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Message no. 1
From: The Vagabond <nomad74@*******.COM>
Subject: What the hell is THAT?, pt. I
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 04:14:49 PDT
In the grand tradition of the "Droat", it high time we find out what
some of these things are in the newer SR books.

- The thing on the cover of the SRComp: Is that:
a) A Dwarf
b) A Troll
c) Other


- In the colored-laminated pages of Rigger 2, and you see a picture of
the smoke generator: Is the thing running in front of it:
a) A troll with four arms
b) A dwarf carrying another dwarf piggy-back
c) The artist was freebasing crack- and probably still is.


And folks, happy Easter/Passover/whatever holliday you think it is!
<g>

-Vagabond <nomad74@*******.com> <ICQ 4297972>
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Message no. 2
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: What the hell is THAT?, pt. I
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 13:11:09 -0400
Once upon a time, The Vagabond wrote;

>- The thing on the cover of the SRComp: Is that:
> b) A Troll

Did the beard confuse you?

>- In the colored-laminated pages of Rigger 2, and you see a picture of
>the smoke generator: Is the thing running in front of it:
> c) The artist was freebasing crack- and probably still is.

Yet again, what is the confusion.

What it looks like to me is some sort of twisted cyberlegs/vehicle
thingy. I won't try explain why or how it works because, well I can't. I
will say Baxa painted it and that's all.

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

"All artists are victims of their desire to be unique"
-Original source unknown

I am MC23
Message no. 3
From: NightLife <habenir@*****.UC.EDU>
Subject: Re: What the hell is THAT?, pt. I
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 14:37:46 +0000
> In the grand tradition of the "Droat", it high time we find out what
> some of these things are in the newer SR books.

Ok. ;)

> - The thing on the cover of the SRComp: Is that:
> a) A Dwarf
> b) A Troll
> c) Other

That Mr. Trebeck is B. What is a troll.


> - In the colored-laminated pages of Rigger 2, and you see a picture of
> the smoke generator: Is the thing running in front of it:
> a) A troll with four arms
> b) A dwarf carrying another dwarf piggy-back
> c) The artist was freebasing crack- and probably still is.

Mr. Trebeck is C. Who is the artist freebasing crack- and probably
still is. ;)

NightLife-who-is-feeeling-way-to-silly
> And folks, happy Easter/Passover/whatever holliday you think it is!
> <g>
>
> -Vagabond <nomad74@*******.com> <ICQ 4297972>
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Message no. 4
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: What the hell is THAT?, pt. I
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 13:51:21 -0500
> In the grand tradition of the "Droat", it high time we find out what
> some of these things are in the newer SR books.
>
> - The thing on the cover of the SRComp: Is that:
> a) A Dwarf
> b) A Troll
> c) Other

Troll or Other... its got horns.
Message no. 5
From: The Vagabond <nomad74@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: What the hell is THAT?, pt. I
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 13:14:44 PDT
>> In the grand tradition of the "Droat", it high time we find out
what
>> some of these things are in the newer SR books.
>>
>> - The thing on the cover of the SRComp: Is that:
>> a) A Dwarf
>> b) A Troll
>> c) Other
>
> Troll or Other... its got horns.
>
Yeah but... no tusks... no nodules... no bony dermal deposits. It
could be a dwarf that just got back from Renn Fest(where you can buy
horns) <g>

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Message no. 6
From: Paul Gettle <pgettle@********.NET>
Subject: Re: What the hell is THAT?, pt. I
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 16:42:34 -0400
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At 01:14 PM 4/12/98 -0700, Vagabond wrote:
>>> - The thing on the cover of the SRComp: Is that:
>>> a) A Dwarf
>>> b) A Troll
>>> c) Other
>>
>> Troll or Other... its got horns.
>>
> Yeah but... no tusks... no nodules... no bony dermal deposits.

