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Message no. 1
From: Joel Nesbitt <joel.nesbitt@******.oxford.ac.uk>
Subject: (Yet more) Magical questions
Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 17:52:42 +0100 (BST)
Just a few questions, on which I would be most grateful for any comments:

I think I'm right on this already, but sustaining a spell does not require
LOS to be sustained as well, does it?

Does the +2 target modifier for sustaining a spell apply to the Drain
test for that spell?

Is it possible for someone to do Ritual Sorcery on his/her own?

Detect Spells, eg. Detect Life, do they simply give a result of "yes
there is life in the target area" or is positional information available
as well - I'd assumed that the GM should perhaps say something along the
lines of "Yes, there's two lifeforms about 10 metres to your right and
one about 5 meters below you" or perhaps draw the player a little circle
with dots for any 'blips' that show up. The same rules apply to Detect
Life, Guns, Enemies, Trolls, whatever, correct?

Can you use an expendable fetish for one which requires a reusable one?

And whilst I'm asking, does anyone know of ay supplements that might
allow a sorcerer to somehow learn astral perception (LOTS of initiation,
perhaps?), 'official' FASA or otherwise. I fully deny all allegations of
munchkinism ;-)

I have looked, but if the answers to these are in the rulebooks
somewhere, then please do point them out. Thanks.

Oh, and I apologise if any of these points is one of the no-go areas in
the FAQ, though I can't see there being any big controversy, to be
honest.

Thanks again,

Joel
Message no. 2
From: "Sascha Pabst" <Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
Subject: Re: (Yet more) Magical questions
Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 20:18:56 +0200
At 18:52 Uhr 11.05.96, Joel Nesbitt wrote:
>I think I'm right on this already, but sustaining a spell does not require
>LOS to be sustained as well, does it?
IMHO no, although I have no idea where to hint you in the books :-(

>Does the +2 target modifier for sustaining a spell apply to the Drain
>test for that spell?
As far as I know Damage Resistance Tests are not modified by anything,
and Testing for Drain IS a DRT, isn't it?

>Is it possible for someone to do Ritual Sorcery on his/her own?
Sure... but you will have problems because you have only a few Pool
Dice...

>Detect Spells, eg. Detect Life, do they simply give a result of "yes
>there is life in the target area" or is positional information available
>as well - I'd assumed that the GM should perhaps say something along the
>lines of "Yes, there's two lifeforms about 10 metres to your right and
>one about 5 meters below you" or perhaps draw the player a little circle
>with dots for any 'blips' that show up. The same rules apply to Detect
>Life, Guns, Enemies, Trolls, whatever, correct?
The description says "detect", and "know of presence". So I'd rule
the one who was the recipient of the spell would know where the <target
of spell> is, and if the character can see (has LOS) the detected object,
he notices it.

>Can you use an expendable fetish for one which requires a reusable one?
Nope. Plan ahead - have a second reusable fetish in case yours gets
broken. A reusable f. is NOT an expendable one.

>And whilst I'm asking, does anyone know of ay supplements that might
>allow a sorcerer to somehow learn astral perception (LOTS of initiation,
>perhaps?), 'official' FASA or otherwise. I fully deny all allegations of
>munchkinism ;-)
Nope, I do not know. When someone choose a sorc. as character, he'll have
to live with the limits. Punkt.

Sascha

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Message no. 3
From: TopCat <topcat@******.net>
Subject: Re: (Yet more) Magical questions
Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 15:39:20 -0500
>I think I'm right on this already, but sustaining a spell does not require
>LOS to be sustained as well, does it?

Yes, it does require LOS. If that is broken, then the spell would be as well.

>Does the +2 target modifier for sustaining a spell apply to the Drain
>test for that spell?

No target number modifiers apply to drain resistance tests.

>Is it possible for someone to do Ritual Sorcery on his/her own?

Yes.

>[snipped "what do detection spells tell the caster"]

See the detection spells section of the SRII rulebook.

>Can you use an expendable fetish for one which requires a reusable one?

