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Message no. 1
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: Wood Elemental Question...
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 16:54:36 -0500 (EST)
>> I'm kinda thinking about popping it on my players...Could
>> someone give me some idea for the personality of this character? What
>> are the personalities of the other types of Elementalists? TIA
>>
Ok, do you remember either Treebeard from the Lord of the Rings trilogy, or
maybe the Ogier from Jordan's Wheel of Time series? Either of these would
fit my concept of a wood elemental...

For those of you not familiar with these two characters, basically they have
a very deep, booming voice, and are rather slow and deliberate. They do not
do things with out thinking them through, but are unswerving once they
decide to do something. A very powerful presence, but often quite unless
they have something important or useful to say.

That's my concept of such a creature... :)



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Message no. 2
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Wood Elemental Question...
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 12:17:56 +0100
Steven Ratkovich said on 16:54/16 Sep 96...

> >> I'm kinda thinking about popping it on my players...Could
> >> someone give me some idea for the personality of this character? What
> >> are the personalities of the other types of Elementalists? TIA
> >>
> Ok, do you remember either Treebeard from the Lord of the Rings trilogy, or
> maybe the Ogier from Jordan's Wheel of Time series? Either of these would
> fit my concept of a wood elemental...

Does anyone know if wood elementals can count? That would give a whole
different direction to this (you could use them as house numbers, for
example :)

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Message no. 3
From: dreamwvr@******.co.za (dreamwvr)
Subject: Re: Wood Elemental Question...
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:30:52 -0200 (GMT)
>> >> I'm kinda thinking about popping it on my players...Could
>> >> someone give me some idea for the personality of this character? What
>> >> are the personalities of the other types of Elementalists? TIA

Does it really matter whether an elemental can count? If you, as the GM,
need it to , why not?
Anyway, some ideas for one:
1) Walking Furniture
2) A great old oak tree. With face and hands incl.
3) Pinochio

Comedy: Maybe the elmental bitches the entire time about how people have
turned from nature and don't use wood anymore. Or maybe it's horrified by
the fact that someone would kill a tree for wood. Sorta play it like a pansy.
"Oh my! That naughty man over there. He has a walking stick. And its made of
wood! I could just plutz!"

Serious: Great old wise oak. Could also be funny "When I was your age,
sonny, people had respect for trees. and now . . ."

Mean: Something with a BIG club. "Gotta bash someting, gotta bash someting!"

Enough suggestions?
Message no. 4
From: bluewizard@*****.com (Steven A. Tinner)
Subject: Re: Wood Elemental Question...
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 15:19:37 -0500 (EST)
Anyone looking for a good example of a wood elemental should check out
Chinese/Asian mythology.
The elements are quite different in that mythos.
Hermetically, we have the water vs. fire, air vs. earth conflict.
In the asian myths, it's more of a circle. water vs. earth vs. fire, vs.
wood, vs. air (I think)
Games Worshop has done some work on this stuff in their Warhammer game as
well, check any Nippon references therin.
Also, the asian elements are much more competitive. Each tries to outdo the
other in magic and power.


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Message no. 5
From: dbuehrer@****.org (David Buehrer)
Subject: Re: Wood Elemental Question...
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 13:23:58 -0600 (MDT)
Steven A. Tinner wrote:
|
|Also, the asian elements are much more competitive. Each tries to outdo the
|other in magic and power.

That's pretty cool. It gives them some personality and goals right up
front. Thanks for the tip.

