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Message no. 1
From: Wilbur Cornholio <mad_bomb@*******.COM>
Subject: Whats the deal with the new adept?
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:56:07 PDT
Does SR3 contain all the varieties of adept from the magic books?
WHats the point of initiation when you can just spend karma
Is initiation different?
The book doesnt get to where i live till Christmas!
Please help
a newbie 2 ShadowRN an original 2 SHADOWRUN
MRHappYTHEsmILEYMan

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Message no. 2
From: Razor Girl <sprawlg@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:56:02 PDT
The point behind the new adept rules is, it allows an adept to advance
without ever having to initiate. They can buy power points for new
adept powers or to upgrade old ones. The rub is, powers tend to have an
upper limit of your magic stat. So you could never add more ranks to a
power than your Magic stat, but you could add all the way up to it.
Initiation raises the magic stat and so has a benefit also.

Don't forget, while most people consider the Initiation rules important,
they are advanced. People can now play adepts, never have to buy MiTS
and have the ability to use karma on their powers.


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Message no. 3
From: "<Alfredo B Alves>" <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 00:53:54 EDT
On Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:56:07 PDT Wilbur Cornholio <mad_bomb@*******.COM>
writes:
> Does SR3 contain all the varieties of adept from the magic books?
> WHats the point of initiation when you can just spend karma
> Is initiation different?
> The book doesnt get to where i live till Christmas!
> Please help

Intiation brings other benifits other than more power points.
Unfortunately, you'll have to wait for MitS to see for certain but as far
as I know, intiations provides the following benefits (for adepts):
1) More power points.
2) Increase in maximum adept ability purchasable.
3) Possible access to masking intiate ability.
4) Possible access to centering intiate ability.

> a newbie 2 ShadowRN an original 2 SHADOWRUN
> MRHappYTHEsmILEYMan

Newbie? Phew. For a second I thought this was -THE- (in)famous
Cornholio ...

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Message no. 4
From: Wilbur Cornholio <mad_bomb@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:19:26 PDT
rad all clear
Exept for the Physical MAgician
Does raising the force add to his force for Phsyad powers
is the limit based on his rating in Physad powers
Or on his magic att
I assume he cant raise his force for spells that way?
......Man in a remote place has many questions
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Message no. 5
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:16:21 +0100
And verily, did Wilbur Cornholio hastily scribble thusly...
|
| Does SR3 contain all the varieties of adept from the magic books?

I don't have SR3 yet, so ?????

| WHats the point of initiation when you can just spend karma

Karma doesn't grant extra magic points?
Karma doesn't give you access to metamagic?

| Is initiation different?

Yes. See above.

| The book doesnt get to where i live till Christmas!

I don't think it's got here yet either.
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Message no. 6
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:17:48 +0200
Wilbur Cornholio said on 16:56/2 Sep 98,...

> WHats the point of initiation when you can just spend karma

There's a breaking point where initiation will be cheaper than spending 20
Karma for a new Power point. Also, from initiation you can get other
powers, like masking and centering.

However, that means that as soon as you get to grade 2 (using the gradual
initiation rules), further initiation is useless as you won't get any
extra powers from it, and it'll probably be cheaper to buy extra Power
points directly.

Of course I don't know what MITS will do, but it seems a good idea to me
to only allow physads to buy a number of extra Power points equal to their
Magic rating (or some figure based off of that) -- that way, they _need_
to initiate at certain points if they want to get more powers.

> Is initiation different?

Different from what? SRII? We have no way of knowing until MITS comes out.

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Message no. 7
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:17:49 +0200
Alfredo B Alves said on 0:53/3 Sep 98,...

> Newbie? Phew. For a second I thought this was -THE- (in)famous
> Cornholio ...

No, that'd be "The GREAT Cornholio," if he still uses that nick. Anyway,
he might be showing up again soon...

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Message no. 8
From: Alfredo Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:23:12 -0500
On Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:19:26 PDT Wilbur Cornholio <mad_bomb@*******.COM>
writes:
> rad all clear
> Exept for the Physical MAgician
> Does raising the force add to his force for Phsyad powers
> is the limit based on his rating in Physad powers
> Or on his magic att
> I assume he cant raise his force for spells that way?
> ......Man in a remote place has many questions
> MrhaPPytheSmileyMAn
<SinP>

You can only buy extra power points. buying extra power points does NOT
raise your magic attribute. In other words, a Physical Adept with a
Magic Attribute of 6 automatically gets 6 power points and decides to
spend 20 karma to get 1 more power point. Afterwards, the Physical Adept
has a Magic Attribute of 6 and 7 power points.

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Message no. 9
From: Razor Girl <sprawlg@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:29:43 PDT
The Physical Magician (PM) wasn't detailed in SR3. Here is my guess. PMs
can increase the level of power points for adept powers to the limit of
magic points spent on adept powers. EG: 3 magic points left for spell
weaving and 3 points used for adept powers. Thus the adept abilities in
this case would have an upper limit of 3. I see it this way, even though
there is no true loss of magic stat, like one would get from damage or
essence loss. The PM has only dedicated a part of their magical ability
to his somatic powers. Until he dedicates more or initiates he is
limited by his split of magical outlook.

Also in some cases the adept powers are limited by the type of power
(combat sense), governing statistic (increase ability), or GM whimsy.

