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From: Doctor Doom <JCH8169@*****.TAMU.EDU>
Subject: Consolidated Player Type List...
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1993 00:23:51 -0500
Meine Damen und Herren...

Herr Hayden expressed an interest in viewing the old postings regarding
*Real Men*, *Real Roleplayers*, Loonies, and Munchkins...

NOTICE: This is EXTREMELY LONG! It should require quite some time merely
to skim through...

It all began with Herr Murray's posting...

Subj: A nice long post about munchkins...

Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 02:48:12 CET

Hoi Kiddies;
Some slagger asked what a munchkin is. A reasonable question if
you have never heard of the term. What follows is a description of the
four types of gamers according to other game systems. While some of these
several of us will not know, they are descriptive enough.
My query to those of you out there in VR land is what would the
Shadowrun equivilents of these would be. I will put a suggestion or two at
the end. Beware, this is a long post. Enjoy!!!

-------------------------- cut here for munchkin -----------------------

REAL MEN, REAL ROLEPLAYERS, LOONIES AND MUNCHKINS
By Jeff Okamoto, Sandy Petersen, and lots of others

The whole thing started around 1983 or so at a party at Pacificon at
the Dunfey Hotel in San Mateo in which the idea came up of classifying
the different styles of roleplaying. They came up with four different
types, which are explained below. Special credit goes to Perry Caro,
Chris Guthrie, Rick Heli, Robert Allen, and Ken Kaufman, to name a few.

The Real Man
The tough macho type who walks up to the attacking dragon and tells
him to leave before he gets hurt.

The Real Roleplayer
The intelligent cunning guy who tricks the constable into letting
you all out of prison.

The Loonie
The guy who will do anything for a cheap laugh, including casting a
fireball at ground zero.

The Munchkin
Need we say more?


=== PLAYER RELATIONSHIPS ===

REAL MEN:
*Real Men* think they're brothers in arms.
*Real Roleplayers* hide behind them.
*Loonies* harass them with stupid suggestions.
*Munchkins* say "I'm a Real Man, too!"

REAL ROLEPLAYERS:
*Real Men* protect them, on the off chance they may come up with
something useful.
*Real Roleplayers* sigh with relief to know they're not alone,
and then get their characters involved in love affairs
and death feuds.
*Loonies* harass them with stupid suggestions.
*Munchkins* say "I'm a Real Roleplayer, too!"

LOONIES:
*Real Men* ignore them.
*Real Roleplayers* sometimes harass them back by taking a
stupid suggestion and making it work.
*Loonies* declare a pie fight at 20 paces . . . and cheat.
*Munchkins* try to imitate the jokes, and fall flat.

MUNCHKINS:
*Real Men* attack them on sight.
*Real Roleplayers* trick them into being cannon fodder.
*Loonies* make reasonable-sounding suggestions that will get
the Munchkin killed in an amusing way.
*Munchkins* query, "What's a Munchkin?"

=== GENERIC ===

Favorite FRPG:
*Real Men* play AD&D
*Real Roleplayers* play RuneQuest III
*Loonies* play Toon
*Munchkins* play anything by TSR

Favorite SFRPG:
*Real Men* play Star Trek: The Roleplaying Game
*Real Roleplayers* play Space Opera
*Loonies* play a variant Spawn of Fashan
*Munchkins* play anything by TSR

Favorite 1920's RPG:
*Real Men* play Gangbusters
*Real Roleplayers* play Call of Cthulhu
*Loonies* play a very variant Spawn of Fashan
*Munchkins* play anything by TSR

Favorite SHRPG:
*Real Men* play Champions
*Real Roleplayers* play Superworld
*Loonies* play an extremely variant Spawn of Fashan
*Munchkins* play anything by TSR

Favorite modern day/spy RPG:
*Real Men* play James Bond, 007
*Real Roleplayers* play Justice, Inc.
*Loonies* play an unrecognizable variant Spawn of Fashan
*Munchkins* play anything by TSR

Favorite Post-Holocaust RPG:
*Real Men* play Twilight 2000
*Real Roleplayers* play The Morrow Project
*Loonies* play an extremely unrecognizable variant of Spawn of
Fashan
*Munchkins* play anything by TSR

Favorite King Arthurian RPG:
*Real Men* play Chivalry and Sorcery
*Real Roleplayers* play Pendragon
*Loonies* play a variant of Spawn of Fashan so variant it shouldn't
be called Spawn of Fashan anymore
*Munchkins* play anything by TSR

Favorite World/Setting:
*Real Men* play in Greyhawk/Sanctuary
*Real Roleplayers* play in Glorantha
*Loonies* play in Southern California
*Munchkins* play wherever has the most magic items

Favorite Gaming Magazine:
*Real Men* read The General
*Real Roleplayers* read White Dwarf
*Loonies* read the last few pages of Dragon/comic books
*Munchkins* read anything by TSR


=== FANTASY ===

Favorite Dungeon Activity
*Real Men* fight Red Dragons
*Real Roleplayers* bluff the Ogres
*Loonies* tell dirty jokes to Green Slime
*Munchkins* do whatever gives the most experience/rip each other
off

