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Message no. 1
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Wish you were there
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 01:26:33 -0500
Okay, here is the stuff I thought up while away in Portugal ... Rather
than sending a dozen posts to the List, I'm posting them all in 2 posts
(one for general stuff, another for vehicles) It seems that the SR3
stuff has died down, I've finished digging through the back logs and so
it should be safe to post these (and the few back messages I wanted to
reply too) ... Let's see. Hopefully there won't be a sudden traffic
spike ...

1) Everybody keeps griping about the Econ of LAVs, well, use different
fuel grades to improve Econ.

2) How are spurs oriented? I got the impression that they were
perpendicular to the back of the hand which makes them easier to implant.
However, it seems to me that they'd be easier to wield (more like a
sword) but harder to implant.

3) People have mentioned getting cyberware in and out of Airports but
what about Airplanes? During landing and take-offs, you aren't alowwed
to use any electronic devices ... no walkmans, computers, nothing. And
you can't use cell phones and radios at all during the entire flight. So
how does this impact cyberware on airplanes? Do you have to have all
electronic cyber medically turned off before any and all airplane trips?

4) A story I read whilst in Portugal, "Magic, Inc", by Robert A Heinlein
is VERY good (IMO) for portraying life with magic and may spur some
interesting ideas. (BTW, the book was actually 2 stories and this story
may be only available as part of the pair. The Full title of the book is
"Waldo & Magic, Inc")

5) Here's an idea for Foci & Masking if they have become a problem in
your games (and might be nifty even if you have no problems) ... a
magician can only use the unmasked portion of a foci (so a mage can have
a R5 foci, mask 3 points of it and use it as if it was an R2 which will
likely draw less attention).

6) If you use the above (or if you don't), can you "fake" a foci using
masking? While this might be an interesting idea, I think it'd be a tad
unbalancing ... (Of course you could try to balance it with drain and
other factors ...)

7) What would egyptian magic be like? Current ruler (Pharoh?) becomes
the idol (as per Germany SB's Idol worship)? Or would they worship the
Egyptian Gods instead? And what would the magic traditions for the
Pharohs themselves be like?

D. Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
o/` Trideo killed the Video Star ... o/`

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Message no. 2
From: Robert Watkins <robert.watkins@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Wish you were there
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 16:44:03 +1000
Alfredo B Alves writes:
> 2) How are spurs oriented? I got the impression that they were
> perpendicular to the back of the hand which makes them easier to implant.
> However, it seems to me that they'd be easier to wield (more like a
> sword) but harder to implant.

It's mentioned in the BBB... spurs can either be planted so that they
project from the elbow (God only knows how you use the), or as "claws"
jutting from the back of the hand, like Wolverine.

--
.sig deleted to conserve electrons. robert.watkins@******.com
Message no. 3
From: Mongoose <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: Wish you were there
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 02:08:43 -0700
>It's mentioned in the BBB... spurs can either be planted so that they
>project from the elbow (God only knows how you use the), or as "claws"
>jutting from the back of the hand, like Wolverine.
>

Actually, they can retract "along any long bone", so you could have them
come out of the forearm just above the wrist, if you wanted. Elbow spurs
could come down from the upper arm- an elbow jab is a common, and powerful,
attack. Another cool spot would be coming upwards out of the shinbone, for a
nasty attack. "Don't just knee them in the groin, knee them TROUGH the
groin." Many of these might damage clothing not made to accommodate its use,
though.

Mongoose
Message no. 4
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Wish you were there
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 02:02:35 -0500
On Mon, 17 Aug 1998 16:44:03 +1000 Robert Watkins
<robert.watkins@******.COM> writes:
>Alfredo B Alves writes:
>> 2) How are spurs oriented? I got the impression that they were
>> perpendicular to the back of the hand which makes them easier to
implant.
>> However, it seems to me that they'd be easier to wield (more like a
>> sword) but harder to implant.

