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Message no. 1
From: Reika ladyreika@*********.com
Subject: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:26:32 -0700
James Mick wrote:
>
<<snip stuffs))


> An alternative suggestion though. Instead of making Wolvie a phys-ad,
> just cybernetically augment him. He was a science experiment (Weapon X)
> anyway. The claws are easy...cyberspurs. Adamantium lacing can be
> replaced with titanium bone lacing (or if you're feeling creative come
> up with the stats for adamantium and maybe even incorporate the
> discovery of this compound into a campaign) and you can heighten the
> senses and strength with cyberware as well. The only thing this leaves
> is the healing factor, though which any true Wolverine fan will tell
> you...is a MUST. Now I'm not certain on this one, but I think there's
> cyberware for that too... I'd have to look though...
>
> Snik-snik!


Hmm, I was thinking about making Wolverine as an SR char while watching
the movie today. And yes, it was the best movie based on a comic, I've
seen. *g*

Anyway...instead of making Wolvie's healing ability a physad power or a
piece of cyber, make it an edge. I was thinking along the lines of an 8
point edge, called (surprisingly enough *g*) Regeneration. Have it be
balanced by the flaws, combat monster, impulsive, amnesia, vindictive,
and enemies.

As for the adamantium....I'd have to say as bonelacing, give it an
essence cost of 3, adds +3 to body and does Str+5 stun damage when you
punch someone (if you notice, when Logan hits someone...they generally
go down, depending on who it is of course :) )). For spurs that are made
of the stuff...I'd say normal essence cost, and it would do Str+4 M
damage, *MAYBE* S damage, but M is more within the realms of reason.

All of the above is just random thoughts, nothings been really hashed
out.


Reika
Message no. 2
From: James Mick sinabian@********.net
Subject: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:04:46 -0400
Found the healing factor. It's bioware. Shadowtech, page 15. Symbiotes.
Level 3 speeds up healing to twice normal speed. (GM intervention could
devise a level 4 or 5 that would be even more effective) There you have
it boys an' goils. Wolvie, aka Logan, aka Patch. Possible Yakuza
contact. Metahuman rights activist contacts (X-Men). Might consider
making him an orc to reflect him being a "mutie", but that would be a
character by character decision. Human works just as well. You'd have to
be sure to give him bike skill though. Don't forget Wolverine owns a
Harley! (And of course he'd have form-fitting body armor, ie - one of
the various Wolverine jumpsuits ...there were two in the comics for as
long as I read...)

All in all he'd be pretty easy to build and in fact I think I can see
myself making up a Wolverine character some time in the near future.


"I'm the best there is at what I do, bub!" <snikt>
Message no. 3
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 01:37:05 -0700 (PDT)
> Found the healing factor. It's bioware. Shadowtech,
page 15. Symbiotes. Level 3 speeds up healing to twice
normal speed. (GM intervention could devise a level 4
or 5 that would be even more effective) There you have
it boys an' goils
> "I'm the best there is at what I do, bub!" <snikt>
<snipt(TM)>

Actually, I'd suggest taking two two nanotech
cyberdevices (nanohive and nano facilitator, or
something like that) and nanosymbiotes...

====Doc'
(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow, aka Doc'booner, aka Doc' Vader)

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Message no. 4
From: Phil Smith phil_urbanhell@*******.com
Subject: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 10:36:34 GMT
>From: James Mick <sinabian@********.net>
>Found the healing factor. It's bioware. Shadowtech, page 15. Symbiotes.
>Level 3 speeds up healing to twice normal speed. (GM intervention could
>devise a level 4 or 5 that would be even more effective) There you have
>it boys an' goils. Wolvie, aka Logan, aka Patch. Possible Yakuza
>contact. Metahuman rights activist contacts (X-Men). Might consider
>making him an orc to reflect him being a "mutie", but that would be a
>character by character decision.

Ork works just fine, just give him the human looiking edge.

>All in all he'd be pretty easy to build and in fact I think I can see
>myself making up a Wolverine character some time in the near future.

