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Message no. 1
From: Wordman wordman@*******.com
Subject: World Map (and the Sixth World web site)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:06:57 -0400
IronRaven wrote:
> At 21.45 08-06-99 -0400, you wrote:
> >Well, FASA hasn't but this guy has, it's pretty good.
> >http://www.flashpt.com/lward/sixthworld/default.html

The official URL for the Sixth World is:

http://pobox.com/~wordman/sixthworld

You'll note that this takes you to a different place than the one listed
above. (Looks like I need more redirects on my old flashpt.com site).

> Errr.....
> It has some problems.

Yup.

> Occording to the world history found in the front of SR2, Italy and
> southern France fragmented into city-states.

These I missed; however, this won't probably affect the world map much, just
the pages on Italy and France. Germany, for example, is also a bunch of
fragmented city states, but on the map it is a single country. If I was less
lazy, I would draw out all the borders.

Also, if you see that the world map does not match your expectations, there
is a change that the page details of the country on the Sixth World site
mention this fact, and what choices were made in displaying the map the way
it is.

> They also make it sound like
> Amazonia has been able to grab most, if not all of South America, with
> (IIRC) Bolivia being mentioned by name as one of the consumed.

If you find a reference on that, let me know. I know the treatment of
Columbia is inconsistent, as mentioned on the Amazonia page.

>Hong Kong also seperated, and is functioning as an independent city-state.

If you zoom in far enough on the world map, you will see Hong Kong Free
Enterprise Zone is separated.

> It is
> strongly suggested in Rigger BB that Astralia and New Zealand are one
> nation, and have significant holdings/beach heads in New Guinea, possibly
> the rest of the south Pacific. None of these are shown in his map.

I missed this one as well. Could you mail me a page reference?

> I also question if Iraq could aviod being consumed into one
> of the other,
> larger Middle Eastern coutnries. They are tough, but not that tough.

As do I. The map of the Middle East was based on a write up submitted to
NERPS, in lieu of any official information from FASA. (FASA has written all
of about 50 words on the Middle East). This information is listed on the
Middle East page. Since this article was never (and will never be)
published, I may revert to the standard Sixth World philosophy: assume a
country has not changed unless indicated otherwise.

> In
> Africa, he shows Libya being consumed by the Algerians, but is not the
> Desert Wars occuring in Libiya, not Algeria.

Again, this was from the NERPS write up. I will probably change this as
well. I take the comment in Cyberpirates to be the guide here. Something to
the effect of "any country you heard of in school probably doesn't exists,
and in six months, the countries you know now won't either".

> As for the "Pan-African
> Federation", I strongly doubt it would be THAT big.

It is, but it isn't really a confederation. As explained on the Pan-African
Federation page, this region is really just a wild land of constantly
shifting microstates, fiefdoms, corp-enclaves and would-be empires, as
detailed in Cyberpirates. I should probably give the region a less official
sounding name.

> While it is a good start, that map is lacking.

Yup. I could use more mail like this, listing places that I have missed.

>It is time for FASA to give us a map, at least.

It was time for FASA to give us a map seven years ago. Three years ago, I
grew tired of waiting.

Wordman
Message no. 2
From: IronRaven cyberraven@********.net
Subject: World Map (and the Sixth World web site)
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 21:56:54 -0400
At 11.06 08-09-99 -0400, you wrote:
>> strongly suggested in Rigger BB that Astralia and New Zealand are one
>I missed this one as well. Could you mail me a page reference?

Throughout the commentary (the Condor comes to mind first). Other than
that, I can't find what I thought was in there, but remember reading a
reference to Anzac forces in New Guinea somewheres, but it may have been
net-based. (In any case, I'm keeping it- I like how "Anzac" rolls off the
tongue. However, I also like German opera, so my auditory/linguistic
astetics can be questioned at will. <g>)

Also, I hadn't realised until I went back today that you could click on
the map for blurbs. Ooops. My error. If had noticed that stuff was
provisional, I wouldn't have said as much.


Kevin Dole, aka CyberRaven, aka IronRaven, aka Steel Tengu
http://members.xoom.com/iron_raven/
"Once again, we have spat int he face of Death and his second cousin,
Dismemberment."
"'Impossible' is a term used by those of little imagination or intelligence
to describe that which they can not understand."

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