>It's mentioned in the BBB... spurs can either be planted so that they
>project from the elbow (God only knows how you use the), or as "claws"
>jutting from the back of the hand, like Wolverine.
>
>--
>.sig deleted to conserve electrons. robert.watkins@******.com

That's not what I was asking. :) (And it DOESN'T say it can project from
the elbow, btw :) It says:

Spur: A narrow blade attached to the user's bone, similar to a razor.
Retractable versions must be placed where they can be withdrawn along
a
long bone. Alternitively, a set of three smaller blades may be
anchored to
the back of the hand. (pg 249, BBB)

The first (and only) mention of a spur projecting from the elbow in a
FASA SB is in Cybertechnology ...

what I was asking was ... If you lay your forearm and hand (palm down) on
a table with your spur extended, would the blade be parralel or
perpendicular to the table top?

I would have thought it'd be perpendicular but if so, you'd cut yourself
if you bent your hand back and the parralel version seems like it'd be
easier to wield. (being more like a sword) The problem is if it is
parralel, I have a harder time picturing how it could possibly be
retractable. (unless it actually went INTO a bone ...)

Was that clearer?

D. Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
o/` Trideo killed the Video Star ... o/`

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Message no. 5
From: Mongoose <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: Wish you were there
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 02:18:29 -0700
>Spur: A narrow blade attached to the user's bone, similar to a razor.
> Retractable versions must be placed where they can be withdrawn along
>a
> long bone. Alternitively, a set of three smaller blades may be
>anchored to
> the back of the hand. (pg 249, BBB)
>
>The first (and only) mention of a spur projecting from the elbow in a
>FASA SB is in Cybertechnology ...
>
>what I was asking was ... If you lay your forearm and hand (palm down) on
>a table with your spur extended, would the blade be parralel or
>perpendicular to the table top?

From the description, I'd have to say parallel, as the spur (even the
smaller hand mount types) must retract ALONG a bone., and all those bones
would rest flat on the table in the position you give. For non-retractile
spurs, anything goes- get one mounted on your skull, if you want! Those just
need a solid anchor point.

Mongoose
Message no. 6
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Wish you were there
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 02:10:59 -0500
On Mon, 17 Aug 1998 02:08:43 -0700 Mongoose <evamarie@**********.net>
writes:
>>It's mentioned in the BBB... spurs can either be planted so that they
>>project from the elbow (God only knows how you use the), or as
>"claws"
>>jutting from the back of the hand, like Wolverine.

> Actually, they can retract "along any long bone", so you could have
them
>come out of the forearm just above the wrist, if you wanted. Elbow
spurs
>could come down from the upper arm- an elbow jab is a common, and
powerful,
>attack. Another cool spot would be coming upwards out of the shinbone,
for a
>nasty attack. "Don't just knee them in the groin, knee them TROUGH the
>groin." Many of these might damage clothing not made to accommodate its
use,
>though.
>
>Mongoose

Actually, IIRC, from the story in Cybertech about Hatchetman, he had a
spur projecting from his elbow, but coming along his FOREarm. Makes an
elbow jab to someone behind you rather nasty ... and you still have the
elbow bash type strikes but you can use the spur instead (wouldn't the
additional length of the spur give a nasty mechanical advantage?) for
perhaps a decaptiating attack ... eep. :)

Hmmmm ... I think that covers about all the nifty places you can put a
reatractable spur (at least the practical ones anyway ...)

D. Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
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Message no. 7
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Wish you were there
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 03:17:18 EDT
In a message dated 17/08/98 01:46:46 Central Daylight Time,
robert.watkins@******.COM writes:

> > 2) How are spurs oriented? I got the impression that they were
> > perpendicular to the back of the hand which makes them easier to implant.
> > However, it seems to me that they'd be easier to wield (more like a
> > sword) but harder to implant.
>
> It's mentioned in the BBB... spurs can either be planted so that they
> project from the elbow (God only knows how you use the), or as "claws"
> jutting from the back of the hand, like Wolverine.

IIRC, First edition BBB mostly talked about them in terms of being anchored to
the leg... I didn't take them for a long time, because I thought htey couldn't
be anchored to the arm like I wanted them. (Of course, as soon as I learned
they could, I made a character with them on both arms, a titanium laced
skeleton, and more bioware than would be advised by most doctors...)

Nexx

Nexx
Message no. 8
From: Robert Watkins <robert.watkins@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Wish you were there
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 17:16:35 +1000
Alfredo writes:
> what I was asking was ... If you lay your forearm and hand (palm down) on
> a table with your spur extended, would the blade be parralel or
> perpendicular to the table top?
>
> I would have thought it'd be perpendicular but if so, you'd cut yourself
> if you bent your hand back and the parralel version seems like it'd be
> easier to wield. (being more like a sword) The problem is if it is
> parralel, I have a harder time picturing how it could possibly be
> retractable. (unless it actually went INTO a bone ...)

