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Message no. 1
From: datwinkdaddy@*******.com (Da Twink Daddy)
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 20:51:04 -0600
----- Original Message -----
From: "Justin Bell" <justin@******.net>

> > Speaking of which, aren't dragons supposed to be able to
breed
> > with all Namegivers, resulting in immortals of all metatypes? And
if so,
> > where are they?

> if you were a dragon, and could breed with all Namegivers, who would
you
> bed? an Ork or an Elf?

Well, there's multiple things to consider here. First of all, way are
you bedding him/her? If it is because of some long-lasting, loving
relationship, well, you'd probably be most likely to have this with an
elf, since they live the longest and don't become fleeting memories so
quickly.

However, depending on your tastes as a dragon, you may want to
casually "wrestle" with a strong ork woman, or one of those cute, yet
fiery dwarf chicas or to feel the *ahem* power of a troll male.

Also, I could certainly understand a dragon "falling in love" with any
of the metatypes, and having an immortal child. If for no other
reason, but as a permanent, tangible memory of the one they loved.

[Me? I'd go human/elf/dwarf.]

Da Twink Daddy
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Message no. 2
From: sf_fuller@********.com.au (Simon & Fiona)
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 13:59:18 +1100
----- Original Message -----
From: Da Twink Daddy <datwinkdaddy@*******.com>
To: Shadowrun Discussion <shadowrn@*****.dumpshock.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 1:51 PM
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)



> > if you were a dragon, and could breed with all Namegivers, who would
> you
> > bed? an Ork or an Elf?
>
> Well, there's multiple things to consider here. First of all, way are
> you bedding him/her? If it is because of some long-lasting, loving
> relationship, well, you'd probably be most likely to have this with an
> elf, since they live the longest and don't become fleeting memories so
> quickly.
>
> However, depending on your tastes as a dragon, you may want to
> casually "wrestle" with a strong ork woman, or one of those cute, yet
> fiery dwarf chicas or to feel the *ahem* power of a troll male.
>
> Also, I could certainly understand a dragon "falling in love" with any
> of the metatypes, and having an immortal child. If for no other
> reason, but as a permanent, tangible memory of the one they loved.
>
> [Me? I'd go human/elf/dwarf.]
>

Dragons are all lumpy and tusky, so are orks and trolls. Maybe dragons find
goblins more attractive than those gross smooth elves. I can't imagine a
dragon *deciding* to enter a long term relationship with any metahuman, none
live long enough or are strong enough. And love is blind.
Message no. 3
From: nightgyr@*********.com.au (GreyWolf)
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:18:24 +1100
> Dragons are all lumpy and tusky, so are orks and trolls. Maybe dragons
find
> goblins more attractive than those gross smooth elves. I can't imagine a
> dragon *deciding* to enter a long term relationship with any metahuman,
none
> live long enough or are strong enough. And love is blind.
>

Yeah, It'd be like Superman and Lios (in the movies not the TV series) if he
hadnt "lost" his power(s). He was so strong he'd have caused immesurable
harm if he'd gone the rumpy pumpy with her frail little human self (...or so
they said somewhere).

Makes you rethink those troll/human pairings doesnt it?

GreyWolf
Message no. 4
From: datwinkdaddy@*******.com (Da Twink Daddy)
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 21:09:52 -0600
----- Original Message -----
From: "Simon & Fiona" <sf_fuller@********.com.au>

> Dragons are all lumpy and tusky, so are orks and trolls. Maybe
dragons find
> goblins more attractive than those gross smooth elves. I can't
imagine a
> dragon *deciding* to enter a long term relationship with any
metahuman, none
> live long enough or are strong enough. And love is blind.

Well, I was under the impression that some (most?) dragons can take
meta-human form when desired. So, they'd just pick the "body style"
they find most attractive and assume a form attractive/similar to that
race. Also, I don't know what you mean by "strong enough" but, the
live long enough has got to be an issue. I'd think twice about loving
someone a score of years older than me just because I'd be without
them for so long. This problem is horrifically exaggerated when
dealing the dragon/metahuman relationships. But, then again, you
don't usually get to pick with whom you fall in love.

Da Twink Daddy
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Message no. 5
From: christopherbeilby@***.net (Chris Beilby)
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 22:31:26 -0500
> Dragons are all lumpy and tusky, so are orks and trolls. Maybe dragons
find
> goblins more attractive than those gross smooth elves. I can't imagine a
> dragon *deciding* to enter a long term relationship with any metahuman,
none
> live long enough or are strong enough. And love is blind.

