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Message no. 1
From: Fixer <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Weapon Disguise skill
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:34:11 -0400
Does anyone have a good set of house rules for disguising weapons?
The historical shotgun-cane is one example. Another would be (oh) a
minigun in a guitar case. Or a sword in a walking stick.. Are there any
tried-and-true rules sets that cover these options?

Fixer --------------} The easy I do before breakfast,
the difficult I do all day long,
the impossible only during the week,
and miracles performed on an as-needed basis....

Now tell me, what was your problem?
Message no. 2
From: rook <rook@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Weapon Disguise skill
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:40:06 -0700
Fixer wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a good set of house rules for disguising weapons?
> The historical shotgun-cane is one example. Another would be (oh) a
> minigun in a guitar case. Or a sword in a walking stick.. Are there
> any tried-and-true rules sets that cover these options?

I don't think it needs a ruleset so much as a target number for shoving
the gun into the violin case.

The other examples are uses of the Build/Repair skill.

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Message no. 3
From: Sean McCrohan <mccrohan@*****.OIT.GATECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Weapon Disguise skill
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:53:51 -0400
Fixer wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a good set of house rules for disguising weapons?
> The historical shotgun-cane is one example. Another would be (oh) a
> minigun in a guitar case. Or a sword in a walking stick.. Are there
> any tried-and-true rules sets that cover these options?

The pistol-mace was always one of my personal favorites, with the
pistol-daggers a close second.

--Sean

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Message no. 4
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Weapon Disguise skill
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:01:13 -0600
For the mere cost of a Thaum, Sean McCrohan wrote:
/
/ Fixer wrote:
/ >
/ > The historical shotgun-cane is one example. Another would be (oh) a
/ > minigun in a guitar case. Or a sword in a walking stick..
/
/ The pistol-mace was always one of my personal favorites, with the
/ pistol-daggers a close second.

The camera that shoots daggers/darts.

The attache case SMG in "Ghost in the Shell" were pretty awesome.

You could also go the Transformer route. "This? It's a blender. I
use it to make my vitamin shakes." Later on, "Watch what happens when
I hit the "frappe" button." <click, whir, kchunk> "Walla, it's
an
assault rifle. Time to whip some ass." :)

As for rules, I'd just use Firearms B/R and wing it on the target
number and base time based on what the character want's to do.

-David
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Message no. 5
From: "Frank Pelletier (Trinity)" <fpelletier@******.USHERB.CA>
Subject: Re: Weapon Disguise skill
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:38:27 -0400
David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG> once wrote,

>The attache case SMG in "Ghost in the Shell" were pretty awesome.


I think that's already covered in one of the (excellent) Plastic Warriors
netbooks, dunno which one, but I saw it in there. It's an awesome weapon,
and besides, it looks so damn cool.. :)

(BTW, is another PW book on the way? Or is the line on permanent hiatus?
Gurth?)

>You could also go the Transformer route. "This? It's a blender. I
>use it to make my vitamin shakes." Later on, "Watch what happens when
>I hit the "frappe" button." <click, whir, kchunk> "Walla,
it's an
>assault rifle. Time to whip some ass." :)

Huh... considering the immense ammount of miniaturisation that would be
involved, I wouldn't consider it. Remember, your blender (or whatever) has
to turn into something that can resist the stress of firing several bullets,
and switch back intact. Too many chances to fail, IMHO. (Besides, we all
know it's a "I want Megatron" complex you got, David ;-) )

Trinity
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Message no. 6
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Weapon Disguise skill
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:08:31 -0600
For the mere cost of a Thaum, Frank Pelletier wrote:
/
/ David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG> once wrote,
/
/ >You could also go the Transformer route. "This? It's a blender. I
/ >use it to make my vitamin shakes." Later on, "Watch what happens when
/ >I hit the "frappe" button." <click, whir, kchunk> "Walla,
it's an
/ >assault rifle. Time to whip some ass." :)
/
/ Huh... considering the immense ammount of miniaturisation that would be
/ involved, I wouldn't consider it. Remember, your blender (or whatever) has
/ to turn into something that can resist the stress of firing several bullets,
/ and switch back intact. Too many chances to fail, IMHO. (Besides, we all
/ know it's a "I want Megatron" complex you got, David ;-) )

Hey, if Megatron can transform into a hand held gun, then I can
transform a blender into an assault rifle ;)

That was just an example. But you might be able to make something that
looks like a VCR on a tripod that transforms into a sniper rifle.

