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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Ryan Myers)
Subject: Yamatetsu Aquadome?
Date: Mon Feb 12 02:35:01 2001
I have been working my victims^H^H^H^H^H^H^H team slowly into becoming
retainer forces for Yamatetsu... in the 3e Corporate Download I finally
noticed that one of their subdivisions has a self-sustaining underwater
habitat in the Sea of Japan, in fact it won them the Draco Foundation
5million nuyen prize from the Bid D's will for the first self-sustaining
underwater community.

Since my players have not only become semi complacent (as much as I'll let
them) with their current state of residences and their existing equipment,
and they do not have much in the way of underwater knowledge, moving them on
location would be a rather nice way to shake up their confidence, maybe give
them a good reason not to carry around ACs :-) Does anyone know of novels,
resources, etc. on the Saotome Aquadome, or barring that, have any
particularly good pointers on underwater engineering and/or existing
underwater habitats?

Thanks in advance,

- Ryan Myers (borisian@***********.com)
- http://www.pointofnoreturn.org

I'd put my money where my mouth is, but my mouth keeps moving. -Larry Wall
Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Allen Versfeld)
Subject: Yamatetsu Aquadome?
Date: Mon Feb 12 02:40:01 2001
Ryan Myers wrote:

> I have been working my victims^H^H^H^H^H^H^H team slowly into becoming
> retainer forces for Yamatetsu... in the 3e Corporate Download I finally
> noticed that one of their subdivisions has a self-sustaining underwater
> habitat in the Sea of Japan, in fact it won them the Draco Foundation
> 5million nuyen prize from the Bid D's will for the first self-sustaining
> underwater community.
>
> Since my players have not only become semi complacent (as much as I'll let
> them) with their current state of residences and their existing equipment,
> and they do not have much in the way of underwater knowledge, moving them on
> location would be a rather nice way to shake up their confidence, maybe give
> them a good reason not to carry around ACs :-) Does anyone know of novels,
> resources, etc. on the Saotome Aquadome, or barring that, have any
> particularly good pointers on underwater engineering and/or existing
> underwater habitats?

2 novels that come to mind immediately are 'The Abyss' (I forget the
author), and 'Sphere' by Michael Crichton. They both give detailed
descriptions of (I assume) current day underwater habitats. I'd just
modernise it all a bit, make it a bit roomier, bring it up to 2061
standards :)


--
Allen Versfeld
moe@*******.za.net

QVANTI CANICVLA ILLE IN FENESTRA
Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Ryan Myers)
Subject: Yamatetsu Aquadome?
Date: Mon Feb 12 03:00:01 2001
Allen Versfield wrote:
>
> 2 novels that come to mind immediately are 'The Abyss' (I forget the
> author), and 'Sphere' by Michael Crichton. They both give detailed
> descriptions of (I assume) current day underwater habitats. I'd just
> modernise it all a bit, make it a bit roomier, bring it up to 2061
> standards :)

Own both the books, own both the movies in collector's edition DVDs :-)
Abyss is surprisingly accurate (at certain points) given the subject matter
at hand, but I'm trying to keep away from too many allusions to it. (That,
and I have to be fairly accurate also, since one of the players has
experience with deep sea diving.)

Also consider that at the moment, the largest underwater habitat in the
world is AQUARIUS off the Florida Keys, which holds six researchers
comfortably for a maximum of a ten day stretch. Some considerable advances
I think will be in order before we can create a habitat large enough to be
self sustaining.

- Ryan Myers (borisian@***********.com)
- http://www.pointofnoreturn.org

I'd put my money where my mouth is, but my mouth keeps moving. -Larry Wall
Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Shane/Eleanor/Amy)
Subject: Yamatetsu Aquadome?
Date: Mon Feb 12 06:05:00 2001
>Also consider that at the moment, the largest underwater habitat in the
>world is AQUARIUS off the Florida Keys, which holds six researchers
>comfortably for a maximum of a ten day stretch. Some considerable advances
>I think will be in order before we can create a habitat large enough to be
>self sustaining.