Dragons can shapeshift into metahuman form.
Message no. 6
From: korishinzo@*****.com (Ice Heart)
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:56:56 -0800 (PST)
> Yeah, It'd be like Superman and Lios (in the movies not the TV
> series) if he hadnt "lost" his power(s). He was so strong he'd have
> caused immesurable harm if he'd gone the rumpy pumpy with her frail
> little human self (...or so they said somewhere).

T'was Zelazny I believe, who broke down the biological
impossibilities.

> Makes you rethink those troll/human pairings doesnt it?

I believe it was Vasdenjas, while dictating "Creatures of Barsaive",
who said he found most Name-givers (metahumans) to look like a soft
worm with hair on one end. This was delivered in a rather disgusted
tone, while discussing the appearance of the naga. If that
particular dragon's attitude is at all shared by other dragons, I
seriously doubt methuman lovers would be chosen by virtue of their
appearance. Any such union would likely be the result of some
involved, long-term, and >ahem< draconian plot. Long lived offspring
of dragon/metahuman unions might serve some pivotal role in the
dragon's plans. There is one such child who crops up in a number of
Earthdawn adventures, though the ED metaplot never advanced far
enough that we are told her pivotal role.

In any case, dragon psychology, especially as revealed in Earthdawn,
makes it VERY unlikely they would "fall in love" with a metahuman.
That would be akin to one of us falling in love with a dolphin or
cocker spaniel. Even if we could shapechange into a biologically
compatable form for procreation, they would still be pets.

Now, t'skrang...reptilian humanoids...betcha a few dragons back in
the 4th age found themself in moral quandry over a sexy t'skrang here
and there. ;)

======Korishinzo
--chuckling

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Message no. 7
From: sf_fuller@********.com.au (Simon & Fiona)
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:47:45 +1100
----- Original Message -----
From: Da Twink Daddy <datwinkdaddy@*******.com>
To: Shadowrun Discussion <shadowrn@*****.dumpshock.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)


>Also, I don't know what you mean by "strong enough" but, the
> live long enough has got to be an issue. I'd think twice about loving
> someone a score of years older than me just because I'd be without
> them for so long. This problem is horrifically exaggerated when
> dealing the dragon/metahuman relationships. But, then again, you
> don't usually get to pick with whom you fall in love.
>

That's love, which is blind and doesn't give a damn about logic. I was
talking about a dragon choosing to enter a relationship. You can fall in
love with someone much older than yourself despite knowing that they'll die
long before you do, but that doesn't mean you read through the personal ads
in the retirement village newsletter.
Message no. 8
From: sf_fuller@********.com.au (Simon & Fiona)
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:52:08 +1100
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Beilby <christopherbeilby@***.net>
To: Shadowrun Discussion <shadowrn@*****.dumpshock.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)


> Dragons can shapeshift into metahuman form.
>

Doesn't mean much. Even when they look like a human, they're still a dragon
with a dragon's sensibilities. If their partner can't belch fire, tear open
a tank with one claw, or even launch a casual force 18 hellblast without
their head popping like a blood blister, then the dragon's not going to stay
interested. Unless it is in love, which is a different story.
Message no. 9
From: mamos@*****.com (Mike Amos)
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 08:09:37 -0700
What about Dragon scheming? It would seem potentially benificial to have
Immortal offspring of various races who would love and protect dear old
mom/dad. Considering the dragon could off the other parent and raise the
children as a sole parent. He/She would be able to make an army very capable
and loyal servants from from his offspring.

Besides it could make a cool plot device. The groups favorite fixer is
withthem for years, but never seems to age. He/She always seems to have
contacts that are stretched as far as the eye can see. Yet the fixer is an
ork, so he/she can't be immortal. In the end it turns out the fixer is
immortal and the son/daughter of a dragon. So the players have been
indirectly working for a dragon the whole time.
Message no. 10
From: justin@******.net (Justin Bell)
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 10:18:03 -0500
Mike Amos said the following on 2/6/2003 10:09 AM:
> What about Dragon scheming? It would seem potentially benificial to have
> Immortal offspring of various races who would love and protect dear old
> mom/dad. Considering the dragon could off the other parent and raise the
> children as a sole parent. He/She would be able to make an army very capable
> and loyal servants from from his offspring.
>
> Besides it could make a cool plot device. The groups favorite fixer is
> withthem for years, but never seems to age. He/She always seems to have
> contacts that are stretched as far as the eye can see. Yet the fixer is an
> ork, so he/she can't be immortal. In the end it turns out the fixer is
> immortal and the son/daughter of a dragon. So the players have been
> indirectly working for a dragon the whole time.