As to increasing magic abilities like an adept, nope. The rules for
buying spells and foci would be no different for PMs.



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Message no. 10
From: Wilbur Cornholio <mad_bomb@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 07:21:20 PDT
and thus spike did foolishly scribble
If your gonna reply to something KNOW something about it first
in Sr3 i have been made aware you can spend 10 karma to up your
effective force (what you get from your magic rating as an adept for
powers). as opposed to the 12 or more for initiation.
very helpful
MrhAPPYtheSMILeyman


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Message no. 11
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:32:59 +0100
And verily, did Wilbur Cornholio hastily scribble thusly...
|
| and thus spike did foolishly scribble
| If your gonna reply to something KNOW something about it first
| in Sr3 i have been made aware you can spend 10 karma to up your
|effective force (what you get from your magic rating as an adept for
|powers). as opposed to the 12 or more for initiation.

Excuse me!
I don't recall even mentioning force! I mentioned such things as increased
magic rating and metamagic! Force is a useless concept for a Phys Ad in most
circumstances.

Magic rating for Phys Ads is a limiting factor. Up the magic rating, and you
exceed your old limits....

Might I strongly recommend that YOU know WHO you're talking to before YOU
open your big gob??!!!

| very helpful

I know I am. More, it seems, than can be said for you.

P.S. Try formatting you posts in a more..... Standard way.
They are ever so slightly difficult/irritating to read the way they
are.
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Message no. 12
From: Wilbur Cornholio <mad_bomb@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 07:50:18 PDT
>I don't recall even mentioning force! I mentioned such things as
increased
>magic rating and metamagic! Force is a useless concept for a Phys Ad in
most
>circumstances.
>
>Magic rating for Phys Ads is a limiting factor. Up the magic rating,
and you
>exceed your old limits....
bwa ha ha, right into my trap, somebody hasn't read their shadowrun
companion, adepts DO get force it is = to their magic rating AND MAY NOT
be raised (at that point) by anything other than raising their magic
rating.
so ha
apparently in SR3 they can raise their FORCE rating with like 10 or 20
karma or something.
of course anything i quote out of SR3 is most likely WRONg
anything i quote out of ANY other SR book is most likely RIGHT
MRhappyhtESMileyMAN
*for all your ShadowRun FACTS*

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Message no. 13
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:03:32 +0100
And verily, did Wilbur Cornholio hastily scribble thusly...
| bwa ha ha, right into my trap,

Oh, I don't think so. I think it's you that seems to be incapable of reading
what I write.

somebody hasn't read their shadowrun
|companion,

I don't have a shadowrun companion. It's not even a cannon rule book.
(It's a book full of OPTIONAL rules)

adepts DO get force it is = to their magic rating AND MAY NOT
|be raised (at that point) by anything other than raising their magic
|rating.

And what, pray tell, does a phys-ad do with these oooo so precious force
points?
Added to that the fact that I STILL DIDN'T MENTION FORCE IN MY ORIGINAL
E-MAIL!

Besides which, your initial question was what's the point of initiating if
you can buy power points with Karma?

I shall repost my original e-mail so you can see how STUPID you're being.


| so ha

Ha? That's the level you've sunk to now? Saying "Ha" without realising
you're blatantly wrong?

|apparently in SR3 they can raise their FORCE rating with like 10 or 20
|karma or something.

Force? I think you mean the number of points they get for buying Phys-Ad
powers? SO? That is still irrelevant to what *I* posted.


| of course anything i quote out of SR3 is most likely WRONg
| anything i quote out of ANY other SR book is most likely RIGHT

OOOOO. OI! GURTH! YOU HAVE A (rather pitifull) RIVAL TO YOUR GURU STATUS!
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Message no. 14
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:05:11 -0600
Wilbur Cornholio wrote:
/
/ >I don't recall even mentioning force! I mentioned such things as
/ increased
/ >magic rating and metamagic! Force is a useless concept for a Phys Ad in
/ most
/ >circumstances.
/ >
/ >Magic rating for Phys Ads is a limiting factor. Up the magic rating,
/ and you
/ >exceed your old limits....
/ bwa ha ha, right into my trap, somebody hasn't read their shadowrun
/ companion, adepts DO get force it is = to their magic rating AND MAY NOT
/ be raised (at that point) by anything other than raising their magic
/ rating.

In SR3 Adepts no long have Force points. They have power points.

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Message no. 15
From: "Ojaste,James [NCR]" <James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:05:42 -0400
Wilbur Cornholio wrote:
> >I don't recall even mentioning force! I mentioned such things as
> increased
> >magic rating and metamagic! Force is a useless concept for a Phys Ad in
> most
> >circumstances.
[snip]
> bwa ha ha, right into my trap, somebody hasn't read their
> shadowrun
> companion, adepts DO get force it is = to their magic rating AND MAY NOT
> be raised (at that point) by anything other than raising their magic
> rating.
>
Sorry. In SR3, Adepts don't get force. They get power points equal
to their magic rating.

> so ha
> apparently in SR3 they can raise their FORCE rating with like 10 or 20
> karma or something.
>
With 20 karma, an Adept can buy a power point. It is assumed that
they can initiate (initiation isn't covered in SR3), which would provide
them with a metamagical power, a magic point, and a power point. Not
to mention that for the first several initiations, it's much cheaper.

