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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Year of the Comet Thoughts *****{SPOILERS!}*****
Date: Mon Jul 30 08:45:00 2001
Ok, same idea as I posted on the Dumpshock Forums... I'm not giving spoilers here (At
least, not until I have an actual copy of the book in my hands, which means post-Gen
Con)...

However, I'd like to see what the few of you who already have YotC think about it :]

Bull

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Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Year of the Comet Thoughts *****{SPOILERS!}*****
Date: Mon Jul 30 13:25:01 2001
According to Steven Ratkovich, on Mon, 30 Jul 2001 the word on the street
was...

> Ok, same idea as I posted on the Dumpshock Forums... I'm not giving
> spoilers here (At least, not until I have an actual copy of the book in my
> hands, which means post-Gen Con)...

I guess it's going to be later than that for me, what with US -> rest of
the world shipping and all...

> However, I'd like to see what the few of you who already have YotC think
> about it :]

Trying not to give away spoilers here either, but the main impression it
left me with is that there is a LOT going on in the SR world all of a
sudden, and how much actually changes. Especially after several years of
not all that much happening, this may come as a bit of a surprise to many
players, I think.

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Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Year of the Comet Thoughts *****{SPOILERS!}*****
Date: Mon Jul 30 13:30:01 2001
>>> Gurth <Gurth@******.nl> 07/30/01 12:25PM >>>
I guess it's going to be later than that for me, what with US -> rest of
the world shipping and all...
<<<<<

I wouldn;t be too sure... I think the Germans actually got their version first.
<shrug>

>>>>>Trying not to give away spoilers here either, but the main impression
it
left me with is that there is a LOT going on in the SR world all of a
sudden, and how much actually changes. Especially after several years of
not all that much happening, this may come as a bit of a surprise to many
players, I think.
<<<<<

<grin>

Good :]

Bull

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Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Steadfast)
Subject: Year of the Comet Thoughts *****{SPOILERS!}*****
Date: Mon Jul 30 15:50:01 2001
And thus spoketh Bull on the day July 30, 2001 a.d. regarding Year of the
Comet Thoughts *****{SPOILERS!}*****:

> >I guess it's going to be later than that for me, what with US -> rest of
> >the world shipping and all..

> I wouldn;t be too sure... I think the Germans actually got their version
first. <shrug>

To make it clear, germany got the english version, not the german version.
They (FP) will do the german version later this year.

> >Trying not to give away spoilers here either, but the main impression it
> >left me with is that there is a LOT going on in the SR world all of a
> >sudden, and how much actually changes. Especially after several years of
> >not all that much happening, this may come as a bit of a surprise to many
> >players, I think.
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Hopefully nuff spoilerspace.

K, They did an impressive resdistribution of the 'old world.
They toppled Japan.
In a way they made Aztlan anxious for regaining they're face.
They brought back the turmoil of the Cal frees with a vengeance and they
made certain that the arabian states are a possible powerbroker in the
future.
Denver turned upside down, we can and will expect serious bizz over there in
the near future, realy exiting things can happen there with all the no more
or less power off nations that once ruled the city. Life for Joe average
will be nearly the same (exept the Azzi...erhm CAS sectors) but
possibilities are high for political intrigues and blackmail plus running
against/for the dragon.
CalFree gives lots of opportunities for either Mercenaries (Huzzah, Matador
IS living and kikin :)) or intel-survey plus a lot of possible black ops for
either Con or Federal Johnson.
Japan, we'll see what China (ehrm, the dragon states I'll guess) will do
with such an interesting and good opportunity arisen in old Japan.
Surge and the whole 2nd goblinisation, good for the Earthdawn plot (that
could'nt be dropped once it was on the roll, though they did it with the
comet on a good level, perhaps something for things to come in the following
centuries. So it still keeps logical timeframes and does not all of a sudden
get up to supa-dupa-mojo-land, but it gives the people who like the
Earthdawn idee something to work with. Though I do not like the Surge bonus
of astral perception (simply personal observation ;))
Also the upstarting riots during this time, absolutely nice and wonderfull
for some fast and furios actiones for having the players of guard and to
have some personal 'runs' (saving that hoofed boy over there from the
frenzied mop, investigating some policlubbers etc.) Interesting how the cons
will try to get more examples of SURGE people after the SURGE dwindles and
use perhaps high ambient mana levels to 'create' SURGE'lings ... uhm,
forget that, that would be to crazy, does'nt it?
;)
What else, oh, sure, Orichalcum rush, nice for some personal profit... maybe
hr hr.
New Spirits, gotta love it to see what precautions the mage will take to get
his body not arrested by some Ghost, or for some Spirit hunting groups.
I'lkl guess I've overlooked some ideas, but it is for this only very
imporessing and in a way all logical for me. Maybe in the future, after
several re readings that change a bit, but I am rather impressed to say the
leesed.
Overall, I realy do guess, we have some very interesting new plot moves in
the making, not that centered on a single theme, but on rather many. The
corp wars and the AI where nice, but they where quite narrowed, now one has
so many possibilities at hand, I love it.
I do hope that the players and GMs out there will not succumb to only one
theme, but test some of them, though each has space for many a campaign with
a bit of work.
One word:
Thumps up
erh... 2 words, k ;)