Really High Quality Orthodontia.

and

You DON'T Want To See Him Take Off His Shirt.
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Message no. 7
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: What the hell is THAT?, pt. I
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 16:55:47 EDT
In a message dated 4/12/98 6:15:58 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
nomad74@*******.COM writes:

> In the grand tradition of the "Droat", it high time we find out what
> some of these things are in the newer SR books.
>
> - The thing on the cover of the SRComp: Is that:
> a) A Dwarf
> b) A Troll
> c) Other

I like the "other" option personally, but I woud be willing to bet it's an
Ork...for some reason I remember a "Horn" on the head. But Mike's copy is
missing ATM...

> - In the colored-laminated pages of Rigger 2, and you see a picture of
> the smoke generator: Is the thing running in front of it:
> a) A troll with four arms
> b) A dwarf carrying another dwarf piggy-back
> c) The artist was freebasing crack- and probably still is.

How about a person with a modified anthroform. Think of it as a variation on
the "wheel chair" idea. Better quickness if you wanted it.

Please note however, that those "smoke clouds" would make for some killer bud
(as a friend would say)...

> And folks, happy Easter/Passover/whatever holliday you think it is!
> <g>

You as well guy, Everyone for that matter...

-K
Message no. 8
From: Frank Pelletier <jeanpell@****.IVIC.QC.CA>
Subject: Re: What the hell is THAT?, pt. I
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 23:08:19 +0000
(snipped)

> > - In the colored-laminated pages of Rigger 2, and you see a picture of
> > the smoke generator: Is the thing running in front of it:
> > a) A troll with four arms
> > b) A dwarf carrying another dwarf piggy-back
> > c) The artist was freebasing crack- and probably still is.
>
> Mr. Trebeck is C. Who is the artist freebasing crack- and probably
> still is. ;)
>

Hell no... he was mainlining smack. I'm sure. :)

Come to think of it... Most RPGs have mediocre-to-fair art. Some stand
out (White Wolf on a good day, Fading Suns, Shadowrun) by
better-than-average art on most sourcebooks. But, as Vag kindly
demonstrated, some art is just... u-u-u-u-ugly. Not that I could do
better, mind you, just that FASA could do better.

*sigh* Hell, it all boils down to this... WHERE'S BRADSTREET? :)

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Message no. 9
From: NightLife <habenir@*****.UC.EDU>
Subject: Re: What the hell is THAT?, pt. I
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 02:22:14 +0000
> Hell no... he was mainlining smack. I'm sure. :)
>
> Come to think of it... Most RPGs have mediocre-to-fair art. Some stand
> out (White Wolf on a good day, Fading Suns, Shadowrun) by
> better-than-average art on most sourcebooks. But, as Vag kindly
> demonstrated, some art is just... u-u-u-u-ugly. Not that I could do
> better, mind you, just that FASA could do better.
>
> *sigh* Hell, it all boils down to this... WHERE'S BRADSTREET? :)

What I want to know is what ever happened to Rick Harris?

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"I am telling you nothing - merely asking you to remember that death come in
many shades. Some are harsh and infinitely painful to look upon; others can be
as peaceful and beautiful as the setting sun. I am an artist, and many colors
lie on upon my palette. Let me paint him a rainbow, and give you the means to
decide where it ends."

Erik from the book Phantom.
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Message no. 10
From: Caric <caric@********.COM>
Subject: Re: What the hell is THAT?, pt. I
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 22:48:09 -0700
> In the grand tradition of the "Droat", it high time we find out what
> some of these things are in the newer SR books.
>
> - The thing on the cover of the SRComp: Is that:
> a) A Dwarf
> b) A Troll
> c) Other

Troll named Grizzly, he's also a card in SRTCG.

> - In the colored-laminated pages of Rigger 2, and you see a picture of
> the smoke generator: Is the thing running in front of it:
> a) A troll with four arms
> b) A dwarf carrying another dwarf piggy-back
> c) The artist was freebasing crack- and probably still is.


Uhhhhh...b yeah I like b.