> of course anything i quote out of SR3 is most likely WRONg
> anything i quote out of ANY other SR book is most likely RIGHT
>
Uh huh. Statements like that have to be proven through experience, not
just accepted as claimed. Proper presentation is also helpful - you
might begin by snipping irrelevant portions of quoted material, not
insulting old listmembers and by losing some of that arrogance until
it's been earned...

James Ojaste
Message no. 16
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:14:11 -0500
<snippage>

> bwa ha ha, right into my trap, somebody hasn't read their
shadowrun
>companion, adepts DO get force it is = to their magic rating AND MAY
NOT
>be raised (at that point) by anything other than raising their magic
>rating.


<some more snippage>

> of course anything i quote out of SR3 is most likely WRONg
> anything i quote out of ANY other SR book is most likely RIGHT
> MRhappyhtESMileyMAN
>*for all your ShadowRun FACTS*

Geeeze...and people thought *I* was an asshole when I joined the
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Message no. 17
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept? (fwd)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:16:52 +0100
This is a repost for Mr Cornholios benefit, seeing as he seems to be
incapable of understanding simple sentences.

|And verily, did Wilbur Cornholio hastily scribble thusly...
||
|| Does SR3 contain all the varieties of adept from the magic books?
|
|I don't have SR3 yet, so ?????
|
|| WHats the point of initiation when you can just spend karma
|
|Karma doesn't grant extra magic points?
|Karma doesn't give you access to metamagic?

Mr Cornholio here was asking what the point of initiating was, when you
could buy power points with Karma. As can be seen, I answered with two
simple questions. (Obviously went right over his head).

Those two questions could be rewritten (hopefully in a manner that Mr
Cornholio can understand) as...

The benefits of initiating are: 1. You gain a magic point.
2. With this magic point, you also gain
another power point.
3. You gain access to Metamagical abilities
that are restricted soley to initiates.

One more benefit I didn't put in the last one was, at least in the case of
Shadowrun II, that there are some phys-ad abilities that can only be bought
if you ARE an initiate. (Enhanced centering for example)

Now, if Mr Cornholio can find any flaws in the above, I'll be more than
happy to accept any derogatory language he may care to throw at me.


What a moron.
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Message no. 18
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:19:16 +0100
And verily, did Patrick Goodman hastily scribble thusly...
|Geeeze...and people thought *I* was an asshole when I joined the
|list....

There're always some.
MC23 was one as well. He's now an accepted member, despite what he said to
Gurth.
:)
You've been accepted into the fold.

I don't think this one will though somehow. Some people just log-in to cause
trouble and end up being booted.

(Although that hasn't happened for about a year)

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Message no. 19
From: Wilbur Cornholio <mad_bomb@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept? (fwd)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:07:50 PDT
Way to be patronizing!
somehow i get the strangest feeling i understood those points THATS
why i asked....it is cheaper (i belive) to simply buy new force points
rather than waste the karma on masking (which is all my group seem to
use) i was aware of the benefits of initiation
Thanks for making me feel welcome
MrHAPPytHESMILEYman

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Message no. 20
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept? (fwd)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:15:15 +0100
And verily, did Wilbur Cornholio hastily scribble thusly...
|
| Way to be patronizing!
| somehow i get the strangest feeling i understood those points THATS
|why i asked....it is cheaper (i belive) to simply buy new force points
|rather than waste the karma on masking (which is all my group seem to
|use) i was aware of the benefits of initiation
| Thanks for making me feel welcome

You were the one who was being insulting.
I was just reciprocating.
Get a little maturity, then you won't be jumped on quite so much.
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Message no. 21
From: Wilbur Cornholio <mad_bomb@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?-reply
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:16:13 PDT
Several points to begin with
A) i have this nasty habit of taking all the optional rules and
calling them canon
b) FORCE is a term used to describe the "allocated" points of
magic,
it makes little difference what you call them, i assumed you knew what i
did and and so when you reffered to the allocated points i thought you
where sayin as good as FORCE.
c) i only have memorised the sourcebooks, i havent read any of the
novels and only a few adventures so guru is a bit presumptuous.
and one last point to end with.
Why did you respond when my question was one of what is the point
of...rather what are the rules on....when you havent read the book i was
needing info from?

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Message no. 22
From: Wilbur Cornholio <mad_bomb@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?-reply
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:22:31 PDT
>From: "Ojaste,James [NCR]" <James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA>
Groovy
like i said i dont know jack about whats in SR3, and that they call them
power points is a damn good idea and saves on the confusion.
I earned my arrogance via being called "mrsadoldShadowrunEncylcopedia"
amonst the large group of players i know. I guess it transferred too
well.
a more humbled MRAhAppyTHESmileyMan

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Message no. 23
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?-reply
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:29:30 +0100
And verily, did Wilbur Cornholio hastily scribble thusly...
| Why did you respond when my question was one of what is the point
|of...rather what are the rules on....when you havent read the book i was
|needing info from?

Because I have been on the list long enough to know some of the specifics
without actually Needing to read the book.
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Message no. 24
From: Sommers <sommers@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?-reply
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:35:21 -0400
At 09:16 AM 9/3/98 -0700, you wrote:
> Several points to begin with
> A) i have this nasty habit of taking all the optional
rules and
>calling them canon

You should quote which Sourcebook you're quoting from, so that we know
which set you're taking the rules from.