Favorite Melee Weapon:
*Real Men* use Broadswords/Bastard Swords/Pole Axes
*Real Roleplayers* use Rapiers and Main-Gauches
*Loonies* use Stage Knives
*Munchkins* use whatever gives the most plusses

Favorite Thrown Weapon:
*Real Men* throw Spears/Javelins
*Real Roleplayers* throw Bolas
*Loonies* throw their friends' magic items
*Munchkins* throw whatever gives the most plusses

Favorite Missile Weapon:
*Real Men* shoot Long Bows/Composite Bows
*Real Roleplayers* shoot Crossbows
*Loonies* shoot Catapults loaded with offal
*Munchkins* shoot whatever gives the most plusses

Favorite Improvised Weapon in Barroom Brawl:
*Real Men* use bare hands/tables
*Real Roleplayers* use chairs, chair legs or pokers
*Loonies* use plastic Pepsi bottles or toothpaste
*Munchkins* use, you guessed it, whatever gives the most plusses

Favorite Improvised Thrown Weapons:
*Real Men* throw Munchkins (can you blame them?)
*Real Roleplayers* throw beer mugs, pool balls and rocks
*Loonies* throw Nerf frisbees
*Munchkins* are too busy running from the Real Men/Whatever gives
the most plusses

Favorite AD&D Spell:
*Real Men* cast Fireballs
*Real Roleplayers* cast Find the Path
*Loonies* cast Otto's Irresistible Nose-Picking
*Munchkins* cast Smite Ruler and Transfer Loyalty of Populace

Favorite RQ3 Spirit Spell:
*Real Men* cast Bladesharp 10 on their swords
*Real Roleplayers* cast Demoralize on their foes
*Loonies* cast Befuddle on their friends
*Munchkins* cast Fireball

Favorite RQ3 Sorcery Spell:
*Real Men* cast Dominate Human on others
*Real Roleplayers* cast Damage Resistance on their
familiars/themselves
*Loonies* cast Dominate Human on themselveS
*Munchkins* cast Meteor Swarm

Favorite RQ3 Divine Spell:
*Real Men* cast Berserker on themselves
*Real Roleplayers* cast Heal Body
*Loonies* cast Face Chaos on the Crimson Bat
*Munchkins* cast Timestop

Favorite GURPS Magic Spell:
*Real Men* don't use magic, but they'll let the mage cast Hawk
Flight on them so they can pursue the foe
*Real Roleplayers* cast Lend Language on the strangers they meet
*Loonies* cast Mystic Mist in the town square
*Munchkins* cast Enslave on the city guard

Favorite AD&D Psionic Ability:
*Real Men* use Body Weaponry
*Real Roleplayers* use Shape Alteration
*Loonies* use Sea Anemone Hypnosis
*Munchkins* use Assume Godhood

Favorite Alignment:
*Real Men* are Lawful Good
*Real Roleplayers* don't use alignment
*Loonies* are Amoral Silly
*Munchkins* are whatever gives the most plusses

Favorite Religious-type Character:
*Real Men* play Paladins
*Real Roleplayers* play Clerics
*Loonies* play street preachers
*Munchkins* play Demigods

Favorite Non-Human PC:
*Real Men* play Dwarfs
*Real Roleplayers* play Morokanths
*Loonies* play a Dwarf-Elf halfbreed
*Munchkins* play whatever gives the most plusses/Demi-gods

Favorite Undead to Summon:
*Real Men* summon Ghosts
*Real Roleplayers* summon Wraiths
*Loonies* send in an AD&D troll wearing a sheet
*Munchkins* summon Cerberus

Favorite Way of Extracting Information from the Goblins:
*Real Men* torture them
*Real Roleplayers* cast Legend Lore/Telepathy/Mind Read
*Loonies* tell puns to them
*Munchkins* peek behind the GM's shield

Favorite Demon/Devil:
*Real Men* like Asmodeus
*Real Roleplayers* like Cacodemon
*Loonies* like Spiro Agnew
*Munchkins* like Satan's grandfather

Favorite God:
*Real Men* worship Humakt/Orlanth
*Real Roleplayers* worship Issaries/Lhankor Mhy
*Loonies* worship Hare Krishna
*Munchkins* worship whoever gives the most plusses

Favorite Miscellaneous Magic Item:
*Real Men* love Adamantine Claws
*Real Roleplayers* love Repulsor Rays
*Loonies* love Radioactive Teeth/+3 Kleenex
*Munchkins* love Uru's Hammer

Favorite Potion:
*Real Men* drink potions of Superheroism
*Real Roleplayers* drink potions of Animal/Plant Control
*Loonies* drink potions of Jell-O
*Munchkins* drink potions of Deity Control

Favorite Ring:
*Real Men* wear rings of Elemental Control
*Real Roleplayers* wear rings of Free Action
*Loonies* wear rings of Smurf Control
*Munchkins* wear rings of Infinite Wishes/the One Ring

Favorite Stick (Rod/Staff/Wand):
*Real Men* wield staves of Striking
*Real Roleplayers* wield wands of Healing
*Loonies* wield rods of styrofoam
*Munchkins* wield staves of Deity Power

Favorite Armor:
*Real Men* wear Plate Mail
*Real Roleplayers* wear Elven Chainmail
*Loonies* wear Horse Barding
*Munchkins* wear powered armor a la Starship Troopers