I'd imagine perpendicular, with the edge being on only one side until it
cleared the hand. Or possibly deploying the spurs locks your wrist into
place so that you can't bend your hand back.

--
.sig deleted to conserve electrons. robert.watkins@******.com
Message no. 9
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Wish you were there
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 03:31:54 EDT
In a message dated 17/08/98 02:14:22 Central Daylight Time,
evamarie@**********.net writes:

> For non-retractile
> spurs, anything goes- get one mounted on your skull, if you want! Those
> just
> need a solid anchor point.

OUCH! Image of someone getting about four spurs anchored in a straight line
along their skull...

Nexx
Message no. 10
From: XaOs <xaos@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Wish you were there
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 03:04:46 -0500
> OUCH! Image of someone getting about four spurs anchored in a
> straight line
> along their skull...

Looking at some of today's extremes in piercing, this doesn't sound like it
is terribly unlikely. (Even possibly common).

-XaOs-
xaos@*****.net
Message no. 11
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Re: Wish you were there
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:34:06 +0000
and thus did Alfredo B Alves speak on 17 Aug 98 at 1:26:

[snip]
> 3) People have mentioned getting cyberware in and out of Airports but
> what about Airplanes? During landing and take-offs, you aren't alowwed
> to use any electronic devices ... no walkmans, computers, nothing. And
> you can't use cell phones and radios at all during the entire flight. So
> how does this impact cyberware on airplanes? Do you have to have all
> electronic cyber medically turned off before any and all airplane trips?

I don't think the electromagnetic fields from cyber is strong enough
to freak with a plane. Recent research shows that mobile phones
create such a magnetic field that it can cause short term memory loss
and/or disorientation. You don't want to have pieces in your head
that create those kind of fields all the time.

[snip some more stuff]
> 7) What would egyptian magic be like? Current ruler (Pharoh?) becomes
> the idol (as per Germany SB's Idol worship)? Or would they worship the
> Egyptian Gods instead? And what would the magic traditions for the
> Pharohs themselves be like?

I'll put that reply in a different post, it's too big for this one.

Martin Steffens
chimerae@***.ie
Message no. 12
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Re: Wish you were there
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:32:25 +0000
and thus did Alfredo B Alves speak on 17 Aug 98 at 1:26:

[snip]
> 3) People have mentioned getting cyberware in and out of Airports but
> what about Airplanes? During landing and take-offs, you aren't alowwed
> to use any electronic devices ... no walkmans, computers, nothing. And
> you can't use cell phones and radios at all during the entire flight. So
> how does this impact cyberware on airplanes? Do you have to have all
> electronic cyber medically turned off before any and all airplane trips?

I don't think the electromagnetic fields from cyber is strong enough
to freak with a plane. Recent research shows that mobile phones
create such a magnetic field that it can cause short term memory loss
and/or disorientation. You don't want to have pieces in your head
that create those kind of fields all the time.

[snip some more stuff]
> 7) What would egyptian magic be like? Current ruler (Pharoh?) becomes
> the idol (as per Germany SB's Idol worship)? Or would they worship the
> Egyptian Gods instead? And what would the magic traditions for the
> Pharohs themselves be like?

Now that's a good idea! Egypt as a SR "magic kingdom" a la the Tir's.
I wonder why FASA didn't came up with that, unless they figure that
there's nothing left considering it being between "glow in the dark
Libya" and "pox ridden Israel". But it would be nice to have
something like that re-emerging. And for once without a *&*^%
immortal elf ruling it, but the greatest mummies rising from their
graves, ruled by ancient Osiris and their monuments being restored by
magic.

The Pharaoh would be a personification of the sun god Horus, so as
such an idol, but what I know about Egyptian history I would say it's
more like the druid magic principle with each god being a totem.

A quick run down of some of the gods (not all of them but just the
important ones):

Ra or AmonRe in later times and Aton for a really short time - god of
the sun. the most important god of the Egyptians. If figure he would
be much like the sun totem in the Grimoire p.29. Sometimes displayed
with the face of a falcon (just like Horus).