> b) FORCE is a term used to describe the "allocated" points
of magic,
>it makes little difference what you call them, i assumed you knew what i
>did and and so when you reffered to the allocated points i thought you
>where sayin as good as FORCE.

Force in the Companion and Power Points in SR3 both refer to adpets
purchasing powers. But, you should have mentioned that you were refering to
terms form the SRComp. While a lot of people here have every book made (not
quite there yet) some don't. So try not to assume that someone is going
from the same knowledge base you are.

> c) i only have memorised the sourcebooks, i havent read
any of the
>novels and only a few adventures so guru is a bit presumptuous.
>and one last point to end with.
> Why did you respond when my question was one of what is the point
>of...rather what are the rules on....when you havent read the book i was
>needing info from?

Beacuse you didn't mention until later that you were referencing SRComp.
Force Points in SR3 refer only to the points that Magicians and Aspected
Magicians get for spells and foci bonding. Unless you mentin that you're
using the term form a certain book, it sounds wrong. Putting in phrases like:
"If your gonna reply to something KNOW something about it first"

and then making erroneous assumptions about products which it seems you
don't even have yet

" of course anything i quote out of SR3 is most likely WRONg"

does tend to make people testy.

Also, the way that you right out your messages with very little punctuation
or copitalization does make it harder to take some statements seriously as
a reader has to work hard just to figure out what you're trying to say.

Generally people around here will treat you well, even if they disagree
with you or point out a mistake that you have made. The trick is not to try
to actively antagonize everyone on the list. At least until you're
thouroughly ensconsed in the system ;)

Sommers, BABY 932
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Message no. 25
From: Wilbur Cornholio <mad_bomb@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?-reply
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:43:17 PDT
spike did writ
>
>Because I have been on the list long enough to know some of the
specifics
>without actually Needing to read the book.
not to seem "arrogant" but if you knew what i wanted to know why didnt
you answer with ALL the details i was curious about?
apparantly of course you hadnt read the book...but it seems you dont
need to.
I am of course in yuour gratitude for your enlightening responses about
initiation.
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Message no. 26
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?-reply
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:47:12 +0100
And verily, did Wilbur Cornholio hastily scribble thusly...
|
|spike did writ
|>
|>Because I have been on the list long enough to know some of the
|specifics
|>without actually Needing to read the book.

|not to seem "arrogant" but if you knew what i wanted to know why didnt
|you answer with ALL the details i was curious about?

Which were? You asked what the point of initiating was, being as you gould
buy power points with Karma now. I gave you the reasons as I saw them.

I.E> Increase of Magic attribute and access to metamagic.

Then, you went all wierd.
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Message no. 27
From: "Ojaste,James [NCR]" <James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?-reply
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:46:56 -0400
Wilbur Cornholio wrote:
> like i said i dont know jack about whats in SR3, and that they call them
> power points is a damn good idea and saves on the confusion.
>
That was one of the main thrusts of the changes in SR3 - to clear up
confusion (especially within the magic system).

> I earned my arrogance via being called "mrsadoldShadowrunEncylcopedia"
> amonst the large group of players i know. I guess it transferred too
> well.
>
*shrug* Around here, most of us can quote rules etc, but there is
just enough contradiction in the published material to make for some
really great flamewars... Take "Grounding through Quickenings" (which
I now mention with impunity because grounding doesn't exist in SR3).
People have quoted text supporting both sides of the argument, with no
real resolution.

As for quoting from the SRC, that's an iffy proposition in any case -
a third of the list likes it, a third of the list hates it, and a third
of the list just tweaks it. It's probably the most controversial SR
book published by FASA. The most disliked is probably Sprawl Sites. :-)

James Ojaste
Message no. 28
From: Wilbur Cornholio <mad_bomb@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?-reply
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:57:59 PDT
Sommers spake unto me
You should quote which Sourcebook you're quoting from, so that we know
>which set you're taking the rules from.
>

your damn right i should have

>terms form the SRComp. While a lot of people here have every book made
(not
>quite there yet) some don't. So try not to assume that someone is going
>from the same knowledge base you are.
again the pearls of wisdom continue to roll forth


>. Putting in phrases like:
>"If your gonna reply to something KNOW something about it first"
>
>and then making erroneous assumptions about products which it seems you
>don't even have yet
>
>" of course anything i quote out of SR3 is most likely WRONg"
>
>does tend to make people testy.
HE didnt know about it either, what did i assume about SR3?...who says
i'm consistant anyways?


>Also, the way that you right out your messages with very little
punctuation
>or copitalization does make it harder to take some statements seriously
as
>a reader has to work hard just to figure out what you're trying to say.
really
is
it
that
bad
(that by the way is what i like to call a joke, or jocular jape)
i tend to see emails as hastily scribbled notes, rather than neat
precise letters.
i guess I'm alone in that one huh?
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Message no. 29
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?-reply
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:01:47 -0500
>It's probably the most controversial SR
>book published by FASA. The most disliked is probably Sprawl Sites.
:-)

Really? I kinda like Sprawl Sites, but that might be because (A) it was
free, (B) I'm basically lazy and if I can grab a stock restaurant or bar
description from somewhere it saves me the trouble of coming up with new
inconsequential places for my runners to go, and (C) did I mention it
was free? <g>

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Message no. 30
From: Mike Elkins <Mike_Elkins@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?-reply
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:03:03 -0400
>As for quoting from the SRC, that's an iffy proposition in any case -
>a third of the list likes it, a third of the list hates it, and a third
>of the list just tweaks it. It's probably the most controversial SR
>book published by FASA. The most disliked is probably Sprawl Sites. :-)

Oh no, Sprawl Sites was quite useful in it's time (which was quite a long
time ago indeed). The art book would probably be the most disliked, except
that it is instead the most ignored. Primer Runners is probably the most
disliked. I've never heard anyone say anything positive about it.