> Good :]
At last. :)
Daniel aka
Steadfast
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Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Year of the Comet Thoughts *****{SPOILERS!}*****
Date: Tue Jul 31 08:35:00 2001
>>> "Steadfast" <steadfast@***.at> 07/30/01 03:00PM >>>

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Hopefully nuff spoilerspace.
<<<<<

Glad to see you liked it all. As someone on the forums asked me, you can blame me for:

Directly: The critters. That was the only section that I actually wrote that got used.

Indirectly: Most of it, as I was one of the lucky schlubs in Chicago brainstorming this
puppy :]

So as you can tel, I'm anxious to see what everyone thinks and hoping everyone (more or
less) likes it.

Yes, there's a TON of material and events in there. the idea was to do a LOT of different
stuff that we can play off of (And the players can play off of) for a long time to come :]

Bull

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Message no. 6
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: Year of the Comet Thoughts *****{SPOILERS!}*****
Date: Fri Aug 3 04:05:10 2001
On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Steven Ratkovich wrote:

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> Glad to see you liked it all. As someone on the forums asked me, you can blame me
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used.
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OK, so I've read a bit more of YOTC now, and two things strike me straight
off - the descriptions of the new paranormal critters, right at the end in
the "players" section, does that sound to anyone like a drake?
can we have drakes in SR? oh PLEASE! ahem.
so, will drakes be in Wake of the comet do people think, am I mistaken
about drakes, and finally, since my game is going to have drakes at this
point, dammit, how do people think the SURGE conversion/stats etc would
go? I dont have SRcompanion, though I intend to get it. I do have the ED
Dragons pdf though. more on that later.

Near the end of the book, towards the "GM" section it has a full page
picture of what looks like a large beast grabbing/eating haley's comet, as
the probes race to inercetp the comet. so, what do epopel think it is?
another great dragon? the horrors? Evil Alien Thing From Outer Space
(some to take our women)?

Dragons again (ok, so there are three points! i didnt expect the spanish
inquisition!). The Big Bad Guy in denver. is he one of the ones in
EDDragons.pdf? sounds a lot like icewing...or his (ex)mate. could the
raids in denver be gathering the soulstones he used to communicate with
said mate? I dont have the denver sourcebook, so am speculating wildly...
(the best kind, I feel!)

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Message no. 7
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Hekate Trismegista)
Subject: Year of the Comet Thoughts *****{SPOILERS!}*****
Date: Fri Aug 3 04:45:02 2001
John@*****.co.uk wrote:
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> On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Steven Ratkovich wrote:
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> OK, so I've read a bit more of YOTC now, and two things strike me straight
> off - the descriptions of the new paranormal critters, right at the end in
> the "players" section, does that sound to anyone like a drake?
> can we have drakes in SR? oh PLEASE! ahem.

I thought drakes had been in SR since the Dragon Heart trilogy. At least
one, at any rate.*

> so, will drakes be in Wake of the comet do people think, am I mistaken
> about drakes, and finally, since my game is going to have drakes at this
> point, dammit, how do people think the SURGE conversion/stats etc would
> go? I dont have SRcompanion, though I intend to get it. I do have the ED
> Dragons pdf though. more on that later.

It would be very difficult (impossible, even) to get a drake from the
SURGE rules, I suspect.

> Near the end of the book, towards the "GM" section it has a full page
> picture of what looks like a large beast grabbing/eating haley's comet, as
> the probes race to inercetp the comet. so, what do epopel think it is?
> another great dragon? the horrors? Evil Alien Thing From Outer Space
> (some to take our women)?