You got me looking around with that comment, and I found a bit of info on
Aquarius at http://www.uncwil.edu/nurc/aquarius/

Will be good for my Vladivostok campaign. The players have no idea. [evil GM
grin]

Shane
Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Rat)
Subject: Yamatetsu Aquadome?
Date: Mon Feb 12 13:45:01 2001
From: "Ryan Myers" <borisian@***********.com>


>
> Does anyone know of novels,
> resources, etc. on the Saotome Aquadome, or barring that, have any
> particularly good pointers on underwater engineering and/or existing
> underwater habitats?
>

Don't know if this'll be helpful, but the novel "Shadowboxer"
(ptui!) contains some stuff about underwater habitats.

Terrible book, but this info might prove useful to you. The
author is Nicholas Pollotta (sp?)

--Rat

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Message no. 6
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Ryan Myers)
Subject: Yamatetsu Aquadome?
Date: Mon Feb 12 16:35:01 2001
Shane/Eleanor/Amy scribbled:
> >Also consider that at the moment, the largest underwater habitat in the
> >world is AQUARIUS off the Florida Keys, which holds six researchers
> >comfortably for a maximum of a ten day stretch. Some considerable
advances
> >I think will be in order before we can create a habitat large enough to
be
> >self sustaining.
>
> You got me looking around with that comment, and I found a bit of info on
> Aquarius at http://www.uncwil.edu/nurc/aquarius/
>
> Will be good for my Vladivostok campaign. The players have no idea. [evil
GM
> grin]

Haha yeah, I hit there too... it has some nice visuals on the location and
bathymetric location on the sea shelf... I have yet to find a blueprint or
floor plan of the place tho, just the IRIX walkthrough.

- Ryan Myers (borisian@***********.com)
- http://www.pointofnoreturn.org

I'd put my money where my mouth is, but my mouth keeps moving. -Larry Wall
Message no. 7
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Shane/Eleanor/Amy)
Subject: Yamatetsu Aquadome?
Date: Mon Feb 12 16:40:01 2001
>Haha yeah, I hit there too... it has some nice visuals on the location and
>bathymetric location on the sea shelf... I have yet to find a blueprint or
>floor plan of the place tho, just the IRIX walkthrough.

It shouldn't be too hard to draw a floorplan from the walkthrough.

Shane
Message no. 8
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Ryan Myers)
Subject: Yamatetsu Aquadome?
Date: Mon Feb 12 16:50:01 2001
Shane/Eleanor/Amy scribbled:
> >Haha yeah, I hit there too... it has some nice visuals on the location
and
> >bathymetric location on the sea shelf... I have yet to find a blueprint
or
> >floor plan of the place tho, just the IRIX walkthrough.
>
> It shouldn't be too hard to draw a floorplan from the walkthrough.

Except that the thing is boring :-) The unit is a single floor, single
walkway, bunks at one end and the wetroom at the other with the labs
inbetween. The place is comfortable, no doubt - running freshwater, shower,
a decent net connect for being deepsea... but I feel it's not quite enough
to expand properly to a full-sized aquadome with hydroponic plant capable of
sustaining the population therein, much less the rest involved in a
completely self-sustaining system. I need more cheezy sci-fi shows to work
with ;-)

- Ryan Myers (borisian@***********.com)
- http://www.pointofnoreturn.org

I'd put my money where my mouth is, but my mouth keeps moving. -Larry Wall
Message no. 9
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Shane/Eleanor/Amy)
Subject: Yamatetsu Aquadome?
Date: Mon Feb 12 16:55:01 2001
>I need more cheezy sci-fi shows to work
with ;-)

We NEED the floorplan of the one in the Abyss.

Shane
Message no. 10
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Jonathan Choy)
Subject: Yamatetsu Aquadome?
Date: Mon Feb 12 17:15:01 2001
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shane/Eleanor/Amy" <s.hyde@*****.net.nz>
To: <shadowrn@*********.com>
Sent: 13 February 2001 1:54 PM
Subject: RE: Yamatetsu Aquadome?


> >I need more cheezy sci-fi shows to work
> with ;-)
>
> We NEED the floorplan of the one in the Abyss.
>
> Shane
*starts hunting* Lemme see what I can find - I think there was a floor plan
in the Orson Scott Card parallel novel to the movie... (not novelization,
really... too well written for that (what do you want, it's OSC))

Tetsujin no Oni
Message no. 11
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Shane/Eleanor/Amy)
Subject: Yamatetsu Aquadome?
Date: Mon Feb 12 17:20:01 2001
>*starts hunting* Lemme see what I can find - I think there was a floor plan
>in the Orson Scott Card parallel novel to the movie... (not novelization,
>really... too well written for that (what do you want, it's OSC))

There's not a lot at the Studio website. It'd probably be a better bet at a
fansite.