Double-Domed Mike
Message no. 31
From: Shaun Gilroy <shaung@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?-reply
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:06:41 -0400
At 09:22 AM 9/3/98 PDT, you wrote:
>I earned my arrogance via being called "mrsadoldShadowrunEncylcopedia"
>amonst the large group of players i know. I guess it transferred too
>well.

Mrs. Adled Shadowrun Encyclopedia? Check your spelling on adled.
:)


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Message no. 32
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?-reply
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:11:32 -0500
>Primer Runners is probably the most
>disliked. I've never heard anyone say anything positive about it.

Never seen it. What, pray tell, is so bad about it?

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Message no. 33
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:14:42 +0200
Spike said on 16:03/3 Sep 98,...

> | of course anything i quote out of SR3 is most likely WRONg
> | anything i quote out of ANY other SR book is most likely RIGHT
>
> OOOOO. OI! GURTH! YOU HAVE A (rather pitifull) RIVAL TO YOUR GURU STATUS!

I have a hard time following what Wilbur's on about, seeing as how
<GridSec>he doesn't quote the stuff he's replying to</GridSec>. Why do I
get this feeling we have another 14-year-old listmember...? (Not that
that's a bad thing, if it's the case, but I suggest you try to post in a
slightly more mature way.)

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Message no. 34
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept? (fwd)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:14:42 +0200
Spike said on 16:16/3 Sep 98,...

> One more benefit I didn't put in the last one was, at least in the case of
> Shadowrun II
^^^^^^^^^^^^

Let's see... Stainless Steel Rat, Rob Hayden, Doctor Doom, Spike
mentioning SRII as if he uses it... Yep, the world must truly be coming to
an end now...

:)

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Message no. 35
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:14:42 +0200
Patrick Goodman said on 10:14/3 Sep 98,...

> > MRhappyhtESMileyMAN
> >*for all your ShadowRun FACTS*

May I point out that, if you want to present facts, you should first get
them straight -- it helps only quoting stuff from books you actually own
and can look things up in when you're not sure. Also, losing some of the
attitude will make you much more easily accepted in a group of people.

> Geeeze...and people thought *I* was an asshole when I joined the
> list....

But you _were_... ;)

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Message no. 36
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?-reply
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:22:18 -0600
Wilbur Cornholio wrote:
/
/ >Also, the way that you right out your messages with very little
/ punctuation
/ >or copitalization does make it harder to take some statements seriously
/ as
/ >a reader has to work hard just to figure out what you're trying to say.
/
/ really
/ is
/ it
/ that
/ bad
/ (that by the way is what i like to call a joke, or jocular jape)
/ i tend to see emails as hastily scribbled notes, rather than neat
/ precise letters.

A quick tip, use emoticons (aka smileys :) and such) to ensure that
jokes are taken as jokes.

Read the ShadowRN FAQ (the URL is in my .sig). It's chock full of
pearls of wisdom.

/ i guess I'm alone in that one huh?

Yeah, pretty much :) Please keep in mind that subscription to this
list is international and members for whom english is *not* a native
language can have a hard time with non-standard punctuation, slang, and
shorthand.

/ MrHAppYTheSmileyMAN
/ *Just because i'm insane doesnt mean i'm insane* JAKE -MY BESTest Buddy

I am suddenly reminded of Nurse Wratchet, a long past ShadowRNer.
She/He/They had the most unusual posts as the seperate personalities
interjected comments into the post of the primary writer.

Now those were hard to read (but really fun and challenging :)

Have fun,
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Message no. 37
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:25:02 -0500
>> Geeeze...and people thought *I* was an asshole when I joined
>> the list....
>
>But you _were_... ;)

Deatail, details....

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Message no. 38
From: Mike Elkins <Mike_Elkins@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?-reply
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:24:22 -0400
>>Primer Runners is probably the most disliked. I've never heard anyone
say
>>anything positive about it.
>
>Never seen it. What, pray tell, is so bad about it?

It is one of the 5 sourcebooks I don't own, but it was a collection of NPCs
that one could use in a campaign. Listmembers have reported that they are:
poorly crafted from a game-mechanics point of view, unimaginative from a
game world point of view, and unuseful from a game mastering point of view.
That was enough for me to not bother picking it up.

Double-Domed Mike
Message no. 39
From: "M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?-reply
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:30:23 EDT
In a message dated 9/3/98 1:04:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Mike_Elkins@*********.COM writes:

> Primer Runners is probably the most
> disliked. I've never heard anyone say anything positive about it.

It burns nicely....

-Bandit
Message no. 40
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:34:32 -0400
Not to dogpile or anything...

At 07:50 AM 9/3/98 PDT, you wrote:

> bwa ha ha, right into my trap, somebody hasn't read their shadowrun
>companion, adepts DO get force it is = to their magic rating AND MAY NOT
>be raised (at that point) by anything other than raising their magic
>rating.

