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From: Robert Watkins <robertdw@*******.net.au>
Subject: Re: FAB
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 96 21:50:38 +1100
>I still haven't seen any rule that mentions this forced integration.

There is no mention of the situation in the rules (an oversight on FASA's
part, unfortunately). In the shadowtalk on FAB in the catalog section,
Magister mentions it, with no opposing commentry

>To counter your falling body situation, let's look at the FAB Net on the
>astral mage example [not again!] but instead of having the mage motionless
>on the ground, say he's a few inches above the ground. I'd say that the net
>is attracted by gravity (physical force) and is pulled by gravity towards
>the Earth. The FAB's aura comes into contact with the mage's aura (astral).
>Because of the attraction of gravity on the net, the net continues to
>descend (the aura of the FAB descends, dragging the mage's aura with it).
>When the mage's aura comes into contact with the Earth, the descent stops.

Nope... that's when the mage's aura starts to undergo forced
intersection. The descent doesn't stop until the net hits the ground. The
catch here is that the net has to hit more or less vertically, I think,
or the mage will slid out.

>Taking this example and applying it to the falling body scenario, the astral
>being is flying through a city when a mundane stockbroker jumps to his
>death. The aura of the mundane hits the astral being and the being is
>knocked down, falling towards the Earth. (Because the physical force of
>gravity is stonger than the astral force generated by flying).
Yep.

> During the
>fall, the astral being should tumble out of the way to stay at altitude, or
>the astral being would be pulled down by the descending aura of the jumper
>(which is tied to the physical body of the jumper) and collide with the
>Earth (non-magical) - when the being collides with the Earth, he will take
>no damage.

Um... nope. The mage gets hit. IF the force is perfectly aligned with the
direction of travel of the jumper, the mage will get pushed down in
front, then (when he hits the ground), the mage will slide out from
underneath. In the more likely case of the "impact" being slightly off
center, the mage will be pushed aside a bit, and down. In the even more
likely case of the direction of the jumper's travel changing slightly, as
the JUMPER tumbles, the mage will eventually slide out.

> What happens to the jumper? If the astral being tumbles out of
>the way, the jumper falls, hits the physical Earth, and takes damage. If
>the astral being stays with the jumper, the sudden stop a few feet from the
>Earth's surface will do the same amount of damage to him as actually hitting
>the Earth.

*sigh* THE JUMPER WOUILD NOT STOP!!!! Can't you get that through your
head? The jumper would go THROUGH the mage, forcing intersection,
assuming the mage didn't slide away. The astral body does NOT have the
ability to hold up the physical body.

Any deviation from the normal fall of the jumper would perforce be
minimal. The force generated by the interaction of auras is miniscule,
but it would be there.

>It's the whole "some physical forces are stronger than astral forces"
theory.

Physical forces vary in strength as it is. It's not the AMOUNT of
force... it's the nature of the force. An example: the strongest
naturally occuring force we know is the electo-strong force, which binds
atoms together. This force is used for atomic bombs, etal. The WEAKEST
is... gravity. 1 Newton of force is 1 Newton of force, but an atom is
held together by a lot more force than it generates in gravity. All I'm
saying is that while astral forces are there, they are produced in much
lower quantities by the interaction of auras than the gravitational
forces produced by the interaction of masses.



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