Not that I want to urinate over you guy's metaphorical fire here, but you do
know that there is an X-men RPG don't you; where they do all this for you.

BTW, have we discussed The Beast as an SR character yet? Troll, bonus point
and exceptional attribute in intelligence...

Phil

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Message no. 5
From: James Mick sinabian@********.net
Subject: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 11:32:44 -0400
> Not that I want to urinate over you guy's metaphorical fire here, but you do
> know that there is an X-men RPG don't you; where they do all this for you.


I have heard absolutely nothing good about any of the superhero RPGs,
but then I've never personally tried them. I would just like to have a
Wolvie character in Shadowrun some time. My brother's worse. He spent a
month once just building characters based on other characters that he
could think of. (Most of them will never see the light of day, he just
liked building and designing the characters...we're never in want of an
archetype. Just tell Bill what ya want and he's got the stats all drawn
up!)
Message no. 6
From: Phil Smith phil_urbanhell@*******.com
Subject: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:22:06 GMT
>From: James Mick <sinabian@********.net>
>I have heard absolutely nothing good about any of the superhero RPGs,
>but then I've never personally tried them. I would just like to have a
>Wolvie character in Shadowrun some time. My brother's worse. He spent a
>month once just building characters based on other characters that he
>could think of. (Most of them will never see the light of day, he just
>liked building and designing the characters...we're never in want of an
>archetype. Just tell Bill what ya want and he's got the stats all drawn
>up!)

You can download a wolverine vs brood quickstart style file from
<mumblemumble>'s web site, I can't vouch for it being any good though.

SR is a far better system than any of the games that are going to deal you
some ready-made Wolverine stats, I just didn't like to think of all you guys
spending weeks simularing the quick healing abilities oblivious to the
Marvel Heroes RPGs just a few dollars away :)>

Phil

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Message no. 7
From: Patrick Goodman pgoodman13@************.com
Subject: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:22:53 -0500
From: Phil Smith
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 12:22 PM

> You can download a wolverine vs brood quickstart style file
> from <mumblemumble>'s web site, I can't vouch for it being
> any good though.

It was also printed in some issue of DRAGON a year or so ago. Not bad for a
solo introduction to the game's mechanics, certainly better than many
quick-start thingies out there, but I really don't much like the SAGA card
system that the game uses (sorry, Steve K., I just don't; all our other
conversations on the subject aside, I just didn't buy into it). I like my
MSH the old fashioned way, with percentile dice and a weird looking chart.

And why do so many people have trouble saying Wizards of the Coast?
Contrary to popular belief, they aren't the Anti-Christ.

> SR is a far better system than any of the games that are going to
> deal you some ready-made Wolverine stats...

I disagree. While I love the SR system for what it's good for,
super-powered gaming is not one of those things. It doesn't have the
scalability for good four-color adventures, where street-level heroes are
duking it out side-by-side with gods who can lift hundreds of tons. It
doesn't lend itself to super-powers very well, either, adaptations of spell
abilities notwithstanding.

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Message no. 8
From: Alfredo B Alves dghost@****.com
Subject: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:46:24 -0500
On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:22:53 -0500 "Patrick Goodman"
<pgoodman13@************.com> writes:
<SNIP>
> I
> like my
> MSH the old fashioned way, with percentile dice and a weird looking
> chart.

*Shudder* MSH, for ages 3-6 ... now with a basic rules set too ...

> And why do so many people have trouble saying Wizards of the Coast?
> Contrary to popular belief, they aren't the Anti-Christ.

No, he's just a major stock holder ... ;)

<SNIP>
> I disagree. While I love the SR system for what it's good for,
> super-powered gaming is not one of those things. It doesn't have
> the
> scalability for good four-color adventures, where street-level
> heroes are
> duking it out side-by-side with gods who can lift hundreds of tons.
<SNIP>

Ayup. If I want to wear underroos over spandex, I'll pick up Hero. SR's
system doesn't support the right atmosphere ...

