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Message no. 1
From: honken101@********.net (Fredrik Holmqvist)
Subject: Vehicles and Elementals?
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 11:55:13 +0200
Here is another of my questions, well actually it's close to 2 questions.

I had my rigger's Doberman run in with a fire elemental, and I am a little
confused on how to handle the elemental attack, if possible, on the drone.

I would also like to know how you do handle drone/Vehicle movement when you
are playing in CTs? And if it would be possible for the elemental to do a
engulf attack on that second of passing by?

/Honken
Message no. 2
From: maxnoel_fr@*****.fr (Max Noel)
Subject: Vehicles and Elementals?
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 12:38:17 +0200
Le 22 mai 2004, à 11:55, Fredrik Holmqvist a écrit :

> Here is another of my questions, well actually it's close to 2
> questions.
>
> I had my rigger's Doberman run in with a fire elemental, and I am a
> little confused on how to handle the elemental attack, if possible, on
> the drone.

As per canon rules, two things would happen in that situation:
1) Since an Engulf attack is basically the elemental materializing
itself around the vehicle, the elemental would take (drone's Speed/10)D
damage (I think immunity to normal weapons would apply there).
2) The drone would take, er... Probably no damage at all. Given the
Doberman's Armor rating of 6 (that's for an off-the-shelf Doberman --
you can raise it even higher), the elemental's Force needs to be 13 or
higher (IIRC Engulf does (Force)S damage, right?).

-- Wild_Cat
maxnoel_fr at yahoo dot fr -- ICQ #85274019
"Look at you hacker... A pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting
and sweating as you run through my corridors... How can you challenge a
perfect, immortal machine?"
Message no. 3
From: honken101@********.net (Fredrik Holmqvist)
Subject: Vehicles and Elementals?
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 14:28:05 +0200
At 12:38 2004-05-22, you wrote:

>Le 22 mai 2004, à 11:55, Fredrik Holmqvist a écrit :
>
>>Here is another of my questions, well actually it's close to 2 questions.
>>
>>I had my rigger's Doberman run in with a fire elemental, and I am a
>>little confused on how to handle the elemental attack, if possible, on
>>the drone.
>
> As per canon rules, two things would happen in that situation:
>1) Since an Engulf attack is basically the elemental materializing itself
>around the vehicle, the elemental would take (drone's Speed/10)D damage (I
>think immunity to normal weapons would apply there).

Well, i did figure the elemental would still have the immunity, but I
wasn't sure if the elemental would get any "collision" damage. And here
comes a follow up question. Would the drone get any "collision" damage, if
not why would the elemental get any?

Canon? You mean Canon Companion?

>2) The drone would take, er... Probably no damage at all. Given the
>Doberman's Armor rating of 6 (that's for an off-the-shelf Doberman -- you
>can raise it even higher), the elemental's Force needs to be 13 or higher
>(IIRC Engulf does (Force)S damage, right?).

What about long term damage from engulf? I mean it's hot inside a
elemental, and a drone would probably get too hot inside and electronics
would burn and ammo would expload.

/Honken
Message no. 4
From: maxnoel_fr@*****.fr (Max Noel)
Subject: Vehicles and Elementals?
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 15:16:47 +0200
>> As per canon rules, two things would happen in that situation:
>> 1) Since an Engulf attack is basically the elemental materializing
>> itself around the vehicle, the elemental would take (drone's
>> Speed/10)D damage (I think immunity to normal weapons would apply
>> there).
>
> Well, i did figure the elemental would still have the immunity, but I
> wasn't sure if the elemental would get any "collision" damage. And
> here comes a follow up question. Would the drone get any "collision"
> damage, if not why would the elemental get any?

According to Rigger 3, creatures with a body lower than 10 (IIRC --
that may be 8 or 6) are treated as vehicles with a body of 1 for damage
calculation purposes. Thus, the drone would indeed take (Drone's
speed/10)L damage. Reduced by its armor, of course. My bad, I'd
forgotten a part of the equation. ^^

> Canon? You mean Canon Companion?

"Canon rules" means "official, unmodified SR3 rules, updated with all
the errata, official FAQ and no house rules".

>> 2) The drone would take, er... Probably no damage at all. Given the
>> Doberman's Armor rating of 6 (that's for an off-the-shelf Doberman --
>> you can raise it even higher), the elemental's Force needs to be 13
>> or higher (IIRC Engulf does (Force)S damage, right?).
>
> What about long term damage from engulf? I mean it's hot inside a
> elemental, and a drone would probably get too hot inside and
> electronics would burn and ammo would expload.

Well, the rules use the fact that engulf causes damage every round to
model this.
Now to properly model the damage, you'd have to guess what temperature
the elemental is exactly. Unfortunately there aren't any rules for
that. One thing you have to remember though, is that Engulf doesn't
outright kill a metahuman. Thus, said temperature probably isn't *that*
high. A metahuman body is very fragile when it comes to resisting fire.

-- Wild_Cat
maxnoel_fr at yahoo dot fr -- ICQ #85274019
"Look at you hacker... A pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting
and sweating as you run through my corridors... How can you challenge a
perfect, immortal machine?"
Message no. 5
From: zebulingod@*******.net (zebulingod)
Subject: Vehicles and Elementals?
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 14:52:34 -0700
Max Noel wrote:
>
> As per canon rules, two things would happen in that situation:
> 1) Since an Engulf attack is basically the elemental
> materializing itself around the vehicle, the elemental would
> take (drone's Speed/10)D damage (I think immunity to normal
> weapons would apply there).
>

Not necessarily. *If* the drone manifested in front of the vehicle and then
rushed to meet it, I would agree. I would also agree if the elemental had
manifested prior to attacking. However, if the elemental
materialised(manifested) around/on the vehicle while it was moving, I'd rule
that, probably, the elemental had had to match speeds and bearings and so
wouldn't be considered as a collision in my game.

Zebulin

"Per Ardua ad Astra"

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