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Message no. 1
From: Philippe Garneau <pgarneau@****.ULAVAL.CA>
Subject: Wolf and Raven
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:02:17 -0400
Hello,

As many of you, I'm sure, I'm now the proud owner of Wolf and Raven, by
Michael Stackpole.

I haven't begun reading it, so all I'll say is that the cover art is way
superior to most of the recent SR novels.

What do you think?

_____________________________________________________
Philippe Garneau, a.k.a Filou
Bachelier en Sciences, Microbiologie

Global Ebola? Much too icky!
Aliens zapping Washington? Get Real!
Asteroid wiping us out? Naaah!
Terrorist nuke in New York? Now that Seinfeld's gone, why bother?

I think the Y2K bug will do nicely as a Millenium catastrophe. do you?
Message no. 2
From: Lehlan Decker <decker@****.FSU.EDU>
Subject: Wolf and Raven....
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:22:26 -0500
Just a few comments...
This book is excellent. I've always enjoyed Stackpole's StarWars and BT
writing, and loved his original Wolf and Raven stuff. The stories
are well written, flow together, and he shows a wide variety of
"adventure" story types. Its not exactly always SR cannon rules, but
its some of the best SR fiction ever written. (IMHO of course).
The foot notes at the bottom are even better. Anyway..go buy the book.
Meanwhile I'm waiting for some miserable store in this town to get
T:SH....perhaps I should just mail order...it might be quicker. :)
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Message no. 3
From: "Frank Pelletier (Trinity)" <jeanpell@****.QC.CA>
Subject: Re: Wolf and Raven....
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:40:30 -0400
Lehlan Decker <decker@****.FSU.EDU> once wrote,


>Just a few comments...
>This book is excellent. I've always enjoyed Stackpole's StarWars and BT
>writing, and loved his original Wolf and Raven stuff. The stories
>are well written, flow together, and he shows a wide variety of
>"adventure" story types. Its not exactly always SR cannon rules, but
>its some of the best SR fiction ever written. (IMHO of course).
>The foot notes at the bottom are even better. Anyway..go buy the book.
>Meanwhile I'm waiting for some miserable store in this town to get
>T:SH....perhaps I should just mail order...it might be quicker. :)


Ahem...

The only story that realy caught my attention was "Designated Hitter",
because it was different. The rest was your standard
"I'm-a-kick-ass-shadowrunner-so-get-outta-my-way-ya-bitch" ego-boosting
fest. Hmm...spoiler space

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At the end of the first story, I can recall a description of Raven, "Tall,
muscular, nearly a God"... bleurgh... Come on, eau-de-rose writting sucks.

And that Boat ally spirit... hey... 'twas pretty lame. If it was used as a
surprise element, It worked... 'cause I went "The damn boat? What lame-ass
excuse is that?"

And if you want something that gets even close to being canon, throw this
book out of the window.

I mean... Stackpole's writting is excellent, I like his style, his
first-person narrative is really informative. The footnotes do get a little
boring (they always say the same damn things i.e. his gun is old, The
Mariners are the Seadogs..that's it).

But my biggest gripe is this. This book was written by someone who
obviously doesn't play SR, or even doesn't know the SR world very well. The
lack of cannon authenticity is glaring, and the "Super-team-from-hell"
concept is getting old (Dragonheart Trilogy beat it to death, and then
some).

Pass this up, IMHO... "Best writting in SR fiction?". Dunno... probably,
'cause most SR books, well, suck.

Trinity
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Message no. 4
From: Lehlan Decker <decker@****.FSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Wolf and Raven....
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:13:39 -0500
>
> Lehlan Decker <decker@****.FSU.EDU> once wrote,
>
>
> >Just a few comments...
> >This book is excellent. I've always enjoyed Stackpole's StarWars and BT
> >writing, and loved his original Wolf and Raven stuff. The stories
> >are well written, flow together, and he shows a wide variety of
> >"adventure" story types. Its not exactly always SR cannon rules, but
> >its some of the best SR fiction ever written. (IMHO of course).
> >The foot notes at the bottom are even better. Anyway..go buy the book.
> >Meanwhile I'm waiting for some miserable store in this town to get
> >T:SH....perhaps I should just mail order...it might be quicker. :)
>
>
I disagree...see below...

