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Message no. 1
From: Marc Renouf renouf@********.com
Subject: What man is meant to understand
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:22:16 -0400 (EDT)
On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, Paul Collins wrote:

> Look, it's real simple.
> There is one thing that man is not meant to understand.
> Women.

Man who does not understand women is infinitely less likely to get
laid. Therefore, man is meant to understand women.

Marc
Message no. 2
From: Allen Versfeld moe@*******.com
Subject: What man is meant to understand
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:23:16 +0200
Marc Renouf wrote:
>
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, Paul Collins wrote:
>
> > Look, it's real simple.
> > There is one thing that man is not meant to understand.
> > Women.
>
> Man who does not understand women is infinitely less likely to get
> laid. Therefore, man is meant to understand women.
>

The man who does not understand women is less of a fool than the man who thinks he does
--
Allen Versfeld
moe@*******.com

"As a computer, I find your faith in technology to be quite amusing"
Message no. 3
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: What man is meant to understand
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:13:04 +0200
According to Allen Versfeld, at 16:23 on 18 Aug 00, the word on the street
was...

> > Man who does not understand women is infinitely less likely to get
> > laid. Therefore, man is meant to understand women.
>
> The man who does not understand women is less of a fool than the man
> who thinks he does

<Obi-Wan>Who is the greater fool, the fool or the fool who replies to
him?</Obi-Wan>

:)

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Message no. 4
From: Lady Jestyr jestyr@*********.html.com
Subject: What man is meant to understand
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:02:54 +1000
>> > Look, it's real simple.
>> > There is one thing that man is not meant to understand.
>> > Women.
>>
>> Man who does not understand women is infinitely less likely to get
>> laid. Therefore, man is meant to understand women.
>>
>
>The man who does not understand women is less of a fool than the man who
thinks he does

And they're both fools for thinking that women are naturally different from
men. We're all -people-, you know.

Now, can we lay off this topic before you lot manage to offend every other
female gamer on this list, since you've already achieved that with me?

Lady Jestyr
~ Hell hath no fury like a geek with a whippersnipper ~

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Message no. 5
From: DemonPenta@***.com DemonPenta@***.com
Subject: What man is meant to understand
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:58:33 EDT
In a message dated 8/18/00 11:06:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jestyr@*********.html.com writes:

> And they're both fools for thinking that women are naturally different from
> men. We're all -people-, you know.
>
> Now, can we lay off this topic before you lot manage to offend every other
> female gamer on this list, since you've already achieved that with me?

Eh. You've hit on the thing with male gamers. Most of us are bitter about our
sex/love lives...or lack thereof.:-)

John
Message no. 6
From: Lady Jestyr jestyr@*********.html.com
Subject: What man is meant to understand
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:29:40 +1000
At 11:58 PM 18/08/00 -0400, DemonPenta@***.com wrote:

>> And they're both fools for thinking that women are naturally different from
>> men. We're all -people-, you know.
>>
>> Now, can we lay off this topic before you lot manage to offend every other
>> female gamer on this list, since you've already achieved that with me?
>
>Eh. You've hit on the thing with male gamers. Most of us are bitter about
our
>sex/love lives...or lack thereof.:-)
>
>John

Well, alienating what females you -do- know, by making them feel they're
'different', isn't going to improve matters any, is it?

Lady Jestyr
~ Hell hath no fury like a geek with a whippersnipper ~

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Message no. 7
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: What man is meant to understand
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:13:14 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*********.html.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Saturday, August 19, 2000 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: What man is meant to understand


>
>Well, alienating what females you -do- know, by making them feel they're
>'different', isn't going to improve matters any, is it?
>
>Lady Jestyr


It is all perfectly understandable. The main difference between men and
women is their sexual characteristics. Your average man isn't really
interested in or even capable of going past these, so to us... er them women
are completely different :?)
Mmmm, sexual characteristics :?)
Message no. 8
From: Sean Edwards edwars2@*******.com
Subject: What man is meant to understand
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 03:00:42 EDT
>> > Look, it's real simple.
>> > There is one thing that man is not meant to understand.
>> > Women.
>>
>> Man who does not understand women is infinitely less likely to
get
>> laid. Therefore, man is meant to understand women.
>>
>
>The man who does not understand women is less of a fool than the man who
thinks he does

>And they're both fools for thinking that women are naturally different from
>men. We're all -people-, you know.

>Now, can we lay off this topic before you lot manage to offend every other
>female gamer on this list, since you've already achieved that with me?