Favorite Helm:
*Real Men* wear a Helm of Brilliance
*Real Roleplayers* wear a Helm of Telepathy
*Loonies* wear a Helm of Blindness (``Works great against
medusas'')
*Munchkins* wear a Helm of 360-Degree Vision with Force Field

Favorite Shield:
*Real Men* don't use shields (can't wield a two-handed weapon)
*Real Roleplayers* use a Kite Shield
*Loonies* use a panty shield
*Munchkins* don't get the previous joke/use a Shield of Automatic
Parry

Favorite Glove/Gauntlet:
*Real Men* fight bare-handed
*Real Roleplayers* wear Gloves of Dexterity
*Loonies* wear THE Glove of Michael Jackson Charisma
*Munchkins* wear Gauntlets of Infinite Ring-Wearing

Favorite Footwear:
*Real Men* wear Seven League Boots
*Real Roleplayers* wear Boots of Stealth
*Loonies* wear house slippers
*Munchkins* wear Boots of Infinite Speed

Favorite Mount:
*Real Men* ride heavy war horses
*Real Roleplayers* ride palfreys
*Loonies* ride sheep
*Munchkins* ride heavy war tyrannosauri

Favorite NPC:
*Real Men* like Tarl Cabot
*Real Roleplayers* like Medea
*Loonies* like Doctor Who
*Munchkins* like Darth Vader/Teela Brown

Favorite Animal to use as a Familiar:
*Real Men* have Black Cats
*Real Roleplayers* have Owls
*Loonies* have Slugs
*Munchkins* have whatever gives the most plusses/Ancient Red
Dragons

Favorite Kind of Elf:
*Real Men* like the Pinis' elves
*Real Roleplayers* like Tolkien's elves
*Loonies* like Santa's elves
*Munchkins* like Storm Giants with pointed ears

Favorite Kind of Dwarf:
*Real Men* like Tolkien's Dwarfs
*Real Roleplayers* like Glorantha's Dwarfs
*Loonies* like the Seven Dwarfs
*Munchkins* like Earth Elementals with beards

Favorite Food to take on Expeditions:
*Real Men* bring along burgers, fries, milkshakes, and pizza
*Real Roleplayers* bring along iron rations
*Loonies* bring along Froot Loops/aluminum rations
*Munchkins* bring along whatever gives the most plusses

Favorite Fantasy Author:
*Real Men* read J.R.R. Tolkien ``Lord of the Rings''
*Real Roleplayers* read Robert Asprin's ``Thieves' World'' series
*Loonies* read Robert Asprin's ``Myth'' series
*Munchkins* read E. Gary Gygax

When they encounter a sleeping dragon:
*Real Men* wake it up and THEN attack it.
*Real Roleplayers* sneak away quietly.
*Loonies* tie its shoelaces together.
*Munchkins* have their 34th-level thief backstab it with their
+17 Sword of Slay Anything, and then put all its treasure
in one backpack and run away.

Favorite Town Activity:
*Real Men* drink ale in the tavern and start bar fights.
*Real Roleplayers* drink wine in the tavern and talk to everyone.
*Loonies* order watermelon daquiris and start food fights.
*Munchkins* say ``What's a town?''


=== SCIENCE FICTION ===

Favorite Science Fiction Weapon:
*Real Men* use Laser Pistols/Blasters/Light Sabers
*Real Roleplayers* use Stun Guns/Tanglers
*Loonies* use Thermonuclear Hand Grenades/Tripod Flamers
*Munchkins* use whatever gives the most plusses

Favorite Method of Handling Alien Monster:
*Real Men* drive off the Bug-Eyed Monsters invading the Earth
*Real Roleplayers* negotiate with the refugees from the evil Empire
*Loonies* hitch a ride with Vogons
*Munchkins* invade the BEMs' home planet and enslave them all

Favorite Science Fiction Movie:
*Real Men* watch the Star Wars films
*Real Roleplayers* watch ``2001: A Space Odyssey/2010: Odyssey
Two''
*Loonies* watch ``The Three Stooges Go To Mars''
*Munchkins* watch the Star Trek films

Favorite Method of Space Travel:
*Real Men* use Hyperspace/Warp Drive
*Real Roleplayers* use suspended animation
*Loonies* use the Infinite Improbability Drive
*Munchkins* push the button and it goes

Favorite Star to Put a Colony Around:
*Real Men* colonize Beta Lyrae
*Real Roleplayers* colonize Alpha Centauri
*Loonies* colonize Cygnus X-1
*Munchkins* colonize wherever gives the most plusses

Favorite Science Fiction Author:
*Real Men* read Isaac Asimov
*Real Roleplayers* read Arthur C. Clarke
*Loonies* read Bored of the Rings/Doon/Hitchhiker
*Munchkins* read E. Gary Gygax

Favorite Monster:
*Real Men* like the Alien
*Real Roleplayers* like the Moties
*Loonies* like the beach ball from Dark Star
*Munchkins* like E.T.