Caric-the-...-shaman
Message no. 11
From: Jason Hyatt <jhyatt@******.NET>
Subject: Re: What the hell is THAT?, pt. I
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 07:56:57 -0400
>> - In the colored-laminated pages of Rigger 2, and you see a picture
of
>> the smoke generator: Is the thing running in front of it:
>> a) A troll with four arms
>> b) A dwarf carrying another dwarf piggy-back
>> c) The artist was freebasing crack- and probably still is.


I just looked at it the middle appendages are the dwarfs legs then
theres some sort of extra legs below. Could this dome sort of odd
drone?
Message no. 12
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: What the hell is THAT?, pt. I
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 08:32:06 +0000
> > Come to think of it... Most RPGs have mediocre-to-fair art. Some stand
> > out (White Wolf on a good day, Fading Suns, Shadowrun) by
> > better-than-average art on most sourcebooks. But, as Vag kindly
> > demonstrated, some art is just... u-u-u-u-ugly. Not that I could do
> > better, mind you, just that FASA could do better.
> >
> > *sigh* Hell, it all boils down to this... WHERE'S BRADSTREET? :)
>
> What I want to know is what ever happened to Rick Harris?

What I want to know is: Why do NO trolls in SR have symettrical
horns. Just about every dual-horned critter in nature manages to
have basically symettrical horns, but not SR trolls. I had this
theory that it was an effect of goblinizing once you were an adult,
but I'm sick of these twisted horn uglies.

-=SwiftOne=-
Horn racist
Brett Borger
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Message no. 13
From: Wafflemeisters <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: What the hell is THAT?, pt. I
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:16:30 -0500
>
> What the hell is THAT?, pt. I (The Vagabond , Sun 6:14)
>
> In the grand tradition of the "Droat", it high time we find out what
> some of these things are in the newer SR books.

> - In the colored-laminated pages of Rigger 2, and you see a picture of
> the smoke generator: Is the thing running in front of it:
> a) A troll with four arms
> b) A dwarf carrying another dwarf piggy-back
> c) The artist was freebasing crack- and probably still is.
>

Its not a troll- no tusks or horns. I think it was once a human with
cyberlegs- now, it has lower limbs that lack hands, it seems to have
spines, its running from "smoke" that seems to bother some "ghouls"-
Budy, that's a BUG, and that ain't no smoke!

I'm no conisuire, but I don't think you can freebase crack - "freebase"
implies "base", IE, cocaine which has not been made into rocks.

Rocks are reserved for the writters, not the artists. Certain writters
get "The big rocks", like some of those involved in the "Missions"
book.

The artists only get Crystal Meth, whicdistortstourpercetionmoreanyhow,
butgivesyou the intensity needed torenderitinfantistic detail (see;
Laubenstien).

NotthatI'dknow.

-Mongoose
Message no. 14
From: Stephen Delear <c715591@******.MISSOURI.EDU>
Subject: Re: What the hell is THAT?, pt. I
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:57:23 -0500
At 07:56 AM 98-04-13 -0400, you wrote:
>>> - In the colored-laminated pages of Rigger 2, and you see a picture
>of
>>> the smoke generator: Is the thing running in front of it:
>>> a) A troll with four arms
>>> b) A dwarf carrying another dwarf piggy-back
>>> c) The artist was freebasing crack- and probably still is.
>
>
>I just looked at it the middle appendages are the dwarfs legs then
>theres some sort of extra legs below. Could this dome sort of odd
>drone?
>

Speaking of bad art who here thinks the front of Rigger 2 should have been
replaced with the last color glossy page. I think they must have picked
the one that run purelly on the scantally clad woman factor.

SteveD
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the shutter" Ansel Adams
Message no. 15
From: Alexia Silverstein <alexia_silverstein@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: What the hell is THAT?, pt. I
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:33:44 -0700
---Stephen Delear <c715591@******.MISSOURI.EDU> wrote:
>
> At 07:56 AM 98-04-13 -0400, you wrote:
> >>> - In the colored-laminated pages of Rigger 2, and you see a
picture
> >of
> >>> the smoke generator: Is the thing running in front of it:
> >>> a) A troll with four arms
> >>> b) A dwarf carrying another dwarf piggy-back
> >>> c) The artist was freebasing crack- and probably still is.
> >
> >
> >I just looked at it the middle appendages are the dwarfs legs then
> >theres some sort of extra legs below. Could this dome sort of odd
> >drone?
> >
>
> Speaking of bad art who here thinks the front of Rigger 2 should
have been
> replaced with the last color glossy page. I think they must have
picked
> the one that run purelly on the scantally clad woman factor.
>
> SteveD
> Stephen Delear
> University of Missouri-Columbia
> Check out my Photo Message Board at http://www.missouri.edu/~c715591
> "Sometimes I do get to places just when God's ready to have somebody
click
> the shutter" Ansel Adams
>

