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Message no. 1
From: Dust <rogan@*******.BERGEN.ORG>
Subject: Wendigos
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:07:31 -0500
If most wendigos are shamans and nocturnal why don't they all just be owl
shamans?
:) Dust
Message no. 2
From: MC23 <mc23@****.NET>
Subject: Re: Wendigos
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:45:14 -0500
Dust wrote,
>If most wendigos are shamans and nocturnal why don't they all just be owl
>shamans?

Totems choose the shaman and not the other way around. An owl shaman
would have it's advantages though. B>]#




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Message no. 3
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Wendigos
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 17:33:39 EST
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:07:31 -0500 Dust <rogan@*******.BERGEN.ORG>
writes:
>If most wendigos are shamans and nocturnal why don't they all just be
>owl
>shamans?
> :) Dust
>
How scary does owl sound at first? I mean sure, you have the Great Horned
Owl, big (kinda) scary bird:) and the Barn Owl, but most owls aren't that
scary (IMO). Most wendigos are, by nature, toxic or insect shamans. And
that makes them as scary as Hell (in every possible sense of the word).

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Message no. 4
From: Glenn Royer <cyberspunk@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Wendigos
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 23:29:08 -0500
SH>On Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:07:31 -0500 Dust <rogan@*******.BERGEN.ORG>
SH>writes:
SH>>If most wendigos are shamans and nocturnal why don't they all just be
SH>>owl
SH>>shamans?
SH>> :) Dust
SH>>
SH>How scary does owl sound at first? I mean sure, you have the Great Horned
SH>Owl, big (kinda) scary bird:) and the Barn Owl, but most owls aren't that
SH>scary (IMO). Most wendigos are, by nature, toxic or insect shamans. And
SH>that makes them as scary as Hell (in every possible sense of the word).

hey, now, wendigos are people too, just like vampires and
banshees are. (Dzoo-noo-qua.. well, they're a tad too slow.)
I don't think that wendigos are toxic or insect in nature.
Rather, they probably have their own unique brand of magic slightly
different from the rest of the world due to their unique perspective of
the world.
btw whats the HMHVV'd version of a dwarf?
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Message no. 5
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Wendigos
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 03:54:12 -0500
> btw whats the HMHVV'd version of a dwarf?

Paranormal of Europe has an HMHVV II dwarf (goblin) No HMHVV original dwarf
was listed....I believe The entry for the goblin mentioned that it was
believed that dwarves (those hardy buggers) were resistant to the first strain.
Message no. 6
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: Wendigos
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:52:29 +0000
On 21 Jan 97 at 17:33, L Canthros wrote:
[snip Wendigo with Owl totem]
> How scary does owl sound at first? I mean sure, you have the Great Horned
> Owl, big (kinda) scary bird:) and the Barn Owl, but most owls aren't that
> scary (IMO). Most wendigos are, by nature, toxic or insect shamans. And
> that makes them as scary as Hell (in every possible sense of the word).
Hm - never seen an owl IRL, did you? These beasts are _large_, and
without a gun I wouldn't want to be attacked by one. Well, in fact, I
wouldn't even want to _with_ a gun!

And they are hunters for sure.

On the other hand - what do you mean - most Wendigos have insect
totems? What gives you _that_ idea? Toxic I can/might accept, but
insect???

Sascha
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Message no. 7
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Wendigos
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:05:07 +0000
|On the other hand - what do you mean - most Wendigos have insect
|totems? What gives you _that_ idea? Toxic I can/might accept, but
|insect???

Even the Wendigo in "Secrets of Power" was a Wolf shaman....
(Although, he didn't last long against Verners Hearth Spirit....)

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Message no. 8
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Wendigos
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 20:26:12 -0500
>|totems? What gives you _that_ idea? Toxic I can/might accept, but
>|insect???
>Even the Wendigo in "Secrets of Power" was a Wolf shaman....
>(Although, he didn't last long against Verners Hearth Spirit....)

I beleive he followed an unspeicifed "Corruption" Totem. Janice Verner, the
other Wendigo, was Wolf.

She got toasted by the creepy-crawlies.

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Message no. 9
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Wendigos
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 17:24:05 EST
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997 23:29:08 -0500 Glenn Royer <cyberspunk@********.NET>
writes:
<SNIP>

> hey, now, wendigos are people too, just like vampires and
>banshees are. (Dzoo-noo-qua.. well, they're a tad too slow.)
> I don't think that wendigos are toxic or insect in nature.
>Rather, they probably have their own unique brand of magic slightly
>different from the rest of the world due to their unique perspective
>of
>the world.


You're forgetting the fact that wendigos are almost universally evil (in
the description in SRII, I believe). It was also said that thye tended to
be shamans and to follow Insect Totems. I believe it can also be
extrapolated that the remaining few (those that do not follow the Bugs,
but are still evil) follow Toxic totems, based on some comments in
Awakenings.

> btw whats the HMHVV'd version of a dwarf?


