| From: | Stephen Delear <shadow@***.com> |
|---|---|
| Subject: | Re: Killing in Shadowrun... |
| Date: | Mon, 27 May 1996 02:05:33 -0500 (CDT) |
> It can't nationalise the telecomm network, they already lost their shot at
> ever nationalising any megacorporate asset when they lost the Shiawase
> decision. The UCAS shot it's own foot.
Why can't it? The equipment is within UCAS boarders isn't it? Send it
the troops capture the comunications centers, bring the system back
on-line and let the lawyers figure out if UCAS could legally do it.
>
> >> Nope. UCAS will cave in immediately. Fuchi cuts all power. There a fight
> >> now? Still no. UCAS concedes defeat.
> >Again UCAS nationalizes the resorces.
>
> Again, they can't, so it won't happen.
Again they send in the troops and we get to see if the Marines can take
out a corps sec force. I'm putting my money on the Marines.
>
> > Sure Fuchi could destroy its
> >plants but I don't think even a magacorp would take that big of a loss
> >(at least nationalized there's a chance of getting them back through
> >legal action).
>
> Why destroy? That'd be stupid, which corps aren't. Just shut them down for
> a little bit (about an hour at most should be the end of any threat) and
> then you're back in business, charging the UCAS government extra for the
> time that their people didn't have access to power and smiling all the way.
>
Because if they don't destroy the plants the UCAS military will "divest" them
of this particular asset rather they like it or not.
> > All vital national security instillations of course have
> >there own power supply. Yes this one can couse problems but if they
> >actually blow there plants then Fuchi will undoubtably see all it's
> >holdings in UCAS confiscated and it's top corporate personal prosecuted
> >(and I wouldn't be surprised if a few seal teams "extracted" some board
> >members from Fuchi's Japanesse headquarters, just before it's demolished
> >by bombs from a flight of stealth aircraft.
>
> You clearly have no idea how powerful corporations are in SR. Either that
> or you play a game where they are like they are in 1996. Now for more
> interesting bits of knowledge: who made those stealth aircraft for the
> UCAS? A corp. Now would they make something that could come back and hurt
> them? No, they aren't stupid.
Becouse UCAS is paying lots of $$$ for those weapons and unless the corp
dose something REALLY out of line those weapons arn't going to be used
against them. If they put a deliberate weak spot in the weaponry not
only would there reputation as an arms dealer be shot but I doubt the
other corps would take action when UCAS brought up espionage charges.
> Next, security for corp installations of
> comparable to that of military installations, at least in a 2057 campaign it
> is.
I would only say that holds true for a couple Aztechnology
installations. Most corps don't keep a battalion or two of LAVS let
alone enought weaponry to do any reall damage. Take a look at the
Seattle Metroplex Guard (SRII 272) sure a corp might be able to handle
them but you have to admit it would be one hell of a fight. Now keep in
mind that the Guard are about the bottom of the heap when it comes to
UCAS millitary assest, hell they arn't even part of the regular military
and have nothing near military grade equipment.
> Any act of war on any corp by any nation will lead to the corps
> dropping Thor-shots on that country's capital until the country realizes
> that it is really, totally screwed.
How much Thor-shot do the corps have? You think DC isn't prepared for
such an event (especially if they're on the brink of war with another
nation). And how do you think the other nations of the world would react
to the Thor-shot bombing of DC. They drop Thor-shot UCAS demolishes all
of the big 8's corporate HQ's with conventional weapons. It only
escalates from there.
>
> >> Aztechnology decides to back the NAN
> >> fully again. Oh my.
> >If NAN dosn't make any preperations to start it's war with UCAS again then
> >nothing happens. If they do then a preemptive nuclear strike destroys
> >much of Aztlan to prevent them giving magical aid to NAN. The moral of
> >this if you want to play with the big boys be prepared to pay the price.
>
> You've missed a great deal of SR info in assuming that a nuclear strike is
> possible. First, the NAN shut down a previous attempt at just that using
> magic.
We arn't talking about hitting NAN we're talking about hitting Aztlan
and taking out the power source for the ghost dance (what NAN would gain
from starting it again is beyond me though).
> Next, nuclear weapons are forbidden to own in 2057. Forbidden, as
> in breaking of treaty type of forbidden.
Oh a treaty I'm real scared. Besides if you only want a tac nuke there
are conventional weapons with equivalent power.
> Which means every company out
> there as well as every corp nails the UCAS hard and fast and before the
> first missile clears it's silo, the UCAS is ash.
Silo's are hard to hide, subs aren't. So you're going to launch an
attack on a nation that's just proved to be willing to drop the big
stuff. Lovely, just lovely I would rather take my chances with the
Thor-shot (which is not as uninterceptable as you seem to think).
>
> > Or maybe they start feeding troops to help CAS's
> >> cause.
> >CAS and UCAS arn't at war, CAS and Aztlan on the other hand. If UCAS ever
> >really wanted to ruin Aztechnologys day all they need to do is give CAS
> >military support in the retaking of Austin.
>
> You really haven't caught up on 2057. CAS and UCAS are currently on the
> brink of a major war. Aztlan has had problems with Texas before, but hasn't
> done much to the CAS aside from that. Texas still isn't sure if it wants to
> be CAS anyway.
So UCAS makes them an offer, we'll give you the weapons and air support
if you'll fight this piddly little country that only has an army of 150K
for us. Oh and you get to keep any land you take. Oh and quote me the
book a page you get that UCAS and CAS are on the brink of war from.
>
> >> Yikes. The countries of the world don't stand the beginnings of a
> >> chance against any corporate power out there.
> >
> >UCAS has the problem that it can't retaliate in small incriment when
> >fighting a corp it's an all or nothing proposition. The corps should
> >remember this when trying to figure just how far they can push UCAS.
>
> It can't retaliate at all in 2057 without losing every single thing it has.
> That's my point. Truth as the game sets it up, not my opinion.
Let's see UCAS: Fuck with us and find out what a real military can do.
Corps: Try it and we'll drop Thor-shot on your capitol!
UCAS: How much do you have? Well you might be able to get through DC's
defenses, if you do though every nation on earth will see the corporate
threat for what it really is.
Corps: So what we'll do the same thing to them.
UCAS: After we destroy the headquarters of each of the big 8 seems you'll
be a little distracted. Oh as we've been talking seal teams have
captured the chairmen of each of the big 8 corps. They'll be released
when you destroy your Thor-shot.
Corps: So what we'll drop it any way.
UCAS: Fine this conversation has been broadcast over live TV have fun
explaning your threats to your US shareholders.
Moral: Corps are big UCAS is bigger.
>
> -------------------------------------
> I was thinking of the immortal words
> of Socrates, who said: I drank what?"
> -- Real Genius
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> TopCat at the bottom...
>
>
Stephen
