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Message no. 1
From: DarkAngelI@******.com
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with...
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 22:47:31 -0800
>it's in SR2 not the Grimoire

Typo, my mistake.

>I know it says 50 kg x Body, but it just makes no sense whatsoever.
>Instead, if I were you I'd use common sense and not base body >weight on
Body -- if you do, you'll find that all fighting machines >weigh WAY too
much, and that every couch potato would also >have a Body of 5 or 6...

The "50 kgs per body point" is for the purpose of lifting someone with a
levatate spell. Period. Its a nice round easy number to use and its fairly
accurate, though definitely not exact. You are correct in stating that it
seems off, but there really is no way to determine a persons weight so it
therefore seemed the only logical course of action. Basically its up to the
player to determine at character creation how much the character weighs. They
could base it upon the 50kilos per point rule and knock it up or down however
they see fit. Its all just a matter personal taste.

>Stop comparing Body to body weight (see below) and maybe you'll >see why I
think it does add to the A+2 attributes... A shapeshifter
>in animal form appears as a large, well-built member of its species.
>IMHO this accounts for the extra Physical Attributes (the +2 or +1).
>EA is magic-based, so it doesn't need to add anything to body
>weight even if extra (real) Body would. The inherent magical
>nature of a shapeshifter provides it with much-increased attributes
>over what is naturally possible...

Look at what you just said."A shapeshifter in animal form appears as a large,
well-built member of its species. IMHO this accounts for the extra Physical
Attributes (the +2 or +1)." Those "extra" physical attributes ARE the
enhanced physical attributes. You just stated it for yourself.

Technically we could argue either point till we both turned blue in the face,
and would never get anywhere. This is why I think FASA should get involved in
this. If anyone at FASA or anyone who can get in contact with them could ask
them for a clarification on these rather ambiguous rules, it would be greatly
appreciated. Until then we really can't show any "official support" for
either arguement. That just means its your opinion versus mine, which quite
frankly means no matter what we say, its still only opinion.
Message no. 2
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with...
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 12:16:50 +0100
DarkAngelI@******.com said on 3 Nov 95...

> there really is no way to determine a persons weight so it

??? Whatever happened to "He looks kind of fat so I say he weighs about
100 kgs" on the part of the GM? That's the way I handle Levitate spells...

> therefore seemed the only logical course of action. Basically its up to the
> player to determine at character creation how much the character weighs. They
> could base it upon the 50kilos per point rule and knock it up or down however
> they see fit. Its all just a matter personal taste.

Better would be to base it on real life. If a human male weighs about 75
to 80 kg (or whatever) you can quite simply say that your char weighs 68
or 93 or something.

> Look at what you just said."A shapeshifter in animal form appears as a large,
> well-built member of its species. IMHO this accounts for the extra Physical
> Attributes (the +2 or +1)." Those "extra" physical attributes ARE the
> enhanced physical attributes. You just stated it for yourself.

I know what I said, and I specifically meant that those +2s and +1s do
_not_ constitute EA, for the very simple reason that SR2, PANA, and PAE
all say that EA adds (Essence) to the attributes. Oh dammit, this
discussion will never go anywhere, will it?

> Technically we could argue either point till we both turned blue in the face,
> and would never get anywhere. This is why I think FASA should get involved in
> this.

I'll send an email to FASAMike, see if he answers, and if he does, what
the official ruling is...

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Message no. 3
From: DarkAngelI@******.com
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with...
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 10:13:31 -0800
>I'll send an email to FASAMike, see if he answers, and if he does,
>what the official ruling is...

Sounds like a plan!
Message no. 4
From: Georg Greve <ggreve@*******.hanse.de>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with...
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:28:05 +0100
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:28:01 +0100 (MET)

> The "50 kgs per body point" is for the purpose of lifting someone with a
> levatate spell. Period. Its a nice round easy number to use and its fairly

I still think they got confused with pounds and kilograms...

Bye,
Georg
Message no. 5
From: GLENN.ROBERTSON@***.Edu
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with...
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 16:02:14 -0700 (MST)
> > The "50 kgs per body point" is for the purpose of lifting someone with
a
> > levatate spell. Period. Its a nice round easy number to use and its fairly
>
> I still think they got confused with pounds and kilograms...
>
As long as it isn't 50 kegs per body point! I'd hate to test that at my
next college party, even if it is in my own kitchen! *^)

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