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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject: YOTC (Ghostwalker)
Date: Sun May 12 20:40:01 2002
Guys, I think I missed most of the YOTC speculation
and, now that I'm back, can anyone tell me what the
"official" list position is on who Ghostwalker is? If
there WAS a consensus on that, of course. :)

====Doc'
(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow, aka Doc'booner, aka Doc' Vader)

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Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Valeu John EMFA)
Subject: YOTC (Ghostwalker)
Date: Sun May 12 20:55:01 2002
>Guys, I think I missed most of the YOTC speculation
>and, now that I'm back, can anyone tell me what the
>"official" list position is on who Ghostwalker is? If
>there WAS a consensus on that, of course. :)

The "offical consensus" is that Ghostwalker is Icewing, Dunk's brother.
Of course I could be confusing two threads about two great dragons
returning,
but I think this is correct.

EMFN John Valeu
-AKA- TimeKeeper
Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (The Cat)
Subject: YOTC (Ghostwalker)
Date: Sun May 12 22:10:01 2002
>The "offical consensus" is that Ghostwalker is Icewing, Dunk's brother.
>Of course I could be confusing two threads about two great dragons
>returning,
>but I think this is correct.


<delurk>

Icewing from Earthdawn?
I thought they had dropped the ED-SR links...


</delurk>
Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Bull)
Subject: YOTC (Ghostwalker)
Date: Sun May 12 22:25:02 2002
At 10:03 PM 5/12/02 -0400, you wrote:
> >The "offical consensus" is that Ghostwalker is Icewing, Dunk's brother.
> >Of course I could be confusing two threads about two great dragons
> >returning,
> >but I think this is correct.

Ghostwalker really is...

*pulls off cheesy rubber mask*

Kyle Morgan from Mecurial???

Kyle: I'd have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you pesky
Shadowrunners, and that dog too!

Ghostwalker is exactly who he says he is... Ghostwalker :] That, and
nothing more... (Or much, much more... It all depends on your point of
view :))


><delurk>
>
>Icewing from Earthdawn?
>I thought they had dropped the ED-SR links...
>
>
></delurk>

Errr, yes and no. The fact is, the link is there.

However, the problem was that Shadowrun was constrained a bit by
Earthdawn. If they introduced X into Earthdawn, suddenly people started
wondering where X was in Shadowrun, etc. Things like "Where are the
Obsidimen?" It's been stated over and over that Earthdawn was not designed
to be Shadowrun's past.... Unfortunately, at the last minute (After design
was done), they decided to use a link...

The problem was, they didn't match things up well enough. Shadowrun used,
more or less, the "Standard" mix of fantasy races, so to mix things up and
help give PCs a bit more of a distinction over other Fantasy Games (Fantasy
Games were the "hot genre" around then), they added three new
races: Windlings, T'Skrang, and Obsidimen. But then they added in the SR
link, and suddenly stuff from ED is missing in Shadowrun.

I'm rambling a bit, but since this topic actually hasn;t really come up
lately, thought I'd address it...

Anyways, the link *is* still there. But it was decided while both were
still under FASA that Shadowrun would not be constrained by it. If
something that appeared in ED could make a good hook or story or could fit
into SR, then it could be used... But if Earthdawn suddenly revealed that
Dragons were really from Outer Space, Shadowrun Dragons didn't have to
be. SR picked and chose what was used.

Now that separate companies altogether own the properties, there's no real
"official" link anymore. However, that doesn't mean the past can't and
won't be expanded upon whenever it's cool. Heck, look at the critters in
YotC... One or two of them have changed a bit over the years,
but... They've been here before :]

Bull
Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject: YOTC (Ghostwalker)
Date: Sun May 12 22:45:01 2002
<snipt!(TM)>
> Now that separate companies altogether own the
properties, there's no real "official" link anymore.
However, that doesn't mean the past can't and won't be
expanded upon whenever it's cool. Heck, look at the
critters in YotC... One or two of them have changed a
bit over the years, but... They've been here before
:]
> Bull

I was going to comment on that myself. I mean, really,
of all the potential critter imports, you choose
Brithans and Shadowmants? :)

====Doc'
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Message no. 6
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Bull)
Subject: YOTC (Ghostwalker)
Date: Mon May 13 02:20:01 2002
At 03:41 AM 5/13/02 +0100, you wrote:
><snipt!(TM)>
> > Now that separate companies altogether own the
>properties, there's no real "official" link anymore.
>However, that doesn't mean the past can't and won't be
>expanded upon whenever it's cool. Heck, look at the
>critters in YotC... One or two of them have changed a
>bit over the years, but... They've been here before
>:]
> > Bull
>
>I was going to comment on that myself. I mean, really,
>of all the potential critter imports, you choose
>Brithans and Shadowmants? :)

There were other choices... I wrote up nearly a dozen critters and had a
list of a bunch more, but those 6 were what Mike wanted <shrug>. Besides,
I really like the Brithan and the Shadowmant... They're a tad limited as
encounters go, since they're wilderness, but they're also nasty enough to
give PCs a run for their money (Which was my main goal for critters).

And you missed one critter from ED that I used :]

Bull
Message no. 7
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject: YOTC (Ghostwalker)
Date: Mon May 13 03:25:01 2002
> There were other choices... I wrote up nearly a
dozen critters and had a list of a bunch more, but
those 6 were what Mike wanted <shrug>. Besides, I
really like the Brithan and the Shadowmant... They're
a tad limited as encounters go, since they're
wilderness, but they're also nasty enough to give PCs
a run for their money (Which was my main goal for
critters).

Ah, I was just ribbin' ya, Bull. :) I was just pleased
that I recognised them. :)

> And you missed one critter from ED that I used :]
> Bull

I'm guessing that it was from a book beside the core
rulebook, as I haven't got many of the other books and
I really don't recognise any of the others from ED.

====Doc'
(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow, aka Doc'booner, aka Doc' Vader)

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Message no. 8
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Lone Eagle)
Subject: YOTC (Ghostwalker)
Date: Mon May 13 04:10:01 2002
>From: Valeu John EMFA <ValeuJ@*************.navy.mil>
>The "offical consensus" is that Ghostwalker is Icewing, Dunk's brother.
>Of course I could be confusing two threads about two great dragons
>returning,
>but I think this is correct.

Although if he is then he's a much younger brother; reading some of the
stuff in YOTC almost gives me the impression he's Dick Grayson to
Dunkelzahn's Bruce Wayne.

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Message no. 9
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Anders Swenson)
Subject: YOTC (Ghostwalker)
Date: Mon May 13 12:20:02 2002
On Mon, 13 May 2002 02:11:04 -0400
Bull <bull@*********.com> wrote:

...

> There were other choices... I wrote up nearly a dozen critters and
> had a list of a bunch more, but those 6 were what Mike wanted
> <shrug>. money
...

> (Which was my main goal for critters).
>
> Bull

Are you posting these unused critters, or are they on hold for a future
supplement?

--Anders

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