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Message no. 1
From: Stephen Wilcoxon <wilcoxon@***.UDEL.EDU>
Subject: weapons, etc...
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 18:30:02 EST
With all this talk of weapons, has anyone else gotten More Guns from BTRC
yet? Very good sourcebook for weapons for any genre or period of game.
The big problem with Shadowrun is that weapon damages were pretty much what
"looked right" and not based on a coherent system, so converting More Guns
to Shadowrun could be a problem - as I see it you have two options: keep
following FASA's what looks right method, or redo most of the weapons based
on 3G3's (Guns, Guns, Guns!) system or a similar one...
One surprising fact that I ran across while reading More Guns - the Barret
82-A1 is a civilian rifle and is not restricted (although the authorities
would probably want to know what you wanted with a .50cal "sporting"
rifle)...


Twilight

The Crystal Wind is the Storm, and the Storm is Data, and the Data is Life.
-- The Player's Litany
Message no. 2
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: weapons, etc...
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 18:20:53 -0600
On Tue, 21 Dec 1993, Stephen Wilcoxon wrote:

> One surprising fact that I ran across while reading More Guns - the Barret
> 82-A1 is a civilian rifle and is not restricted (although the authorities
> would probably want to know what you wanted with a .50cal "sporting"
> rifle)...

Dragon Hunting.

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Message no. 3
From: Richard Pieri <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: weapons, etc...
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 19:55:14 -0500
On Tue, 21 Dec 1993, Stephen Wilcoxon wrote:

> One surprising fact that I ran across while reading More Guns - the
> Barret 82-A1 is a civilian rifle

The Barret-80 is the military sniper rifle, the Barret-82 is a civilian
model. They are both .50 caliber, but they do /not/ use the same
ammunition. The 82 uses the same ammunition as the M61 (I think) .50
caliber machine gun; the 80 uses a /significantly/ larger cartridge which
delivers more power.

> and is not restricted

Excuse me? What planet are you from? There /are/ federal, state, and/or
local restrictions on owning firearms in most areas, if you hadn't noticed.

> (although the authorities would probably want to know what you wanted
> with a .50cal "sporting" rifle)...

Two reasons: bear and moose.
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Message no. 4
From: The Deb Decker <RJR96326@****.UTULSA.EDU>
Subject: Re: weapons, etc...
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 19:37:49 -0600
> One surprising fact that I ran across while reading More Guns - the Barret
> 82-A1 is a civilian rifle and is not restricted (although the authorities
> would probably want to know what you wanted with a .50cal "sporting"
> rifle)...

You'd be surprised at what's legal vs what's deadly. A lot of these mental
cas gun fiends are armed with "nothing more" than semiautomatic pistols,
the kind that most Shadowrunners only carry when they can't bring along their
SMGs. . .


J Roberson
Message no. 5
From: "Stephen R. Wilcoxon" <wilcoxon@****.EDU>
Subject: Re: weapons, etc...
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1993 00:22:19 -0500
> On Tue, 21 Dec 1993, Stephen Wilcoxon wrote:
> > One surprising fact that I ran across while reading More Guns - the
> > Barret 82-A1 is a civilian rifle
>
> The Barret-80 is the military sniper rifle, the Barret-82 is a civilian
> model. They are both .50 caliber, but they do /not/ use the same
> ammunition. The 82 uses the same ammunition as the M61 (I think) .50
> caliber machine gun; the 80 uses a /significantly/ larger cartridge which
> delivers more power.

Yeah, I know. I think we already had that discussion a while back... A
.50cal sniper rifle (yes, it's still pretty much a sniper rifle) firing
standard .50cal ammo still does a hell of a lot of damage... It fires the
same ammo as the M2HB MG (never heard of the M61)...

> > and is not restricted
>
> Excuse me? What planet are you from? There /are/ federal, state, and/or
> local restrictions on owning firearms in most areas, if you hadn't noticed.

By not restricted, I was refering to the fact that by federal law you could
get a Barret 82-A1 if you could get any sort of rifle. There may be state
or local restrictions in some areas that would make it illegal to own. The
manufacturer and the Federal government didn't put any restrictions on it
(unless a law was passed recently banning them)...

> > (although the authorities would probably want to know what you wanted
> > with a .50cal "sporting" rifle)...
>
> Two reasons: bear and moose.

Never been hunting, but .50cal seems awfully big for moose - bear maybe...


Twilight

The Crystal Wind is the Storm, and the Storm is Data, and the Data is Life.
-- The Player's Litany
Message no. 6
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: weapons, etc...
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1993 00:00:46 -0600
On Wed, 22 Dec 1993, Stephen R. Wilcoxon wrote:

> Never been hunting, but .50cal seems awfully big for moose - bear maybe...

Uh, Mooses are big and ornery if you don't drop them right away,
espicially a grumpy bull moose.

Also, don't forget elephants (ye olde elephant gun?).

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