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Message no. 1
From: Vincent Pellerin <Vincent.Pellerin@***.GMC.ULAVAL.CA>
Subject: Vince Questions VI
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 21:59:37 -0400
Well to make the distinction betwen "my questions" and some other ones ;-) i
have slighly changed the subject title...



SRII.155 Chaotic world

Since this is a physical spell is it logical to assume
the effects are visibles to everybody even at the exterior of the
zone. If someone shoot to the inside from the outside is he
considered affected by the spell for his target numbers ?

*Yes
No

SRII.156 Improved invisibility

Can this spell be cast on physical oblect and vehicles ?

*Yes
No

SRII.157 Telekinetic manipulation

The distance moved by an object or people using levitate
spell are done when..

*A)At the casting mage actions
B)At each combat turn (like vehicle combat)

SRII.157 Magic Finger

So, if i am right, you dont need LOS to cast or sustain
this spell ("within is view" meaning direct (astral) or indirect).

*Yes(indirect view suffice)
No (direct view only)

SRII.158 Barrier

Can this spell move after been cast ?

Yes (cast on a moving target maybe ? If so does it have the
strenght to push things or peoples. Can it protect
someone from a fall ?)
No

Can you cast it in the air (no support from the ground)?

Yes
No

Do you need to see the barrier you are creating ?

Yes (that means you cant really form a sphere around yourself,
you cant see in all direction at the same time)
No (this mean the barrier can go beyond walls or that a sphere
can go trough the floor)

SRII.242&258

Is the micro-transceiver used for communication
(sending what it is hearing) ?

Yes (It is a bug)
*No (It only send "beep beep beep beep...")



No, this is not all, the next ones will come from the book we all love :

The Grimoire!!!



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Message no. 2
From: Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Vince Questions VI
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 15:03:26 +0930
Vincent Pellerin wrote:
>
> SRII.155 Chaotic world
>
> Since this is a physical spell is it logical to assume
> the effects are visibles to everybody even at the exterior of the
> zone. If someone shoot to the inside from the outside is he
> considered affected by the spell for his target numbers ?
> *Yes
> No

It's a physical spell, so it has physical manifestations. So yes. Note that
Confusion, the mana variant, does not.

> SRII.156 Improved invisibility
> Can this spell be cast on physical oblect and vehicles ?

I'd say no. However, a variant could be designed which would. For an
example, look at the Vehicle Mask spell from the Grimythingy

> SRII.157 Telekinetic manipulation
>
> The distance moved by an object or people using levitate
> spell are done when..
>
*A)At the casting mage actions

> SRII.157 Magic Finger
>
> So, if i am right, you dont need LOS to cast or sustain
> this spell ("within is view" meaning direct (astral) or indirect).
>
The spell says LOS, right? You need LOS. However, for fine work, you might
want a close up view. You can use cameras, clairvoyance, etc, to achieve
this, as long as you maintain the LOS. (BTW, this is where my belief that
you can use scopes, etc, to help _target_ (but not cast) DMs comes from)

> SRII.158 Barrier
>
> Can this spell move after been cast ?
No
>
> Can you cast it in the air (no support from the ground)?
No
> Do you need to see the barrier you are creating ?
>
No... you have to see the centering spot (most people make it on
themselves,which counts), and visualise the shape of the barrier.

> SRII.242&258
>
> Is the micro-transceiver used for communication
> (sending what it is hearing) ?
>
> Yes (It is a bug)
> *No (It only send "beep beep beep beep...")

It's in the communication section, ain't it? Yes, it can be used as a bug,
though not a good one (too easy to detect).

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Message no. 3
From: Menard Steve <menars@***.UMONTREAL.CA>
Subject: Re: Vince Questions VI
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 02:12:29 -0400
On Tue, 4 Apr 1995, Robert Watkins wrote:

> > SRII.158 Barrier
> >
> > Can this spell move after been cast ?
> No

To this one I have a question to ask : Is the personal version of
these spells(all the barriers varianst) mobile? Or do you have to stay in=

place? I'd say they follow you, else you're gonna be encased in your own
spell!

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Message no. 4
From: Jani Fikouras <feanor@**********.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: Vince Questions VI
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 16:43:05 +0200
> SRII.155 Chaotic world
>
> Since this is a physical spell is it logical to assume
> the effects are visibles to everybody even at the exterior of the
> zone. If someone shoot to the inside from the outside is he
> considered affected by the spell for his target numbers ?
>
> *Yes
> No

No, Its not the physical effects that do the confusing, but the magical
influence.

> SRII.156 Improved invisibility
>
> Can this spell be cast on physical oblect and vehicles ?
>
> *Yes
> No

I'd say no, but on second thought I'll look it up and come back to you.

> SRII.157 Telekinetic manipulation
>
> The distance moved by an object or people using levitate
> spell are done when..
>
> *A)At the casting mage actions
> B)At each combat turn (like vehicle combat)

Definitely B - instead of thinking to walk forward you think to fly
forward, thats all.

> SRII.158 Barrier
>
> Can this spell move after been cast ?
>
> Yes (cast on a moving target maybe ? If so does it have the
> strenght to push things or peoples. Can it protect
> someone from a fall ?)
> No

I think yes - but am not sure.

> Can you cast it in the air (no support from the ground)?
>
> Yes
> No

Certainly

> Do you need to see the barrier you are creating ?
>
> Yes (that means you cant really form a sphere around yourself,
> you cant see in all direction at the same time)
> No (this mean the barrier can go beyond walls or that a sphere
> can go trough the floor)

The spell specifically states that you can build a sphere - and besides
the wall is invisible, you cant see it anyway.

> SRII.242&258
>
> Is the micro-transceiver used for communication
> (sending what it is hearing) ?
>
> Yes (It is a bug)
> *No (It only send "beep beep beep beep...")