Favorite Variant Human:
*Real Men* play Heavy Worlders
*Real Roleplayers* play Light Worlders/Spacers
*Loonies* play Sex Androids
*Munchkins* play Enhanced Humans with all the advantages


=== MISCELLANEOUS ===

Favorite Bar to Hang Out In:
*Real Men* hang out at the Vulgar Unicorn
*Real Roleplayers* hang out at the White Hart
*Loonies* hang out at the Big Bang Burger Bar/Restaurant at the End
of the Universe
*Munchkins* hang out wherever they don't get carded

Favorite Superhero:
*Real Men* like Batman (The Dark Knight)
*Real Roleplayers* like Jericho
*Loonies* like Bat-Mite/Flaming Carrot/Cutey Bunny
*Munchkins* like Galactus

Favorite Modern weapon:
*Real Men* use .44 Magnums
*Real Roleplayers* use Walther PPKs
*Loonies* use water pistols
*Munchkins* use Infinite-Repeating Uzis

Favorite Actor:
*Real Men* like John Wayne
*Real Roleplayers* like Claus Kinski
*Loonies* like Curly
*Munchkins* watch Saturday-morning cartoons

Favorite Actress:
*Real Men* like Raquel Welch
*Real Roleplayers* like Adrienne Barbeau
*Loonies* like Phyllis Diller
*Munchkins* are far too young to know about Sex

Favorite Actor to play James Bond:
*Real Men* like Sean Connery
*Real Roleplayers* like George Lazenby
*Loonies* like David Niven
*Munchkins* like Roger Moore

Favorite Card Game:
*Real Men* play Gin
*Real Roleplayers* play Bridge
*Loonies* play Fizzbin/Fungus and Fruitbats
*Munchkins* cheat at Poker

Favorite Music:
*Real Men* listen to Bruce Springsteen
*Real Roleplayers* listen to 14th-century madrigals
*Loonies* listen to Weird Al Yankovic
*Munchkins* watch MTV

Favorite Magazine:
*Real Men* read Soldier of Fortune and argue about whether the ads
are real.
*Real Roleplayers* read the Journal of Abnormal Psychology and
argue about the point value of disadvantages.
*Loonies* read National Lampoon and bitch about how it's gone
downhill.
*Munchkins* read comic books and argue about whether Spider-Man
should have married MJ.

Favorite Convention Activity:
*Real Men* ``Do the Dealer's Room''/hang out in the con suite
*Real Roleplayers* go to seminars/hide in their rooms and play
games
*Loonies* play video games/do hoax zines
*Munchkins* run and shout and cut in lines

Favorite Gaming Awards:
*Real Men* vote for the (new) Charles Roberts awards from 3W
*Real Roleplayers* vote for the Origins Awards
*Loonies* come in at the end of the Origins ceremony to vote
on the Silver Hatchets
*Munchkins* vote for the Strategists Club awards

Favorite Type of Dice:
*Real Men* like 20-siders
*Real Roleplayers* use three 6-siders
*Loonies* use 30-sided for everything
*Munchkins* have them all, and like to roll as many as possible


=== CALL OF CTHULHU ===

Favorite Spell:
*Real Men* don't believe in magic
*Real Roleplayers* cast Elder Sign
*Loonies* cast Summon Smurf
*Munchkins* cast Control Cthulhu

Favorite Monster:
*Real Men* like Deep Ones
*Real Roleplayers* don't like any of them
*Loonies* like Masters of the Universe Slime
*Munchkins* like Azathoth

Favorite Type of Character to Play:
*Real Men* play Private Investigators
*Real Roleplayers* play Professors of Ancient Egyptian Archaeology
*Loonies* play Red Indian Sex Maniacs
*Munchkins* play Magic-Users


===PARANOIA===

Capsule Opinion:
*Real Men* think the weapons are OK, but hate the background.
*Real Roleplayers* think the campaigns are too short.
*Loonies* think the game isn't funny enough.
*Munchkins* don't think the game is supposed to be funny.

Favorite Service Group:
*Real Men* like Armed Forces.
*Real Roleplayers* like Tech Services and CPU.
*Loonies* like R&D.
*Munchkins* like IntSec.

Favorite Secret Society:
*Real Men* like Anti-Mutant, Frankenstein Destroyers, and PURGE.
*Real Roleplayers* like Free Enterprise and Sierra Club.
*Loonies* like Corpore Metal, Death Leopard, and Mystics.
*Munchkins* like Psion.

Favorite Mutant Power:
*Real Men* like Adrenalin Control.
*Real Roleplayers* like Hypersenses.
*Loonies* like Project Total Chaos.
*Munchkins* like characters with the works.

Favorite Weapon:
*Real Men* like cone rifles.
*Real Roleplayers* like laser pistols.
*Loonies* like chainsaws and anything from R&D.
*Munchkins* like Plasma Generators.

Favorite Target:
*Real Men* shoot Commie Mutant Traitors.
*Real Roleplayers* shoot the Munchkins' characters.
*Loonies* shoot anything fragile-looking.
*Munchkins* shoot anything in sight, starting with the other PCs.

Favorite Mission:
*Real Men* like to hunt down Commie Mutant Traitors.
*Real Roleplayers* like to try to survive the briefing.
*Loonies* like to place themselves under surveillance and report
hourly.
*Munchkins* like to attack a rival Alpha Complex.


=== TFOS ===

Capsule Opinion:
*Real Men* can't understand the game at all.
*Real Roleplayers* think the game is silly.
*Loonies* think the game is about them.
*Munchkins* want to play their 700-point Champions character.