Interesting question. The way we've always played it is that spells taht a
fetish exclusive can use either expendable or reusable fetishes and get the
bonuses as according to the fetish type. Some people play that you must
declare the type of fetish needed for the spell when you choose the spell.
AFAIK there is no official ruling either way.

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Message no. 4
From: Peter David Boddy <pdboddy@****.carleton.ca>
Subject: Re: (Yet more) Magical questions
Date: Sat, 11 May 96 18:12:16 EDT
Sascha Pabst writes:
>
> At 18:52 Uhr 11.05.96, Joel Nesbitt wrote:
> >I think I'm right on this already, but sustaining a spell does not require
> >LOS to be sustained as well, does it?
> IMHO no, although I have no idea where to hint you in the books :-(

I think you can. You don't need LOS for sustaining a spell. All combat
spells are instant, and any area effect spells (stink, etc.) can't be
moved (hence you could stink a hallway, and sustain it while you get
away). You can levitate someone down an elevator shaft, but if you drop
the spell you can't levitate him back up unless you can see him.

Pete

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Message no. 5
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: (Yet more) Magical questions
Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 11:45:36 +0100
Joel Nesbitt said on 17:52/11 May 96...

> I think I'm right on this already, but sustaining a spell does not require
> LOS to be sustained as well, does it?

Right. Once the spell is cast, the target or the caster can move out of
the LOS at will.

> Does the +2 target modifier for sustaining a spell apply to the Drain
> test for that spell?

Yes. See page 129, SRII.

> Is it possible for someone to do Ritual Sorcery on his/her own?

Sure. You're automatically the leader of the group :)

> Detect Spells, eg. Detect Life, do they simply give a result of "yes
> there is life in the target area" or is positional information available
> as well - I'd assumed that the GM should perhaps say something along the
> lines of "Yes, there's two lifeforms about 10 metres to your right and
> one about 5 meters below you" or perhaps draw the player a little circle
> with dots for any 'blips' that show up. The same rules apply to Detect
> Life, Guns, Enemies, Trolls, whatever, correct?

I tend to play Detect Life spells in the second way you describe -- that
is, I tell the player that there is one life form 5 meters ahead; one 2
meters above; two more are close together 3 meters to the right and 1
meter up; and so on. The spell doesn't give any details about what it is,
not even size -- so if I feel like a bastard at the time it picks up all
kinds of rats as well (generally nothing smaller, because if you take it
too far, the player'd just get one huge blur from all the bacteria
floating in the air and all that).

If you play Detect Life like this, Detect Pizza would work the same way.

> Can you use an expendable fetish for one which requires a reusable one?

No. You must designate the fetish while learning the spell. For example,
you learn a Detect Life spell with expendable fetish, and say "My fetish
is a D6." That means you have to hold a D6 (that has been enchanted as a
fetish, per the Grimoire) and it disappears when upon casting. Grab a D6
that has been enchanted as a reusable fetish, and the spell won't work.

> And whilst I'm asking, does anyone know of ay supplements that might
> allow a sorcerer to somehow learn astral perception (LOTS of initiation,
> perhaps?), 'official' FASA or otherwise. I fully deny all allegations of
> munchkinism ;-)

There's no official FASA rule, but I'd suggest you take a look at the
gradual initiation rules in NERPS: ShadowLore. This expands the
metamagical abilities of adepts, allowing them to learn astral perception
etc. eventually.

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Message no. 6
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: (Yet more) Magical questions
Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 11:45:37 +0100
Sascha Pabst said on 20:18/11 May 96...

> >I think I'm right on this already, but sustaining a spell does not require
> >LOS to be sustained as well, does it?
> IMHO no, although I have no idea where to hint you in the books :-(

I can't point you to the reference because I can't remember where I read
it, but you *can* sustain a spell without LOS. All you need is LOS to the
target while you're casting.

I first noticed this when I read the novel Changeling, where a mage casts
Invisibility on another person, who then goes into a building while the
mage stays behind in the car.

> >Does the +2 target modifier for sustaining a spell apply to the Drain
> >test for that spell?
> As far as I know Damage Resistance Tests are not modified by anything,
> and Testing for Drain IS a DRT, isn't it?