There's also Leviathan, which was a crap version of The Abyss

Shane
Message no. 12
From: shadowrn@*********.com (abortion_engine)
Subject: Yamatetsu Aquadome?
Date: Mon Feb 12 21:40:01 2001
From: "Shane/Eleanor/Amy" <s.hyde@*****.net.nz>
> >I need more cheezy sci-fi shows to work
> with ;-)
>
> We NEED the floorplan of the one in the Abyss.

I have one. Would you like it?

You know, the fact that I have the floorplan to the DEEPCORE probably
doesn't even surprise anyone anymore. What do I have to do to /impress/ you
people nowadays? :)
Message no. 13
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Shane Hyde)
Subject: Yamatetsu Aquadome?
Date: Mon Feb 12 21:50:01 2001
>I have one. Would you like it?

Yes please!! Send it on to shane@*******.co.nz so that everyone on the list doesn't get
annoyed at us.

>You know, the fact that I have the floorplan to the DEEPCORE probably
>doesn't even surprise anyone anymore. What do I have to do to /impress/ you
>people nowadays? :)

Deepcore?
I'm impressed. I think.
What's Deepcore and can I score the floorplan to that, too?

Shane
Message no. 14
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Ryan Myers)
Subject: Yamatetsu Aquadome?
Date: Mon Feb 12 21:55:01 2001
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shane Hyde" <shane@*******.co.nz>
To: <shadowrn@*********.com>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 6:50 PM
Subject: RE: Yamatetsu Aquadome?


> >I have one. Would you like it?
>
> Yes please!! Send it on to shane@*******.co.nz so that everyone on the
list doesn't get annoyed at us.
>
> >You know, the fact that I have the floorplan to the DEEPCORE probably
> >doesn't even surprise anyone anymore. What do I have to do to /impress/
you
> >people nowadays? :)
>
> Deepcore?
> I'm impressed. I think.
> What's Deepcore and can I score the floorplan to that, too?

Send one my way too, if you're in the mood for kindness :-)

- Ryan Myers (borisian@***********.com)
- http://www.pointofnoreturn.org

I'd put my money where my mouth is, but my mouth keeps moving. -Larry Wall
Message no. 15
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Nexx)
Subject: Yamatetsu Aquadome?
Date: Mon Feb 12 22:05:01 2001
----- Original Message -----
From: "abortion_engine"

> You know, the fact that I have the floorplan to the DEEPCORE probably
> doesn't even surprise anyone anymore. What do I have to do to /impress/
you
> people nowadays? :)

Get us a floorplan for the Aztechnology Pyramid in downtown Portland. ;-)
Message no. 16
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Shane Hyde)
Subject: Yamatetsu Aquadome?
Date: Mon Feb 12 22:10:01 2001
>Get us a floorplan for the Aztechnology Pyramid in downtown Portland. ;-)

Actually - while we're on 'strange and unusual floorplans'... does anyone have the plans
for Miir?

Shane
Message no. 17
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Ryan Myers)
Subject: Yamatetsu Aquadome?
Date: Mon Feb 12 22:15:01 2001
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nexx" <nexx@********.net>

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "abortion_engine"
>
> > You know, the fact that I have the floorplan to the DEEPCORE probably
> > doesn't even surprise anyone anymore. What do I have to do to /impress/
> you
> > people nowadays? :)
>
> Get us a floorplan for the Aztechnology Pyramid in downtown Portland. ;-)

Haha... I in fact was hoping FASA would do a 3e New Portland, since all the
players in my present group and myself live in the Portland area or around
it... *cough*WizKids?*cough*

Speaking of which... does anyone know much about WizKids' past behavior wrt
non-profit licensing? I've been wanting to do a SR MOO for the last few
years (as a vehicle for pbem or other cannot-meet-in-person SR players and
GMs, not a total SR game) but FASA wouldn't even return my emails or phone
calls to say no.

- Ryan Myers (borisian@***********.com)
- http://www.pointofnoreturn.org

I'd put my money where my mouth is, but my mouth keeps moving. -Larry Wall
Message no. 18
From: shadowrn@*********.com (abortion_engine)
Subject: Yamatetsu Aquadome?
Date: Mon Feb 12 22:15:04 2001
From: "Shane Hyde" <shane@*******.co.nz>
> >I have one. Would you like it?
>
> Yes please!! Send it on to shane@*******.co.nz so that everyone on the
list doesn't get annoyed at us.

