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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Max Noel)
Subject: (yet another) Rigger 3 question!
Date: Tue Jul 9 12:50:01 2002
Hello people, once again I have some rigger-related questions.
Yeah, it's still the same character I was already creating 2 months ago.
Haven't had the opportunity to play him yet (the GM hadn't planned that my
previous one would die, and since his 'next' scenario was tailor-made for
her we decided to play it as a flashback) so I've had lots more time to
re-create him 3 or 4 times. Right now I'm designing (well, customizing) him
a Van Of Doom (TM), and...


1) "CF == 0" actually means that aside from the three people on the seats,
nobody or nothing else will fit in anywhere in the vehicle, right?

2) Solution: drop the small pop-up AA remote turret w/ LMG. Wouldn't be
that useful anyway. I wanted to put a micro-turret (well, two) instead but
micro-turrets have a weapon value of 1 and the pop-up modification
decreases the turret's weapon value by 1. Result: a pop-up micro turret has
a weapon value of zero. Does this mean that micro-turrets aren't
pop-up-able? (R3 states that large and XL turrets can't be pop-up but says
nothing about micro ones).

3) A rifle (and thus an assault rifle) would have a weapon value of 1. Does
it apply for the Ares Alpha and AK-98 as well? (both have underbarrel
grenade launchers)

4) I remember reading somewhere that drone pilots are incompatible with
autonav systems, but I can't find the reference. Can someone give me a page
number, please? By the way, I assume that a drone pilot (rating 2 at that)
can handle the work of an autonav 4 quite easily (i.e. use maps and all the
available info to get the van from point A to point B within the given
parameters). Am I right?

5) Is it possible to hijack (using MIJI) a vehicle that has a drone pilot
and RC systems but that is being driven by a rigger that's physically
jacked in it? I guess no but I want to be sure so my GM won't pull that
trick on me.

Thanks in advance,
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Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: (yet another) Rigger 3 question!
Date: Tue Jul 9 13:15:04 2002
According to Max Noel, on Tue, 09 Jul 2002 the word on the street was...

> 1) "CF == 0" actually means that aside from the three people on
the
> seats, nobody or nothing else will fit in anywhere in the vehicle, right?

Yes. Although you could put cargo on the seats, but this is up to GM's
discretion (I'd say a good rule of thumb would be to let each seat hold up
to 4 CF).

It used to be, BTW, that a vehicle with 0 CF left still had cargo space
equal to (IIRC) Body / 2 CF, which represented head- and legroom. This was
in Rigger Black Book days, though.

> 2) Solution: drop the small pop-up AA remote turret w/ LMG. Wouldn't be
> that useful anyway. I wanted to put a micro-turret (well, two) instead
> but micro-turrets have a weapon value of 1 and the pop-up modification
> decreases the turret's weapon value by 1. Result: a pop-up micro turret
> has a weapon value of zero. Does this mean that micro-turrets aren't
> pop-up-able? (R3 states that large and XL turrets can't be pop-up but
> says nothing about micro ones).

Probably an oversight, but like you say, if you follow the rules then a
pop-up micro turret can't hold anything at all. Unless it's mentioned in
the errata, I'd assume that you can't put anything in a micro pop-up turret.

> 3) A rifle (and thus an assault rifle) would have a weapon value of 1.
> Does it apply for the Ares Alpha and AK-98 as well? (both have
> underbarrel grenade launchers)

For some reason, grenade launchers have been left out of the table in
Rigger 3, so I suppose that a rifle with grenade launcher also has a weapon
value of 1.

> 4) I remember reading somewhere that drone pilots are incompatible with
> autonav systems, but I can't find the reference. Can someone give me a
> page number, please?

I seem to remember a similar rule, but I also can't find it :(

> By the way, I assume that a drone pilot (rating 2 at
> that) can handle the work of an autonav 4 quite easily (i.e. use maps and
> all the available info to get the van from point A to point B within the
> given parameters). Am I right?