..I just thought of another way to disguise a weapon, as a toy. Who's
going to take a neon purple/green super-soaker looking toy seriously?
(Until it start's spitting out 12 gauge slugs that is :)

-David
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Message no. 7
From: Steadfast <laughingman@*******.DE>
Subject: Re: Weapon Disguise skill
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 02:12:03 +0200
And so it came to happen that David Buehrer wrote in reply to Frank
Pelletier :

----------
<snip>
> ..I just thought of another way to disguise a weapon, as a toy. Who's
> going to take a neon purple/green super-soaker looking toy seriously?
> (Until it start's spitting out 12 gauge slugs that is :)

Someone who is extremly paranoid of Ares Super Squirts par example?

But what with the good old one shot in the Stick out of the Neo Anarchist
Guide to North America? Or, to get fictional, simply a gun build into a
pocket comp? Would be a hold out of course, although I _do not_ like the
Damage code for a hold out in SR (but thats a different story).
Rules for those could be, as stated earlier based on the Weapons B/R Skill
with either Electronics, Mechanic, Psitol, Rifle (etc), Craft or Stealth
[(Hide) for the quick stash of a gun inside a Hardcopybook] as
Complimentary as apropriate.

T# : -Weapon fits inside Component completly ___________________________4
-Weapon needs to be slighlty modified to fit inside Component (aka
the
magazine needs to be refittet, the butt needs to be removed etc.)
_______6
-Weapons needs to be moderate modified to fit inside Compartment
(aka the
Barrel needs be shortened, a Springaction needs to be engeneered
for the Blade to spring into action)
_______________________________________8
-Weapons needs to be heavenly modified to fit inside Compartement
(aka just the Barrel and the Chamber
plus firingmechanism, a blade that unfolds on
demand etc.) ________________________________________________10+

Apply the normal modifiers for using B/R skills as stated in SR3rd., page
95, BUILD/REPAIR TABLE

Well these aint house rules, but they just spring into my mind. Fire at
will.
:o)

--->Steadfast
to be "human" is not a state of living
I want to achieve.
Message no. 8
From: westln@***.EDU
Subject: Re: Weapon Disguise skill
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:06:04 -0400
Funny this topic should come. One of our mages is thinking about trying the
following. Place pistol in a grinder. Grind it up into to dust. Be very
carefull not to cause anything to combust. He puts it all in a bag. When he
needs a gun he casts fix on the bag of ground parts. Yes he has a high
target number for dealing with a high tech iteam. But after a couple of
tries he will succeed.

-
Lorden
Message no. 9
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Weapon Disguise skill
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:36:05 +0200
According to Frank Pelletier (Trinity), at 15:38 on 13 Oct 98, the word on the street
was...

> >The attache case SMG in "Ghost in the Shell" were pretty awesome.
>
> I think that's already covered in one of the (excellent) Plastic Warriors
> netbooks, dunno which one, but I saw it in there. It's an awesome weapon,
> and besides, it looks so damn cool.. :)

Do you mean the suitcases you can stick a weapon into? Yeah, that might be
more or less what people are looking for.

> (BTW, is another PW book on the way? Or is the line on permanent hiatus?
> Gurth?)

I'm busy doing too many things ATM, but I do plan on bringing out some new
stuff somewhere down the line. Most of it isn't close to being finished,
though.

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Message no. 10
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Weapon Disguise skill
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:36:05 +0200
According to westln@***.EDU, at 23:06 on 13 Oct 98, the word on the street was...

> Funny this topic should come. One of our mages is thinking about trying the
> following. Place pistol in a grinder. Grind it up into to dust.

That had better be a _very_ tough grinder... Firearms tend to be made of
rather strong materials.

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Message no. 11
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Weapon Disguise skill
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:36:05 +0200
According to David Buehrer, at 14:08 on 13 Oct 98, the word on the street was...

