From:	Guy Swartwood <gswartwo@*********.WICHITAKS.ATTGIS.COM>
Subject:	Re: Character creation (no, not another new system)
Date:	Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:56:00 PDT

>>Aurguments about Chargen system limits and such>>

>> Yes I completely agree that normal people can't raise strength
>> from say a 4 - 6 in less that 6 months but shadowrunners
>> are definately not normal. How many normal people attack
>> 6 foot tall wasps and survive or live through 4 or 5 bullet wounds.
>
> This argument is so lame. Shadowrunners are normal people. But
>their lifestyle is considerably more dangerous than others' and they
>have learned to cope. They are lucky, and the ones that remain alive
>long enough get good enough that they don't have to be quite so lucky
>anymore. But they're not Nietszche-esque Ubermensche. Just because I
>kill people for a living is not a reason to up my Intelligence from 1 to
>6 in two months.

Yet, you believe that you can in te rules? Game mechanic wise yes, but
if any gm gives you the amount of karma to raise your intellience from 1 to
6 in two months (game or real), it is the gm's fault for munchkins.

My view is that most gms give way to much karma. It reminded of my days of
AD&D, ok, killing that dragon raised you about 10 levels. You can augue that
you can do alot
of shadowrunning in two months (game time) to gain lots of karma. I say
bull. I have seen karma given for killing some go-gangers. The pcs had no
challenge what so ever, but they were given 1 to 2 karma. THen you wonder
why characters look like god in such short time. My idea is that good runs
takes a lot of preperation and research. Then you do the run, then you
recover from the run. That takes time. Therefore, I see no problem raising
skills or attributes, because by the time you *earn* 66 karma, it should
have taken a long time. Then by the time you max out all the stats and have
about every skill ever needed at a level comparable to an master, the
character should be out of the shadowrunner's prime and die off due to old
age, an accident, or enemies.

Guy Swartwood corporate decker by day, shadowrunner at night
wildman@******.net
gswartwo@*********.wichitaks.attgis.com