I think it's a montage of several elements of YotC.

> Dragons again (ok, so there are three points! i didnt expect the spanish
> inquisition!). The Big Bad Guy in denver. is he one of the ones in
> EDDragons.pdf? sounds a lot like icewing...or his (ex)mate. could the
> raids in denver be gathering the soulstones he used to communicate with
> said mate? I dont have the denver sourcebook, so am speculating wildly...
> (the best kind, I feel!)

I posted a list of parallels between Icewing and Ghostwalker here:

http://forums.dumpshock.com//Forum1/HTML/002804-6.html

You will need to scroll down to find it. I posted it under the name
"Hekate."

* Tying your drakes question together with your question about
Ghostwalker, I note that Icewing is known as Doll-maker amongst the
dragons of Barsaive. He's known for dealing with spirits and creating
drakes. So if Ghostwalker is Doll-maker, who knows what might happen?
Message no. 8
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: Year of the Comet Thoughts *****{SPOILERS!}*****
Date: Fri Aug 3 05:30:02 2001
On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Hekate Trismegista wrote:

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> > OK, so I've read a bit more of YOTC now, and two things strike me straight
> > off - the descriptions of the new paranormal critters, right at the end in
> > the "players" section, does that sound to anyone like a drake?
> > can we have drakes in SR? oh PLEASE! ahem.
>
> I thought drakes had been in SR since the Dragon Heart trilogy. At least
> one, at any rate.*
>

yes, but I was meaning playable ones, with stats and where they fit on the
charecter creation (can you say rare! I think so :-)

> > so, will drakes be in Wake of the comet do people think, am I mistaken
> > about drakes, and finally, since my game is going to have drakes at this
> > point, dammit, how do people think the SURGE conversion/stats etc would
> > go? I dont have SRcompanion, though I intend to get it. I do have the ED
> > Dragons pdf though. more on that later.
>
> It would be very difficult (impossible, even) to get a drake from the
> SURGE rules, I suspect.

mm, sorry, wasn't quite clear enough on that, I meant that, using the
SURGE as an excuse/trigger, to bring in Drakes. Do other peole think that
the description at the end of the critters sounded like drakes?

>
> > Near the end of the book, towards the "GM" section it has a full page
> > picture of what looks like a large beast grabbing/eating haley's comet, as
> > the probes race to inercetp the comet. so, what do epopel think it is?
> > another great dragon? the horrors? Evil Alien Thing From Outer Space
> > (some to take our women)?
>
> I think it's a montage of several elements of YotC.
>

could well be, then again, it could be a bid to get conspiracy theorists
like myself to scream "the probes were interceptted! but by WHAT!!!!?"

which it obviously has...:-)


>
> I posted a list of parallels between Icewing and Ghostwalker here:
>
> http://forums.dumpshock.com//Forum1/HTML/002804-6.html
>
> You will need to scroll down to find it. I posted it under the name
> "Hekate."

just read it. cool. sounds good/plausible to me. any ideas where he's
been all this time (must finish reading that section...)?

>
> * Tying your drakes question together with your question about
> Ghostwalker, I note that Icewing is known as Doll-maker amongst the
> dragons of Barsaive. He's known for dealing with spirits and creating
> drakes. So if Ghostwalker is Doll-maker, who knows what might happen?
>

mmm. oh, yeah. sounds good to me...

somethings just occured to me... dragons can create drakes. Natashas
(sp?) Davier (damn no books handy, you know, Dunk's translator) appeared
out of nowhere to be his translator... ryan mercury's atracted to her,
later turns out to be a drake. does anyone thing she could also be a
drake?

oh, I just love these theories! :-)

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Message no. 9
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Hekate Trismegista)
Subject: Year of the Comet Thoughts *****{SPOILERS!}*****
Date: Fri Aug 3 06:10:02 2001
John@*****.co.uk wrote:
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> yes, but I was meaning playable ones, with stats and where they fit on the
> charecter creation (can you say rare! I think so :-)

I was just being mean. I don't know that we'll ever see playable rules,
but it would be interesting to see if we do.

> > It would be very difficult (impossible, even) to get a drake from the
> > SURGE rules, I suspect.
>
> mm, sorry, wasn't quite clear enough on that, I meant that, using the
> SURGE as an excuse/trigger, to bring in Drakes. Do other peole think that
> the description at the end of the critters sounded like drakes?

