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Message no. 1
From: The Deb Decker <RJR96326@****.UTULSA.EDU>
Subject: Vehicle Armor
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 13:46:41 GMT
Success on attacking don't affect the way armor works for vehicles. Lower
the damage level by one (an AK burst goes from Serious to Moderate) and
subtract the armor rating from the attack's power level. Then resist with
Body + Armor in dice.

Example
Fire an 8M burst-capable weapon at a vehicle with Body 3 and Armor 5.
(firing a burst) You do 11S damage, lowered to 11M, then -5 for
armor=6M. The vehicle now resists a 6M attack with (3+5) 8 dice.


J Roberson
Message no. 2
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Vehicle Armor
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 15:06:02 EDT
>>>>> "JR" == RJR96326 <RJR96326@****.utulsa.edu> writes:

JR> Fire an 8M burst-capable weapon at a vehicle with Body 3 and Armor
JR> 5. (firing a burst) You do 11S damage, lowered to 11M, then -5 for
JR> armor=6M. The vehicle now resists a 6M attack with (3+5) 8 dice.

As I have pointed out, you compare the *base* Power of the weapon against
the barrier rating. An 8(whatever) or lower Power weapon will bounce off of
a vehicle with Body 3/Armor 5, regardless of how many rounds you bounce off
of it.

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Message no. 3
From: The Powerhouse <P.C.Steele@*********.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Vehicle Armor
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 20:11:26 GMT
>
> Success on attacking don't affect the way armor works for vehicles. Lower
> the damage level by one (an AK burst goes from Serious to Moderate) and
> subtract the armor rating from the attack's power level. Then resist with
> Body + Armor in dice.
>
> Example
> Fire an 8M burst-capable weapon at a vehicle with Body 3 and Armor 5.
> (firing a burst) You do 11S damage, lowered to 11M, then -5 for
> armor=6M. The vehicle now resists a 6M attack with (3+5) 8 dice.

Although techincally correct this example misses out 1 point. You should
really subtract the armour value from the inital 8M as this is the 'true'
power of the bullets hitting the car. If this value goes to 0 then the bullets
bounce off a car. (Btw this rule is found in the errata)

Ie a car with 9 points of armour and body 5 is attacked by an 8M burst.
9 - 8 = -1, no damage, bullets bounce off. With Jeremy's system you get
11 - 8 = 3, the car still has to resist a 3M burst.

Phill.
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Message no. 4
From: The Deb Decker <RJR96326@****.UTULSA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Vehicle Armor
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 20:44:12 GMT
>As I have pointed out, you compare the *base* Power of the weapon against
>the barrier rating. An 8(whatever) or lower Power weapon will bounce off of
>a vehicle with Body 3/Armor 5, regardless of how many rounds you bounce off
>of it.

Is it compared vs Armor or Armor+Body? I thought it was just the latter (in
which case it would penetrate).

J Roberson
Message no. 5
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Vehicle Armor
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 22:09:45 EDT
>>>>> "R" == RJR96326 <RJR96326@****.utulsa.edu> writes:

>> As I have pointed out, you compare the *base* Power of the weapon
>> against the barrier rating. An 8(whatever) or lower Power weapon will
>> bounce off of a vehicle with Body 3/Armor 5, regardless of how many
>> rounds you bounce off of it.

R> Is it compared vs Armor or Armor+Body? I thought it was just the latter
R> (in which case it would penetrate).

Feh! I mucked up a bit (must have confused something in 1st edition,
probably). Here's the correct answer, according to the big book (2nd
edition) + errata:

When attacking a vehicle with *no* armor: reduce the damage code of the
attack by one level (D=>S, S=>M, M=>L, L weapons can't damage vehicles).
The vehicle's Body rating is treated like normal armor (not a barrier!),
reducing the Power of the attack by it's Body rating. A Body test is then
made against this T#. Example: an 8M pistol against a normal car with a
4 Body would make a Body test with 4 dice against a modified attack of 4L.

When attacking a vehicle with armor: armor acts as a Barrier Rating. If the
base Power of the attack (unmodified for burst or autofire) is less than or
equal to the armor of the vehicle, the attack will not penetrate. If the
attack does penetrate, reduce the Power of the attack by the Armor Rating
plus Body Rating, and reduce the Damage code by one level, as above. The
vehicle then makes a Body test rolling it's Body dice plus 1/2 it's Armor
Rating equal to the reduced Power of the attack. Example: the same 8M
handgun against the same car with a bit of light armor (2 Armor, 4
Body). The attack is reduced to 2L, and the vehicle rolls 5 dice (4 for
Body, 1 for 1/2 it's Armor) against a T# 2L.

Finally, weapons that are designed to attack vehicles do *not* have their
damage code reduced, though their Power is reduced by vehicle armor or Body
rating.

Rat <ratinox@***.neu.edu> Northeastern's Stainless Steel Rat
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Message no. 6
From: Nightfox <DJWA@******.UCC.NAU.EDU>
Subject: Vehicle armor
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 14:04:19 -0700
Ok -
against vehicle armor you 1/2 power -l wound on APDS
when hitting the vehicle


Do you 1/2 the vehicle armor when trying to hit a person?


Vehicle is big - bullets don't do it much damage and just fly into it,
especially if they are APDS.

But the same bullets that are too small to really hurt a vehicle real do
damage to a person.

Dan
Message no. 7
From: "Jason Carter, Nightstalker" <CARTER@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Vehicle armor
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 16:34:15 -0700
Dan asked:

>>Do you 1/2 the vehicle armor when trying to hit a person?

If your trying to hit a person inside a vehicle, yes, you do half the armor
protection given by the vehicle.

See Ya in Shadows, "I can count the number of days I've worked
Jason J Carter since graduation on one hand." - ME!
The Nightstalker Carter@***.EDU

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