> Ahem...
>
> The only story that realy caught my attention was "Designated Hitter",
> because it was different. The rest was your standard
> "I'm-a-kick-ass-shadowrunner-so-get-outta-my-way-ya-bitch" ego-boosting
> fest. Hmm...spoiler space
>
> S
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> At the end of the first story, I can recall a description of Raven, "Tall,
> muscular, nearly a God"... bleurgh... Come on, eau-de-rose writting sucks.
>
> And that Boat ally spirit... hey... 'twas pretty lame. If it was used as a
> surprise element, It worked... 'cause I went "The damn boat? What lame-ass
> excuse is that?"
>
> And if you want something that gets even close to being canon, throw this
> book out of the window.
>
> I mean... Stackpole's writting is excellent, I like his style, his
> first-person narrative is really informative. The footnotes do get a little
> boring (they always say the same damn things i.e. his gun is old, The
> Mariners are the Seadogs..that's it).
>
> But my biggest gripe is this. This book was written by someone who
> obviously doesn't play SR, or even doesn't know the SR world very well. The
> lack of cannon authenticity is glaring, and the "Super-team-from-hell"
> concept is getting old (Dragonheart Trilogy beat it to death, and then
> some).
>
> Pass this up, IMHO... "Best writting in SR fiction?". Dunno... probably,
> 'cause most SR books, well, suck.
>
Hmm...I enjoyed it because it wasn't cannon, but it didn't pretend to be.
The characters not being cannon added to the story, instead of just "We
are ignoring the rules so we can be gods". Hell Wolf got the shit
kicked out of him repeadily. And Raven is usually in the background.
You also have to remember the stories were orignally published (at least
some were) in challenge. So the footnotes being repeated were necessary.
Anyway....I enjoyed it (stayed up last night and finished it in 3- hours)
You don't see the dragonheart trilogy helping out squatters in the barrens. :)
These were also written long before SR2 was a glimmer. Hell I think
I saw at least the first two when only Str Sam and SR1 Hardback were out. :)
Anyway..I guess I''ll agree to disagree.
Another note. Wolf and the others survived at least 8 years in the shadows.
That would easily put them near the top of the runner heap. Later.

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Message no. 5
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Wolf and Raven....
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:40:41 -0400
>> The only story that realy caught my attention was "Designated Hitter",
>> because it was different. The rest was your standard
>> "I'm-a-kick-ass-shadowrunner-so-get-outta-my-way-ya-bitch" ego-boosting
>> fest. Hmm...spoiler space
>>
>> S
>> P
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>> At the end of the first story, I can recall a description of Raven,
"Tall,
>> muscular, nearly a God"... bleurgh... Come on, eau-de-rose writting
sucks.

Keep in mind that by his own admission, Stackpole wrote these as an
experiement to duplicate the old "Doc Savage" pulp stories.
Taken as that, it's easy to see why Raven is always described as such an
impressive figure.

Raven = Doc Savage

It's "Purple Prose" man, he's not looking for a pultizer! ;-)
These stories were originally published serial style in magazines. As such
they HAD to be quick, and to the point. Not a lot of room for character
development, although IMO Stackpole manages to fit that in too.

>> And that Boat ally spirit... hey... 'twas pretty lame. If it was used
as a
>> surprise element, It worked... 'cause I went "The damn boat? What
lame-ass
>> excuse is that?"

Well considering this was written before the Grimoire even existed, and
there were no such things as ally spirits ... it was pretty creative at the
time.
I'll admit, to my now SR jaded eyes, it does seem a little trite.

>> And if you want something that gets even close to being canon, throw this
>> book out of the window.

I'm not even going to get into this.
How FASA published material can be listed as "non-canon" is still beyond me
... ;-)

>> I mean... Stackpole's writting is excellent, I like his style, his
>> first-person narrative is really informative. The footnotes do get a
little
>> boring (they always say the same damn things i.e. his gun is old, The
>> Mariners are the Seadogs..that's it).