Oh, yes. When I read that I thought he was definitely a drake. I suspect
that it's either the SURGE or Doll-maker calling on old bloodlines.

> > I think it's a montage of several elements of YotC.
> >
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> could well be, then again, it could be a bid to get conspiracy theorists
> like myself to scream "the probes were interceptted! but by WHAT!!!!?"

Good point. In that case, I'd say that the creature is whatever it wants
to be.

> which it obviously has...:-)
>
> > I posted a list of parallels between Icewing and Ghostwalker here:
> >
> > http://forums.dumpshock.com//Forum1/HTML/002804-6.html
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> > You will need to scroll down to find it. I posted it under the name
> > "Hekate."
>
> just read it. cool. sounds good/plausible to me. any ideas where he's
> been all this time (must finish reading that section...)?

This is all wild conjecture.

It's like this, you see. Icewing and Ghost Scales were apparently an
item during the 4th Age (when Ghost Scales was alive, and maintained a
relationship after her death). Shadowmountain, Icewing, and Ghost Scales
all insist that this wasn't a bad thing despite the breach of draconic
tradition (note also Dunkelzahn's break from tradition in his will.
Quite the iconoclast, he was).

When the fourth world wound down into the mana-light fifth, Ghost Scales
faded from this world, and Icewing went into slumber, but his astral
form/soul followed his paramour to this netherworld (Death's home? A
draconic version of the Metaplane of the Dead (MitS, page 106 for
reference). He wasn't dead, but he spent the time there to be with Ghost
Scales - this is pure conjecture, with a touch of romance and overtones
of Orpheus that I happen to like.

The Sixth World winds up, Dunkelzahn awakens, eventually becomes
president of the UCAS just so he can sacrifice himself in a massive
blood magic ritual to stop the Enemy (Horrors) from entering the world
too early (Dragon Heart trilogy). Looking at Earthdawn magic (naming,
threads, true patterns, etc) and looking at the circumstances of
Dunkelzahn's death (he tied his pattern directly to the UCAS' pattern -
and look in Super Tuesday to see what elements of the UCAS he tried to
emphasize during his campaign. Potent stuff for naming/thread magic). I
suspect that Dunkelzahn-as-UCAS-chief-executive was a more potent
sacrifice than otherwise.

Dunkelzahn, aka Shadowmountain, is Icewing's brother. They each had one
of All-Wing's eyes (EDDragons, their respective entries) and had many
interests in common, but with different approaches. I suspect they
remained very close up to the point they went into "slumber," and would
have remained close had Icewing returned before Dunkelzahn's death.

What event, other than a blood magic sacrifice of a Great Dragon in the
heart of a country he's just woven himself into, could tear open a hole
directly from the physical plane to a draconic Metaplane of the Dead? Or
perhaps the home metaplane/netherworld of the Passion of Death - from
Harlequin's Back, we know that at least some Passions still exist, and
Death seems to be rather fundamental. Since the Black Sea isn't a
boiling cauldron of molten rock, it's safe to assume that enough blood
was shed to free it.

So, Dunkelzahn's spirit arrives in the dragons' land of the dead,
complete with a conduit back, perhaps deliberately to allow Icewing to
return earlier than the mana level would normally allow. Unfortunately,
by returning, Icewing opens the way for a large variety of previously
unknown (to the 6th World, perhaps even the 4th) spirits, such as the
shedim (clearly somehow connected to death, or rather the remains of the
dead).

> > * Tying your drakes question together with your question about
> > Ghostwalker, I note that Icewing is known as Doll-maker amongst the
> > dragons of Barsaive. He's known for dealing with spirits and creating
> > drakes. So if Ghostwalker is Doll-maker, who knows what might happen?
> >
>
> mmm. oh, yeah. sounds good to me...

I meant to say "He's known as Doll-maker *because* he makes more drakes
than other dragons."

> somethings just occured to me... dragons can create drakes. Natashas
> (sp?) Davier (damn no books handy, you know, Dunk's translator) appeared
> out of nowhere to be his translator... ryan mercury's atracted to her,
> later turns out to be a drake. does anyone thing she could also be a
> drake?

Note that Lofwyr has an aid who is described as being very similar in
appearance to Nadja Daviar, that they could almost be sisters. I cannot
recall her name, but I believe it's mentioned in Dunkelzahn's Will.

