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From:	westiex@********.net (Aramis)
Subject:	Willpower question
Date:	Tue, 28 Sep 2004 01:43:26 +1000

Message no. 1 Couple of questions in regards to the Mind probe spell and willpower.

The TN for the spell is the target's willpower, with a +1 modifier for
each successive use of the spell. So if J. Victim has a will power of 4,
the second time that the spell is used against him the TN is 5, the
third its 6. The information that the mage receives is dependant upon
just how many successes that they get, the more successes they get for a
question the more information, up to and including information that
they've forgotten about/don't conciously think about.

Is there anyway to reduce a target's will power though the use of drugs,
such as but not limited to using a tranq to knock them unconcious?

What if the target is asleep? I'm assuming that there aren't any
modifiers for that, but I thought I'd ask and see if wiser minds had any
other ideas.

There are modifiers for if the target is under interrogation. Once, and
if they break, do any modifiers apply then whether you continue to
interrogate them or use the mind probe spell?

Aramis

From:	failhelm@***.com (failhelm@***.com)
Subject:	Willpower question
Date:	Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:49:51 -0700

Message no. 2 --On Monday, September 27, 2004 Aramis wrote;
--Subject: Willpower question
--
--Couple of questions in regards to the Mind probe spell and willpower.
--
--The TN for the spell is the target's willpower, with a +1
--modifier for each successive use of the spell. So if J.
--Victim has a will power of 4, the second time that the spell
--is used against him the TN is 5, the third its 6. The
--information that the mage receives is dependant upon just how
--many successes that they get, the more successes they get for
--a question the more information, up to and including
--information that they've forgotten about/don't conciously think about.
--
--Is there anyway to reduce a target's will power though the
--use of drugs, such as but not limited to using a tranq to
--knock them unconcious?
--
--What if the target is asleep? I'm assuming that there aren't
--any modifiers for that, but I thought I'd ask and see if
--wiser minds had any other ideas.
--
--There are modifiers for if the target is under interrogation.
--Once, and if they break, do any modifiers apply then whether
--you continue to interrogate them or use the mind probe spell?
--
--Aramis
--

You could always use the Lower Attribute spell that targets willpower, maybe
combine it with a foci that the target wears.
Even Rambo couldn't hold up.

You might want to make it harder to probe a sleeping mind. Do a little
research regarding delta waves, REM'ing, and general stages of sleep and you
might end up agreeing, or not. :)

- Failhelm

From:	graht1@*****.com (Graht)
Subject:	Willpower question
Date:	Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:17:17 -0600

Message no. 3 On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:49:51 -0700, failhelm@*****.com
<failhelm@*****.com> wrote:
> --On Monday, September 27, 2004 Aramis wrote;
> --Subject: Willpower question
> --
> --Couple of questions in regards to the Mind probe spell and willpower.
[snip]
> --What if the target is asleep? I'm assuming that there aren't
> --any modifiers for that, but I thought I'd ask and see if
> --wiser minds had any other ideas.
>
> You might want to make it harder to probe a sleeping mind. Do a little
> research regarding delta waves, REM'ing, and general stages of sleep and you
> might end up agreeing, or not. :)

I'm with Failhelm. IMHO a sleeping mind would be much harder to probe
than an awake mind. A sleeping mind is both a quiet and a chaotic
place.

--
-Graht

From:	gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject:	Willpower question
Date:	Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:23:43 +0200

Message no. 4 According to failhelm@*****.com, on Tuesday 28 September 2004 16:49 the
word on the street was...

> You might want to make it harder to probe a sleeping mind.

The way I normally handle Mind Probe on unconscious (or sleeping) targets
is to use the rules for the spell: with 1-2 successes, all the caster gets
are surface thoughts -- that will either be nothing, or perhaps a dream
(realistically only be once every 1 1/2 hours or so, but for dramatic
purposes you could have the target have one at any time required :)

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From:	james@****.uow.edu.au (James Niall Zealey)
Subject:	Willpower question
Date:	Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:33:05 +1000

Message no. 5 > <failhelm@*****.com>
> You could always use the Lower Attribute spell that targets willpower, maybe
> combine it with a foci that the target wears.
> Even Rambo couldn't hold up.
>

My personal fave is gamma-scopalamine. Sure it knocks them out, but once
they wake up they're at -2 will. That hurts.

> You might want to make it harder to probe a sleeping mind. Do a little
> research regarding delta waves, REM'ing, and general stages of sleep and you
> might end up agreeing, or not. :)
>

My personal rule is that a sleeping or unconscious mind requires the
maximum level of success to get information from. Anything lower and you
get whatever random crap is floating through the sleepers mind at the
moment.

Personally I think the interrogation mods are bogus - they're way, way
too low. Even with the least amount of successes on the spell, you still
get surface thoughts. Everyone try not to think of a polar bear. How
long'd you last? A second? Two if you're lucky? Now try it under stress.

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