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Message no. 1
From: Dust <rogan@*******.BERGEN.ORG>
Subject: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 14:12:24 -0500
What color are monofilament whips? I mean are they neonish like
in Johnny Mneumonic or can they vary or are they something else (like you
can't see them?)
Dust
Message no. 2
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@******.GWEEP.NET>
Subject: Re: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 15:57:52 -0500
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>>>>> "D" == Dust <rogan@*******.bergen.org> writes:

D> What color are monofilament whips?

Monofilament fishing line tends to be translucent white :).

A mono-MOLLECULAR line, on the other hand, is either "shiny" or
"invisible"; it is too thin to see with the naked eye.

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Message no. 3
From: Tim Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 15:47:54 -0800
On Sun, 12 Jan 1997, Dust wrote:

> What color are monofilament whips? I mean are they neonish like
> in Johnny Mneumonic or can they vary or are they something else (like you
> can't see them?)
> Dust
>

What color is a piece of molecule (or there abouts) thick wire?

I imagine that they look pretty much like very, VERY fine thread, and that
you'd only see glints and flashes off of it at certain angles (and of
course the control weight at the end..)

~Tim
Message no. 4
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 23:57:00 +0000
|
| What color are monofilament whips? I mean are they neonish like
|in Johnny Mneumonic or can they vary or are they something else (like you
|can't see them?)

I'd say they're too thin to see, although the wieght at the end could be any
colour you wanted.....
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Message no. 5
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 12:47:37 +0100
Dust said on 14:12/12 Jan 97...

> What color are monofilament whips? I mean are they neonish like
> in Johnny Mneumonic or can they vary or are they something else (like you
> can't see them?)

They're only a few molecules thick, so they'd be largely invisible (which
looks bad on a movie screen, so probably that's why it was neon in JM)
except maybe for light reflecting off it when looked at from the right
angle.

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Message no. 6
From: Glenn Robertson <Glenn.Robertson@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:43:04 -0700
On Sun, 12 Jan 1997, Dust wrote:

> What color are monofilament whips? I mean are they neonish like
> in Johnny Mneumonic or can they vary or are they something else (like you
> can't see them?)
> Dust

Gee <ducking in advance> they would not be in technicolor, but monocolor!

:)
Glenn
Message no. 7
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 10:31:43 -0700
Glenn Robertson wrote:
|
| On Sun, 12 Jan 1997, Dust wrote:
|
| > What color are monofilament whips? I mean are they neonish like
| > in Johnny Mneumonic or can they vary or are they something else (like you
| > can't see them?)
|
| Gee <ducking in advance> they would not be in technicolor, but monocolor!
|
| :)

<he winds up his carp, he throws his carp>

THWAP!