She could be a drake, but I consider another possibility that she's one
of the elves descended from Alamaise, who might also happen to be
immortal (Blood Wood, EDDragons, Denizens of Earthdawn, vol. 1).

Of course, she could also be a drake. It doesn't appear that a straight
answer will come out of FanPro, which is fine with me.

> oh, I just love these theories! :-)

I do also. Great fun to try to make sense out of the hints and bits the
books offer.
Message no. 10
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Lars Wagner Hansen)
Subject: Year of the Comet Thoughts *****{SPOILERS!}*****
Date: Fri Aug 3 08:30:06 2001
From: <John@*****.co.uk>
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Steven Ratkovich wrote:
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> > >>> "Steadfast" <steadfast@***.at> 07/30/01 03:00PM
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> OK, so I've read a bit more of YOTC now, and two things strike me straight
> off - the descriptions of the new paranormal critters, right at the end in
> the "players" section, does that sound to anyone like a drake?
> can we have drakes in SR? oh PLEASE! ahem.

Drakes have been in SR for a long time.

You can find the Firedrake in Critters page 29 and Paranormal Animals of North
America page 64-65. The Icedrake in Critters page 33 and Parano... page 88-89,
and lastly the Sea Drak on page 138-139 of Para...

But who would like to play one of those

:-)

Lars
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Message no. 11
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: Year of the Comet Thoughts *****{SPOILERS!}*****
Date: Fri Aug 3 08:40:02 2001
On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Lars Wagner Hansen wrote:

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> You can find the Firedrake in Critters page 29 and Paranormal Animals of North
> America page 64-65. The Icedrake in Critters page 33 and Parano... page 88-89,
> and lastly the Sea Drak on page 138-139 of Para...
>
> But who would like to play one of those
>
> :-)

dang. well, I dont have ANY of those books (and since they havent come up
on ebay.co.uk, and i cant get them at my game store, I'm not likely to be
able to just yet :-) what are they like?

besides, dont those sound like the "lesser drakes" from the Earthdawn
dragons sourcebook......? a good place to start, though..

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Message no. 12
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Achille Autran)
Subject: Year of the Comet Thoughts *****{SPOILERS!}*****
Date: Sat Aug 4 04:35:01 2001
>Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 03:16:16 -0700
>From: Hekate Trismegista <res0idv9@*******.net>

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> > mm, sorry, wasn't quite clear enough on that, I meant that, using the
> > SURGE as an excuse/trigger, to bring in Drakes. Do other peole think that
> > the description at the end of the critters sounded like drakes?
>
>Oh, yes. When I read that I thought he was definitely a drake. I suspect
>that it's either the SURGE or Doll-maker calling on old bloodlines.

Especially with that comment of a certain Quicksilver... Shall we see a
Drake Rights Kommission soon?

>It's like this, you see. Icewing and Ghost Scales were apparently an
>item during the 4th Age (when Ghost Scales was alive, and maintained a
>relationship after her death). Shadowmountain, Icewing, and Ghost Scales
>all insist that this wasn't a bad thing despite the breach of draconic
>tradition (note also Dunkelzahn's break from tradition in his will.
>Quite the iconoclast, he was).

Damn, I had totally forgotten that part... If you've read my post on the
DSF, then you've got to agree that Ghost Scales as Zebulon makes much, much
sense... Don't forget that somehow free spirits manage to cross the
low-mana ages (Imago, Denver, that Zebulon dude is old, some reference in
TT I believe by Dunky about a free spirit being the oldest living person of
the world). Funny twist on the name, in that case.

Molloy
Message no. 13
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Hekate Trismegista)
Subject: Year of the Comet Thoughts *****{SPOILERS!}*****
Date: Sat Aug 4 05:20:01 2001
Achille Autran wrote:
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> >Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 03:16:16 -0700
> >From: Hekate Trismegista <res0idv9@*******.net>
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> > > mm, sorry, wasn't quite clear enough on that, I meant that, using the
> > > SURGE as an excuse/trigger, to bring in Drakes. Do other peole think that
> > > the description at the end of the critters sounded like drakes?
> >
> >Oh, yes. When I read that I thought he was definitely a drake. I suspect
> >that it's either the SURGE or Doll-maker calling on old bloodlines.
>
> Especially with that comment of a certain Quicksilver... Shall we see a
> Drake Rights Kommission soon?