-David

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Message no. 6
From: lobo1@****.com (John E Pederson)
Subject: Re: Wood Elemental Question...
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 18:04:27 PST
On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 15:19:37 -0500 (EST) bluewizard@*****.com (Steven A.
Tinner) writes:
>Anyone looking for a good example of a wood elemental should check out
>Chinese/Asian mythology.
>The elements are quite different in that mythos.
>Hermetically, we have the water vs. fire, air vs. earth conflict.
>In the asian myths, it's more of a circle. water vs. earth vs. fire,
>vs.
>wood, vs. air (I think)
>Games Worshop has done some work on this stuff in their Warhammer game
>as
>well, check any Nippon references therin.
>Also, the asian elements are much more competitive. Each tries to
>outdo the
>other in magic and power.
I was once told by a friend that this set of elements was called the Nin
(sp?) and was Fire, Air, Water, Metal (I've been told there was a Metal
elemental in ED, and that it is simply a variant form of Earth, which is
why it didn't make it to SR), and Wood. I didn't know about the rest of it, though.
> FAMOUS LAST WORDS
> "I don't care who he is, he's not touching MY chick!"
>
>
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Message no. 7
From: lobo1@****.com (John E Pederson)
Subject: Re: Wood Elemental Question...
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 17:55:04 PST
On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:30:52 -0200 (GMT) dreamwvr@******.co.za (dreamwvr)
writes:
>>> >> I'm kinda thinking about popping it on my players...Could
>>> >> someone give me some idea for the personality of this character?
>What
>>> >> are the personalities of the other types of Elementalists? TIA
>
>Does it really matter whether an elemental can count? If you, as the
>GM,
>need it to , why not?
>Anyway, some ideas for one:
>1) Walking Furniture
>2) A great old oak tree. With face and hands incl.
>3) Pinochio
>
>Comedy: Maybe the elmental bitches the entire time about how people
>have
>turned from nature and don't use wood anymore. Or maybe it's horrified
>by
>the fact that someone would kill a tree for wood. Sorta play it like a
>pansy.
>"Oh my! That naughty man over there. He has a walking stick. And its
>made of
>wood! I could just plutz!"
>
>Serious: Great old wise oak. Could also be funny "When I was your age,
>sonny, people had respect for trees. and now . . ."
>
>Mean: Something with a BIG club. "Gotta bash someting, gotta bash
>someting!"
>
>Enough suggestions?
>
>
Presumably, the source for such a spirit would be wood, BUT, would it be
living wood (like a tree), or would large hunks of wood work (ie, could
you use the wood flooring in your townhouse, or must you use the tree in
your yard?)

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| The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving |
| memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even |
| myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes |
| again. |
| --Robert Jordan, _The Wheel of Time_ |
| John "Lobo" Pederson, lobo1@****.com |
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Message no. 8
From: "Sascha Pabst" <Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
Subject: Re: Wood Elemental Question...
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 14:15:35 +0000
On 17 Sep 96 at 12:17, Gurth wrote:
[wood elementals]
> Does anyone know if wood elementals can count? That would give a whole
> different direction to this (you could use them as house numbers, for
> example :)
*grin* been reading Pratchett again, Gurth? :-)

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Message no. 9
From: dreamwvr@******.co.za (dreamwvr)
Subject: Re: Wood Elemental Question...
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 15:42:22 -0200 (GMT)
>Presumably, the source for such a spirit would be wood, BUT, would it be
>living wood (like a tree), or would large hunks of wood work (ie, could
>you use the wood flooring in your townhouse, or must you use the tree in
>your yard?)

Any. Is it a spirit of man? Then house. Nature spirit, likely but not
restricted to a natural plant/tree.
Message no. 10
From: dbuehrer@****.org (David Buehrer)
Subject: Re: Wood Elemental Question...
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 08:16:34 -0600 (MDT)
dreamwvr wrote:
|
|>Presumably, the source for such a spirit would be wood, BUT, would it be
|>living wood (like a tree), or would large hunks of wood work (ie, could
|>you use the wood flooring in your townhouse, or must you use the tree in
|>your yard?)
|
|Any. Is it a spirit of man? Then house. Nature spirit, likely but not
|restricted to a natural plant/tree.

I think dreamwvr was refering to wood elementals, not wood
spirits. I would say that the source for wood elementals
would be any natural source, living or dead. But once wood
has been modified by man then it's no longer considered
"true".

-David

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Message no. 11
From: RAY MACEY <r.macey@*******.qut.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Wood Elemental Question...
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 14:39:50 +1000 (EST)
> Does anyone know if wood elementals can count? That would give a whole
> different direction to this (you could use them as house numbers, for
> example :)

Ah, what? You sort of lost me here.

Ray.

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Message no. 12
From: Hairy Smurf <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Re: Wood Elemental Question...
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 01:00:22 -0400 (EDT)
At 08:16 9/18/96 -0600, you wrote:
>dreamwvr wrote:
>|
>|>Presumably, the source for such a spirit would be wood, BUT, would it be
>|>living wood (like a tree), or would large hunks of wood work (ie, could
>|>you use the wood flooring in your townhouse, or must you use the tree in
>|>your yard?)
>|
>|Any. Is it a spirit of man? Then house. Nature spirit, likely but not
>|restricted to a natural plant/tree.
>
>I think dreamwvr was refering to wood elementals, not wood
>spirits. I would say that the source for wood elementals
>would be any natural source, living or dead. But once wood
>has been modified by man then it's no longer considered
>"true".
>
>-David

So you're saying that wood spirits conjured from furniture would be toxic?