Favorite Character Type:
*Real Men* play Near Humans.
*Real Roleplayers* play Humans.
*Loonies* play green fuzzy blobs that drip slime.
*Munchkins* play Deities.

Favorite Powers:
*Real Men* have Superspeed, Monster Out, and Superstrength
*Real Roleplayers* have Teleport, Deep Freeze, and Talk to Aliens.
*Loonies* have Bounce, Summon Pizza, and Telephone.
*Munchkins* have all of them.

Favorite Knacks:
*Real Men* like Shoot Big Raygun and Flying Saucer Piloting.
*Real Roleplayers* like Figure Things Out and Look Cool in Shades.
*Loonies* like Weird Science and Eat Anything.
*Munchkins* like Do Anything I Want.

Favorite Weapon:
*Real Men* like Zap Guns.
*Real Roleplayers* like Duplicator Guns.
*Loonies* like Goop Guns and Boy/Girl Guns.
*Munchkins* like AT-AT Walkers.

Favorite Transportation:
*Real Men* use flying saucers.
*Real Roleplayers* use the Number 42 Crosstown Expedience Route.
*Loonies* use Rocket Sneakers.
*Munchkins* use Battlestars.


=== CHAMPIONS ===

Capsule Opinion:
*Real Men* think this is how the world *should* be.
*Real Roleplayers* think there's too much combat.
*Loonies* think it's a great system for simulating reality.
*Munchkins* think starting characters don't have enough points.

Favorite Character Type:
*Real Men* like Bricks.
*Real Roleplayers* like Mentalists.
*Loonies* like Cream-Puff Projectors.
*Munchkins* like visiting Gods.

Favorite Power:
*Real Men* like Damage Resistance.
*Real Roleplayers* like Telepathy.
*Loonies* like Instant Change with the advantage Usable on Others.
*Munchkins* like Autofire Find Weakness.

Favorite Attribute:
*Real Men* like Strength.
*Real Roleplayers* like Ego.
*Loonies* like Comeliness.
*Munchkins* like Speed.

Favorite Disadvantage:
*Real Men* like Berserk.
*Real Roleplayers* like Psychological Limitations.
*Loonies* like Dependency on Spinach Egg Noodles.
*Munchkins* like Unusual Looks.

Favorite Power Limitation:
*Real Men* like Always On.
*Real Roleplayers* like Limited Uses.
*Loonies* like Activation on 8-.
*Munchkins* like Focus and Multipower.

Tactics in Hostage Situations:
*Real Men* demonstrate what'll happen to villians who injure
hostages.
*Real Roleplayers* create an illusion of the hostages getting away.
*Loonies* taunt the villians.
*Munchkins* waste the villians with their 10d6 Autofire
Armor-Piercing Ranged Killing Attack, and use
Regeneration Usable on Others to heal the injured
bystanders.


=== FANTASY HERO ===

Capsule Opinion:
*Real Men* like how expensive magic is.
*Real Roleplayers* don't like how expensive magic is.
*Loonies* like the bizzare disadvantages you can create.
*Munchkins* like the crossover from Champions.

Character Type:
*Real Men* play Dwarven Knights.
*Real Roleplayers* play Elven Mages.
*Loonies* play Halfling Knights.
*Munchkins* play their Champions characters.

Favorite Spell Limitations:
*Real Men* wish there weren't any, so magic would be even more
expensive.
*Real Roleplayers* like Gestures, Incantation, and Concentrate.
*Loonies* like Side Effects.
*Munchkins* use the Champions rules.

Favorite Spells:
*Real Men* like any kind of magic greatsword.
*Real Roleplayers* like Percieve and Illusions.
*Loonies* like Dominate usable on Self Only.
*Munchkins* like Blast, Variable Advantage, Reduced END to zero.


=== GURPS ===

Capsule Opinion:
*Real Men* think there aren't enough combats.
*Real Roleplayers* think there aren't enough supplements.
*Loonies* think there aren't enough disadvantages.
*Munchkins* think there aren't enough hit points.

Favorite Advantages:
*Real Men* like Combat Reflexes, Strong Will, High Pain Threshold
and Toughness.
*Real Roleplayers* like Charisma, Danger Sense, Empathy, Literacy
and Voice.
*Loonies* like Luck, Absolute Timing and Unusual Background.
*Munchkins* like Magery 3, Patron (Superman), and PK (80).

Favorite Disadvantages:
*Real Men* like Gigantism and Berserk
*Real Roleplayers* like Sense of Duty and Poverty
*Loonies* like Severe Delusions, Severe Phobias, Split Personality,
Total Pacifism and Berserk - all at the same time.
*Munchkins* like Enemies and Dependents (for the points).

Favorite Skills:
*Real Men* like Brawling, Two-Handed Sword, Broadsword and Shield.
*Real Roleplayers* like Acting, Bard, Detect Lies, Diplomacy,
Fast-Talk, Merchant, Savoir-Faire and Streetwise.
*Loonies* like to use ALL skills at a default level of 5.
*Munchkins* like Fast-Talk GM and Whine.