>Lady Jestyr

OK, Snakeyes hit on this a bit, but in truth women and men are naturally
different. Different physical makeup, different organs, different
chemicals, even different mental processes reinforced by millenia of
sociological patterns. The point is not that women are "different" from
men, or that men are "different" from women... men AND women are different
from each other and these are differences we should acknowledge, accept, try
to understand, and most importantly, celebrate. Yes we're all people, and
yes we're all different... doesn't mean we're strange, or freaks, or
unwanted, it just means we're human.



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Message no. 9
From: Lady Jestyr jestyr@*********.html.com
Subject: What man is meant to understand
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:25:55 +1000
> >The man who does not understand women is less of a fool than the man who
>thinks he does
>
>>And they're both fools for thinking that women are naturally different from
>>men. We're all -people-, you know.
>
>>Now, can we lay off this topic before you lot manage to offend every other
>>female gamer on this list, since you've already achieved that with me?
>
>OK, Snakeyes hit on this a bit, but in truth women and men are naturally
>different. Different physical makeup, different organs, different
>chemicals, even different mental processes reinforced by millenia of
>sociological patterns. The point is not that women are "different" from
>men, or that men are "different" from women... men AND women are different
>from each other and these are differences we should acknowledge, accept, try
>to understand, and most importantly, celebrate. Yes we're all people, and
>yes we're all different... doesn't mean we're strange, or freaks, or
>unwanted, it just means we're human.

Valid point. I'm sorry if I reacted too strongly last time. It just gets my
goat that people -expect- those of the other gender to play little
dominance and manipulation games with them, to remain 'dark and
mysterious', and not be understood - in effect, to be able to keep the
upper hand in interpersonal relationships. That kind of behaviour really
pisses me off when I encounter it (even if it's not directed at me; it just
smacks of dishonesty and manipulativeness, two traits I cannot abide);
naturally, it annoys me just as much to see people expecting it to occur.
Which is effectively what the 'man is not meant to understand woman'
comment says, particularly in light of all those jokes circulating around
the net about 'what women really mean when they say...' and all the other
comedy moments of that ilk.

Sorry. Personal pet peeve of mine. I'll get off my soapbox now and stop
over-reacting, but I do think I had a valid point the first time - that men
and women *should* be able to understand each other. If you encounter one
that you can't, chances are that (s)he is doing his/her best to keep it
that way, for reasons of his/her own, and is playing games with you - and
hence not worth your time and effort. IMO, anyway.

Lady Jestyr
~ Hell hath no fury like a geek with a whippersnipper ~

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Message no. 10
From: DemonPenta@***.com DemonPenta@***.com
Subject: What man is meant to understand
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 07:02:28 EDT
In a message dated 8/19/00 12:42:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
sfuller@******.com.au writes:

> It is all perfectly understandable. The main difference between men and
> women is their sexual characteristics. Your average man isn't really
> interested in or even capable of going past these, so to us... er them
women
> are completely different :?)
> Mmmm, sexual characteristics :?)

OK, I shouldn't have even tried to respond to Jestyr. Now, I'm just going to
hide.....

DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK! RABID ATTACK WEASELS!

John
Message no. 11
From: DemonPenta@***.com DemonPenta@***.com
Subject: What man is meant to understand
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 07:08:09 EDT
In a message dated 8/19/00 3:28:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jestyr@*********.html.com writes, among other things:

> Sorry. Personal pet peeve of mine. I'll get off my soapbox now and stop
> over-reacting, but I do think I had a valid point the first time - that men
> and women *should* be able to understand each other. If you encounter one
> that you can't, chances are that (s)he is doing his/her best to keep it
> that way, for reasons of his/her own, and is playing games with you - and
> hence not worth your time and effort. IMO, anyway.


And, no offense Jestyr...but, speaking as the resident teenage male
here...Dammit, I wish there was a manual! :->

No, not the Idiot's Guide...

John
Message no. 12
From: Lady Jestyr jestyr@*********.html.com
Subject: What man is meant to understand
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 22:11:52 +1000
At 07:08 AM 19/08/00 -0400, DemonPenta@***.com wrote:
>
>> Sorry. Personal pet peeve of mine. I'll get off my soapbox now and stop
>> over-reacting, but I do think I had a valid point the first time - that
men
>> and women *should* be able to understand each other. If you encounter one
>> that you can't, chances are that (s)he is doing his/her best to keep it
>> that way, for reasons of his/her own, and is playing games with you - and
>> hence not worth your time and effort. IMO, anyway.
>
>And, no offense Jestyr...but, speaking as the resident teenage male
>here...Dammit, I wish there was a manual! :->

"Well, this bit goes here, and this bit goes there... that bit? Oh,
no-one's ever worked out that bit does..."