Osiris, god of the underworld. Considered to be the first pharaoh
turned god. Married to and brother of Isis. Started out as a god of
vegetation and trees, later became the ruler of the plenteous of the
underworld and associated with the moon. I would use maybe oak as
totem benefits and penalties, although the guy looks a lot like a
mummy with an normal pharaoh face. Is said to return to earth and rule
Egypt when Horus defeats Set.

Horus the falcon faced son of Osiris (sometimes of Ra). The Pharaoh's
were considered to be incarnations of Horus, so his worship will be
much like the German idols. Totem-wise he was very closely linked to
Ra, so I would give shaman of Horus the same bonuses and penalties
as Ra's instead of using the Falcon totem's description. Horus
continues to battle Set, the slayer of Osiris, but when he defeats
him Osiris shall rule again (add something about avenging every
slight in the totem description).

Isis traditionally was the goddess of mourning. Later she turned into
something very similar to a Magna Mater / Gaia type of goddess. In
effect her powers will be very close to Osiris, except that she
doesn't rule in the afterworld. Isis is sometimes portrayed as
having a cows' head, or wings and cow's horns with a sun disc
between them.

Set... well anyone who read WW's Vampire books knows about this chap.
God of strife, jealousy and rage. His form is either a serpent,
man with crocodile head or sometimes hippopotamus (all considered to
be nasty monsters in Egypt). Worship of him can be compared with
worshipping Lucifer. I don't know which totem's bonuses and
penalties come closest, but Gator would be a good one.

Thoth, ibis faced god of speech, intellect and writing. Thoth keeps
the balances of all humans and upon death it is his records which are
checked to determine hell or heaven. He started out as a moon god,
but became more and more a god of knowledge and magic. Associated
with the Greek Hermes. Totem mods as for Coyote, bonus for summoning
spirits of man (make up the exact descriptions yourself, I'm in a
hurry :).

Ma-at or Ma-a-t, goddess for law, order and justice, closely
associated with Thoth. Female with a head dress of ostrich feathers
or carrying them. Totem would be close to Eagle, despite the
similarities with Thoth who is more a trickster.

Anubis, the jackal faced god who was seen as the guide of the dead,
embalmer and weighter of a man's heart after death. Dog totem in all
respects.

Undoubtingly some will come up with one I forgot, but heck I'm doing
this from memory, I think I got most of them and I'm in a hurry.

The exact totem assignments and descriptions need more work, I just
worked from memory here, so I don't remember exactly what each
totem's pro's and cons are.

hope this helps somewhat, and maybe inspires someone to write an
Egypt source book :).


Martin Steffens
chimerae@***.ie
Message no. 13
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Re: Wish you were there
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:32:25 +0000
and thus did Alfredo B Alves speak on 17 Aug 98 at 2:02:

> what I was asking was ... If you lay your forearm and hand (palm down) on
> a table with your spur extended, would the blade be parralel or
> perpendicular to the table top?
>
> I would have thought it'd be perpendicular but if so, you'd cut yourself
> if you bent your hand back and the parralel version seems like it'd be
> easier to wield. (being more like a sword) The problem is if it is
> parralel, I have a harder time picturing how it could possibly be
> retractable. (unless it actually went INTO a bone ...)
>
> Was that clearer?

A lot :)

I figured that it had to be running parallel to your arm.
Perpendicular would mean that the spur has to have a pretty big space
to snap out of to the side of your arm (check out the cyber arm blade
in CT, it needs an half open hand to flip out). If you run the spur
parralel to your radius in your forearm your can either incorporate
it in the bone or attach the sheath and retraction system to this bone
(kind of like a car antenna), plus you only need a small opening in
your skin to get the spur out. Hatchetman had two spurs attached to
his fore arm, one jutting out from the elbow and the other from his
wrist.
you could have non-retractable spurs attached to the metacarpal
bones in your hand, like the street sam archetype in SR2, but I can't
see how those can be retractable (unless you want to immobilize the
wrist). And non-retractables in those places can be a real pain when
you fall and need to catch your fall with your hands, or in any other
case where you over extend your fingers.