It specifically states that the DRT TN is modifier for spell stacking, in
the SRII main rule book.

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Message no. 7
From: Bert Van de Merckt <Bert.VandeMerckt@****.be>
Subject: Re: (Yet more) Magical questions
Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 14:22:14 +0200
TopCat wrote:
> >Can you use an expendable fetish for one which requires a reusable one?
> Interesting question. The way we've always played it is that spells taht a
> fetish exclusive can use either expendable or reusable fetishes and get the
> bonuses as according to the fetish type. Some people play that you must
> declare the type of fetish needed for the spell when you choose the spell.
> AFAIK there is no official ruling either way.

-ahum- SR2 rulebook, p.133, right column:
"It is possible to learn a spell requiring either an expendable of a reusable
fetish, but not both."
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Message no. 8
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: (Yet more) Magical questions
Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 16:37:59 +0100 (BST)
|
|Just a few questions, on which I would be most grateful for any comments:
|
|I think I'm right on this already, but sustaining a spell does not require
|LOS to be sustained as well, does it?

Nope.

|Does the +2 target modifier for sustaining a spell apply to the Drain
|test for that spell?

No. Only subsequent ones.

|Is it possible for someone to do Ritual Sorcery on his/her own?

Yes. It takes the same length of time, you get reduced effect, but you do
get some bonuses. (Including the ability to withold dice so the spell will
sustain itself for a while....)

|Detect Spells, eg. Detect Life, do they simply give a result of "yes
|there is life in the target area" or is positional information available
|as well - I'd assumed that the GM should perhaps say something along the
|lines of "Yes, there's two lifeforms about 10 metres to your right and
|one about 5 meters below you" or perhaps draw the player a little circle
|with dots for any 'blips' that show up. The same rules apply to Detect
|Life, Guns, Enemies, Trolls, whatever, correct?

I would say that the more successes you get on the spell, the more info you
gain.
1 Success. Yes, the is an (Enter whatever here) within range.
2 Successes. Yes, and he's ....>There.
3 Successes. Yes, he's there and walking in this direction.
4 Successes. Oh, and he's wearing spotted pink underwear. :)

|Can you use an expendable fetish for one which requires a reusable one?

I'm not too sure. I don't think so.....

|And whilst I'm asking, does anyone know of ay supplements that might
|allow a sorcerer to somehow learn astral perception (LOTS of initiation,
|perhaps?), 'official' FASA or otherwise. I fully deny all allegations of
|munchkinism ;-)

Unfortunately, one of the FASA rules states that sorceror and conjuror
adepts CANNOT initiate *because* they can't assence.
Physical Adepts can because the power is available for them, even if they
don't have it yet.
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Message no. 9
From: "Dr. Bolthy von Schotz" <bolthy@**.com>
Subject: Re: (Yet more) Magical questions
Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 10:54:58 -0500 (CDT)
On Sun, 12 May 1996, A Halliwell wrote:

> |
> |Just a few questions, on which I would be most grateful for any comments:
> |
> |I think I'm right on this already, but sustaining a spell does not require
> |LOS to be sustained as well, does it?
>
> Nope.
>
> |Does the +2 target modifier for sustaining a spell apply to the Drain
> |test for that spell?
>
> No. Only subsequent ones.
>
> |Is it possible for someone to do Ritual Sorcery on his/her own?
>
> Yes. It takes the same length of time, you get reduced effect, but you do
> get some bonuses. (Including the ability to withold dice so the spell will
> sustain itself for a while....)
>
> |Detect Spells, eg. Detect Life, do they simply give a result of "yes
> |there is life in the target area" or is positional information available
> |as well - I'd assumed that the GM should perhaps say something along the
> |lines of "Yes, there's two lifeforms about 10 metres to your right and
> |one about 5 meters below you" or perhaps draw the player a little circle
> |with dots for any 'blips' that show up. The same rules apply to Detect
> |Life, Guns, Enemies, Trolls, whatever, correct?
>
> I would say that the more successes you get on the spell, the more info you
> gain.
> 1 Success. Yes, the is an (Enter whatever here) within range.
> 2 Successes. Yes, and he's ....>There.
> 3 Successes. Yes, he's there and walking in this direction.
> 4 Successes. Oh, and he's wearing spotted pink underwear. :)
>
> |Can you use an expendable fetish for one which requires a reusable one?
>
> I'm not too sure. I don't think so.....
>
> |And whilst I'm asking, does anyone know of ay supplements that might
> |allow a sorcerer to somehow learn astral perception (LOTS of initiation,
> |perhaps?), 'official' FASA or otherwise. I fully deny all allegations of
> |munchkinism ;-)
>
> Unfortunately, one of the FASA rules states that sorceror and conjuror
> adepts CANNOT initiate *because* they can't assence.
> Physical Adepts can because the power is available for them, even if they
> don't have it yet.
> --


