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From: Kelly Martin <kelly@*******.BLOOMINGTON.IN.US>
Subject: Re: Interesting Idea
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 00:55:37 EST5
"Georg" == Georg Greve <ggreve@*******.HANSE.DE> writes:

Georg> Yeah - but you all forget one important point: All non-shamans
Georg> don't believe in the existence of totems, because noone ever
Georg> saw one.

nonsense. even some hermetics believe in the existence of totems.
in fact, this is one of the Big Questions of debate amongst hermetics.
shamans, of course, don't pay any attention to that, they know what a
totem is and see no point in arguing over it.

i suspect that many tribals would at least believe in totems because
many of them are the "gods" of their civilization. i know that in
many native american cultures, Coyote is as close to a "god" as you
get.

Georg> So the concept that totems do not affect the real world
Georg> directly and that they never give prove of their existence is
Georg> important for the whole Shadowrun-world.

totems _rarely_ affect the real world directly. it is false that they
_never_ do. in _House of the Sun_, Nene (a Hawai'ian totem)
intercedes directly at the request of her shaman. while normally it
is the totem that sings and the shaman who responds, sometimes the
shaman sings.

besides, who are _you_ to tell a totem what it can and cannot do, neh?

Georg> There is no easy way to come to the totems, so the state he is
Georg> in at the moment IS a kind of vision quest - but it shouldn't
Georg> be noticeable for others.

because of the increase in the mana potential, it is easier for people
to come into contact with a totem in the awakened world. the
complicated and demanding rituals of the present day are simply not
needed in 2050.

k.
--
kelly martin <kelly@*******.bloomington.in.us>

I could tell by his slurred speech, the heavy glaze over his eyes,
and his inability to stand straight that he was under the influence
of a powerful narcotic. That, or he was a graduate student.

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