Personally I do tend to have a hard time seeing a retractable spur
jutting up from your knee (attached to the tibia I guess) without
killing your kneecap, but maybe it's possible to remove the cap and
replace it by an artificial one with a sheath for the spur.

Let's see some more possible places for retractable spurs...

-jutting out from your shoulders to the sides. Should do nicely when
placing American football or rugby :) (attach to shoulder
blades..erhm no pun intended :)

- coming downwards out of you elbow, attached to the upper arm
(humerus) instead of the forearm. Good for slashing moves.

-upwards from your upper arm. Good for killing yourself, and cleaning
your ears at the same time.

IMHO that's most of the places I can come up with that make sense.
There are other long bones, but spurs attached to those would have
more chance of hurting the wearer than his opponent, or are just
plain silly.

Karina & Martin Steffens
chimerae@***.ie
Message no. 14
From: David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: Wish you were there
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:50:10 -0400
On Mon, 17 Aug 1998, Nexx Many-Scars wrote:

->In a message dated 17/08/98 02:14:22 Central Daylight Time,
->evamarie@**********.net writes:
->
->> For non-retractile
->> spurs, anything goes- get one mounted on your skull, if you want! Those
->> just
->> need a solid anchor point.
->
->OUCH! Image of someone getting about four spurs anchored in a straight line
->along their skull...

So those horns on the troll might actually be cybernetic spurs.
Being headbutted by a troll has suddenly become even less smart of an
idea. Wonder what teh target number would be.

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the difficult I do all day long,
the impossible only during the week,
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Message no. 15
From: David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: Wish you were there
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:04:58 -0400
On Mon, 17 Aug 1998, Martin Steffens wrote:

->and thus did Alfredo B Alves speak on 17 Aug 98 at 2:02:
->
<Snip places to put spurs>

Non-retractable:
Head (as horns, pointed any particular direction)
Feet (Footwear specially designed, jutting up from top
part of foot)
Chest (Custom Shirts or just torn up shirts, jutting
either forwards or backwards)
Hip Bones (Handy for putting shoes on while they dry?
Anchored to the pelvis)
Retractable:
Along the shin, extending down through foot (For martial
artists who like using their feet)
Along the Ribs, extending forward or backwards, curved
(For people who're being hugged from the front or rear)

Fixer --------------} The easy I do before breakfast,
the difficult I do all day long,
the impossible only during the week,
and miracles performed on an as-needed basis....

Now tell me, what was your problem?
Message no. 16
From: Lehlan Decker <DeckerL@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Wish you were there -Reply
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:06:46 -0400
>It's mentioned in the BBB... spurs can either be planted so that
>they project from the elbow (God only knows how you use the),
>or as "claws" jutting from the back of the hand, like Wolverine.
You don't remember hatchetman's story from cybertechnology?
It's partially a style thing, or it gives new meaning to the line
"elbow to the gut", or "elbow to the face"

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Message no. 17
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Wish you were there
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:40:42 -0500
>It's mentioned in the BBB... spurs can either be planted so that they
>project from the elbow (God only knows how you use the), or as "claws"
>jutting from the back of the hand, like Wolverine.

The one from the elbow is mostly a holdout kind of weapon, and a nasty
surprise for someone sneaking up behind you. At least that's how I always
used it.
Message no. 18
From: Adam Getchell <acgetchell@*******.EDU>
Subject: Re: Wish you were there
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:44:51 -0700
>A quick run down of some of the gods (not all of them but just the
>important ones):

Great post!

One of our GM's ran a great magical detective mystery concerning a demon
called Ophiomorphos from that mythology ... ate children's hands and other
unpleasantry. That adventure was titled "Knucklebones" ...

Then there was the adventure concerning the Orb of Making. Of course, Set
put his minion in one of the players "To Challenge the Gods" as the price
for not guarding the Orb.
--Adam

acgetchell@*******.edu
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Message no. 19
From: "Ojaste,James [NCR]" <James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA>
Subject: Re: Wish you were there
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:30:38 -0400
Nexx Many-Scars wrote:
> > For non-retractile
> > spurs, anything goes- get one mounted on your skull, if you want!
> Those
> > just
> > need a solid anchor point.
>
> OUCH! Image of someone getting about four spurs anchored in a straight
> line
> along their skull...
>
Hey, it's Spike! Talk about being ahead of the times... ;-)

James Ojaste
Message no. 20
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Wish you were there
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 16:11:02 -0400
Nexx Many-Scars wrote:
>
> In a message dated 17/08/98 02:14:22 Central Daylight Time,
> evamarie@**********.net writes:
>
> > For non-retractile
> > spurs, anything goes- get one mounted on your skull, if you want! Those
> > just
> > need a solid anchor point.
>
> OUCH! Image of someone getting about four spurs anchored in a straight line
> along their skull...
>
> Nexx

I just get this image from some comic book or another where the guy has
a "mohawk" of metal spikes protruding from his shaved head...freaky
stuff.