I hope not. I'd rather that the extant drakes remain covert. You'd only
know that Ryanthusar is a drake if you've read the Dragon Heart trilogy
or the various Shadowrun forums, not from reading the actual rulebooks.
That they exist is definite, who they are is not. :-)

> >It's like this, you see. Icewing and Ghost Scales were apparently an
> >item during the 4th Age (when Ghost Scales was alive, and maintained a
> >relationship after her death). Shadowmountain, Icewing, and Ghost Scales
> >all insist that this wasn't a bad thing despite the breach of draconic
> >tradition (note also Dunkelzahn's break from tradition in his will.
> >Quite the iconoclast, he was).
>
> Damn, I had totally forgotten that part... If you've read my post on the
> DSF, then you've got to agree that Ghost Scales as Zebulon makes much, much
> sense... Don't forget that somehow free spirits manage to cross the
> low-mana ages (Imago, Denver, that Zebulon dude is old, some reference in
> TT I believe by Dunky about a free spirit being the oldest living person of
> the world). Funny twist on the name, in that case.

Which post was that? Ghost Scale as Zebulon...interesting idea. No one
would expect a dead female great dragon to masquerade as a male free
spirit.

Another free spirit that existed through the downcycle is Ariel Nasir,
from Harlequin. She was apparently present in Europe during the
Renaissance.
Message no. 14
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Achille Autran)
Subject: Year of the Comet Thoughts *****{SPOILERS!}*****
Date: Sat Aug 4 06:50:01 2001
> >From: Hekate Trismegista
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> > Especially with that comment of a certain Quicksilver... Shall we see a
> > Drake Rights Kommission soon?
>
>I hope not. I'd rather that the extant drakes remain covert. You'd only
>know that Ryanthusar is a drake if you've read the Dragon Heart trilogy
>or the various Shadowrun forums, not from reading the actual rulebooks.
>That they exist is definite, who they are is not. :-)

Definitely forgot a smiley here. I agree with you on all points. No DRK.
DRK is bad.

> > Damn, I had totally forgotten that part... If you've read my post on the
> > DSF, then you've got to agree that Ghost Scales as Zebulon makes much, much
> > sense... Don't forget that somehow free spirits manage to cross the
> > low-mana ages (Imago, Denver, that Zebulon dude is old, some reference in
> > TT I believe by Dunky about a free spirit being the oldest living person of
> > the world). Funny twist on the name, in that case.
>
>Which post was that? Ghost Scale as Zebulon...interesting idea. No one
>would expect a dead female great dragon to masquerade as a male free
>spirit.

On page 7: http://forums.dumpshock.com//Forum1/HTML/002804-7.html after
Talondel's rants and before the inane mathematical debate. I correlated the
locations of GhostWalker's attacks with Zeb's parts, stuff like that.

Zebulon's gender is not clear. Parts of it are female, parts are male, and
it's left undefined in the Denver booklet (it's called a "it"). It's also
one bloody hell of a free spirit, with alledgedly a power of 18 and a
spirit energy of 11 before the fragmentation. Suiting stats for a dragon
manifestation.

Molloy
Message no. 15
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Hekate Trismegista)
Subject: Year of the Comet Thoughts *****{SPOILERS!}*****
Date: Sat Aug 4 07:05:05 2001
Achille Autran wrote:
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> > > Especially with that comment of a certain Quicksilver... Shall we see a
> > > Drake Rights Kommission soon?
> >
> >I hope not. I'd rather that the extant drakes remain covert. You'd only
> >know that Ryanthusar is a drake if you've read the Dragon Heart trilogy
> >or the various Shadowrun forums, not from reading the actual rulebooks.
> >That they exist is definite, who they are is not. :-)
>
> Definitely forgot a smiley here. I agree with you on all points. No DRK.
> DRK is bad.

I figured the DRK was facetious, it's just the thought of drakes popping
up left and right. Next thing you know, you'll have Neal the Ork Drake
simsense...

> >Which post was that? Ghost Scale as Zebulon...interesting idea. No one
> >would expect a dead female great dragon to masquerade as a male free
> >spirit.
>
> On page 7: http://forums.dumpshock.com//Forum1/HTML/002804-7.html after
> Talondel's rants and before the inane mathematical debate. I correlated the
> locations of GhostWalker's attacks with Zeb's parts, stuff like that.

