From:	The Paladin <JWRIGHT@*****.VINU.EDU>
Subject:	Re: A word on Nega-Magic
Date:	Mon, 7 Nov 1994 14:50:57 EST

>> Research has shown that the nega-magician's powers are
>> manifested in a field that the nega-magician unconsciously
maintains
>> aroun himself at all times.
>
>OK, I can buy this, but I think it is WAY too munchkninous as it
stands.
>Giving them something like essence dice extra would be much more
appropriate
>sounding to me.
>
>> Within this field, NO form of MAGIC CAN EXIST.
>> Nega-Mages are completely immune to all forms of magic. This
>> means they can't be harmed by combat spells, fooled by illusion
>> spells, affected by manipulation or detected by detection spells.
>> The powers of paranormal animals similarly cannot affect them
>
>If the immunity (which is too good if you ask me) only exists
_inside_ the
>field, then how come things like illusions get cancelled? A physical
>illusion exists outside the field, and does things like play with light,
>nothing to do with personally effecting the nega-mage. And why don't
>damaging manipulation spells work? They damage by fire, or acid or
whatever,
>and sure, it's magically created, buit it isn't direct magic, it's
elemental
>in it's damage.

They are a bit powerful here. One in our group snatched up that
_Challenge_ the first few days it was out. We've figured LOGICAL
inferences for the negamage powers:
1) All damaging manipulations that create elemental forces affect the
nega.
2) Every time a magic weapon hits the nega, a resisted test occurs
between
the nega's magic and the force of the magic weapon. Stacked foci
resist
each stacking seperately(So that nifty force 3/9 power/weapon focus,
now
becomes a force 9 weapon focus.... ooops).
3) They are affected by physical illusions that play with the light.

(That is all going on the field of no magic here)
>Firepower writes:
>
>> Kage-kami; This might be just what ethe doctor ordered--I've
>> always wanted to have a character that one Hellblast level 10
>> wouldn't fry.
>
>But a level 10 Hellblast _is_ sposed to fry everything. How
believeable do

My most powerful mage got jumped by three of these guys in a
corperate hit
team(It's a long story, but needless to say, out GM hasn't concieved
of
subtlety in a loonnng time). They chased us onto the roof of our
building.
We were on one side, they the other. I lobbed the force 9 Hellblast,
throwing everything I had into it. I also BURNED my combat focus.
I blew off half of the top two floors. The negamages just fell down as
the
building disentigrated around them. After that, I realized what they
were
and used Spark. Fried one of 'em really nice. That is when we
bugged out.
I now hate the buggers with a passion.


>Phoenix writes:
>
>> I think someone came up with a workable way to have a Nega
Mage a while back.
>> It went something like this:
>
>Ahhhh. This sounds much better (and much less munchkinous to
boot).
>
>> 1)They are never considered to be a voluntary target for any spell.

>> 2)They have a "magic attribute", which is calculated the same as
for a mage
>> (essence rounded down, bioware effects it, etc)

>> 3)They have a "magic pool", calculated the same as for a normal
mage.

>> 4)When a spell is cast at them, the TN of the spell is increased by
a number
>> equal to the nega mage's "magic" attribute. The nega mage may
add dice from
>> his "magic pool" to the resistance test.
>
>This sounds alright, but I would've preferred "magic rating" in extra
dice
>with every incoming spell. Kinda like a Threat Rating in the fact that
it
>isn't a pool and never has to refresh. The addition to target numbers
would
>be something I'd be a little iffy about too, it quite literally makes the
>nega-mage immune to magic, rather than just very resistant, but it's
OK I
>guess.

Going about it this way, it makes it easier to relate to Shadowrun
mechanics.
I would think they get an automatic shielding equal to their magic
attribute,
and the 'shielding dice' count as automatic successes. However they
are
far less muchkinous that way.

Matt H.

How many Nega Mages do people have running around out their. If
magic is rare than a nege mage must be almost a legend. The
biggest problem I can see is that they become every day occurances
in the runs



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