WHAT?! I thought they could, but were just limited in what they can
use... I know that elemental adepts can initiate... are those the only
ones who can't?

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Message no. 10
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: (Yet more) Magical questions
Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 17:27:46 +0100 (BST)
|> Unfortunately, one of the FASA rules states that sorceror and conjuror
|> adepts CANNOT initiate *because* they can't assence.
|> Physical Adepts can because the power is available for them, even if they
|> don't have it yet.
|> --
|
|
|WHAT?! I thought they could, but were just limited in what they can
|use... I know that elemental adepts can initiate... are those the only
|ones who can't?

Elemental and shamanic adepts get access to the astral plane.
Conjuror and sorceror adepts don't.
I'm not sure of the page numbers, butn I'm pretty sure it's in the
grimthingy II.....
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Message no. 11
From: Hairy Smurf <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Re: (Yet more) Magical questions
Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 13:09:35 -0400 (EDT)
At 17:27 5/12/96 +0100, you wrote:
>|> Unfortunately, one of the FASA rules states that sorceror and conjuror
>|> adepts CANNOT initiate *because* they can't assence.
>|> Physical Adepts can because the power is available for them, even if they
>|> don't have it yet.
>|> --
>|
>|
>|WHAT?! I thought they could, but were just limited in what they can
>|use... I know that elemental adepts can initiate... are those the only
>|ones who can't?
>
>Elemental and shamanic adepts get access to the astral plane.
>Conjuror and sorceror adepts don't.
>I'm not sure of the page numbers, butn I'm pretty sure it's in the
>grimthingy II.....
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Couldn't find anything in grimiore II, but in the first one it states a
sorcerer or conjurer cannot use moust forms of metamagic. Specifically those
requiring any astral proj. or perc. (p.15). Sounds to me like they can
initiate. If not its a house rule of mine.

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Message no. 12
From: "Mark Steedman" <M.J.Steedman@***.rgu.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: (Yet more) Magical questions
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 13:40:58 GMT
Joel Nesbitt writes

> Just a few questions, on which I would be most grateful for any comments:
>
> I think I'm right on this already, but sustaining a spell does not require
> LOS to be sustained as well, does it?
>
As some folks said no, only to cast though the SR2 books are not very
explicit about this.

> Does the +2 target modifier for sustaining a spell apply to the Drain
> test for that spell?
>
It would seem some folks say yes. Well i say no. I treat it as a
damage resistance test and do not apply target number penalties
[two exceptions, multicast that specifically states it applies to
drain target nos and 'Very high' background count -see the rules for
that (not in Grimoire, if that does not help you should not know :) )]

If you apply penalties to drain for sustaining spells you should
apply wound penalties as well, and both of these to all other damage
resistance target numbers. The result will likely be mor realistic
(injured folks jump out of the way more slowly) but it leads to
exponential rates of taking damage and two types of characters
1) alive and unhurt, because he/she still has karma pool
2) dead, thats a very fast slippery slide once the karma runs out and
you start taking damage.

> Is it possible for someone to do Ritual Sorcery on his/her own?
>
Yes but its very difficult as you have to split your dice up so much.

> Detect Spells, eg. Detect Life, do they simply give a result of "yes
> there is life in the target area" or is positional information available
> as well - I'd assumed that the GM should perhaps say something along the
> lines of "Yes, there's two lifeforms about 10 metres to your right and
> one about 5 meters below you" or perhaps draw the player a little circle
> with dots for any 'blips' that show up. The same rules apply to Detect
> Life, Guns, Enemies, Trolls, whatever, correct?
>
GM discretion but some idea of target location would seems fair.