Hmmm, this has started an interesting thought in my mind. How would a
child be born by a female dragon/meta mating? Do dragons lay eggs?
Message no. 11
From: mamos@*****.com (Mike Amos)
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 08:19:33 -0700
> Hmmm, this has started an interesting thought in my mind. How would a
> child be born by a female dragon/meta mating? Do dragons lay eggs?

Oh that is a tough one. Well I suppose I would leave that GM discretion
(assuming the dragon was the female).
Message no. 12
From: justin@******.net (Justin Bell)
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 10:23:21 -0500
Mike Amos said the following on 2/6/2003 10:19 AM:
>>Hmmm, this has started an interesting thought in my mind. How would a
>>child be born by a female dragon/meta mating? Do dragons lay eggs?
>
>
> Oh that is a tough one. Well I suppose I would leave that GM discretion
> (assuming the dragon was the female).
>


Oops. Yeah, that's what I meant. female dragon
Message no. 13
From: christopherbeilby@***.net (Chris Beilby)
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 12:26:20 -0500
----- Original Message -----
From: "Justin Bell" <justin@******.net>
To: "Shadowrun Discussion" <shadowrn@*****.dumpshock.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)


>
>
> Mike Amos said the following on 2/6/2003 10:09 AM:
> > What about Dragon scheming? It would seem potentially benificial to have
> > Immortal offspring of various races who would love and protect dear old
> > mom/dad. Considering the dragon could off the other parent and raise the
> > children as a sole parent. He/She would be able to make an army very
capable
> > and loyal servants from from his offspring.
> >
> > Besides it could make a cool plot device. The groups favorite fixer is
> > withthem for years, but never seems to age. He/She always seems to have
> > contacts that are stretched as far as the eye can see. Yet the fixer is
an
> > ork, so he/she can't be immortal. In the end it turns out the fixer is
> > immortal and the son/daughter of a dragon. So the players have been
> > indirectly working for a dragon the whole time.
>
> Hmmm, this has started an interesting thought in my mind. How would a
> child be born by a female dragon/meta mating? Do dragons lay eggs?
>
>

Yes. I believe that, in Earthdawn, it states that Immortals are the
offspring of Dragons mating with Namegivers (Metahumans)
Message no. 14
From: anders@**********.com (Anders Swenson)
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 09:28:49 -0800
On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 08:19:33 -0700
Mike Amos <mamos@*****.com> wrote:
> > Hmmm, this has started an interesting thought in my mind. How would a
> > child be born by a female dragon/meta mating? Do dragons lay eggs?
>
> Oh that is a tough one. Well I suppose I would leave that GM discretion
> (assuming the dragon was the female).

I would suppose that it would do whatever the Dragon wanted at the time.
Probably a normal gestation for a (meta)human child, maybe a proper egg for a
draconic child.
--Anders
Message no. 15
From: loneeagle@********.co.uk (Lone Eagle)
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 17:53:39 +0000
At 12:52 AM 6/2/2003, Simon & Fiona wrote:
> > Dragons can shapeshift into metahuman form.
>
>Doesn't mean much. Even when they look like a human, they're still a dragon
>with a dragon's sensibilities. If their partner can't belch fire, tear open
>a tank with one claw, or even launch a casual force 18 hellblast without
>their head popping like a blood blister, then the dragon's not going to stay
>interested. Unless it is in love, which is a different story.

On the other hand, if you walk around as a human for long enough you start
to get used to it, especially if you try to fit in. You start to approach
problems as a human, albeit a human who can hurl a force eighteen hellblast
without their head popping like a blood blister. Eventually you start
thinking like a human.
It's Terry Pratchett's Morphic Field if you like.
It works better with elves because the amount of time it's going to take a
dragon to give in to its Morphic Field is going to have most humans gone to
dust.


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Message no. 16
From: Gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 19:13:19 +0100
According to Mike Amos, on Thu, 06 Feb 2003 the word on the street was...

> Besides it could make a cool plot device. The groups favorite fixer is
> withthem for years, but never seems to age.