That would be a Goblin (PAoE, also includes the Fomorian, another version
of vamped Troll)


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Message no. 10
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Wendigos
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 17:24:05 EST
On Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:52:29 +0000 Sascha Pabst
<Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE> writes:
<snip>
>Hm - never seen an owl IRL, did you? These beasts are _large_, and
>without a gun I wouldn't want to be attacked by one. Well, in fact, I
>wouldn't even want to _with_ a gun!
>

Depends...what type of owl? In the USA, about the only _big_ owls I know
of are the Great Horned (very big bird) and the Barn Owl (almost as big).
Most other types aren't nearly that big, around here, anyway. I don't
really know what the owls look like in the Black Forest (what there is of
it, these days). So, Fringhtening, I'd agree, hunters, yes, but that's
not the side of Owl protrayed in the totem, nor is it the image I first
associate with an owl.

>And they are hunters for sure.

I agree. I wouldn't want to be caught somewhere in the dark with one
bearing down on me, but that's mostly 'cause I don't like large flapping
things making lots of noise attacking from the shadows of night:)

>On the other hand - what do you mean - most Wendigos have insect
>totems? What gives you _that_ idea? Toxic I can/might accept, but
>insect???

I may have misquoted that, but I believe that it stated something close
to that either in the description of the Wendigo or in the chapter on
Totems (both in SRII). I don't have the book, so I can't say for sure
(something tells me I was born with a silver foot in my mouth:(

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Message no. 11
From: "Q (not from Star Trek)" <Scott.E.Meyer@*******.EDU>
Subject: Re: Wendigos
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 17:11:28 -0600
On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, L Canthros wrote:

[snip unrelated stuff]

> I agree. I wouldn't want to be caught somewhere in the dark with one
> bearing down on me, but that's mostly 'cause I don't like large flapping
> things making lots of noise attacking from the shadows of night:)
>

Ummm...hate to nitpick here, but owls don't make noise when they fly. Their
wings are aerodynamically shaped so that they fly completely silently, that's
what makes them such efficient hunters. t night, it's not what you can't see
that's the most dangerous, it's what you can't hear.

Q-the-nitpicker

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Message no. 12
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Wendigos
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:20:51 -0500
Actually the totem the evil Wendigo followed in the Verner books was
Blight.
He was definately toxic.
As far as insect totems go though, it'd be kind of neat to see what happens
when a vampire is used as a host for a mosquito spirit!
Eeewww! :-)

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Message no. 13
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Wendigos
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:55:58 -0500
At 09:20 PM 1/22/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Actually the totem the evil Wendigo followed in the Verner books was
>Blight.
>He was definately toxic.
>As far as insect totems go though, it'd be kind of neat to see what happens
>when a vampire is used as a host for a mosquito spirit!
>Eeewww! :-)
>

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Water with DDT...

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Message no. 14
From: Glenn Royer <cyberspunk@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Wendigos
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 01:25:24 -0500
SH>You're forgetting the fact that wendigos are almost universally evil (in
SH>the description in SRII, I believe). It was also said that thye tended to
SH>be shamans and to follow Insect Totems. I believe it can also be
SH>extrapolated that the remaining few (those that do not follow the Bugs,
SH>but are still evil) follow Toxic totems, based on some comments in
SH>Awakenings.

SH>> btw whats the HMHVV'd version of a dwarf?


SH>That would be a Goblin (PAoE, also includes the Fomorian, another version
SH>of vamped Troll)


SH>Canthros
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Message no. 15
From: Brian Johnson <john0375@****.TC.UMN.EDU>
Subject: Re: Wendigos
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:52:36 -0600
Actually , the totem was BLIGHT.
Message no. 16
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: Wendigos
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 14:34:38 +0000
On 22 Jan 97 at 17:24, L Canthros wrote:
[snip Owls, and totem]
> Depends...what type of owl? In the USA, about the only _big_ owls I know
> of are the Great Horned (very big bird) and the Barn Owl (almost as big).
> Most other types aren't nearly that big, around here, anyway. I don't
> really know what the owls look like in the Black Forest (what there is of
> it, these days).
Do not ask me for names (esp. in English), I am not that interested in
beasts. All my experience is from a visit to a park where they kept
some kinds of owls. As I knew the keeper, we were allowed after dusk
and watched them become active.I _used_ to see owl as another race of
small birds - but not any longer!

> So, Fringhtening, I'd agree, hunters, yes, but that's
> not the side of Owl protrayed in the totem, nor is it the image I first
> associate with an owl.
Yeah, the Athenian Ideal with the owl as keeper of wisdom comes to mind
first, but after some thought... (Hm - maybe I should create a new
shaman character - might bring some surprises to my fellow players :-)

> >And they are hunters for sure.
> I agree. I wouldn't want to be caught somewhere in the dark with one
> bearing down on me, but that's mostly 'cause I don't like large flapping
> things making lots of noise attacking from the shadows of night:)
They make no noise when attacking (well, not that I have seen them
"attack" more then once, so there I don't have statistical correct
numbers :-)

[snip Wendigo being Toxic/Insect shamans]
> I may have misquoted that, but I believe that it stated something close
> to that either in the description of the Wendigo or in the chapter on
> Totems (both in SRII). I don't have the book, so I can't say for sure
p. 123, SRII (Insect Totems) doesn't mention Wendigos (or other
creatures infected with HMHVV)

All the Wendigo description says (SRII, p. 232) is "All known wendigos
have been active shamanic magicians. Though most carried fetishes of
predatory totems such as the shark or wolf, some had items of
unidentified affiliations." This _might_ indicate insect totems

> (something tells me I was born with a silver foot in my mouth:(
Hm - must look interesting! :-)

Sascha
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