I agree with this totally.
The footnotes were NOT in the original tales.
I have to think that they were added to this printing of the stories simply
to explain to the reader why Wolf uses gear that does not exist in ANY
rulebooks, or why he calls the Mariners the Seadogs when Shadowbeat calls
them the Mariners.

At the time of the original writing of these stories, Shadowbeat did not
exist. Street Samurai Catalog was not out yet either.
FASA gave Stackpole a wide berth to create whatever he liked in this new
world of theirs.
It just so happened that as things were added later, they did not take into
account some of the things that went before.
The footnotes are simply a contrived way to explain the glaring differences.

>> But my biggest gripe is this. This book was written by someone who
>> obviously doesn't play SR, or even doesn't know the SR world very well.
The
>> lack of cannon authenticity is glaring, and the "Super-team-from-hell"
>> concept is getting old (Dragonheart Trilogy beat it to death, and then
>> some).

Of course he didn't play SR at the time he wrote these stories.
In fact, for a couple of them, NO ONE DID!
Did you bother to read the author's notes in the back of the book where he
explains that this stuff is the FIRST SR fiction EVER printed???
These stories were released before Sam Verner ever showed up as more than
the introductory chapter to the ORIGNAL (Green) printing of "Into the
Shadows"
As for not knowing the SR world, there was no world at the time!
According to Wolf in the very front of the book, these stories are things
that happened to him 8 years ago.
That sets the novel in and around 2050. You can't fairly judge these stories
against those set in the "curent" SR setting, because they are NOT set
there.
Aside from Seattle, there was almost NO mention of any other areas in the
orignal material.
Super Team? Maybe so, but again, take it in context of a "pulp" style tale
and it makes more sense.
Before you revile the author for his lack of knowledge about the game, make
sure you know the background behind these stories. Stackpole is one of the
main infulences in SR Fiction.
His original works may not match the world SR is now, but they shaped the
way that world is.

>> Pass this up, IMHO... "Best writting in SR fiction?". Dunno...
probably,
>> 'cause most SR books, well, suck.

If you don't like it, then don't buy it.
No one's gonna force you.
Well ... maybe the game police will but that's another stoy altogether! ;-)

>These were also written long before SR2 was a glimmer. Hell I think
>I saw at least the first two when only Str Sam and SR1 Hardback were out.
:)

The very first Wolf and Raven story was written as a formative work while SR
was still in the concept stages.
Keep that in mind while you read, and these stories are much better, IMO.

Steven A. Tinner - ICQ#12789001
bluewizard@*****.com
http://www.ncweb.com/users/bluewizard
"The red ones are the most sensual. But that might burn our thing!" -
Lonesome Cowboy Dave
Message no. 6
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Wolf and Raven....
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:52:54 -0400
Once upon a time, Steven A. Tinner wrote;

>If you don't like it, then don't buy it.
>No one's gonna force you.
>Well ... maybe the game police will but that's another stoy altogether! ;-)

No one expects the Game Police! Their main weapon is Fear and
Surprise.
Two, two weapons are...

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

I swear to tell
the Truth, the partial Truth, or something like the Truth.

I am MC23
Message no. 7
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Wolf and Raven....
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:30:08 -0400
Don't hold back Frank... ;-)

>Ahem...
>
>The only story that realy caught my attention was "Designated Hitter",
>because it was different. The rest was your standard
>"I'm-a-kick-ass-shadowrunner-so-get-outta-my-way-ya-bitch" ego-boosting
>fest. Hmm...spoiler space

Which is fun for a bit. But then it gets old.

>S
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>At the end of the first story, I can recall a description of Raven, "Tall,
>muscular, nearly a God"... bleurgh... Come on, eau-de-rose writting sucks.

As was mentioned elsewhere, these stories were inspired by pulp fiction,
and Raven is supposed to be Doc Savage...my gripe though is that all the
rest of the characters seemed to have little in the way of physical
description. What the frag does Wolfgang Kies look like? Is Kid Stealth
black? White? Asian? Amerind? WHAT!?!?! All I know is his right arm is
flesh, his left is cyber, and he's got some wierd birdlike cyberlegs. That
and he's a bad ass muthaf*cka.

