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From: Dave Sherohman <esper@*****.IMA.UMN.EDU>
Subject: Eyes, Eyes, Eyes...
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 02:02:47 CST
From: Stefan Hahn <HAHN%UPS.EDU@***.spcs.umn.edu>
>Eyes Eyes Eyes...
>
>If you have nearsightedness, can you get eyes grown that'll correct this
>problem?

I expect that clonal eyes would at least temporarily correct the problem,
as my nersightedness took several years to develop. Another option would
be to get Type O replacements which were cloned from someone with perfect
vision and would (presumably) not become nearsighted.

>If you have a clone (or the parts) grown, and you get shot up or have a heart
>attack, can you replace your heart with a cloned heart that doesn't have your
>years of wear and tear? How about replacing major arteries instead of
>performing bypass surgery?

Yep.

>If you fall off a building and shatter your spine, can you get the vertebrae
>and nerves realigned?

This could be a problem in that SR technology can't quite clone the central
nervous system properly (nice dodge on FASA's part to avoid clone rights and
related issues, neh?), so any nerve damage would have to be either repaired
using conventional techniques or replaced cybernetically.

>If you break your knee and hafta get those little steel pins in it, does that
>cost essence?

I doubt it, unless you have cybernerves thrown in so you can control what the
pins do. :)

>What if you get someone else's parts from the meat dealer? (a la the flat Body
>Parts) If you get a (small) troll's leg grafted onto your body, wouldn't it
>have the +1 point of natural dermal plating? If you got some unfortunate meta's
>eyes, wouldn't they still have the additional sensory range?

Since SR doesn't use hit locations, the troll leg would only give 0.15 to 0.25
levels of Dermal Plate (and that much even if the GM's feeling generous), which
translates to no game effect. As for the meta-eyes, you would likely need
some extra hardware thrown in for your brain to be able to successfully
interpret the newly available range of vision. I'd probably put the essence
cost of this at the same level as getting retinal mods, since it's basically
the same thing.

>How about selective surgery to continually replace worn-out parts & tissues...
>you can even regenerate nerve pathways, reversing the inevitable deterioration
>of the brain...virtual immortality a la the Howard Families Foundation...

Leonization would be cheaper and safer, probably more effective as well.
(Just don't go to EterniTech for it...)

>And debilitating injuries on the astral plane wouldn't affect your physical
>body...lose an arm in astral combat, and your meat arm doesn't fall off. (duh)

Correct.

>_BUT_, without that astral arm, does your knowledge-of-self include an arm
>anymore, or is it a dangling, useless, piece of meat? That's the real question.

I'd say you're still normal (aside from having taken massive damage). Sort
of a corollary to the "You are what you will" point that Hayden brought up.

>After all, if you die on the astral plane, you're dead in real life, right?
>Your body's alive, but it's just a vegetable.

Yeah, but dead is _dead_ - there's no lifeforce remaining. But if your
astral arm somehow gets lopped off, you can will it to be there, and it is.
Or, for that matter, you can will an astral attack to pass through your
astral body with no visible effect, but the damage to your sense of self
remains.

>Clarification/Flames please?

Well, if you _really_ want flames, I suppose I could bitch about your .sig,
but (in this post, at least) it only made up a small fraction of the
message...

esper@***.umn.edu

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