Given that drone pilots can be given one-sentence commands, whereas an
autonav just drives the car to the selected destination, I'd say you are.

> 5) Is it possible to hijack (using MIJI) a vehicle that has a drone pilot
> and RC systems but that is being driven by a rigger that's physically
> jacked in it? I guess no but I want to be sure so my GM won't pull that
> trick on me.

Since the rigger is in direct control, I'd say this isn't possible.
Although it would be interesting to allow it...

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Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Damion Milliken)
Subject: (yet another) Rigger 3 question!
Date: Tue Jul 9 20:25:00 2002
Gurth writes:

> > 1) "CF == 0" actually means that aside from the three people on the
> > seats, nobody or nothing else will fit in anywhere in the vehicle, right?
>
> Yes. Although you could put cargo on the seats, but this is up to GM's
> discretion (I'd say a good rule of thumb would be to let each seat hold up
> to 4 CF).

Putting in or removing a seat takes 6 CF (8 for a reinforced seat), so 4
sounds like a reasonable number.

> It used to be, BTW, that a vehicle with 0 CF left still had cargo space
> equal to (IIRC) Body / 2 CF, which represented head- and legroom. This was
> in Rigger Black Book days, though.

There is a rule on p 124 of R3, under the heading "Weight and Space
Restrictions" that allows use of 'head and leg room' at the rate of 1.5 CF
per seat. This has negative impacts on passenger comfort and crash safety,
but hey, who cares, right?

> > 2) Solution: drop the small pop-up AA remote turret w/ LMG. Wouldn't be
> > that useful anyway. I wanted to put a micro-turret (well, two) instead
> > but micro-turrets have a weapon value of 1 and the pop-up modification
> > decreases the turret's weapon value by 1. Result: a pop-up micro turret
> > has a weapon value of zero. Does this mean that micro-turrets aren't
> > pop-up-able? (R3 states that large and XL turrets can't be pop-up but
> > says nothing about micro ones).
>
> Probably an oversight, but like you say, if you follow the rules then a
> pop-up micro turret can't hold anything at all. Unless it's mentioned in
> the errata, I'd assume that you can't put anything in a micro pop-up turret.

The rules for Remote Turrets specifically say "Pop-up micro-turrets have a
Weapon Value of 1 and take up 1 CF".

> > 3) A rifle (and thus an assault rifle) would have a weapon value of 1.
> > Does it apply for the Ares Alpha and AK-98 as well? (both have
> > underbarrel grenade launchers)
>
> For some reason, grenade launchers have been left out of the table in
> Rigger 3, so I suppose that a rifle with grenade launcher also has a weapon
> value of 1.

The R3 errata gives a Grenade Launcher a Weapon Value of 1. It makes no
mention of what to do with weapons such as the Ares Alpha that have a
grenade launcher underneath a rifle, though. I personally rule that such a
weapon counts as both a rifle and grenade launcher, and thus has a Weapon
Value of 2.

> > 4) I remember reading somewhere that drone pilots are incompatible with
> > autonav systems, but I can't find the reference. Can someone give me a
> > page number, please?
>
> I seem to remember a similar rule, but I also can't find it :(

I recall a rule such as this from R2, but not from R3. I see no reason that
a vehicle could not have both systems. The Autonav system adds it's dice to
the dice rolled for a Driving Test, in the case of a drone, the Pilot Rating.

> > By the way, I assume that a drone pilot (rating 2 at that) can handle
> > the work of an autonav 4 quite easily (i.e. use maps and all the
> > available info to get the van from point A to point B within the given
> > parameters). Am I right?
>
> Given that drone pilots can be given one-sentence commands, whereas an
> autonav just drives the car to the selected destination, I'd say you are.

I'd actually say no. A Level 2 drone pilot can _interpret_ commands, not
neccesarily carry them out. It may well need the autonav in order to
actually be able to navigate to the degree required to carry out the
commands.

> > 5) Is it possible to hijack (using MIJI) a vehicle that has a drone pilot
> > and RC systems but that is being driven by a rigger that's physically
> > jacked in it? I guess no but I want to be sure so my GM won't pull that
> > trick on me.
>
> Since the rigger is in direct control, I'd say this isn't possible.
> Although it would be interesting to allow it...

Although the rules do not specifically mention this situation, I'd say that
it was not possible. For comparison, it is not possible for a drone to be on
two subscriber lists simultaneously (ie, under the control of two riggers at
the same time). Only one can control a drone at any given time.
Additionally, if a drone is removed from a subscriber list and deactivated,
then it would not be possible to hijack it using MIJI. It would make sense
to switch off remote control facilities if you were directly plugged into a
vehicle...

OTOH, if the rigger left the RC facilities turned on, and jacked into the
vehicle, then it might be possible to hijack the vehicle...

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Unofficial Shadowrun Guru E-mail: dam01@***.edu.au
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Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Lone Eagle)
Subject: (yet another) Rigger 3 question!
Date: Wed Jul 10 05:00:01 2002
>From: Max Noel <maxnoel_fr@*****.fr>
>1) "CF == 0" actually means that aside from the three people on the seats,
>nobody or nothing else will fit in anywhere in the vehicle, right?

Plus any load space, even if it has to be a roofrack...

>2) Solution: drop the small pop-up AA remote turret w/ LMG. Wouldn't be
>that useful anyway. I wanted to put a micro-turret (well, two) instead but
>micro-turrets have a weapon value of 1 and the pop-up modification
>decreases the turret's weapon value by 1. Result: a pop-up micro turret has
>a weapon value of zero. Does this mean that micro-turrets aren't
>pop-up-able? (R3 states that large and XL turrets can't be pop-up but says
>nothing about micro ones).

If 1 - 1 = >0 then fair enough but...
Bear in mind that micro turrets are effectively a drone design thing,
they're too small to carry anything useful other than directional sensor
arrays on a larger vehicle. There isn't space on a drone to pop-up and
there's no need for your directional sensor array to pop-up (unless you're a
spy in which case you probably have the backing to fit a small turret.)

>3) A rifle (and thus an assault rifle) would have a weapon value of 1. Does
>it apply for the Ares Alpha and AK-98 as well? (both have underbarrel
>grenade launchers)

IMO yes.

>4) I remember reading somewhere that drone pilots are incompatible with
>autonav systems, but I can't find the reference. Can someone give me a page
>number, please? By the way, I assume that a drone pilot (rating 2 at that)
>can handle the work of an autonav 4 quite easily (i.e. use maps and all the
>available info to get the van from point A to point B within the given
>parameters). Am I right?

All depends on how well you instruct it...

>5) Is it possible to hijack (using MIJI) a vehicle that has a drone pilot
>and RC systems but that is being driven by a rigger that's physically
>jacked in it?

Not a chance. The Rigger is in complete control and there are no
transmissions to interfere with.

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Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Michael Bobroff)
Subject: (yet another) Rigger 3 question!
Date: Wed Jul 10 09:45:02 2002
> >2) Solution: drop the small pop-up AA remote turret w/ LMG. Wouldn't be
> >that useful anyway. I wanted to put a micro-turret (well, two) instead
but
> >micro-turrets have a weapon value of 1 and the pop-up modification
> >decreases the turret's weapon value by 1. Result: a pop-up micro turret
has
> >a weapon value of zero. Does this mean that micro-turrets aren't
> >pop-up-able? (R3 states that large and XL turrets can't be pop-up but
says
> >nothing about micro ones).

Incorrect, Micro-Turrets can have the Pop-up option (R3, under Remote
Turrets, pp 141, second paragraph, second sentence).

> >5) Is it possible to hijack (using MIJI) a vehicle that has a drone pilot
> >and RC systems but that is being driven by a rigger that's physically
> >jacked in it?
>
> Not a chance. The Rigger is in complete control and there are no
> transmissions to interfere with.

Hmmm, not unless the MIJI-ing rigger defeated the rigger in Rigger Combat.
Now that would be hilarious.

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