From:	The Digital Mage <mn3rge@****.AC.UK>
Subject:	Re: SV: Re: Trolls/Dermal Armor
Date:	Thu, 8 Jun 1995 18:25:35 +0100

On Thu, 8 Jun 1995, Gary Carroll wrote:

> >The Digital Mage replies:
> >Actually, against Hardened Armour APDS are useless (well almost),
> >they do *not* half armour, in fact their *power* is reduced
> >by half (I think). Check out the firearms against vehicles bit
> >in SR2 combat.
> >This is also the main reason why anyone would buy Gel armour and
> >use it on anything less than armour with Ballistics:6 (so they
> >can stop Light pistols, as well as HOs, dead). Have some guy
> >with a gel treated Armour Jacket (5/3 count as hardened) get
> >shot by someone with a Ares Pred II firing APDS (normally 9M
> >and halve armour). As the gel armour is hardened the APDS is
> >at half Power ie 5 (if the GM is generous and allows to round
> >up) this Power only equals and does not *exceed* the armour
> >jacket's 5 ballistics, and so the bullet just bounces off :)
>
> Well I don't think that is what they mean. I think what it
> is saying that APDS treats Hardened Armor as Normal armor
> with the power of the bullet halved.
Okay, so they do damage at a base of two TN, but it still means its
mighty effective against APDS, as only APDS would have its power halved
(normal rounds don't get their power halved against vehicles do they? At
least not in 2nd Ed)

> So your 9M APDS round would hit the Gel Armor 5/3 and would
> reduce the bullet to a measly 4M (it still penetrates because
> the base damage is greater the the balistics level of the
> Gel so now the 4M will not penetrate the Normal Armor
> so it is now 0M - doing blunt trama. (but now you have a section
> of the gel armor that is useless/destroyed...) (this is how
> it works IMHO)
It depends on whether you compare the Halved Power or the Standard Power
with the hardened rating to see whether the bullet does damage or not,
but like I said above, even if it does do damage having the power of the
shot halved is still very nice (as well as cancelling the half armour
bit).

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