Favorite Combat Spell:
*Real Men* don't use magic.
*Real Roleplayers* cast Blur and Flash.
*Loonies* cast Create Object (cream pies) and throw them.
*Munchkins* cast Armor, Shield, Invisibility and Deathtouch.

Favorite Non-Combat Spell:
*Real Men* still don't use magic.
*Real Roleplayers* cast Major Healing.
*Loonies* cast Drunkenness on the other PCs.
*Munchkins* cast Linking spells on everything they own.

Favorite Supplement:
*Real Men* like Horseclans and Ice Age.
*Real Roleplayers* like Space, Horror and Japan.
*Loonies* like Toon.
*Munchkins* like Fantasy, Horror and Autoduel - in the same game.

Supplement Most Wanted:
*Real Men* want Wild West and World War II.
*Real Roleplayers* want Illuminati.
*Loonies* want Pet Rocks/Creeks & Crawdads.
*Munchkins* want Supers and Mecha, to add to their
Fantasy/Horror/Autoduel game.

=== Shadowrun ===

Favorite Archetype:
*Real Men* play Street Sams
*Real Roleplayers* play Hermetic Sorcery Adepts
*Loonies* play Ant Shamans with empty Narcojet guns
*Munchkins* play Decker/Mages with a level 4 power focus and a
Fairlight Excalibur

Favorite Weapon:
*Real Men* use M107 HMG with just enough recoil comp and
smartlink or dual Ares Pred II
*Real Roleplayers* use Ingram Smartguns or Remington
Roomsweepers
*Loonies* use Squirts loaded with Kool-Aid and have Pez
dispensers for clips
*Munchkins* use modified assault cannons that fire full auto
("This one's specially modified so there is no
recoil. Yeah, the Armorer made the roll")

I made these. Add on if you have ideas. :]

From: IN%"Robert Hayden <rahayden@*****.WEEG.UIOWA.EDU>"
Date: 17-NOV-1992 21:22:38
Description: SR and Munchkins

Message sent: Wed, 18 Nov 92 03:19:49 CET.

Favorite Totems:
*Real Men*: Follow Wolf
*Roleplayers: Follow Dog
*Loonys: Follow Duck-Billed Platypus
*Munchkins: Follow Dragon, Vampire, and Chimera -- at once

Favorite Decking Utility:
*Real Men*: Load Attack
*Roleplayers: Load Sleaze
*Loonys*: Load Tickle
*Munchkins: Load Control CPU

Favorite Race:
*Real Men:* Are Trolls
*Role Players: Are Elves
*Loonys: Are Toons
*Munchkins: Are Gods

From: IN%"Androoooooooo <mmd@***.UMD.EDU>"
Date: 18-NOV-1992 01:40:21
Description: Mor Shadorun Munchkin garbage...

Message sent: Tue, 17 Nov 92 23:39:41 -0500.

SHADOWRUN

Favorite Combat Spell
*Real Men* prefer Power Bolt.
*Real Roleplayers* prefer Stun Bolt, because then you
get to interrogate the victim.
*Loonies* prefer Turn Gun To Whipped Cream
*Munchinks* prefer Slay All within 2 miles.

Favorite form of protection (Not condoms)
*Real Men* prefer Full Heavy.
*Real Roleplayers* prefer Lined Coats & Secure Jackets.
*Loonies* prefer their Titanium Jock Strap.
*Munchinks* prefer all of the above, at the same time.

Favorite Lifestyle
*Real Men* live in a Low Lifestyle Area.
*Real Roleplayers* live in a Mid or Low lifestyle area.
*Loonies* live at the circus.
*Munchkins* live at Fort Knox.

Favorite Way of Killing Someone
*Real Men* shot to the head.
*Real Roleplayers* shot from a dark alley, behind cover.
*Loonies* use slingshots.
*Munchkins* call their 10 dragon contacts, and have them
do it.

From: IN%"Doctor Doom <JCH8169@*****.TAMU.EDU>"
Date: 18-NOV-1992 04:44:24
Description: More player types in SHADOWRUN...

Message sent: Wed, 18 Nov 92 10:40:58 CET.

SHADOWRUN Player Types...

Favorite Pistol
*Real Men* prefer Ruger's Super Warhawk
*Real Roleplayers* prefer Predator II's
*Loonies* prefer Ares Squirt with paint pellets
*Munchkins* prefer Smartlinked Panther Assault Cannons carried around
like pistols

Favorite Firearm
*Real Men* use Assault Rifles
*Real Roleplayers* use Ingram Smartguns
*Loonies* use battery-driven Waterguns
*Munchkins* use Vindicator Miniguns with a Gyro Mount and
GasVent IV's

Favorite Thrown Weapon
*Real Men* throw Handgrenades
*Real Roleplayers* throw Shuriken or Knives
*Loonies* throw Cream Pies or Water Balloons
*Munchkins* throw Sub-Tactical Nuclear Devices with cyberarms, so
that they are out of the area of effect

Favorite Centering Skill Language
*Real Men* use Latin
*Real Roleplayers* use Teutonic Runes or Ancient Greek
*Loonies* use Pig Latin
*Munchkins* use an obscure Amerindian language that, although
technically dead, they also get the native language
bonus when generating the character

Favorite Magic Character Type
*Real Men* play Hermetic Mages
*Real Roleplayers* play Shamans
*Loonies* play Clown Adepts
*Munchkins* play SR1 Physical Adepts (with enough auto-successes to
default all over the place)

From: IN%"Crisper Than Thou <crisper@*******.ARMORY.COM>"
Date: 18-NOV-1992 12:37:36
Description: Getting into this Munchkin list

Message sent: Wed, 18 Nov 92 08:22:06 PST.