You know, I read that. I remember reading that, but somehow it didn't
click as an explanation for Ghost Scales.

> Zebulon's gender is not clear. Parts of it are female, parts are male, and
> it's left undefined in the Denver booklet (it's called a "it"). It's also
> one bloody hell of a free spirit, with alledgedly a power of 18 and a
> spirit energy of 11 before the fragmentation. Suiting stats for a dragon
> manifestation.

Good points, and it makes sense given context.
Message no. 16
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Lars Wagner Hansen)
Subject: Year of the Comet Thoughts *****{SPOILERS!}*****
Date: Sat Aug 4 11:50:05 2001
From: <John@*****.co.uk>
> On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Lars Wagner Hansen wrote:
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> >
> > Drakes have been in SR for a long time.
> >
> > You can find the Firedrake in Critters page 29 and Paranormal Animals of
North
> > America page 64-65. The Icedrake in Critters page 33 and Parano... page
88-89,
> > and lastly the Sea Drak on page 138-139 of Para...
> >
> > But who would like to play one of those
> >
> > :-)

Please notice the smiley above.

> dang. well, I dont have ANY of those books (and since they havent come up
> on ebay.co.uk, and i cant get them at my game store, I'm not likely to be
> able to just yet :-) what are they like?

You should be able to get the Critter book (or pamphlet), it comes free with the
GM Screen for 3rd edition.

The fire- and icedrake are both small (1.25-1.5 meters) lizardlike cratures,
that any decent runne could take down with one hand tied behind his back.

The seadrak is bigger (13.5 meters), but still no threat to a decent runner.

They are not on the level of the ED Drakes.

> besides, dont those sound like the "lesser drakes" from the Earthdawn
> dragons sourcebook......? a good place to start, though..

Don't know. I've got the book, but haven't read it.

Lars
Message no. 17
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Hahns Shin)
Subject: Year of the Comet Thoughts *****{SPOILERS!}*****
Date: Sun Aug 5 14:25:01 2001
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> > > Damn, I had totally forgotten that part... If you've read my
post on the
> > > DSF, then you've got to agree that Ghost Scales as Zebulon makes
much, much
> > > sense... Don't forget that somehow free spirits manage to cross
the
> > > low-mana ages (Imago, Denver, that Zebulon dude is old, some
reference in
> > > TT I believe by Dunky about a free spirit being the oldest
living person of
> > > the world). Funny twist on the name, in that case.
> >
> >Which post was that? Ghost Scale as Zebulon...interesting idea. No
one
> >would expect a dead female great dragon to masquerade as a male
free
> >spirit.
>
> On page 7: http://forums.dumpshock.com//Forum1/HTML/002804-7.html
after
> Talondel's rants and before the inane mathematical debate. I
correlated the
> locations of GhostWalker's attacks with Zeb's parts, stuff like
that.
>
> Zebulon's gender is not clear. Parts of it are female, parts are
male, and
> it's left undefined in the Denver booklet (it's called a "it"). It's
also
> one bloody hell of a free spirit, with alledgedly a power of 18 and
a
> spirit energy of 11 before the fragmentation. Suiting stats for a
dragon
> manifestation.
>
> Molloy
Heh. I just got Year of the Comet, and the ideas presented in this
fine new sourcebook actually take my current high-level campaign
exactly in the direction I wanted to go. I suspected that Ghostwalker
was Icewing immediately, when I saw the fact that he used spirits and
his coloration was ice white (among other little details). Looks like
Dunky's brother is late for the party. Perhaps in his communion with
the spirits, his astral form inadvertently ended up in an alternate
plane, only to arise when the rift appeared. The terrorist attacks at
key, unrelated strikes are exactly his style from reading the Dragons
ED sourcebook, but the idea that the Great Spirit of Denver is really
Ghost Scales intrigues me. Of course, the attacks could be just
Ghostwalker/Icewing's way of saying "Hello, 6th world!".

So has anyone made any other Great Dragon correlations between ED and
SR? Alamais is obvious (and the ED Dragons book mentions Alamais's
brother, who is Lofwyr), but I haven't found anything that strikes me
as a definite connection.

Hahns Shin, MS II
Budding cybersurgeon
"Fairy tales do not tell children the dragons exist. Children already
know that dragons exist. Fairy tales tell children the dragons can be
killed."
-G. K. Chesterton
Message no. 18
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Achille Autran)
Subject: Year of the Comet Thoughts *****{SPOILERS!}*****
Date: Tue Aug 7 07:45:16 2001
>From: "Hahns Shin" <Hahns_Shin@*******.com>
>Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 13:29:58 -0500

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>Heh. I just got Year of the Comet, and the ideas presented in this
>fine new sourcebook actually take my current high-level campaign
>exactly in the direction I wanted to go. I suspected that Ghostwalker
>was Icewing immediately, when I saw the fact that he used spirits and
>his coloration was ice white (among other little details). Looks like
>Dunky's brother is late for the party. Perhaps in his communion with
>the spirits, his astral form inadvertently ended up in an alternate
>plane, only to arise when the rift appeared. The terrorist attacks at
>key, unrelated strikes are exactly his style from reading the Dragons
>ED sourcebook,

Hey, you're right, it even fits with his attack on Thera and the appearance
of the Sphinx before the scourge.

>but the idea that the Great Spirit of Denver is really
>Ghost Scales intrigues me. Of course, the attacks could be just
>Ghostwalker/Icewing's way of saying "Hello, 6th world!".

BTW, I had it wrong about a part of Zebulon, Rojo is supposed to be
captured under his Gervaise Brooks form (good luck!) and brougth to
Ghostwalker, who apprently doesn't cause him harm. That's in the
adventures, p.157. More option B for the nice parts!
Anyway, Zebulon has to be very significant to GW if he works so hard to
reunite it. Zebulon as Icewing's SO is just... So sweet. At least some
romance in Shadowrun! We need Danielle Steele to write for SR!
Erm, anyway, I had also considered that Zeb was sort of GW soul, or part of
his being, that he may need to recover ASAP (his position is "stressful",
dixit Hestaby).

>So has anyone made any other Great Dragon correlations between ED and
>SR? Alamais is obvious (and the ED Dragons book mentions Alamais's
>brother, who is Lofwyr), but I haven't found anything that strikes me
>as a definite connection.

Well, Lung is Lung (he's quoted in the Cathay dragons part). Otherwise,
it's pretty hard, we can only guess on personnalities.
Sirrurg may be Usun, aka Vast Green from the jungles of Liaj, both are
fierce, independant dragons.
Earthroot is a secretive Eastern dragon: maybe Ryumyo? Or Aden?
There's a bunch of great Feathered Serpents (Mujaji, Hualpa) that can't be
related to ED.
Hestaby could be Asante: younger than other 2nd age oldies, approaching
colors, somewhat irrrespectuous of draconic traditions.
The two UK dragons (Celedyr and Rhonabwy) are pretty hard to link to anyone.

Molloy
Message no. 19
From: shadowrn@*********.com (david lowe-rogstad)
Subject: Year of the Comet Thoughts *****{SPOILERS!}*****
Date: Tue Aug 7 12:55:01 2001
At 1:37 PM +0200 8/7/01, Achille Autran wrote:
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>>brother, who is Lofwyr), but I haven't found anything that strikes me
>>as a definite connection.
>

huh? call me late to the party, but where did alamais end up in the
sixth world?

d.
Message no. 20
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Drew Curtis)
Subject: Year of the Comet Thoughts *****{SPOILERS!}*****
Date: Tue Aug 7 18:55:01 2001
On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, david lowe-rogstad wrote:

> At 1:37 PM +0200 8/7/01, Achille Autran wrote:
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> >>SR? Alamais is obvious (and the ED Dragons book mentions Alamais's
> >>brother, who is Lofwyr), but I haven't found anything that strikes me
> >>as a definite connection.
> >
>
> huh? call me late to the party, but where did alamais end up in the
> sixth world?
>
Check Steve Kenson's novel Ragnarok

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Message no. 21
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Lady Jestyr)
Subject: Year of the Comet Thoughts *****{SPOILERS!}*****
Date: Wed Aug 8 03:40:02 2001
At 06:50 PM 7/08/01 -0400, Drew Curtis wrote:

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>> >>brother, who is Lofwyr), but I haven't found anything that strikes me
>> >>as a definite connection.
>> >
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>> huh? call me late to the party, but where did alamais end up in the
>> sixth world?
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>Check Steve Kenson's novel Ragnarok

And, long before that, Tom Dowd's novel "Night's Pawn".

Lady Jestyr
"If you can't be a good example, then you'll just
have to be a horrible warning." - Catherine Aird
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