Heh Heh :)

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Message no. 13
From: GRANITE <granite@**.net>
Subject: Re: Wood Elemental Question...
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 00:59:33 -0700
John E Pederson wrote:
> Presumably, the source for such a spirit would be wood,

That wood make the most sense.. ;)

> BUT, would it be
> living wood (like a tree), or would large hunks of wood work (ie, could
> you use the wood flooring in your townhouse, or must you use the tree in
> your yard?)
>

Firts off..if you have wood flooring in the SR2 universe you got big
Nuyen..However, I would say that any of the above would work, I would also
say that what the source would govern up to a point what form the elemental
would take..
Living tree = something kin to a Tree Herder from Tolkein
hunks of woodwork or flooring = mobile furniture or detailed features carved
into humanoid form
log = pinochio
pile of sawdust = something akin to Charlie McCarthy or a simple generic
humanoid sort of form
ect.....
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Message no. 14
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: Wood Elemental Question...
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 03:24:17 -0500 (EST)
>John E Pederson wrote:
>> Presumably, the source for such a spirit would be wood,
>
>That wood make the most sense.. ;)
>

<groan...>

>> BUT, would it be
>> living wood (like a tree), or would large hunks of wood work (ie, could
>> you use the wood flooring in your townhouse, or must you use the tree in
>> your yard?)
>>
>
>Firts off..if you have wood flooring in the SR2 universe you got big
>Nuyen..However, I would say that any of the above would work, I would also
>say that what the source would govern up to a point what form the elemental
>would take..
>Living tree = something kin to a Tree Herder from Tolkein
>hunks of woodwork or flooring = mobile furniture or detailed features carved
> into humanoid form
>log = pinochio
>pile of sawdust = something akin to Charlie McCarthy or a simple generic
> humanoid sort of form

I would say to be caareful what you use to summon the elemental with,
though. You might get some interesting results if the wood you are using
turns out to be formica, or taht little tables covered in a bit TOO much
varnish... To be on the safe side, I'd say always make sure the wood is
pure, the form isn't as important...:)

Just me opinion, don't ye know...:)
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Message no. 15
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Wood Elemental Question...
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 11:01:45 +0100
Sascha Pabst said on 14:15/18 Sep 96...

> [wood elementals]
> > Does anyone know if wood elementals can count? That would give a whole
> > different direction to this (you could use them as house numbers, for
> > example :)
> *grin* been reading Pratchett again, Gurth? :-)

Not that book (not recently, anyway) but I'm glad at least someone got
the reference :)

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Message no. 16
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Wood Elemental Question...
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 12:16:33 +0100
David Buehrer said on 8:16/18 Sep 96...

> I think dreamwvr was refering to wood elementals, not wood
> spirits. I would say that the source for wood elementals
> would be any natural source, living or dead. But once wood
> has been modified by man then it's no longer considered
> "true".

>From looking through a few ED books (Companion and Magic), it seems to me
you don't need a source for summoning an elemental in that game. Also,
it's a bit difficult to actually summon them in the first place: the
Summon talent is only available to 10th circle Nethermancers and 11th
circle Elementalists (I'm no counting humans here, with their Versatility
talent) which is pretty damn high. Then there's the matter of the
elementals having very much a will of their own, and not being the
automatons they are in SR.

Now, for the wood spirit. Wood holds the balance between all the other
elements (it draws in water through its roots, which are in the earth,
etc.) and so wood elementals are sort of special. They are the weakest of
the elementals, and prefer to stay in the astral plane.
If they are summoned, they can be forced to manifest, but only into a tree
or plant. The tree will crumble as soon as the elemental inhabits it, but
the total of the elemental's physical Attributes is equal to the age of
the tree.

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Message no. 17
From: "Galen \"Marphod\" Silversmith" <argentum@****.isca.uiowa.edu>
Subject: Re: Wood Elemental Question...
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 11:46:41 -0500
On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, GRANITE wrote:
> John E Pederson wrote:
> > Presumably, the source for such a spirit would be wood,
>
> That wood make the most sense.. ;)
>
> log = pinochio

Pinocchio? AaaaaaayyyyyyyiiiiiiiiIIII! "Non farmi male!" says the
peice of wood as Galen bashes it to peices.... *whamwhamwham*

Err. Sorry. Italian class flashbacks.


Seriously, though. Much as I require natural materials for summoning
other elementals (natural inscence for air, clean non-toxic dirt for
earth, clean natural water, etc.) I would require the same for a wood
spirit.

Wood shavings, as long as they aren;t chemically tainted or bleached,
would be fine, as would logs, and even trees. But wood flooring has been
chemically treated, as would have decks, cabinets, etc. And it would
need to be 'real' wood, rarther than particle board or plywood.


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Message no. 18
From: "Galen \"Marphod\" Silversmith" <argentum@****.isca.uiowa.edu>
Subject: Re: Wood Elemental Question...
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 11:50:07 -0500
On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, Gurth wrote:
> >From looking through a few ED books (Companion and Magic), it seems to me
> you don't need a source for summoning an elemental in that game. Also,
> it's a bit difficult to actually summon them in the first place: the
> Summon talent is only available to 10th circle Nethermancers and 11th
> circle Elementalists (I'm no counting humans here, with their Versatility
> talent) which is pretty damn high. Then there's the matter of the
> elementals having very much a will of their own, and not being the
> automatons they are in SR.