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Message no. 9
From: Patrick Goodman pgoodman13@************.com
Subject: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:03:46 -0500
From: Alfredo B Alves
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 10:46 PM

> > I like my MSH the old fashioned way, with percentile dice and
> > a weird looking chart.
>
> *Shudder* MSH, for ages 3-6 ... now with a basic rules set too ...

Respectfully, Alfredo: If that's what you got out of it, then you weren't
doing something right. Or your GM wasn't. Or something. I've been in this
hobby for a long, long time, and while the original basic set was a little
too simplistic for my tastes, the Advanced Set was extremely well done and
very playable. It captured the atmosphere of the comics beautifully, and
was a damn sight simpler and more playable than DC HEROES or (ugh)
CHAMPIONS. (We'll leave VILLAINS & VIGILANTES and Palladium's HEROES
UNLIMITED out of this, since those were/are both horrid jokes.)

Your mileage, of course, may vary, but I think you did something wrong.

> > And why do so many people have trouble saying Wizards of the
> > Coast? Contrary to popular belief, they aren't the Anti-Christ.
>
> No, he's just a major stock holder ... ;)

I'm not going to get into this one, Alfredo. Joking or not, I think you're
wrong.

> Ayup. If I want to wear underroos over spandex, I'll pick up Hero.

Bleah.

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Message no. 10
From: Alfredo B Alves dghost@****.com
Subject: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:34:40 -0500
On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:03:46 -0500 "Patrick Goodman"
<pgoodman13@************.com> writes:
> From: Alfredo B Alves
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 10:46 PM

> > > I like my MSH the old fashioned way, with percentile dice and
> > > a weird looking chart.

> > *Shudder* MSH, for ages 3-6 ... now with a basic rules set too ...

> Respectfully, Alfredo: If that's what you got out of it, then you
> weren't
> doing something right. Or your GM wasn't.
<SNIP>

What I got was that it was the AD&D of superhero RPGs: too simplistic and
too limiting. Now, I still play AD&D here and there (currently in two
games), and I could enjoy a game of MSH. As far as my personal opion of
the game itself seperate from my ability to enjoy it, it is the worst
game I have ever picked up. Then again, 1) I never picked up some of the
additional expansions (I never found them); and 2) my favorite game is
Rolemaster. :)

> > > And why do so many people have trouble saying Wizards of the
> > > Coast? Contrary to popular belief, they aren't the Anti-Christ.

> > No, he's just a major stock holder ... ;)

> I'm not going to get into this one, Alfredo. Joking or not, I think
> you're
> wrong.

Of course I'm joking. That's what the smiley is for. :P~ I actually agree
with you, WOTC, is NOT evil incarnate. They are just "the big fish" and
get picked on when another company's sales don't do as well as expected.
Now, I'm sure they're not a bunch of saints either; they're ordinary
folks out to make a buck just like everyone else.

> > Ayup. If I want to wear underroos over spandex, I'll pick up Hero.

> Bleah.

The image or Hero? ;)

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Message no. 11
From: Ahrain Ahrain-Drigar@**********.com
Subject: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:23:02 -0400
----- Original Message -----
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.com>
Subject: Re: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)


<SNIP>

> Ayup. If I want to wear underroos over spandex, I'll pick up Hero. SR's
> system doesn't support the right atmosphere ...

Only some Supers genres are like that. Though the old system left a little
(ahem) to be desired, the Champions suplement "Dark Champions: Heroes of
vengence" was excellent for portraying a different edge to "Super Heroes".

Spandex was/is an evil creation created by women so they can tell
.......(ahem) Nevermind. : P

*NOTE the : P

Ahrain


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Message no. 12
From: Jett zmjett@*********.com
Subject: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 05:48:39 -0400
While we're on the topic...

Let us keep a few things in mind here about Wolvie:

1) He's exceptionally strong. I would say around an 8 or 9.
2) He's pretty damn fast, too.
3) He has exceptional senses.

Cybered phys ad, most definitely. :>

What about a regeneration phys ad power?


