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Message no. 1
From: HAUPT ULRICH FB08 <sandman@****.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: wishlist - streetindex/legality
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:15:33 MEZ-1MESZ
Hello everone!

I'd like to have something cleared out and something that could be
done better sin SR3....

In the tables for items are the availebility (AV) and the street index
given(SI). The SI is often greater than one which means that items
are more expensive in the street than they are in the stores. The AV
is always the same. It does not depend on where I want to buy
something. This is something I don't understand.
If it is an illegal item I want to buy its ok. I have to wait until
my dealer has managed to get those things. But for legal items I
don't get the idea.
For example the spell lock:
AFAIK spell locks are legal (I don't want to talk out whether I need
a license or not). So they cost 45K. They have a SI of 2 which means
that I have to pay 90K if I buy it in the streets. Both ways need the
same time!

So my questions are:

1) Is it neccessary to introduce two AV one for legal and one for
illegal?

2) What is the logic for items, which are legally available, the be
cheaper in the stores than in the streets ?

I hope there are solutions out there (c:=

Sandman
Message no. 2
From: Duncan McNeill-Burton <dmcneill@************.EDU>
Subject: Re: wishlist - streetindex/legality
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 07:58:36 -0500
HAUPT ULRICH asked:
>Hello everone!
>

Howdy pard...

[ snip, chew, chew, chew, cough, wheeze, spit...sorry about that ]


>For example the spell lock:
>AFAIK spell locks are legal (I don't want to talk out whether I need
>a license or not). So they cost 45K. They have a SI of 2 which means
>that I have to pay 90K if I buy it in the streets. Both ways need the
>same time!
>

I was under the impression that buying it Legally means you discount the
Street Index, and the Availability TN drops to 0, and the time becomes as
long as it take to go to the store and fill out the paperwork so that Lone
Star knows you have the Lock. The publishes AVs reflect the time it takes
for your source to track down an item through shadow channels, and the
chance that something like 20000 belted rounds of APDS LP ammo for your
HV-LMG just ain't around to be found at the moment.

And btw, your 'Reply-to' field is overriding the list ( wow...I've always
wanted to say that... )


Later-
Duncan McNeill-Burton
-Berek Thunderfist, Wolf Lord of the Blackmane Company
-Freelance Corporate Espionage Agent
-Tech Priest in Training
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"Your eyes shiver and you grit your teeth,
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-Ice T
Message no. 3
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: wishlist - streetindex/legality
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:22:51 +0000
> In the tables for items are the availebility (AV) and the street index
> given(SI). The SI is often greater than one which means that items
> are more expensive in the street than they are in the stores. The AV
> is always the same. It does not depend on where I want to buy
> something. This is something I don't understand.

Actually, as I understand the Street Index/Availability rules, The
availability is considered 2 less on the street, because you don't
have to deal with beauacracy. Mnay have complained about this rule,
but that is how it stands. More money also reduces the availability
on the street. (and I think legally)

-=SwiftOne=-
Brett Borger
SwiftOne@***.edu
AAP Techie
Message no. 4
From: "Leszek Karlik, aka Mike" <trrkt@*****.ONET.PL>
Subject: Re: wishlist - streetindex/legality
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:29:20 +0000
On 11 Nov 97, HAUPT ULRICH FB08 disseminated foul capitalist
propaganda by writing:

> Hi Mike!
>
> I saw that your reply was adressed directly to my I wondered if your
> wanted to send your mail to the list?

Yes, this was supposed to go to the list.

> I put it into this mail so you can send it to the list. I didn't do
> it because I don't know if you really want that.

Thanks. BTW: Your reply-to field is overriding the list. <grin>

> ---- original mail follows ----
>
>
> From: "Leszek Karlik, aka Mike" <trrkt@*****.onet.pl>
> To: sandman@****.uni-oldenburg.de
> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:59:00 +0000
> Subject: Re: wishlist - streetindex/legality
> Priority: normal
>
> On 11 Nov 97, HAUPT ULRICH FB08 disseminated foul capitalist
> propaganda by writing:
>
> > Hello everone!
> >
> > I'd like to have something cleared out and something that could be
> > done better sin SR3....
> <snip>
>
> > 2) What is the logic for items, which are legally available, the be
> > cheaper in the stores than in the streets ?
>
> Well, you can't find a store in the Barrens. And some people never
> leave the barrens. Lone Star DOES patrol the better parts of the
> city.
>
> And on an (slightly) related note: I have another thing to add to
> the SR3 wishlist: A new, list with updated price of the quipment. I
> mean, who will buy a Mossberg shotgun if he can buy a cheaper,
> better Franchi SPAS? The price for the old tech (from SSC, mainly)
> should go down by the time the new tech hits the streets...


Leszek Karlik, aka Mike - trrkt@*****.onet.pl; http://www.wlkp.top.pl/~bear/mike; FIAWOL
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Message no. 5
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: wishlist - streetindex/legality
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:25:01 +0100
HAUPT ULRICH FB08 said on 13:15/11 Nov 97...

> In the tables for items are the availebility (AV) and the street index
> given(SI). The SI is often greater than one which means that items
> are more expensive in the street than they are in the stores. The AV
> is always the same. It does not depend on where I want to buy
> something. This is something I don't understand.

There is a line in Shadowtech which says that items bought on the street
get a -2 Availability target number, but in SRII this somehow got turned
into a +2 (it's in the GM chapter somewhere). I use the Shadowtech rule,
as I assume the SRII rule is either a typo or a rule revision I don't
agree with :)

> If it is an illegal item I want to buy its ok. I have to wait until
> my dealer has managed to get those things. But for legal items I
> don't get the idea.
> For example the spell lock:
> AFAIK spell locks are legal (I don't want to talk out whether I need
> a license or not). So they cost 45K. They have a SI of 2 which means
> that I have to pay 90K if I buy it in the streets. Both ways need the
> same time!

Buying it on the street, with the -2 TN, will probably mean it takes less
time (because you'll roll more successes). Also, buying a spell lock
legally means you get all the paperwork that goes with it -- Lone Star
wants to know who has a spell lock so they can keep an eye on them. Buy
one in the shadows and you won't have that trouble.

> So my questions are:
>
> 1) Is it neccessary to introduce two AV one for legal and one for
> illegal?

There already are, but the rules are hidden away a bit.

> 2) What is the logic for items, which are legally available, the be
> cheaper in the stores than in the streets ?

A shortage of supply? Maybe the items are hard to get, so on the black
market their prices go up, while stores stick to normal prices. This
reasoning doesn't really hold for items with low Availabilities, though...

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