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From: Chris Ryan <chrisr@****.FIT.QUT.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Physical Adept answers
Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 12:21:50 EST
> It's about time. SRII is better than SRI for most purposes. (unabashed plug)

Never played SRI in a campaign, and I agree that SRII seems a lot better. Some
friends and I have finally found the time to get a group together to start a
campaign. I thought it would be good to get some more playing experience before
I write any more SR tournament modules (2 so far, both well received). ;-)

> Bioware does make people harder to heal, but only magicians lose essense from
> bioware. For mundanes add 1 to the target number to heal for every two points
> of bioware body index.

Good, that makes sense. Another 'point' to the phys ad.

> Acutally in most important cases it's actually cheaper to get another grade of
> initiation than it is to buy up your physical and combat skills. Initiation
> (assuming magic group and ordeal, the only way to initiate) cost 9 for grade 0

Perhaps. I realise if you don't find/join a magic group (there's a potential
roleplaying reason why not), then it just increases the multiplier.

> and goes up to 10 (G1),11 (G2) ,12 (G3),13 (G4),14 (G5),15 (G6), 16 (G7),...
> For one point of magic you can raise athletics and stealth by a total of 4
> dice, or Armed Combat, Unarmed Combat, Throwing, or Projectile Weapons buy a
> total of 2 dice, or Firearms and Gunnery by a total of one die. Assuming you
> already have skill 6 in any of these skills, it would cost 14 karma to raise
> just one of them just one point.

True. I beginning to see that I haven't thought out the calculations thoroughly.
I also realise I was taking the worst case in initiation - no magic group and
no ordeals, which from memory gives a multiplier of 3 - not good.

> Increasing characteristics is better done with straight karma since whether it
> is above or below racial maximum it's just cheaper that way. But I'd like to

Yes, I've seen that. Our GM has got a house rule to make things 'interesting' here.
We are allowed to raise our attributes to 1.5 times the original value OR racial
maximum, whichever is highest.

> see you raise your Reaction above racial maximum (actually it's cheaper to just
> raise your intelligence and quickness than to by increased reaction). Increased

Yes. I'd prefer to raise the reaction by int/quick anyway.

> Reflexes IMHO just cost too much, but I guess that's to make wired samurai
> faster than physical adepts.

It may cost too much magic point-wise, but I believe it's worth it to help finish
the pesky combats ASAP. ;-)

> As for the other physical adept abilities, I think most are overrated. Killing
> Hands is great, especially if you want to be a spirit processor, but you better
> off with L or M Killing Hands and a ton of Unarmed Combat dice than you are with
> S or D Killing Hands. Two extra initiative dice, killing hands (M), and four
> extra dice with Unarmed combat cost only 8 points of magic (30 points of karma).
> We could go on for ever, but I think I'll wait for your reply.

I've seen the error of my ways. :-) I'm going to create the character with the
extra 2 initiative dice, extra dice in some skills and maybe killing hands (L).

> Centering is the number one reason to become an initiate. You by a centering
> skill (an unusual language, dancing, singing, meditation) and get to make a
> skill roll verses the target number of the action minus your grade. For every
> two successes you get to reduce the target number of your skill check by one,
> but only to reduce penatlies to the roll. Now intially you can only center
> on physical skills (athletics and stealth) but you can buy the new power of
> Enhanced Centering (2 magic) and extend the power to a skill catagorie of your
> choice. Combat is an old favorite, but imagine the damage a physical adept
> detective could do with enhanced centering in Social Skills!!!! (These are not
> the droids your looking for. "These are not the droids we're looking
for.")

:-) Not bad. Because it was further down the line than start of play, I hadn't
bothered reading this far in the grimoire. I must find the time...

Social skills, eh? Psych and related fields could be verrrry interesting. :-)

> If you look at it in the right light, being a Physical Adept doesn't really cost
> that much more karma than playing a samurai. You just do things in a different
> way.

Yes, it's much clearer to me now. This discussion has helped me understand the various
aspects.

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