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Message no. 1
From: Jan-bart van Beek <flake@***.DDS.NL>
Subject: Yet another question
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 16:42:00 +0100
OK Last question of the day. I'll promise

Can ettiquete skills really be made into knowsofts ?

Sure I have seen the stats of the bodyguard archetype in which they are
mentioned but i could find nothing on them in the skillsoft section.
It mentions science skills,mental skills and the lingua and active skillsofts

But in my firm believe you just can't buy social skills (they are even an
apart group of skills on the skill table) on a floppy disk. You can't
just walk into a store and buy a leadership skill or buy a chip that
makes you the most smooth talking, most well-liked chap on the block.
Interhuman relations are probably the most complex science of all. And
indeed maybe that chip will tell ya how a assault cannon works or how
to speak swahilli ,but it sure in hell won't tell you how to pick up girls
in a crowdy bar or how to bribe your local V.I.P.'s. If that would be possible
I think the future wouldn't look like the hellhole Seattle is.

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Message no. 2
From: DEATH <dah102@****.YORK.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Yet another question
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 16:48:18 +0000
Etiquitte is just another of knowledge, concerned with how to act in
different situations.
Today we can obtain books about etiquitte and how to behave, so it is
quite likly that this knowledge can be turned in to a knowsoft.

A knowsoft will tell you how to act and what you should be doing, but
theres a difference between knowing something and doing it.

TTFN
Message no. 3
From: Spellslinger <mruane@***.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Yet another question
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 11:02:27 -0700
On Mon, 31 Oct 1994, Jan-bart van Beek wrote:

> OK Last question of the day. I'll promise
>
> Can ettiquete skills really be made into knowsofts ?
>
Sure. Look ont he bookshelves today and you find tons of books on how to
please women, or how to make your man into a love machine, or how Dr.
Bigus brainus uses pyschology to pick up chicks, etc. If you've ever
tried some of the pick up techniques in these books, they work about 10%
of the time. So you could make tailored etiquette softs at different
ratings (I have a rating 9 etiquette knowsoft so there, Mr. Big pants!)
but their effectiveness at different situations is lacking or that the
other person says, 'Oh, like I haven't heard THAT line before'.
Underworld relations are definitely shaky with a skillsoft. I'm sure the
little package of info doesn't contain everything you need to know about
how to treat life in the shadows. Plus that everything in the shadows
changes with the situation on the street or in the corps, etc-- so that
rating 6 knowsoft in Street Etiquette is useless in about a week or a
month, depending on how the world changes.

I like to view these knowsofts as a general guideline for shadowtalk. If
a specific situation comes up, more than likely the runner will have to
wing it. Plus a lot of etiqutte (epsc. Street) is region specific. And
that means that Street etiquette in Redmond is different than that in
Bellvue. It's understandable that a learned etiqutte would adapt to the
streets, but a knowsoft wouldn't.

Mike aka Spellslinger
Message no. 4
From: It's Easy Peasy with Cheesy Peas
Subject: Yet another question
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 15:51:00 GMT
>Can ettiquete skills really be made into knowsofts ?

I would say NO, because skillsofts simply dont have the sophistication required
to deal with complex and varied, situations.


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Message no. 5
From: lobo1@****.com (John E Pederson)
Subject: Yet another question...
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 20:10:03 PST
Is there one Increase Attributes +4 spell which can affect any attribute
(except Initiative and Reaction) the caster wishes upon casting, or does
each Attribute require a separate spell (not just a separate casting, but
a completely different, separate spell) in order for it to be affected?
IOW, Are there Increase Strength, Increase Quickness, etc. spells or
just Increase Attribute?

Hope someone can answer this one because I didn't find the wording too
clear in the core manual.

Again, TIA


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Message no. 6
From: bluewizard@*****.com (Steven A. Tinner)
Subject: Re: Yet another question...
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 22:48:25 -0500 (EST)
>Is there one Increase Attributes +4 spell which can affect any attribute
>(except Initiative and Reaction) the caster wishes upon casting, or does
>each Attribute require a separate spell (not just a separate casting, but
>a completely different, separate spell) in order for it to be affected?
>IOW, Are there Increase Strength, Increase Quickness, etc. spells or
>just Increase Attribute?
>
>Hope someone can answer this one because I didn't find the wording too
>clear in the core manual.

AFAIK each attribute requires a seperate spell.


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Message no. 7
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: Yet another question...
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 23:26:11 -0500 (EST)
>Is there one Increase Attributes +4 spell which can affect any attribute
>(except Initiative and Reaction) the caster wishes upon casting, or does
>each Attribute require a separate spell (not just a separate casting, but
>a completely different, separate spell) in order for it to be affected?
>IOW, Are there Increase Strength, Increase Quickness, etc. spells or
>just Increase Attribute?
>
>Hope someone can answer this one because I didn't find the wording too
>clear in the core manual.
>
>
Well, we've always played taht it's a specific attribute for each spell,
BUT, I don't see why a mage/shaman couldn't create a new spell like this...
However, the drain would be hideous...

Just my thought...



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Message no. 8
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Yet another question...
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 12:42:53 +0100
John E Pederson said on 20:10/13 Sep 96...

> Is there one Increase Attributes +4 spell which can affect any attribute
> (except Initiative and Reaction) the caster wishes upon casting, or does
> each Attribute require a separate spell (not just a separate casting, but
> a completely different, separate spell) in order for it to be affected?
> IOW, Are there Increase Strength, Increase Quickness, etc. spells or
> just Increase Attribute?

There are separate spells for each of these. Your character may know
Increase Strength +2, Increase Reaction +1, and Increase Charisma +4, for
example. It's a bit vague, but you can deduce this from the sentence
"Each Attribute has four specific spells, and so there might be a
magician who knows Increase Strength +1, Increase Quickness +2, an so
on."

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Message no. 9
From: lobo1@****.com (John E Pederson)
Subject: Re: Yet another question...
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 21:02:48 PST
On Fri, 13 Sep 1996 23:26:11 -0500 (EST) chaos@*****.com (Steven
Ratkovich) writes:
>>Is there one Increase Attributes +4 spell which can affect any
>attribute
>>(except Initiative and Reaction) the caster wishes upon casting, or
>does
>>each Attribute require a separate spell (not just a separate casting,
>but
>>a completely different, separate spell) in order for it to be
>affected?
>>IOW, Are there Increase Strength, Increase Quickness, etc. spells or
>>just Increase Attribute?
>>
>>Hope someone can answer this one because I didn't find the wording
>too
>>clear in the core manual.
>>
>>
>Well, we've always played taht it's a specific attribute for each
>spell,
>BUT, I don't see why a mage/shaman couldn't create a new spell like
>this...
>However, the drain would be hideous...
>
>Just my thought...
>
AHA! Evil NPC idea sprouting! >:)

John Pederson, lobo1@****.com
Message no. 10
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: Yet another question...
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 01:27:25 -0500 (EST)
>>Well, we've always played taht it's a specific attribute for each
>>spell,
>>BUT, I don't see why a mage/shaman couldn't create a new spell like
>>this...
>>However, the drain would be hideous...
>>
>>Just my thought...
>>
>AHA! Evil NPC idea sprouting! >:)
>
>John Pederson, lobo1@****.com
>
<grin>



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