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From: "Sascha Pabst" <Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
Subject: Re: Killing in Shadowrun...
Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 10:49:46 +0100
At 0:06 Uhr 20.5.1996, TopCat wrote:
>Because you can't be formally on the payroll and attack another corp without
>starting a nasty war in a very public manner. You can, however, retain a
>group of shadowrunners to do work for you when needed and they can't be
>traced back to you, anyway.
Following your own argumentation, you can't. They'll be on another corps
payroll. (I disagree with the whole "Shadowrunners will bind themselves
to one corp" thingy, but with your argument, this will happen)

>You'e missed the point of my statement. I was speaking in regards to people
>using non-lethal means to accomplish a job as opposed to lethal means.
>Which translates to a lot of knocked out personnel who did see you and your
>team and will be able to describe them to their superiors or a lot of bodies
>that can't say a thing about you. I'm not talking about stealth missions
>vs. mad bombings. Even on the stealthiest of entries, you'll end up meeting
>someone somewhere sometime. If you choose to knock them out, then they'll
>know things about you. If you kill them, "dead men tell no tales".
Yeah, sure. People knocked out can always describe you. Things like
"...and the third guy had 'Topcat' on his nameplate, was about 1.89 m tall,
and a slight [insert place here] accent. His business card says he's
reachable at...". While going around shooting people will just tell
the corp what kind of weapon you are carring (with nonlethal weapons the
same, OK) and you are willing to inflict whatever damage you can.

>Of course it does. But there's also (c) current situations. If the corp
>feels like it needs a confidence booster and knows of a shadowrun team that
>managed to get some useless info from them, they'd probably do well to nail
>that team hard and fast. Why? Because it shows that even the slightest of
>attacks is met with brute force. Shareholders will be happy, stock will
>rise, and the corp draws the bottom line a little higher. If the corp
>doesn't need that confidence booster, then they will probably let them slide.
Yo, now THAT convinces me. Confidence. See what we did, we sent out a
team (which cost us just about [insert whatever you like]) and just TRASHED
four civilians, err, Shadowrunners, err, terrorists. See how strong we are?
They resisted being shot, that proves they are criminals. Do you like me
now? *sigh*

>If the info was worth anything, wouldn't you want to know who got it? I
>know I would. How do you find out? Trace the runners, bag as many as
>possible and try out the latest techniques of security advisor Torquemada.
>Then you can choose to kill them or let them live with the reps of runners
>who gave out their Johnson. Either way, they're out of your hair.
...and building up such a rep will ensure no runner will work for
you when you need 'em. Maybe some will even lower their prices AGAINST
you, since runners are people. Corps are not.

>No, but it does mean hunt. The runners may not even know that they are
>being hunted or even by who. It could be that other shadowrunner team
>across the bar. Or that gang of trolls hanging out at the corner. Or it
>could be your own fixer setting you up for a fall. All of those are
>deniable assets. The public probbaly won't even know those runners died,
>but the shadows will know that they did, why they did, and who did it.
...but you said "thrust in confidence" and "shareholder know", didn't
you?
In this same mail? Hello? Read what you write, will you?

Sascha

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