Will do. I have to scan it; I'm sure someone around here will do that for
me. [Around here in real life, that is.]

> >You know, the fact that I have the floorplan to the DEEPCORE probably
> >doesn't even surprise anyone anymore. What do I have to do to /impress/
you
> >people nowadays? :)
>
> Deepcore?
> I'm impressed. I think.
> What's Deepcore and can I score the floorplan to that, too?

That's what you're getting. ;) DEEPCORE is the module in the Abyss.

I'll get that scanned in...tomorrow? Hopefully. If not, sometime very soon.

From: "Shane Hyde" <shane@*******.co.nz>
> Send one my way too, if you're in the mood for kindness :-)

Most certainly.
Message no. 19
From: shadowrn@*********.com (abortion_engine)
Subject: Yamatetsu Aquadome?
Date: Mon Feb 12 22:15:07 2001
From: "Nexx" <nexx@********.net>
> From: "abortion_engine"
> > You know, the fact that I have the floorplan to the DEEPCORE probably
> > doesn't even surprise anyone anymore. What do I have to do to /impress/
> you
> > people nowadays? :)
>
> Get us a floorplan for the Aztechnology Pyramid in downtown Portland. ;-)

Hmm... ;)
Message no. 20
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Ryan Myers)
Subject: Yamatetsu Aquadome?
Date: Mon Feb 12 22:15:10 2001
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shane Hyde" <shane@*******.co.nz>
To: <shadowrn@*********.com>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 7:10 PM
Subject: RE: Yamatetsu Aquadome?


> >Get us a floorplan for the Aztechnology Pyramid in downtown Portland.
;-)
>
> Actually - while we're on 'strange and unusual floorplans'... does anyone
have the plans for Miir?
>
> Shane

Those are online at several astronomy websites... although it is a somewhat
moot point, since Mir is currently enroute to a firey grave in the Pacific
ocean due to lack of funding.

NASA's website has plans for the ISS, which is far more interesting an
environment anyways. ;-)

- Ryan Myers (borisian@***********.com)
- http://www.pointofnoreturn.org

I'd put my money where my mouth is, but my mouth keeps moving. -Larry Wall
Message no. 21
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Nexx)
Subject: Yamatetsu Aquadome?
Date: Mon Feb 12 22:20:01 2001
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Myers"
>
> NASA's website has plans for the ISS, which is far more interesting an
> environment anyways. ;-)

Especially since the current ISS is the Shadowrun Zurich Orbital...
Message no. 22
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Shane Hyde)
Subject: Yamatetsu Aquadome?
Date: Mon Feb 12 22:40:01 2001
>Those are online at several astronomy websites... although it is a
somewhat
>moot point, since Mir is currently enroute to a firey grave in the Pacific
>ocean due to lack of funding.

Yeah. I know. It's big news here. We're all gonna have to duck. The
Russians are aiming to miss Australia... which is nice. I don't think they
looked at where New Zealand is, however.

>NASA's website has plans for the ISS, which is far more interesting an
>environment anyways. ;-)

It does? Wonderful.

And BTW; Abortion Engine. Thanks!

Shane
Message no. 23
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Walter Scheper)
Subject: Yamatetsu Aquadome?
Date: Mon Feb 12 23:20:01 2001
On 12 Feb 2001, at 21:37, abortion_engine wrote:

> From: "Shane/Eleanor/Amy" <s.hyde@*****.net.nz>
> > >I need more cheezy sci-fi shows to work
> > with ;-)
> >
> > We NEED the floorplan of the one in the Abyss.
>
> I have one. Would you like it?
>
> You know, the fact that I have the floorplan to the DEEPCORE probably
> doesn't even surprise anyone anymore. What do I have to do to /impress/ you
> people nowadays? :)
>
I too would like a copy of that. And you, a_e, impress me almost every time you
post something.

Ah, flattery. Greasing the wheels of civilization for 100,000 years and more.
:)


That is all
-Walter
---------------------------------------------------------
"We musn't run short of filmbase. Else how could we flood
village and city with our information? The people must
learn how well I govern them. How would they know if we
didn't tell them?"
-Duke Leto Atreides, Frank Herbert's _Dune_
Message no. 24
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Damon Casantini)
Subject: Yamatetsu Aquadome?
Date: Mon Feb 12 23:35:01 2001
A_E,
While your at it could you send me a copy too. (I hate feeling like a
me-tooer) Also I'm re-doing my Shadowrun pages; do you know if this is
copyrighted to anyone?

