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From: Faux Pas <fauxpas@******.net>
Subject: Re: sidebars & potty mouth
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:30:43 -0500
At 12:44 AM 9/9/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Faux Pas wrote:
>> And I've explained that you cannot take the sidebar comments as actual
>> rules. Find a rule that supports the forced integration theory.
>
>but you didn't give a good reason why not..

Yes I did. "It is not possible to pass through things that are alive, no
matter at what level, in astral space." It's the same rule I've been
quoting since this debate has started. Once again, it's from page 145 of
the SR2 rule book.

>> Oh, and let's talk about Magister's comments on page 84, shall we? He
>> contradicts himself and nobody catches! "One living spirit attempts to pass
>> through another."
>
>And this is where FASA tries to epxplain if oversimply what happens since
>according to tthe CS book is now possible..The attempted 2 auras in 1
>space situation..instead of a merge one is destroyed..

But you can't have two auras occupying the same space. Once again, see the
quote on page 145 that I've been repeatedly citing. If FASA wanted to have
what Magister says as a new rule for Shadowrun, they would have included it
in the GM Information section, or in Awakenings (the magical sourcebook that
came out after CorpSec.) Instead the FASA says that posters to Shadowland
can be lying or wrong. This is the same Magister that says Immortal Elves
don't exist in Threats, if you recall. He was lying there, he's wrong here.

>> ::getting pissed off mood on::
>
>Well get it off..THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE FUN or at least
>semi-intellegant..remember ??? And you may say/do something you will
>regret...
>
>> Fine, then quote me a fuckin' rule!
>
>>Such language..

Indeed, my apologies to anyone offended by the above vulgarity. I was
getting mad that I had to restate a basic rule from the Shadowrun main
rulebook for what seemed like the 20th time only to have someone who can't
back up his arguement with concrete evidence say: "*sigh* THE JUMPER WOUILD
[sic] NOT STOP!!!! Can't you get that through your head?" First he yells at
me, then he implies that I'm an idiot.

I've stated my reasoning why the jumper in question would stop at least
three times with cited source references to why the jumper would stop. The
person who said the above cites a source that isn't supported by any rule
that FASA has made regarding aural interaction and contradicts FASA's rules
for Shadowrun. I've asked everyone involved in the debate to quote rules
supporting thier side, several times. That poster cannot do so and refuses
to abandon his theory even though I've pointed out a rule that invalidates
the forced intersection of auras. So I became frustrated with him.

>Yes..you can in the core rules written in 1992 according to my
>softback..4 years ago..things have changed lots in 4 years..

And updated magical rules have appeared in Grimoire and Awakenings. Neither
of which touches or changes the rules I've cited from the main rule book.

If someone can quote the rules that say that forced intersection of auras
are possible and that the rule of two auras can't intersect doesn't apply,
then I'll say, "hey, you're right and I was wrong." It's that simple.


-Thomas Deeny
the Cartoonist at large is on the web at www2.cy-net.net/~fauxpas

"We were told to turn it down, stuff got broken, and everyone got naked. It
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