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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Max Noel)
Subject: Wujen and conjuring...
Date: Thu Aug 15 12:50:02 2002
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Hoi chummers!

The last addition to our group of runners is a Wujen mage, and we found
out that the spirit "domain" rules for Wujen are a bit fuzzy. MitS states
that "to determine the spirit's domain boundaries, use a radius of
Force*10m from where the spirit was conjured". Does this mean "from the
exact point where the spirit was conjured", or "from the entity that was
used to conjure the spirit"?
In other words, if I decide to conjure a spirit from a forest (element:
wood), is its domain a 10m radius sphere, or the forest + 10m?

Thanks in advance,
-- Wild_Cat

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Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Jonathan)
Subject: Wujen and conjuring...
Date: Thu Aug 15 19:55:00 2002
----- Original Message -----
From: "Max Noel" <maxnoel_fr@*****.fr>
To: <shadowrn@*********.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 2:24 PM
Subject: Wujen and conjuring...


> Hoi chummers!
>
> The last addition to our group of runners is a Wujen mage, and we found
> out that the spirit "domain" rules for Wujen are a bit fuzzy. MitS states
> that "to determine the spirit's domain boundaries, use a radius of
> Force*10m from where the spirit was conjured". Does this mean "from the
> exact point where the spirit was conjured", or "from the entity that was
> used to conjure the spirit"?
> In other words, if I decide to conjure a spirit from a forest (element:
> wood), is its domain a 10m radius sphere, or the forest + 10m?

10m radius sphere.

If it was 10m from the domain it would read

Force * 10m from the domain in which it was conjured, but since it says
point you can't just say the entire forest is a single point.

at least not literally and spells to me are literal rather than figurative.
Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Damion Milliken)
Subject: Wujen and conjuring...
Date: Fri Aug 16 09:15:00 2002
Jonathan writes:

> 10m radius sphere.
>
> If it was 10m from the domain it would read
>
> Force * 10m from the domain in which it was conjured, but since it says
> point you can't just say the entire forest is a single point.
>
> at least not literally and spells to me are literal rather than figurative.

The actual wording of the rule is:

"Spirits of the elements cannot leave their domain, except for great
form spirits (see p. 100). Use a radius of Force x 10 meters from
where the spirit was summoned as a guide for determining the
boundary of a spirit's domain."

It doesn't mention a "point" at all. In fact, it talks about entire domains.
So I would say that a spirit of the element cannot go any further than 10 m
from its domain.

The flip side of this argument, however, is that in order to qualify for
"domain" status for spirits of the elements, a domain is "wherever the
force
of their natural element is strong and powerful". Thus, it would be arguable
if a forest would qualify as a domain for a manitous. Perhaps the
undisturbed grove in the middle of the forest with 100 year old trees, but
probably not the whole forest. This is a bit of a GM call, however, as the
rules make no specific call.

--
Damion Milliken University of Wollongong
Unofficial Shadowrun Guru E-mail: dam01@***.edu.au
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Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Michael Bobroff)
Subject: Wujen and conjuring...
Date: Fri Aug 16 10:20:01 2002
----- Original Message -----
From: "Max Noel" <maxnoel_fr@*****.fr>


> Hoi chummers!
>
> The last addition to our group of runners is a Wujen mage, and we found
> out that the spirit "domain" rules for Wujen are a bit fuzzy. MitS states
> that "to determine the spirit's domain boundaries, use a radius of
> Force*10m from where the spirit was conjured". Does this mean "from the
> exact point where the spirit was conjured", or "from the entity that was
> used to conjure the spirit"?

>From the exact point of where the spirit was conjured. Please note that
great-form spirits of the elements do not suffer from this restriction.

> In other words, if I decide to conjure a spirit from a forest (element:
> wood), is its domain a 10m radius sphere, or the forest + 10m?

Using (Force x 10)meters, a force 5 spirit of the woods would be able to
function within a 50 meter radius of where it was conjured.

Hope this helps,
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Mike "Herc" Bobroff
Hoosier Hacker House

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