You mean it's just a regular elf? (Elves seem to stop aging at about 20.)

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Message no. 17
From: mamos@*****.com (Mike Amos)
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:22:48 -0700
> You mean it's just a regular elf? (Elves seem to stop aging
> at about 20.)

That's kinda the point though, you might expect that from an elf. Imagine
knowing a Ork for 35 years and he never seems to get older, wouldn't that
make you wonder. You could spend a little of your downtime digging into his
past. After a few years your start to find a string of IDs that all seem
interconnected. You start catching him making references to things he
shouldn't be old enough to know.

Seems like there is a lot of down time adventure opportunites there. In the
long run you find out he's the agent of a dragon. Dependingon the players
they could try to black mail the dragon, actually meet the dragon, or save
up a couple favors to this dragon that they can call in when really needed.

It's just a possible plot hook idea. Depending on your group they couldpaly
an entire campaign that way and never raise an eyebrow about it. Their loss
Message no. 18
From: datwinkdaddy@*******.com (Da Twink Daddy)
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 14:50:31 -0600
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anders Swenson" <anders@**********.com>

> Mike Amos <mamos@*****.com> wrote:

> > > Hmmm, this has started an interesting thought in my mind. How
would a
> > > child be born by a female dragon/meta mating? Do dragons lay
eggs?

> > Oh that is a tough one. Well I suppose I would leave that GM
discretion
> > (assuming the dragon was the female).

> I would suppose that it would do whatever the Dragon wanted at the
time.
> Probably a normal gestation for a (meta)human child.

I'm not sure, even if the dragon had big plans, that it would leave
itself in meta-human form for the months it takes to gestate a child.
But, I'm a little fuzzy on how shape-shifting works while pregnant.
;)

Da Twink Daddy
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ICQ# 514984
Message no. 19
From: justin@******.net (Justin Bell)
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 16:10:37 -0500
Da Twink Daddy said the following on 2/6/2003 3:50 PM:

> I'm not sure, even if the dragon had big plans, that it would leave
> itself in meta-human form for the months it takes to gestate a child.
> But, I'm a little fuzzy on how shape-shifting works while pregnant.

and what about shape-shifting involuntarily while climaxing... but
that's a whole nother story
Message no. 20
From: loneeagle@********.co.uk (Lone Eagle)
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 21:13:49 +0000
At 09:10 PM 6/2/2003, Justin wrote:
>>I'm not sure, even if the dragon had big plans, that it would leave
>>itself in meta-human form for the months it takes to gestate a child.
>>But, I'm a little fuzzy on how shape-shifting works while pregnant.
>
>and what about shape-shifting involuntarily while climaxing... but that's
>a whole nother story

IMO it works the same way as Manabolting your lover, it doesn't happen.


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Message no. 21
From: bandwidthoracle@*********.net (Bandwidth Oracle)
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:47:24 -0700
On Thursday, February 6, 2003, at 08:18 AM, Justin Bell wrote:
> Hmmm, this has started an interesting thought in my mind. How would a
> child be born by a female dragon/meta mating? Do dragons lay eggs?
We actually had someone ask that. I decided that dragons gave life
birth because they take can shapechange, also things where all ready
strange enough with players asking these questions. I didn't want to
delve any farther into the topic of draconic reproduction (And
generally everyone knows how live birth happens).

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The duck raises an excellent point.
Message no. 22
From: ValeuJ@*************.navy.mil (Valeu John EMFA)
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 12:14:34 -0800
> >> Hmmm, this has started an interesting thought in my mind. How would a
> >> child be born by a female dragon/meta mating? Do dragons lay eggs?
>We actually had someone ask that. I decided that dragons gave life
>birth because they take can shapechange, also things where all ready
>strange enough with players asking these questions. I didn't want to
>delve any farther into the topic of draconic reproduction (And
>generally everyone knows how live birth happens).

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In the adventure set, "Shadows of the Underworld" You do have to deal with
a Great Dragon and his Egg. We always figured that dragons laid eggs, but
the real question was how does a regular dragon become "Great"? Especially
since Dunky said that Masru was the youngest (and it's his egg you're
dealing with).
Message no. 23
From: SteveG@***********.co.za (Steve Garrard)
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 17:43:24 +0200
Bandwidth Oracle wrote:
> On Thursday, February 6, 2003, at 08:18 AM, Justin Bell wrote:
> > Hmmm, this has started an interesting thought in my mind.
> How would a
> > child be born by a female dragon/meta mating? Do dragons lay eggs?
> We actually had someone ask that. I decided that dragons gave life
> birth because they take can shapechange, also things where all ready
> strange enough with players asking these questions. I didn't want to
> delve any farther into the topic of draconic reproduction (And
> generally everyone knows how live birth happens).

