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From: Stephen Delear <shadow@***.com>
Subject: Re: Killing in Shadowrun...
Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 19:00:12 -0500 (CDT)
On Sat, 25 May 1996, TopCat wrote:

> At 04:33 PM 5/25/96 -0500, Stephan wrote:

> I think the Fairlight Excalibur is actually made by Fuchi (don't remember
> exactly where I read that but I seem to remember that from somewhere).

New one for me in my game Fairlight Inc is run by a bunch of deckers from
a secret facility somewhere in LA (Excaliburs arn't exactly hire
production items).

>
> >You have got to be kidding. First off where do you think to corps grow
> >there food. Look at a map of UCAS, notice that some of the major grain
> >and soy producing states are still in it. As for Renraku and Fuchi I'm
> >sure the feds would love the chance to nationalize said industries. And
> >before you say that the corps would fight back like me remind you that
> >UCAS has half a million men under arms, is the source of a large amount
> >of the worlds arms and has nukes that can reach Zurich orbital. Yes the
> >corps can give UCAS as hard time but they still can't hope to win in a
> >fight, besides why would they want to try buying politicos is so much easier.
>
> The UCAS screwed up their potential for nationalising when they lost the
> Shiawase case that led to extraterritoriality in the first place, Aztlan
> almost got butchered because they actually went through with it (but did so
> way before the right measures were put in place).

There is a very special kind of nationalization for extraterritorial entities
it's called an invasion.

> Renraku is actually a
> MAJOR force in the food production markets (check CFS). Who owns most farms
> today in the US? Corporations. They own TONS of farmland. The few piddly
> privately-owned farms don't produce anywhere near the volume of the
> corp-owned farms. I know quite a few people on both sides of the farming
> circle, from corp owners to farm families (you get to know these people
> living in Illinois and especially in the capital thereof). The big get
> bigger every year and the small get smaller. That's just the natural way of
> things. The corps grow their food where the family farmers grew theirs til
> they got bought out.

Tell me have you ever heard of the threat (T) Roosevelt used against the
coal mine owners in the early part of this century?

>
> The corps own the world in 2057, it'd take far less time for the corps to
> rain enough Thor-shots to bury the UCAS in ash than it would for the UCAS to
> arm their nuclear arsenal: which they don't really have anymore, nukes were
> banned worldwide and destroyed back in the early part of the 21st century.

And UCAS dosn't have it's own Thor-shot? Not to mention the nukes they keept
are no doubt on ballistic missile subs so dropping on UCAS insures
nothing except that Tokayo will recive a 20 megaton bomb the hard way.


> I'm sure they kept a couple of keepsakes, but if they were to use them, then
> every country in the world as well as every corp in the world would come
> down on them like the hand of an angry god.

And burying UCAS in thor-shot wouldn't? What I was refering to was a
reinstatement of the great ghost dance which most nations would consider the
equivalent to an impending nuclear attack.

> So I don't think the UCAS would
> have much, if anything to do with attacking any corp.

Hum nock out zurich orbital, destroy the corporate headquaters of each of
the big 8. Hope that they intercept the incoming thor-shot and generally
prepare for WWIII.

>
> -------------------------------------
> "I was thinking of the immortal words
> of Socrates, who said: I drank what?"
> -- Real Genius
> -------------------------------------
> TopCat at the bottom...
>
>
Stephen Delear

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