> Can you use an expendable fetish for one which requires a reusable one?
>
No see the rules.

> And whilst I'm asking, does anyone know of ay supplements that might
> allow a sorcerer to somehow learn astral perception (LOTS of initiation,
> perhaps?), 'official' FASA or otherwise. I fully deny all allegations of
> munchkinism ;-)
>
Nothing offical, although the 'physical magician' from awakenings can
simulate somthing pretty close to this (buts its magic A). I have
home written rules for in game expression of magic/metahumanity but
no time to post them now (as have other folks - varying degrees of
detail i suspect its happened enough times i've heard of).

>
> Joel
>
Mark
Message no. 13
From: "Mark Steedman" <M.J.Steedman@***.rgu.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: (Yet more) Magical questions
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 11:28:45 GMT
HALOWEEN JACK writes

why you sent this only to me, or added this a reply to the message
you did escapes me but. [screams at mail programme acepted]

> I have been thinking about the encephalon, it says in the text at the
> bottom of the page that encephalons are capable of multi-tasking. How
> many operations is it capable of multi-tasking. I think that it would
> be capable of multitsking a number of operations equal to 1+level of
> the encephalon.
>
I don't think FASA specify, but that seams reasonable.

> Now back to the main aim of my question, Sorry If this brings up
> another vastly repeated thread, If the encephalon can multi-task can
> it be used to sustain spell without haveing to concentrate on them
> thus not gaining the TN modifiers.
>
? very nice idea but the though of tech controlling magic is not
really in line with SR, even the paraoptical cyberdeck uses light as
a interface between the two i suspect. Also vulnerable to munchkins
and rules lawers.


Mark
Message no. 14
From: Jonas Gabrielson <m94jga@*******.tdb.uu.se>
Subject: Re: (Yet more) Magical questions
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 14:16:23 +0200 (MET DST)
On Wed, 15 May 1996, Mark Steedman wrote:

> ? very nice idea but the though of tech controlling magic is not
> really in line with SR, even the paraoptical cyberdeck uses light as
> a interface between the two i suspect. Also vulnerable to munchkins
> and rules lawers.

Question: Paraoptical Cyberdeck?
Qu'est-ce que c'est?

-Jonas Gabrielson, inquisitive
Message no. 15
From: "Mark Steedman" <M.J.Steedman@***.rgu.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: (Yet more) Magical questions
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 13:34:59 GMT
Jonas Gabrielson writes
>
> On Wed, 15 May 1996, Mark Steedman wrote:
>
> > ? very nice idea but the though of tech controlling magic is not
> > really in line with SR, even the paraoptical cyberdeck uses light as
> > a interface between the two i suspect. Also vulnerable to munchkins
> > and rules lawers.
>
> Question: Paraoptical Cyberdeck?
> Qu'est-ce que c'est?
>
????, :), i do understand actually.
The paraoptical cyberdeck is out of 'Black Madona'. - gap comming up
























It's Leo's 'toy' that he uses in the novel. Well he refered to the
thing as a toy when folks started to realise it migth actually be
worth the 'measly' 20billion! (yes 2+10! zeros) he was asking for it,
after all wouldn't you like to be able to loot the central data cores
of all 8 AAA corps similtaneously ?


> -Jonas Gabrielson, inquisitive
>
Careful you might get the same response Leo attracted, and are you any
good at stopping incomming Nukes?

Mark
Message no. 16
From: HALOWEEN JACK <sbc3kcb@*******.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: (Yet more) Magical questions
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 09:47:20 GMT
> Question: Paraoptical Cyberdeck?
> Qu'est-ce que c'est?
>
> -Jonas Gabrielson, inquisitive
>
it works of the principal of the optical scanning data jack, I think
it was the big deck in black madonna.

Love is the fine line between pleasure and pain

Except when you're into S&M when it's just pain! pain! pain!

Haloween Jack

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