| From: | "Jason Carter, Nightstalker" <CARTER@***.EDU> |
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| Subject: | Nay, Ed, try again. |
| Date: | Sun, 18 Apr 1993 15:39:43 -0700 |
>>Whoa: I'm engaged in a full-fledged rebuttal (and subject heading) war, when
>>I'm blindsided by the sudden appearance of Doctor Doom. Ugh, my head. But I
>>won't let them stop me: I'm fighting for the freedom of spirits everywhere! :>
Doom, didn't blindside you. He just waited for the proper moment to blast
your pitful arguments into ash. Obviously he failed since your back again.
>>I'm going to dismiss Carter's statements that my statements are pure
>>speculation, since he has very little actual proof to refute me with (of
>>course, I have very little to back my claim up with, so we're even).
I'm disappointed in you Ed. After I at least had the commmon courtesy to
blast your speculation with pieces of evidence that is contrary to it, you wimp
out and just dismiss mine with a wave of the hand. Usually people ignore things
like those because they can not refute them.
>>I will take the time to speak out against Doctor Doom's allegations that
>>elementals aren't treated as slaves. You make many good points, Doctor, but
>>I have to disagree with your definitions: I may go so far as to say that
>>elementals are treated as freer slaves than has been recorded in history, but
>>they are still bound to another's will.
Ironic that you used the term "freer slaves", that's an oxymoron!
>>You said that magicians don't have to use all of the services: so? Most
>>usually do: I have yet to see any mage who hasn't gotten their money's worth
>>from the spirit they've summoned.
Never in the history of the world has a slave ever had a limited number of
services allocated to it. To be a slave would mean lifelong servitude. The
spirit only has a limited time of servitude, thus it could not possible be
slavery.
>>They are "free" to roam around when the magician doesn't need them: so
they
>>have a long leash: they still have to answer when called, and do whatever they
>>are told, no matter how existence-threatening.
Oh, shit! There goes the draft and the military. If making someone serve in
the Army is slavery than were all in trouble. To imagine being sent by your
country (The USA) into an existence-threatning situation (Veitnam, WWI or WWII
Europe, the Pesian Gulf). You'll have to come up with something better than
this Ed. We do the exact same thing to citzens of our own country.
>>They should feel grateful for the chance to visit our world: what have they to
>>enjoy? They're wrenched from their own plane (or created from the astral,
>>take your pick), brought here to serve another, and then, once their services
>>are complete, provided the mage doesn't add on more services with another
>>ritual, they are sent back whence they came. Gee, sounds wonderful.
Interesting paragraph Ed. Only two problems with it. Number one is that it's
drenched with your preconception that they are enslaved. The second is that
your thinking like a human. You have now idea as to whether they would enjoy
doing these things that are listed, you only know that you wouldn't.
>>Allies (back to Carter): okay, so some eventually grow to like their master:
>>not all will: are they to be punished because a few others found a
"good"
>>owner?
As someone BurnOut so artfully pointed out allies are "companions or slaves".
Depends on the mage who summons him and how he treats them. Just because some
could be classified as slaves doesn't mean they all are.
>>Oh, and being a decker has nothing to do with this discussion. I don't
>>traffic in the use of sentient creatures for my own purposes, so my
>>conscience is clear. Is yours, Jason? You steal too, or do you not remember
>>that mage's house you guys raided?
What does your being a decker have to do with this? Everything when you try
to use it as a source of solice. He who lives in a glass house should not throw
stones.
See Ya in Shadows,
Jason J Carter
The Nightstalker