Item number one. Spike doesn't have the Companion, he is a relic that
still clings to the First Edition. Not necessarily a bad thing though.

> so ha

*sigh* And horrible formatting and spelling to boot.

>apparently in SR3 they can raise their FORCE rating with like 10 or 20
>karma or something.

"Apparently?" Son, you would have been better off if you had asked if this
is true instead of simply going upon rumor and hearsay. It is not 10
points. It is 20 Karma points that may be spent to purchase an additional
"power point" (adepts no longer receive Force Points, which was done to
eliminate any confusion between what they got and what magicians used to
get spells).

> of course anything i quote out of SR3 is most likely WRONg

Such is the case so far.

> anything i quote out of ANY other SR book is most likely RIGHT

Most likely right. Ouch. Such confidence, such humility.

Item number two, as was said by another, this is something that has to be
proven and earned.

Item number three, there are some rules in all editions of SR that are open
to some amount of interpretation. They are just a bit fuzzy that way.
Hard for anyone to always, even most likely, be right on these matters.

> MRhappyhtESMileyMAN

Not another kool d00d...

>*for all your ShadowRun FACTS*

Um, if I want facts, I'll got to the books. Or I'll ask FASA directly. Or
one of their authors such as Steve Kenson or Jon Setzo. And are you
referring specifically to the sort of rules lawyer stuff anyone can do with
sufficient time and effort or are you referring to other "facts" of the
Shadowrun universe? If you have all the "FACTS" then pray tell, what's the
current (2060) situation in the Middle East and which nations are still
around? What about SouthEast Asia? Begin to get my point?

Erik J.


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Message no. 41
From: Shaun Gilroy <shaung@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?-reply
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:33:53 -0400
At 01:24 PM 9/3/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>>Primer Runners is probably the most disliked. I've never heard anyone
>say
>>>anything positive about it.
>>
>>Never seen it. What, pray tell, is so bad about it?
>
>It is one of the 5 sourcebooks I don't own, but it was a collection of NPCs
>that one could use in a campaign. Listmembers have reported that they are:
>poorly crafted from a game-mechanics point of view, unimaginative from a
>game world point of view, and unuseful from a game mastering point of view.
>That was enough for me to not bother picking it up.
>
>Double-Domed Mike

Well,

A few of the NPCs in "Prime Runners" come out of Shadowrun Novels (i.e.
Martin DeVries), but most of the characters are rather buff statistically
and rather pedestrian on the rest of the details. Lazy GM that I am, I
would have used them anyway, if they didn't most happen to reside in exotic
places (like Queens, New York, UCAS -- who ever runs in Queens?). I've
used it several times, but find it falls short more often than not.
Rhonabwy (The Welsch[sp?] Great Western Dragon) is profiled in it, though.


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Message no. 42
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:41:53 -0400
At 01:17 PM 9/3/98 +0200, you wrote:
>Alfredo B Alves said on 0:53/3 Sep 98,...
>
>> Newbie? Phew. For a second I thought this was -THE- (in)famous
>> Cornholio ...
>
>No, that'd be "The GREAT Cornholio," if he still uses that nick. Anyway,
>he might be showing up again soon...

Oi. He might indeed. He asked me about the addy for the list last
weekend, but I haven't yet replied to that message (from my home addies).
Of course, he hasn't been around SR for far too long (it's all TSR nonsense
and I think Warhammer where he is now)...

Let's see, Herr Doom is back (but quiet), I wandered back, The GREAT
Cornholio may be returning...I think we are inching ever closer to the
Apocalypse folks...only Hayden and JD Falk left to go (though I seriously
doubt JD will ever return...*sigh*).

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Message no. 43
From: Matt T Ork <steelclaw@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?-reply
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:34:28 -0400
On Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:01:47 -0500 Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET> writes:

>Really? I kinda like Sprawl Sites, but that might be because (A) it was
>free, (B) I'm basically lazy and if I can grab a stock restaurant or bar
>description from somewhere it saves me the trouble of coming up with new
>inconsequential places for my runners to go, and (C) did I mention it
>was free? <g>

Gee. Guess I'm somewhat lucky to never have bought a book everyone
considers garbage. Well, there's CalFree, but it suits my purposes. And
CalFree was (to be repetitive) free for me, too. So ya can't go wrong...

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Message no. 44
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?-reply
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:01:38 -0400
At 12:11 PM 9/3/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>Primer Runners is probably the most
>>disliked. I've never heard anyone say anything positive about it.
>
>Never seen it. What, pray tell, is so bad about it?

Bunch of NPCs. Problem was, most of them were way too wimpy to be "Prime
Runners." And too many of them simply didn't fit in well with existing
campaigns. Generally, a waste of money, even more so than Sprawl Sites and
the Companion.

It irked me enough that I had paid for it that I collected, edited and
wrote the first incarnation of Edge Runners, which eventually became a
NERPS net.book. And while those PCs/NPCs might not be any easier to
integrate into existing games, they at least had the distinction of being
real-life characters being used in games.

Erik J.


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Message no. 45
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?-reply
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:02:36 -0400
At 11:22 AM 9/3/98 -0600, you wrote:

>/ i tend to see emails as hastily scribbled notes, rather than neat
>/ precise letters.

No, that is sloppy thinking. It needn't be perfectly spelled or have
textbook grammar, but some amount of thought and care should be integral to
the creation and writing of *any* missive. And frankly, you're e-mails
appear to be lacking in much thought or care.