The reason I bring this up is because I have a character who can regenerate.
However, she's not a shifter, not a mutant, etc. She's a fey-cursed being (long
story, and she's an NPC so I have some room to bend the rules, but not too
much). It wouldn't even have to be regenerating at the rate of a shifter,
however fast it is they heal now. Even a box a minute, or every five minutes, is
an astonishing rate. Call a broken arm an M wound, say. Fifteen minutes and your
arm is all patched up? Pretty damn good. Beats the hell out of six weeks in a
cast, I say. ;) Anyone have any ideas on numbers for this?


Okay, while we're at it, what about a Regeneration spell? A spell that, when
quickened or used in a spell lock (and yes, you SR3 fanatics may scream "But
spell locks don't exist anymore", but hey, they do in my little world.), lets
you heal at a higher rate?

Hmmm...

--Jett
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here."
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Message no. 13
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:56:57 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Thursday, July 20, 2000 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)


>While we're on the topic...
>
>Let us keep a few things in mind here about Wolvie:
>
>1) He's exceptionally strong. I would say around an 8 or 9.
>2) He's pretty damn fast, too.
>3) He has exceptional senses.
>

He's strong, but not unusually so. I'd give his Str a 5, or at the very most
a 6 myself.
Message no. 14
From: Cullyn cullyn@*********.net.au
Subject: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:52:10 +1000
<Everybody Snip>

I've been watching this thread for a while now. Looking to see if
someone has actually made up Wolverine as a sheet character. Either
I've missed it or it hasn't been done yet.

Anyone want to take up the job, or repost it?

-Cullyn
-Cullyn. First High Veddek of the minions for The Violent Shovel!
Message no. 15
From: danzig138 d138@*****.net
Subject: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:28:30 -0500
-----Original Message-----
From: shadowrn-admin@*********.com
[mailto:shadowrn-admin@*********.com]On Behalf Of Simon and Fiona
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 6:57 PM
To: shadowrn@*********.com
Subject: Re: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)



-----Original Message-----
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Thursday, July 20, 2000 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)


>While we're on the topic...
>
>Let us keep a few things in mind here about Wolvie:
>
>1) He's exceptionally strong. I would say around an 8 or 9.
>2) He's pretty damn fast, too.
>3) He has exceptional senses.
>

He's strong, but not unusually so. I'd give his Str a 5, or at the very most
a 6 myself.


Wolverine's strength in TOHOTMU is listed as Enhanced Human (800-4,000
pounds),
but he always seemed to me to be on par wit Captain America (Peak Human), so
I'd
go with a 9.
Message no. 16
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:34:03 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: danzig138 <d138@*****.net>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Friday, July 21, 2000 12:25 PM
Subject: RE: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)


>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: shadowrn-admin@*********.com
>[mailto:shadowrn-admin@*********.com]On Behalf Of Simon and Fiona
>Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 6:57 PM
>To: shadowrn@*********.com
>Subject: Re: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jett <zmjett@*********.com>
>To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
>Date: Thursday, July 20, 2000 7:40 PM
>Subject: Re: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)
>
>
>>While we're on the topic...
>>
>>Let us keep a few things in mind here about Wolvie:
>>
>>1) He's exceptionally strong. I would say around an 8 or 9.
>>2) He's pretty damn fast, too.
>>3) He has exceptional senses.
>>
>
>He's strong, but not unusually so. I'd give his Str a 5, or at the very
most
>a 6 myself.
>
>
>Wolverine's strength in TOHOTMU is listed as Enhanced Human (800-4,000
>pounds),
>but he always seemed to me to be on par wit Captain America (Peak Human),
so
>I'd
>go with a 9.
>

The sad thing is, I know what TOHOTMU is. I really am a nerd. Back on topic,
it depends on whether you use that optional rule on stats going above the
racial maximum. I despise the rule myself, and think that 6 is a decent peak
for a human. Maybe olympians who train for 12 hours a day and have
regimented diets are above the maximum, but not a Shadowrunner.
Message no. 17
From: Steve Collins einan@*********.net
Subject: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 00 22:49:38 -0500
On 7/20/00 8:52 pm, Cullyn said:

><Everybody Snip>
>
>I've been watching this thread for a while now. Looking to see if
>someone has actually made up Wolverine as a sheet character. Either
>I've missed it or it hasn't been done yet.
>
>Anyone want to take up the job, or repost it?
>
>-Cullyn
>-Cullyn. First High Veddek of the minions for The Violent Shovel!
>
>
>


Been there, done that, even played him for a while. He wasn't the cybered
Physad, just cyber and wasn't close to exact but I'll see if I can find
his stats and post them. I also came pretty close to doing that in a post
on a seperate splinter thread that appears to have been ignored (at least
no one commented on it).

Steve
Message no. 18
From: danzig138 d138@*****.net
Subject: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:51:17 -0500
-----Original Message-----
From: shadowrn-admin@*********.com
[mailto:shadowrn-admin@*********.com]On Behalf Of Simon and Fiona
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 9:34 PM
To: shadowrn@*********.com
Subject: Re: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)


"The sad thing is, I know what TOHOTMU is. I really am a nerd. Back on
topic,
it depends on whether you use that optional rule on stats going above the
racial maximum. I despise the rule myself, and think that 6 is a decent peak
for a human. Maybe olympians who train for 12 hours a day and have
regimented diets are above the maximum, but not a Shadowrunner."

:) I haven't had to deal with that rule yet, so I don't know how well it
actually works. But I can easily see the idea that it would apply only to
people who are able to exercise in a very intensive manner, and regular Joes
are limited to 6. Makes me wonder, do they make special weight sets for Orks
and Trolls? Do the Olympics still exist in SR? If so, how do they deal with
metahumans?
Message no. 19
From: Steve Collins einan@*********.net
Subject: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 00 23:06:46 -0500
On 5/29/45 10:49 pm, Steve Collins said:

>On 7/20/00 8:52 pm, Cullyn said:
>
>><Everybody Snip>
>>
>>I've been watching this thread for a while now. Looking to see if
>>someone has actually made up Wolverine as a sheet character. Either
>>I've missed it or it hasn't been done yet.
>>
>>Anyone want to take up the job, or repost it?
>>
>>-Cullyn
>>-Cullyn. First High Veddek of the minions for The Violent Shovel!
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>Been there, done that, even played him for a while. He wasn't the cybered
>Physad, just cyber and wasn't close to exact but I'll see if I can find
>his stats and post them. I also came pretty close to doing that in a post
>on a seperate splinter thread that appears to have been ignored (at least
>no one commented on it).
>
>Steve
>
>
>


Below is a copy of what I said last week about making Wolverene

________________________________________________________________________
There are 2 ways to make Wolverene, neither one is an exact match but you
can get the essence of him. In one he is a Physad and in the other he is
a Cyberzombie. The Physad method is detailed here as I don't think the
Cyberzombie one gets as close.

Using the Point Based Character System and giving him 80 extra Karma
which are used to buy 4 extra Power points these are his stats.

Bod 7 (8) : Str 6 : Quickness 6 : Int 4 : Chr 2 : Wil 6

Edges/Flaws
Quick Healer
Resistace to Toxins
Resistance to Pathogens
Toughness
Combat Monster
Perceptive
Distinctive Style (gotta love that yellow Spandex :-)
Uncouth
Exceptional Attribute (Bod)
Bonus Attribute Point (Bod)


He has the following Physad powers:
Improved Sense of Smell 0.25
Isolate Scent 0.25
Mystic Armor (3) 1.50
Improved Body (4) 4.00
Improved Strength (1) 1.00
Rapid Healing (6) 3.00

Then add Beta Grade Titanium Bone Lacing, Retractable Spurs (of course
Dikoated), and 1 level of Reaction Enhancers for a total Essence cost of
1.89. The powers he looses to get this Cyber are 2 levels of Rapid
Healing and 1 Level of Improved Body. His stats end up looking like this

Bod 10 (13) : Str 7 : Qui 6 : Int 4 : Chr 2 : Wil 6
Rea 5 (6) : Ess 4.11 : Magic 4
Impact Armor 4 : Ballistic Armor 1

He Rolls 13 Dice for Damage Resistance Tests and 14 Dice (with TN's
reduced by 2) for Healing Tests. This will not quite replicate his
healing abilities but it is as close as you can come. The drawback is
that you cannot do this as a starting character.