--Jett

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occasional advice or insult."
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Message no. 21
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Wish you were there
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 16:16:00 -0400
Martin Steffens wrote:

<<Snip lots of stuff>>

Well, reading over this stuff, I can't help but think that the Egyptian
gods are more like Voudoun Loa than totems...


--Jett

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occasional advice or insult."
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Message no. 22
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: Wish you were there
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:58:10 -0300
>
> Personally I do tend to have a hard time seeing a retractable spur
> jutting up from your knee (attached to the tibia I guess) without
> killing your kneecap, but maybe it's possible to remove the cap and
> replace it by an artificial one with a sheath for the spur.

Unless it actually comes out from a little below tha knee cap, in
a very fast motion, and retracts back when you stretch the leg again.
This way, it doens't touch the knee-cap, and is good for combat
without impairing movement.

Bira
Message no. 23
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: Wish you were there
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:37:19 -0300
Alfredo B Alves wrote:
>
> 2) How are spurs oriented? I got the impression that they were
> perpendicular to the back of the hand which makes them easier to implant.
> However, it seems to me that they'd be easier to wield (more like a
> sword) but harder to implant.

I think that they look like those Wolverine claws... As much as I
dislike him, I must admit that is a funsctional design... :)


>
> 7) What would egyptian magic be like? Current ruler (Pharoh?) becomes
> the idol (as per Germany SB's Idol worship)? Or would they worship the
> Egyptian Gods instead? And what would the magic traditions for the
> Pharohs themselves be like?

I would vote for them following the Egyptian gods, with the pharaoh
also
being the High Priest of Ra. You also could twist the pharaonic system,
instead
of the trhone being hereditary, the ruler would be elected by the
various
cults, among their respective High Priests...

Bira
Message no. 24
From: Mongoose <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: Wish you were there
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:55:13 -0700
>> Personally I do tend to have a hard time seeing a retractable spur
>> jutting up from your knee (attached to the tibia I guess) without
>> killing your kneecap, but maybe it's possible to remove the cap and
>> replace it by an artificial one with a sheath for the spur.
>
> Unless it actually comes out from a little below tha knee cap, in
>a very fast motion, and retracts back when you stretch the leg again.
> This way, it doens't touch the knee-cap, and is good for combat
>without impairing movement.


The knee-spur was my idea- I envisioned it being perfect for kick boxers,
who do jumping knee strikes, often aimed at the kidneys. Ouch. Yes, it could
retract automatically when the leg straightened. You could also simply have
it come out at an angle that cleared the knee, perhaps having a curved blade
retract through the tibia, following inside the basic curve of the calf.
Or you could just replace thew whole knee with one that accommodated the
spur and gave it optimal striking orientation at various leg positions. Much
better, IMO, but maybe only feasible in a cyberleg.

Mongoose
Message no. 25
From: Adam Getchell <acgetchell@*******.EDU>
Subject: Re: Wish you were there
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:05:05 -0700
> The knee-spur was my idea- I envisioned it being perfect for kick boxers,
>who do jumping knee strikes, often aimed at the kidneys. Ouch. Yes, it could

Elbow spur for the sok, a flying elbow strike to the back of the head (up
near the cervical area).

> Or you could just replace thew whole knee with one that accommodated the
>spur and gave it optimal striking orientation at various leg positions. Much
>better, IMO, but maybe only feasible in a cyberleg.

Titanium bone lacing would come in real handy for those shin kicks. And
Thai boxers traditionally covered their hands in broken glass ...

>Mongoose

--Adam

acgetchell@*******.edu
"Invincibility is in oneself, vulnerability in the opponent." --Sun Tzu

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