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Message no. 1
From: Adam J adamj@*********.html.com
Subject: Fwd: Voice from the list's past
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 12:50:34 -0600
Just got this from someone who reads the list logs occasionally, but
doesn't have time to follow the list. His email address, if you want to
forward comments to him, is darkstranger@*******.net

>The initial impression regarding SR3, New Seattle, MitS, SR Companion,
>Corporate Download, Cannon Companion and Man & Machine is indeed, oh god,
>FASA's trying to connive me out of my hard-earned dollar by issuing mere
>retreads. Put a new cover on it, say it's for Third Edition, and they'll
>bilk money out of people like us.
>
>But the reality does not match the initial impression.
>
>SR3 includes far more material than either SR1 or SR2. Many of the rules
>that needed to be changed were. Unlike other publishers who issue new
>editions merely with new artwork, this book clearly is different from its
>predecessors.
>
>New Seattle was perhaps a bit disappointing for those expecting something
>like the old Seattle, chock full of specific locations and the like. But it
>is still very good, as it updates Seattle up to 2060 and makes the requisite
>historical changes. Now we know who won the Yakuza and the Mafia internal
>power struggles, among other things.
>
>SR Companion. I'll admit, I didn't purchase this one, but I did come into
>ownership of one. Of all the "retreads" this is the one that probably most
>closely fits the term. Given I wasn't a fan of the original, it should come
>as no surprise I'm not a big fan of this one either; I personally will never
>allow a Ghoul to be a PC in my game.
>
>Magic in the Shadows, just as with SR3, I had the pleasure to playtest. Not
>only are rules cleared up and cleaned up, there are lots of new goodies. It
>is much more than the sum of it's previously published parts. I'm not sure
>yet how the published version differs from the playtest version, but even
>that version made a number of desperately needed changes and additions.
>
>Corporate Download. This book bears little resemblance to the Corporate
>Shadowfiles. Don't ask me how, don't ask me for a copy (No way I'll risk my
>relationship with FASA just to send anyone of you a copy, so DON'T even
>bother), but I have seen a draft version of the entire book (which will
>likely differ from the published version). And I am very impressed. A very
>useful book, far more useful than Corporate Shadowfiles, far more
>immediately useful. Not to mention there is detailed information on the new
>members of the Corporate Court, something obviously missing from
>Shadowfiles. After MitS, this is the next "must-have" book for SR. Bank on
>it.
>
>Cannon Companion and Man & Machine will include all the old materials (at
>least the ones that didn't suck that is). Which is nice, because guns for
>example are scattered in Street Samurai Catalog, Neo-A's Guide to Real Life,
>Fields of Fire and pop up in various other adventures and sourcebooks, such
>as Lone Star. Above and beyond all that, Mike Mulvihill has publicly stated
>that those books will not be mere retreads, they will have new "toys" and
>rules, such as a Rigger 2-style build-your-own-gun template.
>
>Beyond that there are some other exciting projects, the mere beginning of
>which is the Year of the Comet, which will be 100% new.
>
>In other words, even if you own the books that are being replaced, there
>still is very good reason to purchase nearly all of them. As I said with
>MitS, nearly all of these books are far more than the sum of their
>previously published parts and the new materials.
>
>And as I think Tinner said, nobody is forcing you (or anyone else for that
>matter) to buy any of these books.
>
>Regards,
>
>Erik Jameson

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Message no. 2
From: Penta cpenta@*****.com
Subject: Fwd: Voice from the list's past
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 17:12:56 -0700
<snip Adam's stuff>
Didn't quote cuz it's hardly relevant, but...does Corp Download include the
KICKASS material that could almost be used as a Macroeconomics text (Like, how
the corps do business, the financial stuff, etc)?

JP
Message no. 3
From: Schizi@***.com Schizi@***.com
Subject: Voice from the list's past
Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 20:18:59 EDT
In a message dated 5/7/99 5:27:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cpenta@*****.com
writes:

> Didn't quote cuz it's hardly relevant, but...does Corp Download include the
> KICKASS material that could almost be used as a Macroeconomics text (Like,
> how
> the corps do business, the financial stuff, etc)?

no, from what Steve has said, it is an in detail book on the big megas, as
well as subsidiaries. Description was "you know those color pages in the
book, blow thme up into a true sourcebook" or thereabouts
Message no. 4
From: MC23 mc23@**********.com
Subject: Fwd: Voice from the list's past
Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 21:50:24 -0400
Once upon a time, Adam J wrote;
>
>Just got this from someone who reads the list logs occasionally, but
>doesn't have time to follow the list. His email address, if you want to
>forward comments to him, is darkstranger@*******.net

I wanted to thank Erik for putting things in proper perspective. I,
of course, wouldn't have been so nice about it, so I'm glad he beat me to
it.

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the Truth, the partial Truth, or something like the Truth.

I am MC23

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