___________________________________________________________________________
_______________

I'm not the worlds biggest x-Men fan so I am not sure what his skills
would be but he would have (assuming he didn't have to pay for the Cyber,
if he did you couldn't make him at all) only about 30 points to spend
between them and Resources. If you didn't want to give him the 80 Karma
to start I would lower the Improved Body by 2, eliminate the Improved
Strength, lower the Rapid Healing by 1 and the Mystic Armor by 1.

Steve
Message no. 20
From: Steve Collins einan@*********.net
Subject: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 00 23:10:31 -0500
On 7/20/00 9:51 pm, danzig138 said:

>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: shadowrn-admin@*********.com
>[mailto:shadowrn-admin@*********.com]On Behalf Of Simon and Fiona
>Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 9:34 PM
>To: shadowrn@*********.com
>Subject: Re: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)
>
>
>"The sad thing is, I know what TOHOTMU is. I really am a nerd. Back on
>topic,
>it depends on whether you use that optional rule on stats going above the
>racial maximum. I despise the rule myself, and think that 6 is a decent peak
>for a human. Maybe olympians who train for 12 hours a day and have
>regimented diets are above the maximum, but not a Shadowrunner."
>
>:) I haven't had to deal with that rule yet, so I don't know how well it
>actually works. But I can easily see the idea that it would apply only to
>people who are able to exercise in a very intensive manner, and regular Joes
>are limited to 6. Makes me wonder, do they make special weight sets for Orks
>and Trolls? Do the Olympics still exist in SR? If so, how do they deal with
>metahumans?
>

It is mentioned that they still exist in Shadowbeat but they are greatly
diminished im importance and popularity. They Ban all Magic Use (even by
physad's who might not know they are useing magic), Drug use, and Cyber
use. They probably handle the massive increases in strength of Orcs and
Trolls the same way they do it now in most sports where it matters, they
institute Weight classes.

Steve
Message no. 21
From: danzig138 d138@*****.net
Subject: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:12:15 -0500
-----Original Message-----
From: shadowrn-admin@*********.com
[mailto:shadowrn-admin@*********.com]On Behalf Of Steve Collins
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 11:11 PM
To: Shadowrun List
Subject: RE: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)

"It is mentioned that they still exist in Shadowbeat but they are greatly
diminished im importance and popularity. They Ban all Magic Use (even by
physad's who might not know they are useing magic), Drug use, and Cyber
use. They probably handle the massive increases in strength of Orcs and
Trolls the same way they do it now in most sports where it matters, they
institute Weight classes.

Steve"

Cool. Maybe I should try to get a copy of Shadowbeat. Is it pretty useful?
danzig138
Message no. 22
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:13:18 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Collins <einan@*********.net>
To: Shadowrun List <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Friday, July 21, 2000 12:57 PM
Subject: RE: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)


>>:) I haven't had to deal with that rule yet, so I don't know how well it
>>actually works. But I can easily see the idea that it would apply only to
>>people who are able to exercise in a very intensive manner, and regular
Joes
>>are limited to 6. Makes me wonder, do they make special weight sets for
Orks
>>and Trolls? Do the Olympics still exist in SR? If so, how do they deal
with
>>metahumans?
>>
>
>It is mentioned that they still exist in Shadowbeat but they are greatly
>diminished im importance and popularity. They Ban all Magic Use (even by
>physad's who might not know they are useing magic), Drug use, and Cyber
>use. They probably handle the massive increases in strength of Orcs and
>Trolls the same way they do it now in most sports where it matters, they
>institute Weight classes.
>
It would be a fine line for things like running. Imagine today if they
decided they would have Black, White and Asian, as well as Male and Female.
Negroids have comparitively longer arms and legs than Caucasians, so are
naturally faster, but there is no way on earth they would make the
distinction (Though they do have men's and women's skeet shooting (why?) and
women only synchronised swimming)Now change the word black to elf, and there
is the same situation.