-David

/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\ dbuehrer@****.org /^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\
"Beware Old Ones bearing carps."
~~~http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm~~~~
Message no. 8
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 15:33:54 -0500
At 10:31 AM 1/13/97 -0700, you wrote:

><he winds up his carp, he throws his carp>
>
>THWAP!
>
>-David
>
That's not a thwap... THIS is a THWAP!


th
thwa
thwapth <---1000 YEAR OLD CARP
thwapthwa
thwapthwapth
thwapthwapthwa
thwapthwapthwapt
thwapthwapthwapthw
thwapthwapthwapthwapt
thwapthwapth thwapthw
thwapthwpath wapthwap
thwapthwapthwa wapthwapth
thwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwa
(thwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwap)
thwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapth
thwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthw
thwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthw
apthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapt
ththwpthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwthwap
apthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwap
thwapthwapth thwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwa hwapthwapth
thwapthw thwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthw thwapthwap
thwap thwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthw thwap
thwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapt
thwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwa
thwapthwapthwapthwapthwapth
thwapthwapthwapthwapthwa
thwapthwapthwapthwapth
thwapthwapthwapthwap
thwapthwapthwapth
thwapthwapthwpt
thwapthwapthw
thwapthwapt
thwapthwa
thwapth
thwap
thw
thwap
thwapth
thwapthwap
thwapthwapth
thwapthwapthwap
thwapthwapthwapth
thwapthwapthwapthwa
thwapthwapthwapthwapt
thwapth thwapthw
thwapt thwapth
thwa thwa
thw thw
th th

Bull
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Message no. 9
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 17:04:20 -0500
Actually, the monoline would likely be colorless, but the entire whip
assembly could be any color you want.
My shark shaman currently has a deep sea blue model with glowing neon trim!
:-)

Steven A. Tinner
bluewizard@*****.com
http://www.ncweb.com./users/bluewizard
"Not even God takes this long to get back."
Message no. 10
From: Vael Lashar <ltwiss@********.COM>
Subject: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 22:19:44 +0000
Muave
Message no. 11
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 15:19:38 -0700
Bull wrote:
|
| That's not a thwap... THIS is a THWAP!

Thanks Bull. I lost mine.

-David

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Message no. 12
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 17:43:26 +0000
Vael Lasher wrote:

> Subject: what color are monofilament whips?
> Muave

Actually, the newer models are a nice shade of Fuscia. That is how
you can tell the difference , BTW. :)



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Message no. 13
From: Calvin Hsieh <u2172778@*******.ACSU.UNSW.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 10:59:09 +1100
On Sun, 12 Jan 1997, Spike wrote:

> |
> | What color are monofilament whips? I mean are they neonish like
> |in Johnny Mneumonic or can they vary or are they something else (like you
> |can't see them?)
>
> I'd say they're too thin to see, although the wieght at the end could be any
> colour you wanted.....

Glow in the dark hot pink!

Shaman

_________________________________________________________
In Real Life: Calvin Hsieh
In Neo-Arch Real Life: Shaman

Neurological problems 101:
Kluver-Bucy Syndrome.
Occurs with the bilateral removal of the temporal lobe,
including amygdala.
Symptoms: Overattentiveness, hyperorality, psychic
blindness, hypersexuality, absense of emotional response.
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Message no. 14
From: Calvin Hsieh <u2172778@*******.ACSU.UNSW.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 11:48:10 +1100
On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, Bull wrote:

SNIP
>
> th
> thwa
> thwapth <---1000 YEAR OLD CARP
> thwapthwa
> thwapthwapth
> thwapthwapthwa
> thwapthwapthwapt
> thwapthwapthwapthw
> thwapthwapthwapthwapt
> thwapthwapth thwapthw
> thwapthwpath wapthwap
> thwapthwapthwa wapthwapth
> thwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwa
> (thwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwap)
> thwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapth
> thwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthw
> thwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthw
> apthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapt
> ththwpthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwthwap
> apthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwap
> thwapthwapth thwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwa hwapthwapth
> thwapthw thwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthw thwapthwap
> thwap thwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthw thwap
> thwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwapt
> thwapthwapthwapthwapthwapthwa
> thwapthwapthwapthwapthwapth
> thwapthwapthwapthwapthwa
> thwapthwapthwapthwapth
> thwapthwapthwapthwap
> thwapthwapthwapth
> thwapthwapthwpt
> thwapthwapthw
> thwapthwapt
> thwapthwa
> thwapth
> thwap
> thw
> thwap
> thwapth
> thwapthwap
> thwapthwapth
> thwapthwapthwap
> thwapthwapthwapth
> thwapthwapthwapthwa
> thwapthwapthwapthwapt
> thwapth thwapthw
> thwapt thwapth
> thwa thwa
> thw thw
> th th
>
> Bull

That was cool - how long did it take for you to do this?

Shaman


_________________________________________________________
In Real Life: Calvin Hsieh
In Neo-Arch Real Life: Shaman

Neurological problems 101:
Kluver-Bucy Syndrome.
Occurs with the bilateral removal of the temporal lobe,
including amygdala.
Symptoms: Overattentiveness, hyperorality, psychic
blindness, hypersexuality, absense of emotional response.
_________________________________________________________
Message no. 15
From: Tim Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 17:24:34 -0800
On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, Bull wrote:

> At 10:31 AM 1/13/97 -0700, you wrote:

[snip Bull's cool 1000 yr/old carp]

>
> Bull
> --

I think SOMEONE has WAY TOO much time on their hands...eh?
:)
~Tim
Message no. 16
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 01:24:51 +0000
|
|Muave
|

Actually a lighter shade of pinky russet.....
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Message no. 17
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 20:53:34 -0500
At 05:24 PM 1/13/97 -0800, you wrote:
>On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, Bull wrote:
>
>> At 10:31 AM 1/13/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>[snip Bull's cool 1000 yr/old carp]
>
>>
>> Bull
>> --
>
>I think SOMEONE has WAY TOO much time on their hands...eh?
>:)
>~Tim
>
Why? Because I saved it when it got sent my way?:):):)

Bull-the-thinking-about-borrowing-Gurth's-stairs-for-awhile-Ork-Decker
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-Me, after seeing the new Marvel Comics revamps of
Capt. America and the Hulk.
Message no. 18
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 01:43:23 +0000
<MegaThwap snipped>
|
|That was cool - how long did it take for you to do this?

I lot longer than it would've taken you to snip it....
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Message no. 19
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 12:53:31 +0100
Bull said on 20:53/13 Jan 97...

> Bull-the-thinking-about-borrowing-Gurth's-stairs-for-awhile-Ork-Decker

Not a chance! I wouldn't be able to get upstairs to my computer if you
take them away! Hiding underneath them is fine by me, but borrowing
them...

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Message no. 20
From: Glenn Robertson <Glenn.Robertson@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 08:15:21 -0700
> | > What color are monofilament whips? I mean are they neonish like
> | > in Johnny Mneumonic or can they vary or are they something else (like you
> | > can't see them?)
> |
> | Gee <ducking in advance> they would not be in technicolor, but monocolor!
> |
> | :)
>
> <he winds up his carp, he throws his carp>
>
> THWAP!
>
> -David

KEWL!!! My first EVER carp thwapping!! <beeming with pride> Mayhaps
I shall have to post more often! :)

Glenn
Message no. 21
From: Glenn Robertson <Glenn.Robertson@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 08:26:17 -0700
> [snip Bull's cool 1000 yr/old carp]
>
> >
> > Bull
> > --
>
> I think SOMEONE has WAY TOO much time on their hands...eh?
> :)
> ~Tim
>

Oh sure, the ascii-art challenged ALWAYS say that! :)

Glenn-the-still-in-awe-1000-year-old-carp-thwapped-runner.
Message no. 22
From: Tim Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 12:05:34 -0800
On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, Glenn Robertson wrote:

> > [snip Bull's cool 1000 yr/old carp]> >
> > >
> > > Bull
> > > --
> >
> > I think SOMEONE has WAY TOO much time on their hands...eh?
> > :)
> > ~Tim
> >
>
> Oh sure, the ascii-art challenged ALWAYS say that! :)
>
> Glenn-the-still-in-awe-1000-year-old-carp-thwapped-runner.
>

Hey, just because I prefer to use a REAL palette and brush....

:)
~Tim
Message no. 23
From: Jonathan Wright <jwrigh01@********.CA>