>Yeah, pretty much :) Please keep in mind that subscription to this
>list is international and members for whom english is *not* a native
>language can have a hard time with non-standard punctuation, slang, and
>shorthand.

Key point and one that bears being repeated. Even those outside the US for
whom English is their native tongue or for those who are very fluent, there
are often differences in meaning and slang. Key example being our English
members.

>I am suddenly reminded of Nurse Wratchet, a long past ShadowRNer.
>She/He/They had the most unusual posts as the seperate personalities
>interjected comments into the post of the primary writer.

I had mercifully forgotten about those posts until just now...

>Now those were hard to read (but really fun and challenging :)

Honestly, they weren't fun. I very rarely could find a point to those
e-mails and when you are trying to plow through 250+ e-mails in the hour
you have between classes, those e-mails began to *really* piss me off. I
mean, imagine if Bull, Spike and Doctor Doom all shared a single brain and
body...

>The ShadowRN FAQ: http://coastnet.com/~dvixen/srnintro.html

Make sure you read it. Please.

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Message no. 46
From: Mike Buckalew <mike_buckalew@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?-reply
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:04:25 -0700
Double-Domed Mike stated:

> that it is instead the most ignored. Primer Runners is probably the most
> disliked. I've never heard anyone say anything positive about it.

I liked the cover art, it was done by Brom. I really enjoy Brom's work.

Buck (Mike Buckalew)
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Message no. 47
From: David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:46:15 -0400
On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Erik Jameson wrote:

->At 01:17 PM 9/3/98 +0200, you wrote:
->
->Let's see, Herr Doom is back (but quiet), I wandered back, The GREAT
->Cornholio may be returning...I think we are inching ever closer to the
->Apocalypse folks...only Hayden and JD Falk left to go (though I seriously
->doubt JD will ever return...*sigh*).

No, we're still safe as long as Spike stays with 1st edition....
when he changes.... be very frightened.

Fixer --------------} The easy I do before breakfast,
the difficult I do all day long,
the impossible only during the week,
and miracles performed on an as-needed basis....

Now tell me, what was your problem?
Message no. 48
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept? (fwd)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 21:44:23 +0100
And verily, did Gurth hastily scribble thusly...
|
|Spike said on 16:16/3 Sep 98,...
|
|> One more benefit I didn't put in the last one was, at least in the case of
|> Shadowrun II
| ^^^^^^^^^^^^
|
|Let's see... Stainless Steel Rat, Rob Hayden, Doctor Doom, Spike
|mentioning SRII as if he uses it... Yep, the world must truly be coming to
|an end now...
|
|:)

Oh, I never said I *USED* it, but that is how the 2nd grimy thing described
stuff. (And I do HAVE 2nd Ed....I just prefer 1st)

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Message no. 49
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?-reply
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 21:49:02 +0100
And verily, did David Buehrer hastily scribble thusly...
|I am suddenly reminded of Nurse Wratchet, a long past ShadowRNer.

Oh GOOD GRIEF!
MEMORIES!

Whatever happened to him/her/it/them anyway?

|She/He/They had the most unusual posts as the seperate personalities
|interjected comments into the post of the primary writer.

And they were, for the most part, absolutely HILARIOUS!
Well, we've got Doc Doom (Unless he's departed again), We've got Rat...
Y'never know who might come out of the woodwork....

|Now those were hard to read (but really fun and challenging :)

You can say that again...
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Message no. 50
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?-reply
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:03:45 +0100
And verily, did Erik Jameson hastily scribble thusly...
|>Now those were hard to read (but really fun and challenging :)
|
|Honestly, they weren't fun.

WEREN'T FUN? I loved those posts.
It wasn't until he mentioned him/her/it/them that I realised what's been
missing from the list for so long.

(I imagine he/she/it/they departed when I was off-list during the summer of
96....)


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Message no. 51
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:14:35 +0100
And verily, did David Foster hastily scribble thusly...
| No, we're still safe as long as Spike stays with 1st edition....
|when he changes.... be very frightened.

If that's a recent addition to the prophesy, I'm fine with it.
So, then JD and Hayden rejoin the list, I hold the world in my hands...

<Gigabyte>
The Power! THE POWER!!!
</Gigabyte>

Muhahahahaha!!!!

P.S. Can anyone on this list afford a 5 million dollar ransom?
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Message no. 52
From: "D. Ghost" <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:44:56 -0500
On Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:29:43 PDT Razor Girl <sprawlg@*******.COM> writes:
>The Physical Magician (PM) wasn't detailed in SR3. Here is my guess. PMs
>can increase the level of power points for adept powers to the limit of
>magic points spent on adept powers. EG: 3 magic points left for spell
>weaving and 3 points used for adept powers. Thus the adept abilities in
>this case would have an upper limit of 3. I see it this way, even though
>there is no true loss of magic stat, like one would get from damage or
>essence loss. The PM has only dedicated a part of their magical ability
>to his somatic powers. Until he dedicates more or initiates he is
>limited by his split of magical outlook.

Isn't this basicly straight from Awakenings (ie, unchanged)? Not that
there is anything bad about that...