Or was that not quite what you were meaning? ;-)

Lady Jestyr
~ Hell hath no fury like a geek with a whippersnipper ~

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Message no. 13
From: Paul Collins paulcollins@*******.com
Subject: What man is meant to understand
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 22:29:40 +1000
----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Renouf <renouf@********.com>
To: <shadowrn@*********.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: What man is meant to understand


>
>
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, Paul Collins wrote:
>
> > Look, it's real simple.
> > There is one thing that man is not meant to understand.
> > Women.
>
> Man who does not understand women is infinitely less likely to get
> laid. Therefore, man is meant to understand women.
>
> Marc
Let me refrase that, my pregnant wife said...(See above)

Annachie :o)

Bubs due on Oct 31st :o)
Message no. 14
From: DemonPenta@***.com DemonPenta@***.com
Subject: What man is meant to understand
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 08:51:09 EDT
In a message dated 8/19/00 8:13:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jestyr@*********.html.com writes:

> Or was that not quite what you were meaning? ;-)

ROFL. No, it wasn't!:-)

John
Message no. 15
From: Wolfstar wolfstar@********.net
Subject: What man is meant to understand
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:10:16 -0400
On Sat, 19 Aug 2000, you wrote:

> > > Look, it's real simple.
> > > There is one thing that man is not meant to understand.
> > > Women.
> >
> > Man who does not understand women is infinitely less likely to get
> > laid. Therefore, man is meant to understand women.
> >
> > Marc
> Let me refrase that, my pregnant wife said...(See above)

Your wife SHOULD have said Man is not meant to understand Women under a
Hormone Directive. That's the only time I have trouble understanding
Kay. =)

> Bubs due on Oct 31st :o)

Congrats. I'll crack a bottle of mead and toast the youngster that
night. =)

Wolfstar
wolfstar@********.net
"Don't Make Me Come Down There...." -- God
Message no. 16
From: Allen Versfeld moe@*******.com
Subject: What man is meant to understand
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 08:18:06 +0200
Gurth wrote:
>
> According to Allen Versfeld, at 16:23 on 18 Aug 00, the word on the street
> was...
>
> > > Man who does not understand women is infinitely less likely to get
> > > laid. Therefore, man is meant to understand women.
> >
> > The man who does not understand women is less of a fool than the man
> > who thinks he does
>
> <Obi-Wan>Who is the greater fool, the fool or the fool who replies to
> him?</Obi-Wan>
>
> :)

Now you're hitting below the belt...

;-)
--
Allen Versfeld
moe@*******.com

"As a computer, I find your faith in technology to be quite amusing"
Message no. 17
From: Marc Renouf renouf@********.com
Subject: What man is meant to understand
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:39:40 -0400 (EDT)
On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 DemonPenta@***.com wrote:

> > And they're both fools for thinking that women are naturally different from
> > men. We're all -people-, you know.
> >
> > Now, can we lay off this topic before you lot manage to offend every other
> > female gamer on this list, since you've already achieved that with me?
>
> Eh. You've hit on the thing with male gamers. Most of us are bitter about our
> sex/love lives...or lack thereof.:-)

Speak for yourself, bucko. I think Lady J hit it pretty much on
the head, and just reinforced what I was trying to say in the first place.

Marc
Message no. 18
From: Andrew Gryphon webmaster@*********.com
Subject: What man is meant to understand
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:18:05 -0500
on 8/19/00 2:25 AM, Lady Jestyr at jestyr@*********.html.com e-scribed:

> I do think I had a valid point the first time - that men
> and women *should* be able to understand each other. If you encounter one
> that you can't, chances are that (s)he is doing his/her best to keep it
> that way, for reasons of his/her own, and is playing games with you - and
> hence not worth your time and effort. IMO, anyway.

Nah, there are some things that just don't make sense to each other.

When my wife has a problem & tells me about it, I automatically go into
"problem-solving mode." She doesn't want a solution. She wants sympathy. I
can't understand that for the life of me, and maybe you're different, but I
figure differences like these are why women's bathrooms have couches in
them.

--
Andrew Gryphon
http://www.Wyrmworks.com
Taking Role-Playing to the next level

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