From:	Stephen Delear <shadow@***.COM>
Subject:	Re: Conjuring
Date:	Fri, 6 Dec 1996 00:24:39 -0600

On Wed, 4 Dec 1996, Midn Daniel O Fredrikson wrote:

> > [snip probs]
> > >
> > >If you missed it, the original post that spawned the force 18 spirit, said
> > >calculate the magic rating as the sum of all the magic ratings of the
> > >participants...thus with a group of 6 mages (as the example suggested) you
> > >have a sum of (assuming they're good mages) 36, 1/2 that gives M stun,
> > >thus you have a force 18 spirit.
> > >
> > Oh, I see, but, that should read charisma then (what confused me
> > originally), which is what drain for conjuring is based on (isn't it? -- I
> > hope I'm not going crazy).
> >
> > In that case, scratch all that probability argument and I'll agree that this
> > is REALLY POWERFUL! and could easily get out of hand.
> >
> > --Sanction
> >
> I don't know what could be done with shamens, but for a mage, summoning at
> force 18 would require at conjuring library level 18, which is fairly
> rare. I also wouldn't be surprised if conjuring an elemental that size
> would require special materials for the ritual circle that would be
> difficult, dangerous and expensive to obtain. Yes, ritual conjuring could
> get insane, but you have to agree, (at least in many games) the amount of
> magic in shadowrun gets a big wild. Rearranging mountain tops,
> reforesting whole countrysides, ect. It is possible also that a conjuring
> that level would effect the astral regions to such an extent that it would
> allow other unnatural being from some of the higher metaplanes (read
> horrors) to slip in. So, conjuring an spirit this size would not be
> something that people do everyday. It is a monstrous undertaking and
> wouldn't be done except in extreme circumstances. Besides, runners really
> very rarely should be confronting magical forces for that caliber. If you
> attack Tir na nOg, you're dead, period. It doesn't matter if it is a
> spirit, a ritual spell, or a magically enhanced phy adept assassin.
> You're still dead. And that is more of the level of enemy I saw being
> able to conjuring these things on anything resembling a regular timetable.
>
Actually I run a magic heavy game the only non magic using member is the
rigger (based on the rigger from strange days). Then again I don't like
to do matrix runs and my group dosn't land in to many firefights. I
could see my players try to conjure up something that big just for shear
intimidation value (how do you get a mage to talk, have Cuthulu looking
over your shoulder).

SteveD