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Message no. 1
From: Forbidden Delirium <fdelirum@****.NET>
Subject: What would the CZ be like after a year?
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 14:06:34 -0500
What does everybody think the CZ would be like after a year? Would the
UCAS have stopped air dropping supplies? Would the dormant bugs have
swarmed again and pushed the Wall back a few blocks? Would there be any
end in sight to the UCAS military Chicago CZ? I was just sorta wondering
as I plan on running a few inserts into Chicago but my game is placed in
the very beginning of 2057, and while I can just change the dates (I'm
already changing a lot of things in the book to fit more to what I feel
would work), but I'd like to get your opinion on it first. :)

fd
Message no. 2
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowrn@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: What would the CZ be like after a year?
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 23:41:28 +0000
In message <3.0.32.19961224140622.00f89ba8@****.net>, Forbidden Delirium
<fdelirum@****.NET> writes
> What does everybody think the CZ would be like after a year?

Pretty damn desperate. No power, no fuel, no winter clothing, ammo rarer
than gold. A really bad place to be.

>Would the
>UCAS have stopped air dropping supplies?

No. Too many people depending on that lifeline.

>Would the dormant bugs have
>swarmed again and pushed the Wall back a few blocks?

Nope, unless they like mass carnage. They'll either break out completely
or have a few score slaughtered. The guards on the Wall, and their
backup, are getting experienced.

>Would there be any
>end in sight to the UCAS military Chicago CZ?

Not yet.

--
There are four kinds of homicide: felonious, excusable, justifiable and
praiseworthy...

Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk
Message no. 3
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: What would the CZ be like after a year?
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 12:26:03 +0100
Forbidden Delirium said on 14:06/24 Dec 96...

> What does everybody think the CZ would be like after a year? Would the
> UCAS have stopped air dropping supplies? Would the dormant bugs have
> swarmed again and pushed the Wall back a few blocks? Would there be any
> end in sight to the UCAS military Chicago CZ?

I think the idea is that that's up to each GM to decide, but that it
stays more or less a stalemate between the UCAS and the bugs. One thing
working against the UCAS is the cost of keeping the defense up -- an army
costs plenty of money to keep in the field (especially if it has lots of
magicians, like this one), and air-dropped supplies aren't cheap either.
Maybe a good analogy is the Western Front in 1915-17 -- both sides mount
offensives from time to time, but neither really gets anywhere because the
other side is entrenched too well.

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Message no. 4
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: What would the CZ be like after a year?
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 07:51:24 -0700
Paul J. Adam wrote:
|
| In message <3.0.32.19961224140622.00f89ba8@****.net>, Forbidden Delirium
| <fdelirum@****.NET> writes
|
| >Would there be any
| >end in sight to the UCAS military Chicago CZ?
|
| Not yet.

Here's an evil adventure idea.

Insects need human hosts to procreate.

A group (government, corp, private, whatever) figures that
eliminating the human population within the Chicago CZ is
the only way to beat the bugs (just like taking away an
enemy's resources). So they hire the runners to deliver a
package to someone within the CZ. Use whatever plausible
story you can come up with. The package is really a
biological, or chemical, weapon, with the sole purpose of
wiping out the human population of the CZ. The army
surrounding the CZ will be notified before (or when) the
device is set off, so they can protect themselves.

This one is pretty open-ended and could be a lot of fun.

-David

/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\ dbuehrer@****.org /^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\
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alliances like underpants in a dryer without Cling Free."
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Message no. 5
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: What would the CZ be like after a year?
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 01:14:05 -0500
> A group (government, corp, private, whatever) figures that
> eliminating the human population within the Chicago CZ is
> the only way to beat the bugs (just like taking away an
> enemy's resources). So they hire the runners to deliver a
> package to someone within the CZ. Use whatever plausible
> story you can come up with. The package is really a
> biological, or chemical, weapon, with the sole purpose of
> wiping out the human population of the CZ. The army
> surrounding the CZ will be notified before (or when) the
> device is set off, so they can protect themselves.