>Also in some cases the adept powers are limited by the type of power
>(combat sense), governing statistic (increase ability), or GM whimsy.
>
>As to increasing magic abilities like an adept, nope. The rules for
>buying spells and foci would be no different for PMs.
<SNIP>

Of course they can buy more power points like an adept ... why wouldn't
they?

The 20 karma does NOT raise the adept's magic attribute. Therefore, A
PhysMage with Magic of 3 (Mage) / 3 (Adept) spends 20 karma to buy
another power point leaving him/her with a magic attribute of 3 (Mage) /
3 (Adept). The only difference is that the PhysMage in question has 4
instead 3 points to buy physical adept abilities ...

D. Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
o/` Trideo killed the Video Star ... o/`

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Message no. 53
From: "D. Ghost" <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:56:33 -0500
On Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:03:32 +0100 Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
writes:
>And verily, did Wilbur Cornholio hastily scribble thusly...

Spike: Hastily is the right ... :)

<SNIP>

>|adepts DO get force it is = to their magic rating AND MAY NOT
>|be raised (at that point) by anything other than raising their magic
>|rating.

>And what, pray tell, does a phys-ad do with these oooo so precious force

>points?
>Added to that the fact that I STILL DIDN'T MENTION FORCE IN MY ORIGINAL
>E-MAIL!

A physical adept can use Force Points to bond foci (ie, weapon foci) and,
that's -IT-. They do NOT buy powers with any force points they get at
char creation ...

<SNIP>
>|apparently in SR3 they can raise their FORCE rating with like 10 or 20
>|karma or something.

>Force? I think you mean the number of points they get for buying Phys-Ad
>powers? SO? That is still irrelevant to what *I* posted.

In SR3, Mages and Aspected Magicians get spell points which are the
equivelent of SR2's Force Points. Adepts (Physical Adepts are called
Adepts in SR3) do not get any Spell Points.
Adepts get a number of Power Points equal to their Magic Attribute and
can buy moree Power Points with karma ...

The Force Points Physical Adepts receive in the Shadowrun Companion are
only used to bond weapon foci.

>| of course anything i quote out of SR3 is most likely WRONg
>| anything i quote out of ANY other SR book is most likely RIGHT

Why is it that arrogance and ignorance walk hand in hand?

>OOOOO. OI! GURTH! YOU HAVE A (rather pitifull) RIVAL TO YOUR GURU
STATUS!
<SNIP Sig>
>| Andrew Halliwell
<SNIP Sig>

Bah. He doesn't even qualify for Guru-In-Training (G.I.T.) Status. If
it had just been a simply matter of misreading a portion of a book or
just misinterpreting someone's post or slipping up on the proper posting
style for ShadowRN, that would be excusable ... But to be -RUDE- about it
takes a real Twonk ...

Note: This was originally written before Wilbur Cornholio's appology and
I should have deleted the above paragraph ... However, I really liked the
GIT abbreviation and so I left the paragraph in. However, now that
Wilbur C. seems to be behaving politely, I formally retract the above
statement and additionally say to Wilbur (and all newcomers), "It's all
right if you screw up or get something wrong as long as you're polite
about it. If you're rude about anything, whether or not you are right
will be obscured by the offense. Now, everybody play nice, ok?"

D. Ghost
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Message no. 54
From: Randy Nickel <LrdDrgn@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 21:01:00 EDT
In a message dated 9/3/98 6:23:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dghost@****.COM
writes:

> You can only buy extra power points. buying extra power points does NOT
> raise your magic attribute. In other words, a Physical Adept with a
> Magic Attribute of 6 automatically gets 6 power points and decides to
> spend 20 karma to get 1 more power point. Afterwards, the Physical Adept
> has a Magic Attribute of 6 and 7 power points.
>

Which is good.

Because if they keep Initiation as it was (I doubt it) then you don't have to
pay an increased cost for the higher magic attribute.

Otter
Message no. 55
From: Randy Nickel <LrdDrgn@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?-reply
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 21:10:50 EDT
In a message dated 9/3/98 9:36:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
sommers@*****.UMICH.EDU writes:

> Generally people around here will treat you well, even if they disagree
> with you or point out a mistake that you have made. The trick is not to try
> to actively antagonize everyone on the list. At least until you're
> thouroughly ensconsed in the system ;)
>

Even then you just can still agree to disagree and leave it at that with out
resorting to name calling, mud slinging or just general nastiness.

Otter
Message no. 56
From: "Ratinac, Rand (NSW)" <RRatinac@*****.REDCROSS.ORG.AU>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?-reply
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:11:30 +1000
> > Generally people around here will treat you well, even if they
> disagree
> > with you or point out a mistake that you have made. The trick is
> not to try
> > to actively antagonize everyone on the list. At least until you're
> > thouroughly ensconsed in the system ;)
> >
>
> Even then you just can still agree to disagree and leave it at that
> with out
> resorting to name calling, mud slinging or just general nastiness.
>
> Otter
>
But that's half the fun!

Doc'
Message no. 57
From: David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: Whats the deal with the new adept?
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:55:39 -0400
On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Spike wrote:

->P.S. Can anyone on this list afford a 5 million dollar ransom?

Yeah, right! We're the guys who make a point of saying how we can
get SR books for free or minimal amounts..... try the alt.billionaires or
something... ]:-)

Fixer --------------} The easy I do before breakfast,
the difficult I do all day long,
the impossible only during the week,
and miracles performed on an as-needed basis....

Now tell me, what was your problem?

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