>And that Boat ally spirit... hey... 'twas pretty lame. If it was used as a
>surprise element, It worked... 'cause I went "The damn boat? What lame-ass
>excuse is that?"

Oh boy, yeah. I nearly threw the book against the way, but that would have
disturbed my cat sleeping next to me. So I didn't. But that was horrible.
And the treatment of spirits and spirit combat...

>And if you want something that gets even close to being canon, throw this
>book out of the window.

Very much so, and that's what annoys me SO much about the book.
Stackpole's writing is no better or worse, really, than anyone else's that
have written published SR fiction. But his knowledge of the game world is
non-existant. Okay, so his first couple of stories were written when the
game was a mere concept. And a lot of his writing came before any of the
major supplements were published. But still, when he went back to edit the
stories to try and make them string together for the anthology, he could
have taken some time to replace the guns with ones we had heard of and so
on, so it would fit a *little* better than it does.

>I mean... Stackpole's writting is excellent, I like his style, his
>first-person narrative is really informative. The footnotes do get a little
>boring (they always say the same damn things i.e. his gun is old, The
>Mariners are the Seadogs..that's it).

Actually, I'm not a fan of his style (I love Gibson and Steve K's style
echoes that to me) but it's not painful to read either. And most of the
footnotes are pretty much the same thing.

>But my biggest gripe is this. This book was written by someone who
>obviously doesn't play SR, or even doesn't know the SR world very well. The
>lack of cannon authenticity is glaring, and the "Super-team-from-hell"
>concept is getting old (Dragonheart Trilogy beat it to death, and then
>some).

Yeah, though I didn't really have a problem with it in Dragonhear, because
that whole thing was *supposed* to be earthshaking. But these stories
could have been done, albiet differently, with less god-like shadowrunners.
It's a bit like taking an HMG to swat a little fly when a newspaper would
do just fine.

>Pass this up, IMHO... "Best writting in SR fiction?". Dunno... probably,
>'cause most SR books, well, suck.

I'd vote to pass it to unless you've got the money to burn. If you're on a
budget (like I know a bunch of you out there are), pass on it.

As I said in another message, I bought the book mainly because it had Kid
Stealth. Yeah, he's got some wack cyberware (in "real" SR he'd have a
smartgun link, not some eye-mounted rangefinder) and those legs of his are
very odd. But it's the attitude the Murder Machine has that I love. He's
the coolest SOB in that entire book. If Stackpole wrote a book just about
Kid Stealth, I'd probably buy it.

Unfortunately, most SR books aren't exactly pillars of literary
achievement. Tom Dowd's Burning Bright was a good work of fiction, as was
Steve K.'s Technobabel. And Jak Koke's Dragonheart trilogy wasn't bad,
though I did have problems with it. And a few older books weren't too bad
either, but far too many SR novels are barely worth the paper they were
printed on. Which is really too bad because the novels are really the best
place for a gaming system to really flesh things out and add a lot of color
to the game world.

Ah well. Until I write my own SR novel, right?

Erik J.


"Ladies & Gentleman, the newest member of the band, the one and only Spice
Boy, GRUMPY SPICE!!!" <and the crowd goes wild!!!>
Message no. 8
From: "William A. Froning" <s1028052@*******.UMSL.EDU>
Subject: Re: Wolf and Raven....
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:38:54 -0500
What SR books would everyone recommend i read?
Message no. 9
From: Machine-gun Kelly <MgkellyMP5@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Wolf and Raven....
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:08:24 EDT
In a message dated 98-06-08 13:40:53 EDT, Tinner wrote:

<< >> And that Boat ally spirit... hey... 'twas pretty lame. If it was used
as a
>> surprise element, It worked... 'cause I went "The damn boat? What
lame-ass
>> excuse is that?"

Well considering this was written before the Grimoire even existed, and
there were no such things as ally spirits ... it was pretty creative at the
time.
I'll admit, to my now SR jaded eyes, it does seem a little trite.
>>

Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't an Ally spirit be given any physical shape
that it's summoner wishes?
Then again, I may be wrong. Been a long time since I looked at the Allies
section of the Grimmy.

