| From: | Robert Watkins <robertdw@*******.net.au> |
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| Subject: | Re: FAB |
| Date: | Tue, 10 Sep 96 17:06:01 +1100 |
>>part, unfortunately). In the shadowtalk on FAB in the catalog section,
>>Magister mentions it, with no opposing commentry
>
>And I've explained that you cannot take the sidebar comments as actual
>rules. Find a rule that supports the forced integration theory.
Find a rule which says the net floats in the air when it hits the mage's
aura, will you? Find a rule that says FAB is astral in nature. Like I
said, there is NO MENTION ANYWHERE in the rules about what happens.
>Oh, and let's talk about Magister's comments on page 84, shall we? He
>contradicts himself and nobody catches! "One living spirit attempts to pass
>through another." This says that one aura can pass through another aura.
>Then he goes and says "A mundane is not present in astral space, so there's
>nothing for a spirit to pass through." The mundane has an aura in astral
>space, and here Magister says that an aura can't pass through another aura.
Yep... an aura can't pass through another aura BY ITSELF. The astral mage
CAN NOT pass through the mundane. If it tries it is deflected, as the
next sentence (which you convienently left out) mentions. If the mundane
passes through the mage, the mage is deflected. ONLY IF THE MAGE CANNOT
BE DEFLECTED, does the forced intergration takes place. Why? Because the
force preventing the two auras from intergrating does not come near
equaling the force forcing the auras together. And only the astral mage
would be hurt, anyway, as can be seen by the handshaking example.
>>*sigh* THE JUMPER WOUILD NOT STOP!!!! Can't you get that through your
>>head? The jumper would go THROUGH the mage, forcing intersection,
>>assuming the mage didn't slide away. The astral body does NOT have the
>>ability to hold up the physical body.
>
>::getting pissed off mood on::
>
>Fine, then quote me a fuckin' rule! Can't you do that? You can't find one
>to support forced intersection of auras, can you? Yet I can find a rule
>that says forced integration can't happen. Shall I quote it again?
>Obviously I need to: "It is not possible to pass through things that are
>alive, no matter at what level, in astral space." If one aura cannot pass
>through another aura, how can the jumper's physical body continue through
>the astral mage?
>
>::getting pissed off mood off::
I'll leave mine on. How can the jumper's body pass through the mage? It
can't, of course. But the jumper DOES NOT stay in the air. The MAGE gets
forced aside. IF AND ONLY IF the mage can not get pushed aside, then the
jumper is FORCED through the mage, and the mage gets seriously screwed.
>Okay, the sidebar and in-text postings on Shadowland and the text in the
>sourcebooks aren't rules. It's called a "sourcebook" for a reason, it's a
>source for ideas. In the CorpSec book, FASA tells the reader that
>"individual gamemasters are the final judges of the accuracy of this [the
>core text] information." Similar quotes can be found in the introductions
>of other Shadowrun Sourcebooks. But for actual game rules, they are in the
>GM Information or Rules sections of the various sourcebooks.
Yep, I'm turning to the sourcebooks because NOWHERE does the rule
mentions what happens in this case.
>Robert, what you are basing your arguement on is supported by this in-game
>world text that FASA even says may be an exaggeration, a lie, a
>misunderstanding. What I am basing my arguement on is found on page 145 of
>the Shadowrun Second Edition rulebook. You or someone else posted something
>a day ago saying that even if something isn't mentioned in the rules, that
>doesn't mean it doesn't exist. That's true, but the facts I'm using in my
>arguement is supported by rules that have been written down in the Shadowrun
>2nd Edition main book.
Fine, find me a rule ANYWHERE that says that if a person falls onto an
astrally projecting mage, then the astral mage breaks the fall of the
person. And when you can't, face up to the inconsitencies in your
argument.
Yes, I'm falling back on the description of the activites. It's what _I_
decided to do to cover an inadequacy in the existing rules, and I only
ever do it when I can not get a framework for a decision within the rules.
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