*blinkblink* nethermancers can summon elementals before elementalists?
*blinkblink* ohhhkaaaaay. I'm not that familiar with the game, but
that doesnt make much sense. Now if nethermances summoned something
more akin to spirits, it would make more, but...
>
> Now, for the wood spirit. Wood holds the balance between all the other
> elements (it draws in water through its roots, which are in the earth,
> etc.) and so wood elementals are sort of special. They are the weakest of
> the elementals, and prefer to stay in the astral plane.
> If they are summoned, they can be forced to manifest, but only into a tree
> or plant. The tree will crumble as soon as the elemental inhabits it, but
> the total of the elemental's physical Attributes is equal to the age of
> the tree.
>
Are the terms spirit and elemental interchangeable in ED, or is there a
specific one we should be using here?



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Message no. 19
From: "Sascha Pabst" <Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
Subject: Re: Wood Elemental Question...
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 17:53:21 +0000
On 19 Sep 96 at 14:39, RAY MACEY wrote:
> > Does anyone know if wood elementals can count? That would give a whole
> > different direction to this (you could use them as house numbers, for
> > example :)
> Ah, what? You sort of lost me here.

On 19 Sep 96 at 11:01, Gurth wrote:
> Sascha Pabst said on 14:15/18 Sep 96...
[sme quote as above]
> > *grin* been reading Pratchett again, Gurth? :-)
> Not that book (not recently, anyway) but I'm glad at least someone got
> the reference :)

That should help you, Ray. Althogh I gotta admit I don't recall which of
Pratchett's Discworld Books it was in. It _might_ have been "The Light
Phantasic", though.

Sascha
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Message no. 20
From: GRANITE <granite@**.net>
Subject: Re: Wood Elemental Question...
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 19:48:33 -0700
Steven Ratkovich wrote:
> <groan...>
>

You had to know someone wood do it.. ;)
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Because They Pissed Me Off.
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Message no. 21
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Wood Elemental Question...
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:24:54 +0100
Galen \ said on 11:50/19 Sep 96...

> *blinkblink* nethermancers can summon elementals before elementalists?
> *blinkblink* ohhhkaaaaay. I'm not that familiar with the game, but
> that doesnt make much sense. Now if nethermances summoned something
> more akin to spirits, it would make more, but...

I know, I think it says somewhere that elementalists can summon elementals
using "half-magic" at any circle, without needing the Summon talent for
it. But I don't have all that much ED experience either, so I'm not sure
what half-magic is, or how it works...

> Are the terms spirit and elemental interchangeable in ED, or is there a
> specific one we should be using here?

In ED terms, "spirit" refers to any spirit in the astral plane, while
"elemental" means an elemental spirit that has manifested on the physical
plane.

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Message no. 22
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Wood Elemental Question...
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:24:54 +0100
Sascha Pabst said on 17:53/19 Sep 96...

> > > *grin* been reading Pratchett again, Gurth? :-)
> > Not that book (not recently, anyway) but I'm glad at least someone got
> > the reference :)
>
> That should help you, Ray. Althogh I gotta admit I don't recall which of
> Pratchett's Discworld Books it was in. It _might_ have been "The Light
> Phantasic", though.

I don't think it was that one. I'll look it up in the Discworld Companion
(very handy :)... Counting Pines... about a third of a page, so I won't
bother typing it in, but it comes down to those pines deciding that
humans cut trees down so they could see how old the trees were. So the
pines conveniently displayed their exact age on the trunk, at eye-level.
"Within a year they were felled almost to extinction by the ornamental
house number-plate industry".

It also says they're from Reaper Man, BTW :)

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Message no. 23
From: "Mark Steedman" <M.J.Steedman@***.rgu.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Wood Elemental Question...
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:24:21 GMT
Gurth writes
>
> I know, I think it says somewhere that elementalists can summon elementals
> using "half-magic" at any circle, without needing the Summon talent for
> it. But I don't have all that much ED experience either, so I'm not sure
> what half-magic is, or how it works...
>
Half magic is out of the Adepts way i think. Elabourated on elsewhere
i think.
The roll is perception plus half adepts circle rounded up.
its used for all those minor things an adept should be able to do
that the talents don't cover. Cleaning weapons, knowledge of
discipline etc, a good catch all, 'i know you can do that but the
rules don't cover it, ok half magic roll'. Better than T$R's floor to
through the ceiling rules approach (complete with holes you can fly
starships through) i wonder why i prefer FASA :)

Mark

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