Mgkelly
Message no. 10
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Wolf and Raven....
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:15:04 -0700
Machine-gun Kelly wrote:

> Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't an Ally spirit be given any physical shape
> that it's summoner wishes?
> Then again, I may be wrong. Been a long time since I looked at the Allies
> section of the Grimmy.

A couple of pertinent rules:

"The ally can inhabit a physical body prepared for it by its summoner
.... As long as the host body still lives, the ally cannot leave it.
... More impressively, the magician can make or commission a unique
focus to create a homonculus as a host body. This is an enchanted item,
a statue." [Gr2, p. 67]

'Statue' sounds pretty flexible, although it allows for potential abuse
-- a boat, after all, can be made mobile, and can't really lift anything
at any rate, so Strength and Quickness stats are pretty much optional -
meaning more Karma to dump into Body (and if you want it to move, give
it a motor!) I'd be especially cautious around the idea of floating
ally swords; since a sword has no means of motive power, it requires
some effort on the spirit to 'swing itself' - and even then with no mass
to back it, it's not likely to do much damage. (A mite bit better luck
flying straight at someone - but then it gets stuck.)

A Panther cannon seems out for the same reason that you can't make one
into a magical focus -- such things need to be handcrafted, and it's
doubtful that a hand-crafted Panther is going to withstand combat
stresses (or, for that matter, that a mage might get the specs to the
gun.) And sometimes it's handy to have an Ally that actually looks
innocuous....


- Matt

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Message no. 11
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Wolf and Raven....
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:50:24 -0500
On Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:09:02 EDT Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM> writes:
>In a message dated 98-06-08 13:40:51 EDT, you write:
>> And that Boat ally spirit... hey... 'twas pretty lame. If it was
used as a
>> surprise element, It worked... 'cause I went "The damn boat? What
lame-ass
>> excuse is that?"

>OK, I hope this isn't too much of a spoiler, but it does raise an
interesting
>point: Who says your homonculus has to be human-shaped? Why not put
him in
>your Westwind, or, for the truly psychotic, in your Panther cannon?
>
>Nexx, the very, very odd

AFAIK ... you can ... I thought you had to handmake the material ... but
Grimmy says you can buy something off the shelf and enchant it (though I
only skimmed so I might have missed some additional requirements) ... As
far as I can tell, there is no bonus for handmaking the Ally's body or
incorporating Orichalium into it ... anybody care to correct me?

If ya put an Ally in a car suddenly you have one wicked autopilot ;)
Put one in a Bike and buy 3D movement and suddenly you have Ghost Rider's
Bike!

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, and RuPixel)
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Message no. 12
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Wolf and Raven....
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 01:27:39 EDT
In a message dated 6/8/98 4:42:18 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM writes:

> "The ally can inhabit a physical body prepared for it by its summoner
> .... As long as the host body still lives, the ally cannot leave it.
> ... More impressively, the magician can make or commission a unique
> focus to create a homonculus as a host body. This is an enchanted item,
> a statue." [Gr2, p. 67]
>
<snipped commentary that followed>

Something else we've gotten into here that I -KNOW- is home rule specific is
Binder went about building an Anthroform drone with his list of skills, had
already aquired a "variation" on the "Work Loa" spirit via purchasing
edges
(Home Rule). He specifically crafted the thing, it's cool, but it isn't
indestructible.

And "WhalaH!"

The birth of Kenny in the game. Yep, complete with a hooded orange pullover
that is really just a ruthenium polymer shirt Binder uses "Fix" on frequently
in combination with B/R (Fashion).

The drone is great, and when "Kenny" the Loa is inhabiting it, and reaches out
and smacks the nearby watchers that are annoying various party members, the
jokes roll about.

I've got stats somewhere, but I don't know if they've made the Hacker House
site yet (they might have - shrug).

It can be fun, even if it does cost the occasional karma point.

Yep, even gave that thing an MPL Laser rifle (Blue Light wavelength before
T:SH even came out...thanks Jon for the hints LONG before hand).

