| From: | Paul Jonathan Adam <Paul@********.DEMON.CO.UK> |
|---|---|
| Subject: | Re: Autofire |
| Date: | Sun, 16 Apr 1995 16:32:48 GMT |
> SR is designed to look realistic (like the movies) not to actually
> be realistic.
And with some tweaking does so very well...
> > An Ingram SuperMach SMG is capable of firing 15 rounds in one complex
> > action. If it does so, the damage goes up to 21D. Now, whereas light
> > pistol rounds will bounce off of average "street" armors (armor
jacket), 15
> > light pistol rounds have a force exceeding that of a Panther Assault Cannon.
> > And either A) all of them will hit. Or B) all of them will miss.
>
> I think you dont quite understand whant Full Auto means. Full Auto is not
> Supression fire, when firing in Full Auto mode you dont spray a whole area
> in the hope that you'll hit someone/something. In your example the horrendous
> damage code is justified by the fact that all 15 bullets hit - now dont
> tell me that 15 bullets (no matter what calliber) donr mean certain death.
Well, normally when we fired a GPMG (the FN-MAG 7.62mm, now the US M240 as
well...can't keep a good gun down) the idea was to fire bursts of five to ten
rounds and swing the sights slighly...you hit the target with three or four and
put the rest to either side. Now that's neither suppression nor "all or nothing"
and it was much easier to hit like that than firing the same number of single
shots (firing from an open bolt the GPMG is not as accurate as you'd like,
and your trigger control needs to be spot on)
And "15 bullets means death..." If I tread on your toe once it won't kill you.
So if I tread on it fifteen times it will? If the bullets are just mashing
themselves flat on your Kevlar, how are they killing you? The SR system isn't
usually too bad, but weapons like the SuperMach really show the holes.
As an example, look at weapons like the ILARCO 180 - a .22LR SMG. Almost no
recoil and wonderfully controllable, firing .22 bullets at 1200-1500 rounds
a minute - 20 or 30 a second - and you have an interesting weapon. But the
problem is that it's relatively ineffective against body armour (although that
can be an advantage - for instance, in a prison riot where the guards are
armoured and the cons aren't) If one round flattens on armour, twenty will,
and peripheral hits will be less lethal. So if a guard's weapon is taken, it's
less likely to be deadly to the other security.
> On the other hand what you describe is supression fire, the attacker
> sprays 15 rounds in the defenders direction and only a few if any
> hit - and that is reflected by the supression fire rules.
Unfortunately SR doesn't model the fact that a three-round burst with
controlled dispersion (a la G11) is intended to compensate for aiming error
by increasing the chance that one round will hit, not to triple the damage to
the target. And sadly, area suppression fire is rather ineffective - using an
assault rifle on targets wearing armour jackets means you might hit someone
with a 7M wound...they then resist with Body and Combat Pool, say 6 dice,
looking for four 2s. Nothing to be scared of, really, is it? On the other
hand, a ten-round burst into a confined space can for many characters be more
effective than aimed fire... And a Ingram SuperMach in each hand, firing
suppression into a one-metre target area... okay, 6L damage - with 30 dice.
--
When you have shot and killed a man, you have defined your attitude towards
him. You have offered a definite answer to a definite problem. For better or
for worse, you have acted decisively.
In fact, the next move is up to him.
Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk
