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From: Christopher Bellovary <bellovar@***.WISC.EDU>
Subject: Ammo, ammo, ammo....
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 15:36:29 CDT
Well folks, recently I talked to someone who knows a hell of a lot
more about ammo than I, and here's what I have for ya. Not much,
but something that has been missing....

Subsonic Rounds

-20% to all ranges
The target number modifier is doubled for all ranges beyond short
due to tumbling of the bullet. Vision magnification will
only compensate for the actual range part, not the tumble,
so someone with Op Mag 3 can fire subsonic rounds as accurately
as unaugmented people fire normal rounds.
+1 to ballistic ratings if ballistic armor is present.
(lack of penetrating power)
+1 to power
-3 to perception checks for noticing rounds fired.

Yes, I made a couple of simplifications here for ease of play,
but overall it looks good to me in comparison to the statistics I got.

Notes:

You can never make a normal round as silent as a subsonic round, due
to the fact supersonic rounds create a sonic boom just like
any other supersonic object (even with a silencer) But subsonic
rounds with silencers are about as loud as a bb gun.

Law enforcement officials versed in guns will not be pleased to see
subsonic rounds - as they are tools of professional hitmen.

Any military grade pistol can load subsonic rounds, but non-military
pistols cannot becuase subsonic rounds are 2 millimeters longer
than normal rounds. For example, todays Smith and Wesson 38
cannot load them, but the 38S (the famous police special 38)
can.

This also applies to hollowpoints, as hollowpoints are usually 2 milli-
meters shorter than the standard round, and need a special slide
to load them.


Nightstalker:

Not a flame, as I didn't know myself till yesterday, but you appended
a comment to one of the previous ammo posts of:

>>>>>[ I really don't think that the standard round of the 2050's is the
hollowpoint round. They do lots of tissue damage, but they just suck for
penetration purposes. ]<<<<<
-- Nightstalker <20:21:28/04-06-54>

I only bring this up, because I was just told that the hollowpoint is
actually more or less the standard round by police and military today
let alone 2050.

Apparently the penetration isn't bad either. A standard round fired by
a Beretta 92A (9mm) will go through 21 boards of 3/4 inch plywood spaced
six inches appart each, and the hollowpoint will go through 17 boards.
not too much of a difference there.

3/4 inch plywood is used because apparently that is about the resistance
of the human body if one does not strike bone. In fact, that is a major
problem with hollowpoints in weapons with a high muzzle velocity, like
the Beretta 92A, is that the bullet goes clean through the guy so that
the fact that it is a hollowpoint never comes into play.

-- CrossFire --

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