From:	"Ferri Pagano" <Ferri_Pagano_at_STRM__Amsterdam1@******.com>
Subject:	Re[2]: The Physical/Astral Affecting Debate
Date:	Mon, 09 Sep 96 11:41:59 EST

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-This is probably the last posting I'll do in this thread as frankly it's
getting a bit old and long winded.


%>Doesn't this imply that said mage should be able to lift the net's aura
%>thereby lifting the net??? and while you are at it, why not strangle
%>someone's aura and see their neck break [for real]? Or are we selectively
%>ignoring something, hhmm?

Robert wrote....

%Okay, look: There's a one-ton mass over there. Now, by applying force
%to it, I shold be able to move it, right? So I wander over, and try to
%lift it. In a microgee environment, I would be able to move it (though
%I, being far less massy, would be move further and faster). However,
%it's not in orbit. It's in my living room. I can't move it because the
%force my arms exert on the weight is so much lower than the force
%gravity exerts on it as to be laughable.

ok, let me explain something. your MASS has N O T H I N G to do with the
amount of force you can exert, only with the amount of force your body
exerts in a collision. More so if you stand on the ground [yes you can
do that while astral]

%Similarly: a trapped mage can try to lift the net's aura. But the force
%generated by the interactions of auras is so much weaker than the force
%generated by gravity acting on the net as to be ignored. And while you
%could try to strangle someone via their aura, it won't work because you
%can't exert anywhere near enough force to close their windpipe.
%Clearer?

nonononononono!. if that were true the net would PASS THROUGH the mage,
just as a steel mesh weighed down by a 10 ton weight would pass through
you [ripping you to shreds in the process]. Though the limited
interaction "model" would indeed disallow strangling.

picture this with an example: mage stands on ground, net falls on him.
if the net is ever to stop falling instead of going through the mage
then the interaction MUST be of sufficient force to keep the net from
falling. So why can't the mage lift the net? the interaction is surely
enough. What you might mean is that an astral being while "solid"in a
certain manner, cannot exert much force. This , while having nothing at
all to do with mass, is a more sustainable hypothesis.... well until you
consider spirit combat with an astral mage that starts pummeling
[astrally] the spirit, that is....either the astral cohesion of a body
is rather slim [in which case the fab net will probably kill the mage]
or astral beings can exert a reasonable amount of force [enough to
pummel]... the more I think about it, the more I think a mage should be
able to lift a fat-bac thingie or for that matter a normal living thing
[a cat, ...]. Well never mind, the more I think about it the more
problems I find with the whole idea. I better stop now before I convince
myself of abolishing the whole astral in my games :(
Ferri