Typical Spellcasters:
*Real Men* stock up on Combat spells and summon Elementals/Spirits.
*Real Roleplayers* use Detection spells and have a Familiar.
*Loonies* take Control Emotion: Self and use Watchers a lot.
*Munchkins* have all the spells listed and summon God routinely.

Bonded Magic Items:
*Real Men* have a couple of Power Foci, rating 2 each
*Real Roleplayers* have Spell Purpose and Specific Spell foci
*Loonies* have a plastic butter knife Weapon Focus
*Munchkins* have a magic sword that lets them Initiate another level
every time they kill someone with it.

Contacts:
*Real Men* hang out with Mafia Hitmen and Bartenders.
*Real Roleplayers* hang out with Squatters and Media Freelancers.
*Loonies* hang out with "Boffo the Wonder-Dog"
*Munchkins* have Dunkelzahn as a butler and Harlequin as a chauffer.

Vehicle of Choice:
*Real Men* drive street bikes (Auroras and Rapiers)
*Real Roleplayers* drive modded Westwinds
*Loonies* drive ice cream trucks (air horns playing "Chariots of Fire")
*Munchkins* own three or four Battlemechs.

From: IN%"Dark Elf <VESPOSIT@****.SUNYSB.EDU>"
Date: 18-NOV-1992 15:43:14
Description: More Munchkinism

Message sent: Wed, 18 Nov 92 14:53:47 EST.
SR===================
Favorite Character:
*Real Men* Troll Street Sam
*RolePlayer* Private Investigator
*Loonies* Krusty the Clown
*Munchkins* Rigger/Mages with -6 essence, an unlimited supply of
12 point fosuses and a fleet of panzers

Favorite Aircraft:
*Real Men* NightWraith fighter/bombers
*Roleplayers* Surveillance drones
*Loonies* A *BIG* red balloon!
*Munchkins* A Zentradei Flagship

Favorite NPC contact:
*Real Men* Troll Bouncers
*RolePLayers* Humanis members and Media producers
*Loonies* A DOuble-Chocolate Sloppy Shake
*Munchkins* Cthulhu

Favorite Place to Eat:
*Real Men* Death's Door Bar and Grill
*RolePlayers* The Space Needle
*Loonies* STUFFER SHACK!!! WHERE ELSE
*Munchkins* Whadda ya mean we have to eat!

Favorite Cyberdeck
*Real Men* Going Naked (SRI only)
*RolePlayers* Fuchi-7
*Loonies* Radio-Shack with random erase feature
*Munchkins* The Aztechnology Mainframe

Favorite Missions:
*Real Men* Desert Wars IV
*RolePlayers* Datasteals for Mr. J.
*Loonies* Looking for Corky the Cocker Spaniel
*Munchkins* Kill everyone

Favorite Evasion Program
*Real Men* Attack-9
*RolePlayers* Sleaze
*Loonies* Microsoft Word 5.0
*Munchkins* A Black IC that he downloaded to his deck

Favorite Weapon
*Real Men* GPHMG- General Purpose Heavy Machine Gun
*RolePlayers* Tasers and NarcoJect
*Loonies* An inside-out shock glove
*Munchkins* Shoulder Mounted ICBM Launchers

Favorite Cyberware
*Real Men* Cyberspurs and Wired Reflexes 2
*RolePlayers* Internal Voice Mask, Skillwires-3
*Loonies* Cortex Bombs (in self)
*Munchkins* Beta clinic wired reflexes-10 with no essence cost,
A never-miss targeting computer and an Assault cannon cybergun.

General Comments on SR:
*Real Men* Good Game, lots of combat.
*RolePlayers* Plenty of intrigue
*Loonies* Not enough stuffer shacks
*Munchkins* Needs bigger weapons, should be more like champions,
Gary Gygax probably hates it anyway.

From: IN%"Crisper Than Thou <crisper@*******.ARMORY.COM>"
Date: 19-NOV-1992 12:30:35
Description: More Munchkins

Message sent: Thu, 19 Nov 92 08:27:34 PST.

Typical Opposition:
*Real Men* come up against corporate guards and Yak assassins.
*Real Roleplayers* must outwit corrupt politicians and corp execs.
*Loonies* chase after street mimes and psychotic poodles.
*Munchkins* have to kill Cthulhu just to get to the *real* danger.

Typical Break-In Method:
*Real Men* kill the opposition and take the loot.
*Real Roleplayers* create a two-front diversion and sneak in.
*Loonies* pretend they're pizza delivery and knock on the front door.
*Munchkins* attack from the sky, destroy the facility, take the loot
and about 10 million nuyen worth of other corporate materials,
get their pay, and buy another Battlemech.