Tipical
==
Alexia Silverstein
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Message no. 16
From: Geoff Morochnick <bodiam@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: What the hell is THAT?, pt. I
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:48:34 -0400
> >>> - In the colored-laminated pages of Rigger 2, and you see a picture
> >of
> >>> the smoke generator: Is the thing running in front of it:
> >>> a) A troll with four arms
> >>> b) A dwarf carrying another dwarf piggy-back
> >>> c) The artist was freebasing crack- and probably still is.
> >
> >
> >I just looked at it the middle appendages are the dwarfs legs then
> >theres some sort of extra legs below. Could this dome sort of odd
> >drone?
> >
>
> Speaking of bad art who here thinks the front of Rigger 2 should have been
> replaced with the last color glossy page. I think they must have picked
> the one that run purelly on the scantally clad woman factor.
>
> SteveD

You're probably right, though one should never underestimate the scantily-clad
woman factor....

--
G.I. Morochnick
[Life] tends to pick on everyone.
You just notice it more when it's you.
Michael Harrison
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Message no. 17
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: What the hell is THAT?, pt. I
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:53:27 EDT
In a message dated 4/13/98 3:58:06 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
c715591@******.MISSOURI.EDU writes:

> Speaking of bad art who here thinks the front of Rigger 2 should have been
> replaced with the last color glossy page. I think they must have picked
> the one that run purelly on the scantally clad woman factor.
>
On -THAT- topic, just don't ask Jon Szeto to explain the cover. He'd probably
kill the person. I know he's considered, or at least been heavily prodded to
take out his revenge, upon the artist.

So Jon, just how -IS- Josie Cruise these days???

-K (ramming speed for the stairs attained!!!!!)
Message no. 18
From: The Vagabond <nomad74@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: What the hell is THAT?, pt. I
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:43:53 PDT
>Speaking of bad art who here thinks the front of Rigger 2 should have
been
>replaced with the last color glossy page. I think they must have
picked
>the one that run purelly on the scantally clad woman factor.

Not only does sex sell, but I think they wanted to capture the
essence of what a Rigger is- which is drones and vehicles, and it gives
that whole power thing.
I agree it isn't a good cover piece, but neither is the one you
suggest... come to think of it, I don't think any of them are. Maybe
they should have done some sort of collage thing, I dunno- that's why
I'm not the art editor. :)


-Vagabond <nomad74@*******.com> <ICQ 4297972>
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Message no. 19
From: "Ryan W. Bolduan" <emeottrw@***.MRS.UMN.EDU>
Subject: Re: What the hell is THAT?, pt. I
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 06:42:19 -0500
On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, The Vagabond wrote:

> >Speaking of bad art who here thinks the front of Rigger 2 should have
> been
> >replaced with the last color glossy page. I think they must have
> picked
> >the one that run purelly on the scantally clad woman factor.
>
> Not only does sex sell, but I think they wanted to capture the
> essence of what a Rigger is- which is drones and vehicles, and it gives
> that whole power thing.
> I agree it isn't a good cover piece, but neither is the one you
> suggest... come to think of it, I don't think any of them are. Maybe
> they should have done some sort of collage thing, I dunno- that's why
> I'm not the art editor. :)
>
>
> -Vagabond <nomad74@*******.com> <ICQ 4297972>

I kind of like the picture of the female pilot (with the dragon out the
window). I can't remember what it was called, but I always thought that
would have made a good cover.

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