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Message no. 1
From: "David L. Hoff" <DLHOFF@****.WISC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Weapons tech
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 20:22:00 CDT
Couple things:

Concerning the fact that DMSO wont "stick" to the shot from a shotgun round,
why not make the shot from the round out of lots of little plastic pellets
filled with DMSO + <toxin of your choice>? Think of them as miniature
paintball rounds, packed in a shotgun shell. True, you would need a lot of
pellets to contact the target, but same as for the shot.

Now, for my last comment about SR weapons tech. As we have been debating (and
debating, and debating, ad nauseum), weapons tech is way behind armor tech,
and the weapons of SR are similar to the weapons of today. But, there are
several weapons in SR that use needle rounds. (I don't know the names of
them all off hand; some are in NAGRL though if you are looking for examples)
As said in a previous post, if the "shot" from one of these Anti-personnel
rounds was replaced with needle flechettes, I think you would find that there
would be a lot more target hits downrange, as you would have a larger amount
of stuff moving at your target. I think it would work; if you don't, it's your
game. Believe me, I am somewhat sorry that I ever brought up the topic of
40mm anti-personnel rounds.

--David L. Hoff
dlhoff@****.wisc.edu
Message no. 2
From: Lucifer <MFISHER@*****.VINU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Weapons tech
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 11:31:34 EST
David L. Hoff wrote:

> Concerning the fact that DMSO won't "stick" to the shot from a
shotgun round,
> why not make the shot from the round out of lots of little plastic
pellets
> filled with DMSO + <toxin of your choice>? Think of them as
miniature
> paintball rounds, packed in a shotgun shell. True, you would need a
lot of
> pellets to contact the target, but same as for the shot.
>
The answer is no. The gunpowder would obliterate the DMSO filled
plastic pellets. Paintball guns on the other hand...


It's not Death if you refuse it, it is if you accept it.
Lucifer
Prince of Darkness, Eater of Souls

"My dream was past, it had no further change
that the doom of these two creatures should be
thus traced out.
Almost like reality, one to end in madness
both in misery." Byron
Message no. 3
From: "David L. Hoff" <DLHOFF@****.WISC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Weapons tech
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:48:00 CDT
Lucifer wrote:

[stuff about gunpowder destroying plastic DMSO-filled pellets inside a
shotgun shell]

I seem to remember from when my dad used to reload his own shotgun shells that
some sort of plastic buffer goes inside the shotgun shell, between the powder
and the shot. Wouldn't this buffer protect the shot from the powder explosion,
so that it stays intact?

--David L. Hoff
dlhoff@****.wisc.edu
Message no. 4
From: Lucifer <MFISHER@*****.VINU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Weapons tech
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 19:40:07 EST
David L. Hoff wrote:
> Lucifer wrote:
>
> [stuff about gunpowder destroying plastic DMSO-filled pellets inside
a
> shotgun shell]
>
> I seem to remember from when my dad used to reload his own
shotgun shells that
> some sort of plastic buffer goes inside the shotgun shell, between
the powder
> and the shot. Wouldn't this buffer protect the shot from the powder
explosion,
> so that it stays intact?
>
> --David L. Hoff

No. You have to remember that the pellets would be hollow to allow
for the DMSO. The skin would have to be thin enough for "splat on
impact." In order for the pellets to be sturdy enough to withstand the
blast from the gunpowder, they would be too thick skinned to burst on
impact. They would probably just bounce off armor or leave nasty
welts. Remember, DMSO is liquid so the pellets wouldn't be all that
sturdy.





It's not Death if you refuse it, it is if you accept it.
Lucifer
Prince of Darkness, Eater of Souls

"My dream was past, it had no further change
that the doom of these two creatures should be
thus traced out.
Almost like reality, one to end in madness
both in misery." Byron
Message no. 5
From: Paul Finch <pfinch@****.EDU>
Subject: Re: Weapons tech
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 21:40:48 -0700
On Mon, 21 Nov 1994, Lucifer wrote:

> David L. Hoff wrote:
> > paintball rounds, packed in a shotgun shell. True, you would need a
> lot of
> > pellets to contact the target, but same as for the shot.
> >
> The answer is no. The gunpowder would obliterate the DMSO filled
> plastic pellets. Paintball guns on the other hand...

What about a plastic or base metal discarding shot cup like in traditional
shot shells?

Edge

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