Typical Fixer/Mr. Johnson Deals:
*Real Men* say "40,000 nuyen ain't enough, chummer. 75k or no go."
*Real Roleplayers* say "Instead of money, how about you smooth some
ruffled feathers over at Renraku? I'd rather they weren't
out for my blood anymore."
*Loonies* say "Can we have it all in McDonald's gift certificates?"
*Munchkins* say "Right, one million nuyen plus controlling stock in
Ares America, plus a Nightsky with full-auto Panther cannons
and your youngest daughter. Also, you have to supply our
hardware needs, which I have right here...." (pulls out some-
thing akin to an encyclopedia)

From: IN%"'Jason Carter, Nightstalker' <CARTER@***.EDU>"
Date: 19-NOV-1992 19:01:51
Description: Munchkins

Message sent: Fri, 20 Nov 92 00:58:36 CET.

More Munchkin Stuff,

Favorite Cyberware:
*Real Men* have Wired Reflexes-2 and a Smartgun link
*Real Roleplayers* have a Datajack and Headware Memory
*Loonies* have Neon Rainbow Swirl Cybereyes with the color
blindness enchancment only
*Munchkins* have Beta Wired Reflexes-3 and Beta Vehicle Control
Rig-3 at the same time

Favorite Non-Magical Archtype:
*Real Men* play Street Samurai
*Real Roleplayers* play Deckers
*Loonies* play SimSense Stars
*Munchkins* play Decker-Rigger-Mages (Hey, deckers and riggers
aren't magical)

Most Treasured Karma Awards:
*Real Men* Two points for Guts and full success points
*Real Roleplayers* Two points for Roleplaying or one for Drama
*Loonies* Three plus Humor and one for high meloDrama
*Munchkins* Two for roleplaying a killing machine, plus two for
Guts in the face of those thrill gangers, and 1 for smartly using
the Battlemech to kill the Dragon, and 1 for being in the Right place
at the Right Time (namely being on the adventure) and .........

Favorite Melee Weapon:
*Real Men* use Dikote covered CyberSpurs
*Real Roleplayers* use swords
*Loonies* use Nerf Bats
*Munchkins* use Force 6 Light Saber Weapon Focuses

From: IN%"Dark Elf <VESPOSIT@****.SUNYSB.EDU>"
Date: 19-NOV-1992 19:10:59
Description: More Munchkinisms

Message sent: Thu, 19 Nov 92 18:34:28 EST.

Favorite BTL chip:
*Real Men* Neil the Orc Barbarian
*Real RolePlayers* The minotaur's Labryinth
*Loonies* Simulated Paranoia game
*Munchkins* Who needs fantasy when you're more powerful than GOD!!!

Favorite Rocker Band
*Real Men* Disater Area
*Real RolePlayers* Concrete Dreams (still the best)
*Loonies* Wierd Al 2053
*Munchkins* I'm my favorite Rocker!!!!!!

Favorite Critter:
*Real Men* Basilisks (they put up one hell of a fight)
*Real RolePlayers* Sasquatch (they're not really animals you know)
*Loonies* A RAT, A BIG F***ING RAT, WITH A TAIL AND S**T COMING
OUT OF IT'S A**!!!!!!!!!!!!
*Munchkins* Great Dragons, they're good for target practice.

Favorite Ammunition:
*Real Men* Exploding Bullets
*Real RolePlayers* Drugged Gel Rounds (so you can get them to hand
over their Y for the antidote)
*Loonies* Ping-Pong Balls
*Munchkins* Enchanted exploding flechette rounds that home in on
living things and are coated with Cyanide-IV, causing
instant death even on a near miss.

Least favorite Food:
*Real Men* Quiche, real men don't eat it!
*Real RolePlayers* Anything not scanned for poison
*Loonies* Anything not covered in whipped cream and ketchup
*Munchkins* Food??? Who needs food, I'm immortal!!!!!!!!

Favorite Non-Shadowrunning Pastime:
*Real Men* Spending time at the target range
*Real RolePlayers* Boneing up on the B/R skills
*Loonies* Hitting own head with hammer, repeatedly
*Munchkins* World domination.

From: IN%"Doctor Doom <JCH8169@*****.TAMU.EDU>"
Date: 19-NOV-1992 22:43:49
Description: Munchkin: Unbound

Message sent: Fri, 20 Nov 92 04:40:25 CET.

Favorite Villians:
*Real Men* like Doctor Doom
*Real RolePlayers* like Magneto
*Loonies* like The Joker
*Munchkins* like the Beyonder

Favorite Food:
*Real Men* eat steak
*Real RolePlayers* eat fillet mignon with pureed potatoes accompanied
with a dry red wine
*Loonies* eat junk food, exclusively, the more unhealthy, the better
*Munchkins* eat ultra-high protein, carbohydrate, vitamin and mineral
supplements that increase their metabolism such that they
can perform incredible feats of strength without having to
use Karma to raise the appropriate attribute

General Commentary on ShadowRun's Second Edition:
*Real Men* like the fact that it is more lethal
*Real RolePlayers* hope the heightened lethality will cause less of
an emphasis on combat
*Loonies* do not care. They do not read rules.
*Munchkins* are disappointed lots of the 'holes' in the rules have
been plugged, but give them time.


Und das ist alles.


Colonel Count von Hohenzollern und von Doom, DMSc, DSc, PhD.

Doom Technologies & Weapon Systems -- Dark Thought Publications
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