> ..I just thought of another way to disguise a weapon, as a toy. Who's
> going to take a neon purple/green super-soaker looking toy seriously?
> (Until it start's spitting out 12 gauge slugs that is :)

You don't even need to disguise it as a super soaker -- all you'd have to
do is paint it to look like a real-looking toy gun (I don't know about the
US, but here toy guns tend to look like RL weapons but in bright colors so
nobody will mistake them for a real weapon). If you really want to make it
look like a toy, get a small plastic cap and make a little hole in the
middle, then stick it in the muzzle; I think it should be simply blown out
by the first shot you fire without causing harm to you or the gun.

Just don't let anyone else handle the "toy" gun, though, its weight might
give away the disguise :)

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-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html <-
-> The New Character Mortuary: http://www.electricferret.com/mortuary/ <-

GC3.1: GAT/! d-(dpu) s:- !a>? C+(++)@ U P L E? W(++) N o? K- w+ O V? PS+
PE Y PGP- t(+) 5++ X++ R+++>$ tv+(++) b++@ DI? D+ G(++) e h! !r(---) y?
Incubated into the First Church of the Sqooshy Ball, 21-05-1998
Message no. 12
From: Mongoose <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: Weapon Disguise skill
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:03:05 -0700
:Funny this topic should come. One of our mages is thinking about trying
the
:following. Place pistol in a grinder. Grind it up into to dust. Be very
:carefull not to cause anything to combust. He puts it all in a bag. When
he
:needs a gun he casts fix on the bag of ground parts. Yes he has a high
:target number for dealing with a high tech iteam. But after a couple of
:tries he will succeed.


Whats to "fix"? He's got a perfectly functional bag of iron filings-
he made them himself! :-)
Point being, at the point, you don't have a broken gun, so the spell
won't work. Otherwise "fix" will turn somebody's aluminum body car back
into pop cans.

Mongoose
Message no. 13
From: Michael vanHulst <Schizi@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Weapon Disguise skill
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:00:22 EDT
In a message dated 10/14/98 9:54:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
evamarie@**********.net writes:

> Point being, at the point, you don't have a broken gun, so the spell
> won't work. Otherwise "fix" will turn somebody's aluminum body car back
> into pop cans.
>
or how about your aluminum cans back into a new car? :o)
Message no. 14
From: rabiola <rabiola@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Weapon Disguise skill
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 03:52:46 -0500
>I'm busy doing too many things ATM, but I do plan on bringing out some
new
>stuff somewhere down the line. Most of it isn't close to being
finished,
>though.

Would one of those include a conversion of Chromebook 4?

Tony Rabiola rabiola@**.netcom.com
Fourth and Sixth World Adept
Still working on the Fifth...
Proud owner of #972
Message no. 15
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Weapon Disguise skill
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 11:31:03 +0200
According to rabiola, at 3:52 on 22 Oct 98, the word on the street was...

> >I'm busy doing too many things ATM, but I do plan on bringing out some
> new
> >stuff somewhere down the line. Most of it isn't close to being
> finished,
> >though.

I _think_ I wrote the above, didn't I?

> Would one of those include a conversion of Chromebook 4?

Assuming it was me you're quoting, yes, among the things I've been doing
is updating the Chromebook Conversions, and adding CB4 to them. The main
area I've been working on is converting the software to VR 2.0/SR3 rules,
which is a bit tricky, especially because I don't use the Matrix a lot
myself.

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PE Y PGP- t(+) 5++ X++ R+++>$ tv+(++) b++@ DI? D+ G(++) e h! !r(---) y?
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Message no. 16
From: rabiola <rabiola@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Weapon Disguise skill
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:46:35 -0600
> >I'm busy doing too many things ATM, but I do plan on bringing out
some
> new
> >stuff somewhere down the line. Most of it isn't close to being
> finished,
> >though.

>I _think_ I wrote the above, didn't I?

Was pretty certain you were the one I quoted on that one...(grin)


> Would one of those include a conversion of Chromebook 4?

>Assuming it was me you're quoting, yes, among the things I've been
doing
>is updating the Chromebook Conversions, and adding CB4 to them. The
main
>area I've been working on is converting the software to VR 2.0/SR3
rules,
>which is a bit tricky, especially because I don't use the Matrix a lot
>myself.

Cool beans. Be waiting for it.

Tony Rabiola rabiola@**.netcom.com
Fourth and Sixth World Adept
Still working on the Fifth...
Proud owner of #972

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