Thanks,
Damon

-----Original Message-----
From: shadowrn-admin@*********.com
[mailto:shadowrn-admin@*********.com]On Behalf Of abortion_engine
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 9:38 PM
To: shadowrn@*********.com
Subject: Re: Yamatetsu Aquadome?


From: "Shane/Eleanor/Amy" <s.hyde@*****.net.nz>
> >I need more cheezy sci-fi shows to work
> with ;-)
>
> We NEED the floorplan of the one in the Abyss.

I have one. Would you like it?

You know, the fact that I have the floorplan to the DEEPCORE probably
doesn't even surprise anyone anymore. What do I have to do to /impress/ you
people nowadays? :)
Message no. 25
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Bai Shen)
Subject: Yamatetsu Aquadome?
Date: Tue Feb 13 09:15:01 2001
> > Send one my way too, if you're in the mood for kindness :-)
> Most certainly.

Me threee. :)

Bai Shen
Message no. 26
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: Yamatetsu Aquadome?
Date: Tue Feb 13 22:25:01 2001
"Ryan Myers" <borisian@***********.com> wrote,

> Does anyone know of novels,
> resources, etc. on the Saotome Aquadome, or barring that, have any
> particularly good pointers on underwater engineering and/or existing
> underwater habitats?

It doesn't cover the Saotome Aquadomes per se, but you might want to
check out Target: Smuggler Havens. There it talks about underwater
aquacologies in general and goes into particular detail about security
measures used around and inside an aquacology.

>From what I understand, underwater aquacologies were also going to be
covered in the formerly-upcoming-now-in-limbo Target: Wastelands (which
was originally supposed to be released this summer, but in light of
FASA's closure, who knows).

<shameless plug>Oh, and you might want to check out Rigger 3. It has
rules for underwater vehicles, and the construction system has been
upgraded to include minisubs and underwater drones.</shameless plug>

-- Jon
Message no. 27
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: Yamatetsu Aquadome?
Date: Tue Feb 13 22:25:04 2001
Rat <winterhawk@*********.net> wrote,

> Don't know if this'll be helpful, but the novel "Shadowboxer"
> (ptui!) contains some stuff about underwater habitats.
>
> Terrible book, but this info might prove useful to you. The
> author is Nicholas Pollotta (sp?)

ACK!!! NO!!! The background material is as bad as the book!

-- Jon
Message no. 28
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Mike and Jill Johnson)
Subject: Yamatetsu Aquadome?
Date: Wed Feb 14 03:00:01 2001
At 10:26 PM 2/13/01 -0500, you wrote:
><shameless plug>Oh, and you might want to check out Rigger 3. It has
>rules for underwater vehicles, and the construction system has been
>upgraded to include minisubs and underwater drones.</shameless plug>
>
>-- Jon

I didn't see anyone else mention this so I will. According to Rigger3,
Yamatetsu has been awarded the reward for having the first self-sustaining
aquacology.

Mike
Message no. 29
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Ryan Myers)
Subject: Yamatetsu Aquadome?
Date: Wed Feb 14 03:30:01 2001
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike and Jill Johnson" <shadowrn@******.net>
To: <shadowrn@*********.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: Yamatetsu Aquadome?


> At 10:26 PM 2/13/01 -0500, you wrote:
> ><shameless plug>Oh, and you might want to check out Rigger 3. It has
> >rules for underwater vehicles, and the construction system has been
> >upgraded to include minisubs and underwater drones.</shameless plug>
> >
> >-- Jon
>
> I didn't see anyone else mention this so I will. According to Rigger3,
> Yamatetsu has been awarded the reward for having the first self-sustaining
> aquacology.

I mentioned in my email, but somewhat obliquely. This was mentioned, along
with an interesting plot idea re: their competitors for the prize (Draco) in
Corporate Download under the assets of Yamatetsu, who owns Saetome.

I want a copy of Rigger3 :-(

- Ryan Myers (borisian@***********.com)
- http://www.pointofnoreturn.org

I'd put my money where my mouth is, but my mouth keeps moving. -Larry Wall

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