-K
Message no. 13
From: wafflemiester <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: Wolf and Raven....
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 05:19:34 -0500
>
> Re: Wolf and Raven.... (Alfredo B Alves , Mon 16:50)

> >OK, I hope this isn't too much of a spoiler, but it does raise an
> interesting
> >point: Who says your homonculus has to be human-shaped? Why not put
> him in
> >your Westwind, or, for the truly psychotic, in your Panther cannon?
> >
> >Nexx, the very, very odd

Umm, why not have a NON-Homunculous ally have a similar shape? Much
cooler to Manifest a car or BFG out of thin freaking air, and much more
versatile (give it multiple forms).
Obviously, there must be some reasonble limit on possible forms, and
I'd assume that the GM can just say "NO", when the ally's formula is
being designed.

-Mongoose
Message no. 14
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Wolf and Raven....
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:55:23 +0100
And verily, did K is the Symbol hastily scribble thusly...
|Something else we've gotten into here that I -KNOW- is home rule specific is
|Binder went about building an Anthroform drone with his list of skills, had
|already aquired a "variation" on the "Work Loa" spirit via purchasing
edges
|(Home Rule). He specifically crafted the thing, it's cool, but it isn't
|indestructible.
|
|And "WhalaH!"

WhalaH?

|The birth of Kenny in the game. Yep, complete with a hooded orange pullover
|that is really just a ruthenium polymer shirt Binder uses "Fix" on frequently
|in combination with B/R (Fashion).
|
|The drone is great, and when "Kenny" the Loa is inhabiting it, and reaches out
|and smacks the nearby watchers that are annoying various party members, the
|jokes roll about.

Don't tell me. You do the old "Oh my GOD, THEY KILLED KENNY! YOU BASTARDS!"
Joke every week apart from christmas?

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Message no. 15
From: Mike Bobroff <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Wolf and Raven....
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:41:17 EDT
In a message dated 6/9/98 9:55:32 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK writes:

> |The birth of Kenny in the game. Yep, complete with a hooded orange
pullover
> |that is really just a ruthenium polymer shirt Binder uses "Fix" on
> frequently
> |in combination with B/R (Fashion).
> |
> |The drone is great, and when "Kenny" the Loa is inhabiting it, and
reaches
> out
> |and smacks the nearby watchers that are annoying various party members,
the
> |jokes roll about.
>
> Don't tell me. You do the old "Oh my GOD, THEY KILLED KENNY! YOU
BASTARDS!"
> Joke every week apart from christmas?
>

Actually, we do "Oh My God !! Kenny killed <insert object or person> !!!"

And apart from the Bow and Arrows I am making for my new pc ... Kenny is the
coolest thing in the game for the moment ...

-Mike
Message no. 16
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Wolf and Raven....
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:16:28 EDT
In a message dated 6/9/98 4:55:33 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK writes:

> |The drone is great, and when "Kenny" the Loa is inhabiting it, and reaches
> out
> |and smacks the nearby watchers that are annoying various party members,
the
> |jokes roll about.
>
> Don't tell me. You do the old "Oh my GOD, THEY KILLED KENNY! YOU
BASTARDS!"
> Joke every week apart from christmas?
>
Oh of course, and whenever "Kenny" the robot is beaten up, or "Kenny"
the Work
Loa-thing is disrupted back to it's Govi (to which Binder crafted after the
green glowing thing from Anastasia), the image of "No Death" on the back of
the shirt's pattern is updated. Each death means a skeletal finger is
extended from the non-scythe holding hand.

Yep, we had -WAY- to much fun with this.

-K
Message no. 17
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Wolf and Raven....
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:26:27 EDT
In a message dated 6/9/98 8:42:05 AM US Eastern Standard Time, Airwasp@***.COM
writes:

> Actually, we do "Oh My God !! Kenny killed <insert object or person>
!!!"
>
> And apart from the Bow and Arrows I am making for my new pc ... Kenny is
the
> coolest thing in the game for the moment ...
>
Oh yeah, forgot about this one. And the other night having him/it hop around
on it's inverted track-ball of a motivator was a scream too.

And the -real- reason I wanted the "Work Loa-thing?" as a player???? Check
out what a Work Loa does while it's inhabiting things....

-K

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