Maybe every country just sends it's biggest trolls, fastest elves, and
wrestlingest dwarfs and they all compete regardless of race. Any country
lacking in the right metatypes would just have to suffer.
Message no. 23
From: James Mick sinabian@********.net
Subject: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:23:36 -0400
>racial maximum. I despise the rule myself, and think that 6 is a decent
peak
>for a human. Maybe olympians who train for 12 hours a day and have
>regimented diets are above the maximum, but not a Shadowrunner.


Maybe not a Shadowrunner, but Wolverine for sure. Not only Cap'n America but
let's not forget the wonderful brawls this guy has had with for instance the
Incredible Hulk. Held is own pretty good...all things considered. And I have
seen instances in the comics of him pulling some pretty superhuman strength
feats. I guess it all depends on personal interpretations...

(To the guy who wanted a char sheet...my brother drew one up for Wolverine a
few months back. May not be what you're looking for but I'll get it from him
and put it up on the list here...)
Message no. 24
From: Phil Smith phil_urbanhell@*******.com
Subject: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:30:07 GMT
>From: "danzig138" <d138@*****.net>
>:) I haven't had to deal with that rule yet, so I don't know how well it
>actually works. But I can easily see the idea that it would apply only to
>people who are able to exercise in a very intensive manner, and regular
>Joes
>are limited to 6. Makes me wonder, do they make special weight sets for
>Orks
>and Trolls? Do the Olympics still exist in SR? If so, how do they deal with
>metahumans?

The Olimpics do still exist in SR, I imagine they have different
competitions for different metatypes; male ork long putt, female ork long
putt ect. I do know that in 2032 they banned physical adepts from
competing. They would probably take the same stance on cyber and bioware as
they do on drugs; it is artificially making your body better than it
naturally is.

Phil

Let us assume we have a can opener.
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Message no. 25
From: paul collins paulcollins@*******.com
Subject: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:43:11 +1000
----- Original Message -----
From: Simon and Fiona <sfuller@******.com.au>
To: <shadowrn@*********.com>
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)


>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jett <zmjett@*********.com>
> To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
> Date: Thursday, July 20, 2000 7:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)
>
>
> >While we're on the topic...
> >
> >Let us keep a few things in mind here about Wolvie:
> >
> >1) He's exceptionally strong. I would say around an 8 or 9.
> >2) He's pretty damn fast, too.
> >3) He has exceptional senses.
> >
>
> He's strong, but not unusually so. I'd give his Str a 5, or at the very
most
> a 6 myself.
>
>

How does a person build up muscle? Well they exercise etc, which causes the
body to lay more muscle tissue (I think while it repairs damage doen to
existing muscle by the exercise but Uni was years ago). Wolvie's healing
factor causes his muscles to build at a faster rate than normal. But to go
to cannon (Well kinda) his strength has been rated up to class 1 (Able to
military press 1 ton) in games and the comics etc.

I would think definatly in the troll catagory for strength.

I believe his quickness and senses abilities also are caused indirectly by
his healing factor, making them the peak humanly possible, far more than
normally possible.