Personally I'd use the good old neutron bomb.
Kills ALL life in the blast zone, but in oh, say . . . a day or two you're
ready to move into the new turf!
Sure, this one is still fiction, and very likely impractical, but that's
the beauty, the UCAS could use the CZ for a test site, and then you have a
perfect cop out if you decide NOT to kill everyone.

"Oh, it was a prototype. Very experimental. We weren't sure it would work
at all."

Neat idea!

Steven A. Tinner
bluewizard@*****.com
http://www.ncweb.com./users/bluewizard
Message no. 6
From: Tim Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: What would the CZ be like after a year?
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 22:42:07 -0800
On Thu, 26 Dec 1996, David Buehrer wrote:

> Paul J. Adam wrote:
> |
> | In message <3.0.32.19961224140622.00f89ba8@****.net>, Forbidden Delirium
> | <fdelirum@****.NET> writes
> |
> | >Would there be any
> | >end in sight to the UCAS military Chicago CZ?
> |
> | Not yet.
>
> Here's an evil adventure idea.
>
> Insects need human hosts to procreate.
>
> A group (government, corp, private, whatever) figures that
> eliminating the human population within the Chicago CZ is
> the only way to beat the bugs (just like taking away an
> enemy's resources). So they hire the runners to deliver a
> package to someone within the CZ. Use whatever plausible
> story you can come up with. The package is really a
> biological, or chemical, weapon, with the sole purpose of
> wiping out the human population of the CZ. The army
> surrounding the CZ will be notified before (or when) the
> device is set off, so they can protect themselves.
>
> This one is pretty open-ended and could be a lot of fun.
>
> -David

Works for me. :)
It also puts the PC's in an interesting moral cross-roads, do they go
along with the plan and hopefully rid the 'bug problem' figuring that the
CZ population is ajustifiable casualty, or do they take the 'high-road'
and protect the innocent's lives...or do they simply do it for the money
(or turn around and sell the bio-weapon to some toxic shamans for major
nuyen..)
fun, fun, fun...
<BEG>

~Tim
Message no. 7
From: Peter Coxon <coxoff@***.COM>
Subject: Re: What would the CZ be like after a year?
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 21:36:54 UT
<Snip Dave being an evil sod>
great Idea, but in burning bright, they actually had the solution, thanx to
lowfry (spelling?) and saeder krump, super powerful bug spray, with a nasty
side effect (ie it's toxic to meta/humans) I suppose you could have a member
of SK get them to take this in......bit obvious who it was though....
the-great-hole-finder-tim ntoo
Message no. 8
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: What would the CZ be like after a year?
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 15:26:23 +0000
On 26 Dec 96 at 7:51, David Buehrer wrote:
[snip]
> Here's an evil adventure idea.
>
> Insects need human hosts to procreate.
[sniped idea]
David, that idea just changed the course of my campaign. My players will hate
you, I promise (well... will take me some time to get there, but it _will_
come... and I know I will inform them who is responsible for _that_ twist :-)
Thanx a lot!

Sascha
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Message no. 9
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: What would the CZ be like after a year?
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 09:55:41 -0700
Sascha Pabst wrote:
|
| On 26 Dec 96 at 7:51, David Buehrer wrote:
| [snip]
| > Here's an evil adventure idea.
| >
| > Insects need human hosts to procreate.
| [sniped idea]
| David, that idea just changed the course of my campaign. My players will hate
| you, I promise (well... will take me some time to get there, but it _will_
| come... and I know I will inform them who is responsible for _that_ twist :-)
| Thanx a lot!
|
| Sascha

You are very welcome. Us GMs gotta stick together and help
eachother out :)

(And don't worry about your players hating me. My players
already do, what difference could a few more make? :)

-David

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alliances like underpants in a dryer without Cling Free."
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