Well you're dealing with what is essentially a reptile, so I'd imagine it
would be egg-laying.


Slayer

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Message no. 24
From: mamos@*****.com (Mike Amos)
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 08:50:05 -0700
> Well you're dealing with what is essentially a reptile, so
> I'd imagine it
> would be egg-laying.

Due to the immense poser and complexity of dragons I would still leave it up
to the GM. I think eggs are the logical biological conclusion, but when
dealing with SR dragons it's not all about biology
Message no. 25
From: justin@******.net (Justin Bell)
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 10:52:47 -0500
Mike Amos said the following on 2/7/2003 10:50 AM:
>>Well you're dealing with what is essentially a reptile, so
>>I'd imagine it
>>would be egg-laying.
>
>
> Due to the immense poser and complexity of dragons I would still leave it up
> to the GM. I think eggs are the logical biological conclusion, but when
> dealing with SR dragons it's not all about biology

Wasn't there a dragons source book for Earthdawn? What did that say
about reproduction and how to become a Great form?
Message no. 26
From: loneeagle@********.co.uk (Lone Eagle)
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 16:31:51 +0000
At 08:14 PM 7/2/2003, John wrote:
> > >> Hmmm, this has started an interesting thought in my mind. How would a
> > >> child be born by a female dragon/meta mating? Do dragons lay eggs?
> >We actually had someone ask that. I decided that dragons gave life
> >birth because they take can shapechange, also things where all ready
> >strange enough with players asking these questions. I didn't want to
> >delve any farther into the topic of draconic reproduction (And
> >generally everyone knows how live birth happens).

I'd say it depends on the mother: meta mother, live birth. Dragon mother, egg.
AFAIK dragons lay clutches of eggs, no matter the number of eggs in a
clutch however only one "child" survives, the first to hatch destroying the
rest of the eggs in the clutch... Survival of the Fittest.

>We always figured that dragons laid eggs, but
>the real question was how does a regular dragon become "Great"?

I always figured that they were two different species coexisting, in the
same was as Homo Sapiens and Neanderthal man were at one point but with
civilisation and understanding between the two.
But we may find that the answers to all of these questions and more are in
"Dragons of the Sixth World" which IIRC is due for release pretty soon.


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Message no. 27
From: shadowrun@********.net (Augustus)
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:23:10 -0800
----- Original Message -----
From: "Justin Bell" <justin@******.net>
>
>
> Mike Amos said the following on 2/7/2003 10:50 AM:
> >>Well you're dealing with what is essentially a reptile, so
> >>I'd imagine it
> >>would be egg-laying.
> >
> >
> > Due to the immense poser and complexity of dragons I would still leave
it up
> > to the GM. I think eggs are the logical biological conclusion, but when
> > dealing with SR dragons it's not all about biology
>
> Wasn't there a dragons source book for Earthdawn? What did that say
> about reproduction and how to become a Great form?

It was an ebook... around here somewhere, but I never did read the thing

But speaking of books... wasn't it in "Never Trust an Elf" that one of plot
threads about somebody trying to find a dragon's (Lofwyr?) eggs?
Message no. 28
From: david@*********.com (david lowe-rogstad)
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 10:02:14 -0800
At 9:23 AM -0800 2/7/03, Augustus wrote:
> > Wasn't there a dragons source book for Earthdawn? What did that say
>> about reproduction and how to become a Great form?
>
>It was an ebook... around here somewhere, but I never did read the thing
>

I found of copy of the Dragons Sourcebook here:

http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/mirror/EDDragons.pdf

It's a 1.7 mb pdf file, so be warned.

Living Room Games has announced that they are publishing a softcover
version of this book, but no date has been announced.