Annachie




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Message no. 26
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:41:15 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: paul collins <paulcollins@*******.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Monday, July 24, 2000 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)


>----- Original Message -----
>From: Simon and Fiona <sfuller@******.com.au>
>To: <shadowrn@*********.com>
>Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 9:56 AM
>Subject: Re: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)
>
>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jett <zmjett@*********.com>
>> To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
>> Date: Thursday, July 20, 2000 7:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)
>>
>>
>> >While we're on the topic...
>> >
>> >Let us keep a few things in mind here about Wolvie:
>> >
>> >1) He's exceptionally strong. I would say around an 8 or 9.
>> >2) He's pretty damn fast, too.
>> >3) He has exceptional senses.
>> >
>>
>> He's strong, but not unusually so. I'd give his Str a 5, or at the very
>most
>> a 6 myself.
>>
>>
>
>How does a person build up muscle? Well they exercise etc, which causes
the
>body to lay more muscle tissue (I think while it repairs damage doen to
>existing muscle by the exercise but Uni was years ago). Wolvie's healing
>factor causes his muscles to build at a faster rate than normal. But to go
>to cannon (Well kinda) his strength has been rated up to class 1 (Able to
>military press 1 ton) in games and the comics etc.
>

More muscle tissue isn't layed, the existing tissue expands and thickens.
They used to think that the muscle fibres split into new ones as muscles
grew larger, and there were concerns that too much muscle might leave you
misshapen in later life. You are born with a certain number of muscle
fibres, and that is all you'll ever have, which is why some people are
naturally stronger than others and most of us will never make it to the
olympics no matter how hard we train.

As for Wovie's str, are you sure? I have never seen him show this kind of
strength, and my old (outdated I admit) Marvel Super Heroes book lists his
Str as Good, which is able to press up to 400 lbs (I'm metricated, this
means nothing to me). The maximum human ability is the next stage up, Ex.

>I would think definatly in the troll catagory for strength.
>
>I believe his quickness and senses abilities also are caused indirectly by
>his healing factor, making them the peak humanly possible, far more than
>normally possible.
>


I agree here.
Message no. 27
From: Patrick Goodman pgoodman13@************.com
Subject: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:43:33 -0500
From: Simon and Fiona
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 8:41 PM

> >Wolvie's healing factor causes his muscles to build at a faster
> >rate than normal. But to go to cannon (Well kinda) his strength
> >has been rated up to class 1 (Able to military press 1 ton) in
> >games and the comics etc.
>
> As for Wovie's str, are you sure? I have never seen him show this
> kind of strength...

After Magneto ripped the adamantium out of his skeleton, his healing factor
shot through the roof, he became more animalistic, and his strength also
increased fairly substantially. While I don't think there was ever an
official write-up of his stats after things got wild, there have been
several fan-written writeups (using the original MSH system) out on the web,
which put his Strength, sans adamantium, at Remarkable level, or about 1
ton.

http://www.marvelheroes.f2s.com/cast/wolverine.htm

The games themselves have never been terribly consistent; the MSH Advanced
Set put his Strength at Good, and the Roster Book in the MSH Adventure Card
game put his Strength at 8, which converts over to Good as well. The
CHILDREN OF THE ATOM supplement to the MSH game, if memory serves, rated his
Strength at Excellent, which is also, I believe, what the OFFICIAL HANDBOOK
game supplement rated him at. All my MSH stuff is presently at another
friend's house, so I can't look it over at the moment.

Honest to God, I'm trying to relate this to Shadowrun. I'm not having a lot
of luck at the moment, but I'll think of something.

> ...and my old (outdated I admit) Marvel Super Heroes book lists
> his Str as Good, which is able to press up to 400 lbs (I'm
> metricated, this means nothing to me).

About 181 kg and change.

> The maximum human ability is the next stage up, Ex.

Which is abou 800 pounds, or 363 kg. Remarkable Strength is up to 1 ton, or
907 kg.

--
Patrick E. Goodman
pgoodman13@************.com
"I'm going to tell you something cool." -- Gene Wolfe
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Message no. 28
From: NeoJudas neojudas@******************.com
Subject: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 22:18:12 -0500
From: "Patrick Goodman" <pgoodman13@************.com>
Subject: RE: Wolverine as an SR char ( was Re: [OT] X-Men)


> > The maximum human ability is the next stage up, Ex.
>
> Which is abou 800 pounds, or 363 kg. Remarkable Strength is up to 1 ton,
or
> 907 kg.

OR, IIRC, on a "RED" die roll, he can do 10 tons (Incredible).

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