Yep.

> No, this is not all, the next ones will come from the book we all love :
>
> The Grimoire!!!

Cool :)

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Message no. 5
From: P Ward <P.Ward@**.CF.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Vince Questions VI
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 15:55:04 BST
Vince Asked -

> Do you need to see the barrier you are creating ?
>
> Yes (that means you cant really form a sphere around yourself,
> you cant see in all direction at the same time)
> No (this mean the barrier can go beyond walls or that a sphere
> can go trough the floor)

then Feanor wrote :
> The spell specifically states that you can build a sphere - and besides
> the wall is invisible, you cant see it anyway.

Sure you can see the wall, it imposes a +1 TNo penalty for direct fire at
a target on the inside of the wall doesn't it?

It might not _glow_ or anything, but at the least there's a blur like
a B5 hand-weapon produces when it super-heats (I think) the surrounding air.
I find the glowing barrier to be a real disadvantage, especially in night
fights (shoot the glowing one).

Take a +1 Drain modifer penalty to the spell and learn it without the visible
effects, or even beter learn the personal version so your own bullets can
fire out of it!


Phil (Runs-With-The-Pack)


BTW, does anyone know why so many mages in SR pictures arte levitating and
just asking to be shot?

My group decided that one of the guy's on the grounds was the mage and had
levitated Private Bob for a joke, or so that bob could drwa fire (gee sir,
why does brother bob always get to be the decoy???).
Message no. 6
From: Damion Milliken <adm82@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Vince Questions VI
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 18:24:40 +1000
Vincent Pellerin writes:

> SRII.155 Chaotic world
>
> Since this is a physical spell is it logical to assume
> the effects are visibles to everybody even at the exterior of the
> zone. If someone shoot to the inside from the outside is he
> considered affected by the spell for his target numbers ?

It creates a physical effect, so those looking in can indeed see it, but I
don't think they'd be affected nearly as badly as those inside (since in the
description it says there are more effects than just light tricks invloved).
I'd probably give either a straight +1 modifier for changing lighting
condidions, or +1 per three successes the caster rolled.

> SRII.156 Improved invisibility
>
> Can this spell be cast on physical oblect and vehicles ?

It says in the description that "...the invisible person or thing...", so
yes, you can cast it on inanimate objects.

> SRII.157 Telekinetic manipulation
>
> The distance moved by an object or people using levitate
> spell are done when..

At the sustaining magicians actions. It mentions that the distance is moved
in an entire action phase, so the movement must occur during the combat
turn, not at the start like vehicle movement.

> SRII.157 Magic Finger
>
> So, if i am right, you dont need LOS to cast or sustain
> this spell ("within is view" meaning direct (astral) or indirect).

It specifically says that the spell must remain in view of the caster, but
that he may use other means of enhancement to get a closer, more detalied
view.

> SRII.158 Barrier
>
> Can this spell move after been cast ?

It doesn't actually say, but I'd would (and do) rule that once cast, that's
where it is. Like a wall, you can't move it.

> Yes (cast on a moving target maybe ? If so does it have the
> strenght to push things or peoples. Can it protect
> someone from a fall ?)

You don't cast a Barrier spell on a target. You cast it at a location. If
someone is at that particular location at the time you try to cast it, well
then... (We discussed that point a while ago, and more or less decided that
the barier had a temporary "gap" where they were, which closed after they
moved out of it.)

> Can you cast it in the air (no support from the ground)?

As far as I can tell yes, although it doesn't say so (but I have assumed
this all along).

> Do you need to see the barrier you are creating ?

This is a kind of tricky one. Like someone else said, probably yes,
otherwise you couldn't create a dome around you. However, if you were to
say, cast a barrier spell across the doors of an elevator (a good idea if
you expect to get shot at when the doors open for example), then whether
there is a 12m barrier extending left an right through the walls I don't
know. Based on the above reasoning, I'd have to say yes, there was.

> Is the micro-transceiver used for communication
> (sending what it is hearing) ?

Based on the relative concealabilities of the micro-camcorder (8),
micro-recorder (9) and micro-transceiver (18), I'd have to say that the
micro-transceiver is bloody small. Hence it couldn't contain many
electronics/speakers/etc at all, so I'd say it is only a homing device (ie,
sends out a continuous, or intermittent signal to show its curent location,
which can be picked up by a detector of some kind). OTOH, since it is in the
communications section, and there is already a thing called "Tracking
Signal" in the surveilance section, then perhaps what it is is a detect only
radio or similar device, in that it can only receive information, and not
send it.

--------------------
Menard Steve writes:

> To this one I have a question to ask : Is the personal version of these
> spells(all the barriers varianst) mobile? Or do you have to stay in place?
> I'd say they follow you, else you're gonna be encased in your own spell!

An excerpt from my file of questions:

Personal Barrier Spells

Where does the barrier actually exists? Is it:
(pg 158 SRII, 123 Grimything)

i) The same as a normal barrier spell, only centered on the
caster?
ii) The same as a normal barrier spell, only it provides
protection for the caster only (ie, it can, like a
regular barrier, be cast anywhere, but, if it were a
Bullet Barrier spell, then only bullets headed for the
caster would be stopped)?
iii) Both (i) & (ii)?
iv) A "skin-tight" barrier?

The answer eludes me, but I'd rule (i) based on the definition of a personal
spell as "something which is targeted on yourself", which in the case of a
personal barrier spell would mean you centered it on yourself. But then, it
gets complex when you want to make it a wall... In which case I would have
to change my mind and say (ii). But, once I (eventually) send my questions to
FASA, then I'll tell you. Actually, when Vince's questions get back, and he
posts them (I hope you will Vince), many of my questions may be already
answered, so hey, that's good.

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