Granted it's not canon for Shadowrun, but it's pretty good reading,
and should spark some ideas about how little dragons are made, and
how one becomes a great dragon.

d.
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Message no. 29
From: shadowrun@********.net (Augustus)
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 10:28:57 -0800
----- Original Message -----
From: "Augustus" <shadowrun@********.net>
To: "Shadowrun Discussion" <shadowrn@*****.dumpshock.com>
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)

> >
> > Wasn't there a dragons source book for Earthdawn? What did that say
> > about reproduction and how to become a Great form?
>
> It was an ebook... around here somewhere, but I never did read the thing
>
> But speaking of books... wasn't it in "Never Trust an Elf" that one of
plot
> threads about somebody trying to find a dragon's (Lofwyr?) eggs?

Searching on Google for the earthdawn book of dragons, there is indeed a
copy of it online at:
http://www.dragonpaw.org/~ash/earthdawn/dragons.phtml

And yep, says they lay eggs
Message no. 30
From: loneeagle@********.co.uk (Lone Eagle)
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 19:31:12 +0000
At 06:28 PM 7/2/2003, Augustus wrote:
> > > Wasn't there a dragons source book for Earthdawn? What did that say
> > > about reproduction and how to become a Great form?
> >
> > It was an ebook... around here somewhere, but I never did read the thing
> >
> > But speaking of books... wasn't it in "Never Trust an Elf" that one
of
>plot
> > threads about somebody trying to find a dragon's (Lofwyr?) eggs?
>
>Searching on Google for the earthdawn book of dragons, there is indeed a
>copy of it online at:
>http://www.dragonpaw.org/~ash/earthdawn/dragons.phtml
>
>And yep, says they lay eggs

I've said it before but it was at the end of something and by the looks of
it it got missed by people; "Dragons of the Sixth World" the new FanPro
Dragons Sourcebook is coming out soon, last date I saw was this month but
my guess is it's slipped again.
It's rumoured to contain "data" on a number of Dracoforms, probably some of
the Greats some "background and habits" and a chunk of information on the
Big D and the corp he started (The Draco Foundation).

It has the advantage that it _is_ cannon.


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Message no. 31
From: justin@******.net (Justin Bell)
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 14:36:37 -0500
Lone Eagle said the following on 2/7/2003 2:31 PM:

> It has the advantage that it _is_ cannon.

Actually, it will be canon
Message no. 32
From: bmonroe@******.fsu.edu (Blair Monroe)
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 14:54:01 -0500
Valeu John EMFA wrote:

>>We actually had someone ask that. I decided that dragons gave life
>>birth because they take can shapechange, also things where all ready
>>strange enough with players asking these questions. I didn't want to
>>delve any farther into the topic of draconic reproduction (And
>>generally everyone knows how live birth happens).
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>In the adventure set, "Shadows of the Underworld" You do have to deal with
>a Great Dragon and his Egg. We always figured that dragons laid eggs, but
>the real question was how does a regular dragon become "Great"? Especially
>since Dunky said that Masru was the youngest (and it's his egg you're
>dealing with).
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IIRC, he was supposed to be the youngest of the Greater Dragons and
there is considerable room for wiggling on what youngest meant...whether
it was actual age or the most recent to have reawakened into the new
magical age. While the Earthdawn Dragons book is not officially canon,
it does fit well some of what has been seen in SR (at least the last I
read...I'm a bit behind on the fanpro stuff). For instance, (also IIRC)
a major responsibility of the greater dragons were to guard the eggs of
dragon kind. Thus the reason Masaru was so ticked in that adventure and
Lofwyr as well in 'Never trust an Elf.'

-- Blair Monroe
Professional Lurker
Message no. 33
From: loneeagle@********.co.uk (Lone Eagle)
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 19:54:59 +0000
At 07:36 PM 7/2/2003, Justin wrote:
>>It has the advantage that it _is_ cannon.
>
>Actually, it will be canon

<deadpan>
You know what?
You're so sharp sonny that one day I might just have to cut you. </deadpan>

<Big cheesy grin>


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Message no. 34
From: geoff@*************.co.uk (Euphonium)
Subject: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 16:54:59 -0000
----- Original Message -----
From: "Valeu John EMFA" <ValeuJ@*************.navy.mil>
To: "'Shadowrun Discussion'" <shadowrn@*****.dumpshock.com>
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 8:14 PM
Subject: RE: Who would you bed? (was: Metahuman Age)

[Snip]
>We always figured that dragons laid eggs, but
> the real question was how does a regular dragon become "Great"?

The Earthdawn stuff seems to imply that becoming a great dragon is mostly a
matter of age & experience - being accepted by the other greats more that a
physical change.

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