Subject: Re: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:08:15 -0500
On Sun, 12 Jan 1997, Stainless Steel Rat wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> >>>>> "D" == Dust <rogan@*******.bergen.org> writes:
>
> D> What color are monofilament whips?
>
> Monofilament fishing line tends to be translucent white :).
>
> A mono-MOLLECULAR line, on the other hand, is either "shiny" or
> "invisible"; it is too thin to see with the naked eye.

That's sounds right, however a monofilament whip would appear slightly
blueish in colour when being operated, as atmospheric nitrogen is excited
by the cleaving of all the airborne atoms in the filaments path. This
would be very faint, not like the huge neon explosions protrayed in Johnny
Mnemonic.

Jon Wright
"Surf's up space ponies I'm makin' gravy without the lumps!"
-The Evil Midnight Bomber
Message no. 24
From: Tim P Cooper <z-i-m@****.COM>
Subject: Re: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 01:31:09 EST
On Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:08:15 -0500 Jonathan Wright <jwrigh01@********.CA>
>

>That's sounds right, however a monofilament whip would appear slightly
>blueish in colour when being operated, as atmospheric nitrogen is
>excited by the cleaving of all the airborne atoms in the filaments path.
This
>would be very faint, not like the huge neon explosions protrayed in
>Johnny Mnemonic.
>
>Jon Wright

Are you sure about that? I was under the impression that mono-filament
line was a single molecule thick. This would make it on the same order
of magnitude as those airborne atoms, if not larger...

~Tim
Message no. 25
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 13:52:48 +0100
Jonathan Wright said on 23:08/14 Jan 97...

> That's sounds right, however a monofilament whip would appear slightly
> blueish in colour when being operated, as atmospheric nitrogen is excited
> by the cleaving of all the airborne atoms in the filaments path.

I think only Death's scythe does that...

If you're serious, then consider this: how do you cut something with
another object that's a lot thicker? Carbon atoms (IMO carbon is one of
the likely substances a monowhip would contain) are about the same size
as nitrogen atoms. Add a bunch of carbon atoms together in a molecule of
some sort, and you won't be cutting the nitrogen atoms in half in any way.
Even if you could, BTW, you might be doing nuclear fission by just
swinging your monowhip through the air...

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Message no. 26
From: Jonathan Wright <jwrigh01@********.CA>
Subject: Re: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 13:02:46 -0500
On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, Gurth wrote:

> Jonathan Wright said on 23:08/14 Jan 97...
>
> > That's sounds right, however a monofilament whip would appear slightly
> > blueish in colour when being operated, as atmospheric nitrogen is excited
> > by the cleaving of all the airborne atoms in the filaments path.
>
> I think only Death's scythe does that...
>
> If you're serious, then consider this: how do you cut something with
> another object that's a lot thicker? Carbon atoms (IMO carbon is one of
> the likely substances a monowhip would contain) are about the same size
> as nitrogen atoms. Add a bunch of carbon atoms together in a molecule of
> some sort, and you won't be cutting the nitrogen atoms in half in any way.
> Even if you could, BTW, you might be doing nuclear fission by just
> swinging your monowhip through the air...

Sorry wasn't to clear on this the first time through. This time I'll be
more verbose (heh heh).

Yes a monofilament line is approximately seven carbons wide, but there are
many airborne contaminants today that are much larger. I presume there
will be even more in the SR world. As the monofilament line cleaves these
molecules (not atoms, this is not nuclear fission!) atmospheric nitrogen
rushes in to fill these gaps, where it is excited by the electronic
distortions caused by the cleaving of the molecules. This is known as
triboluminescence, its a quirky chemical effect that also produces the
green flash when you bite down on wintergreen lifesavers in the dark. (No
joke).

Jon Wright
Message no. 27
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:07:47 +0000
|triboluminescence, its a quirky chemical effect that also produces the
|green flash when you bite down on wintergreen lifesavers in the dark. (No
|joke).

What's a wintergreen lifesaver?

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Message no. 28
From: Michael Broadwater <mbroadwa@*******.GLENAYRE.COM>
Subject: Re: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:30:03 -0600
At 06:07 PM 1/15/97 +0000, Spike wrote:
>|triboluminescence, its a quirky chemical effect that also produces the
>|green flash when you bite down on wintergreen lifesavers in the dark. (No
>|joke).
>
>What's a wintergreen lifesaver?
>
Lifesavers are a small disk of candy that acts as a breath freshner.
Wintergreen is one of it's flavors. Basically, spearmint<sp?> Anyway,
when you crunch on 'em in the dark, they spark green. Really cool effect.

Mike Broadwater
Message no. 29
From: Max Rible <cheshire@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:44:39 -0800
At 13:02 1/15/97 -0500, Jonathan Wright wrote:
>On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, Gurth wrote:
>> Jonathan Wright said on 23:08/14 Jan 97...
>> > That's sounds right, however a monofilament whip would appear slightly
>> > blueish in colour when being operated, as atmospheric nitrogen is excited
>> > by the cleaving of all the airborne atoms in the filaments path.

>Sorry wasn't to clear on this the first time through. This time I'll be
>more verbose (heh heh).

>Yes a monofilament line is approximately seven carbons wide, but there are
>many airborne contaminants today that are much larger. I presume there
>will be even more in the SR world. As the monofilament line cleaves these
>molecules (not atoms, this is not nuclear fission!) atmospheric nitrogen
>rushes in to fill these gaps, where it is excited by the electronic
>distortions caused by the cleaving of the molecules.

Why should a monofilament line break apart crud in the atmosphere, rather
than knocking it out of the way? For that matter, how often is it going
to run into crud in the atmosphere? (What's the mean free path in
room temperature atmosphere? I suspect it's a fair bit larger than
the thickness of a monofilament line.) Monofilament doesn't have some
sort of damage aura; the only ways it would actually break apart molecules
would be (a) if it had sufficient leverage to force them apart rather
than push them away or (b) if it were covered in catalytic sites that
drastically increased the probability of molecules it encountered falling
apart. I figure it tends to do damage by (a): it'll usually force
solid objects apart when they're made of something that's a lot weaker
than the monofilament line and the line has enough kinetic energy to
shove things out of its way or break them apart. I don't think you'd
get the ghostly blue glow, but rather, something much more scary:
an almost-invisible thread, save for the weight at the end. (There's
another thing to add to monowhips: extra penalties because you can't
see the whip itself...)

Alternatively, because the wielder has to be able to see it, the whip has
a power pack that's supplying the energy for a St. Elmo's Fire discharge
effect, and you *do* get a glowing blue whip...

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Message no. 30
From: MC23 <mc23@****.NET>
Subject: Re: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 13:43:15 -0500
Michael Broadwater wrote,
>Spike wrote:
>>What's a wintergreen lifesaver?
>>
>Lifesavers are a small disk of candy that acts as a breath freshner.
>Wintergreen is one of it's flavors. Basically, spearmint<sp?> Anyway,
>when you crunch on 'em in the dark, they spark green. Really cool effect.

Not big into lifesavers, I didn't know that. I can't wait until
later tonight locking myself in a dark room in front of the mirror eating
these things.

- MC23, who really has better things to do -
"That still doesn't mean I won't do it."
B>]#
Message no. 31
From: Max Rible <cheshire@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:47:58 -0800
At 13:43 1/15/97 -0500, MC23 wrote:
>Michael Broadwater wrote,
>>Lifesavers are a small disk of candy that acts as a breath freshner.
>>Wintergreen is one of it's flavors. Basically, spearmint<sp?> Anyway,
>>when you crunch on 'em in the dark, they spark green. Really cool effect.

> Not big into lifesavers, I didn't know that. I can't wait until
>later tonight locking myself in a dark room in front of the mirror eating
>these things.

You can also see the same effect when pulling the wrapper on a Band-Aid open.
Though that tends to spark blue.

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Message no. 32
From: Tim P Cooper <z-i-m@****.COM>
Subject: Re: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 19:45:56 EST
On Wed, 15 Jan 1997 13:52:48 +0100 Gurth <gurth@******.NL> writes:
>Jonathan Wright said on 23:08/14 Jan 97...
>
>> That's sounds right, however a monofilament whip would appear slightly
>> blueish in colour when being operated, as atmospheric nitrogen is
excited
>> by the cleaving of all the airborne atoms in the filaments path.
>

[snip Gurth's sensible explanation]

>..way. Even if you could, BTW, you might be doing nuclear fission by
just
>swinging your monowhip through the air...
>

Which would make it WAY too powerful.. :-)

>--
>Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html

~Tim
(who wonders how much of a damage bonus you'd get for starting nuclear
fission along the path of your swing, and if you get a rad. suit when you
buy a mono-whip)
Message no. 33
From: Jonathan Wright <jwrigh01@********.CA>
Subject: Re: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 23:26:35 -0500
On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, Max Rible wrote:

> Why should a monofilament line break apart crud in the atmosphere, rather
> than knocking it out of the way? For that matter, how often is it going
> to run into crud in the atmosphere? (What's the mean free path in
> room temperature atmosphere? I suspect it's a fair bit larger than
> the thickness of a monofilament line.)

It's actually significant enough to have an effect at STP. Surface
adsorption times at 1 atmosphere are roughly a nanosecond. Lots of stuff
is coming in contact with the monofilament.

> Monofilament doesn't have some
> sort of damage aura; the only ways it would actually break apart molecules
> would be (a) if it had sufficient leverage to force them apart rather
> than push them away

If the interfering molecule is larger than the monofilament line at the
point of contact the line will cleave it. Inertia and air pressure behind
the contaminant particle will see to it.

> or (b) if it were covered in catalytic sites that
> drastically increased the probability of molecules it encountered falling
> apart. I figure it tends to do damage by (a): it'll usually force
> solid objects apart when they're made of something that's a lot weaker
> than the monofilament line and the line has enough kinetic energy to
> shove things out of its way or break them apart. I don't think you'd
> get the ghostly blue glow, but rather, something much more scary:
> an almost-invisible thread, save for the weight at the end. (There's
> another thing to add to monowhips: extra penalties because you can't
> see the whip itself...)

I'm not saying that the line is always blue. I'm saying it would appear
this way when it is swung with sufficient force (such as in combat).

> Alternatively, because the wielder has to be able to see it, the whip has
> a power pack that's supplying the energy for a St. Elmo's Fire discharge
> effect, and you *do* get a glowing blue whip...

Interesting point here, buckytubes (if that's our SR monofilament) can't
conduct electricity or heat worth a darn. When first discovered, one
immediate application was to use these as solid state lubricants, but they
break down under electrical and heat stress way to easily. Therefore
running a current through a monofilament line would be a good way to
destroy it (if your opponent is using it against you).

Jon Wright
Message no. 34
From: Elfman & Danita <elf-dani@******.COM>
Subject: Re: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 20:25:48 -0700
> From: Michael Broadwater <mbroadwa@*******.GLENAYRE.COM>
>
> At 06:07 PM 1/15/97 +0000, Spike wrote:
> >|triboluminescence, its a quirky chemical effect that also produces the
> >|green flash when you bite down on wintergreen lifesavers in the dark.
(No
> >|joke).
> >
> >What's a wintergreen lifesaver?
> >
> Lifesavers are a small disk of candy that acts as a breath freshner.
> Wintergreen is one of it's flavors. Basically, spearmint<sp?> Anyway,
> when you crunch on 'em in the dark, they spark green. Really cool
effect.

Just a bit of trivia. The name Lifesaver comes from the fact that the candy
has a hole in the middle of it, i.e. its shaped like an "o". Before
Lifesavers, there was a rash of children choking on candy, with the hole, a
child could still breathe, even if the candy was lodged in the throat.

(Because of the massive amount of trivia I spout often, my friends swore
they heard a bookcase overturn when I did a cartwheel)

Sgt Pepper

Visit Elfman's World at http://www.spots.ab.ca/~elf-dani
or Danitaville at http://www.spots.ab.ca/~elf-dani/index.html
Message no. 35
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: what color are monofilament whips?
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:21:08 +0000
|Just a bit of trivia. The name Lifesaver comes from the fact that the candy
|has a hole in the middle of it, i.e. its shaped like an "o". Before
|Lifesavers, there was a rash of children choking on candy, with the hole, a
|child could still breathe, even if the candy was lodged in the throat.

Ahhhhh!!!!
Polo fruits....
Why didn't you say so?
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