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From: Michael Broadwater <mbroadwa@*******.GLENAYRE.COM>
Subject: Re: Runner's Attitudes
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 15:04:13 -0500
At 03:25 PM 7/2/97 -0005, woneal@*******.NET wrote:

> Oh...and spending millions on hunting down the runners and killing
them
>will fix that problem? You seem to forget that in most cases runners are
>hired by another corp to steal something. If said item has already been
>delivered I see little percentage in spending so much cash just to kill
>the runners in a fit of petty vengeance. Here's a much better trick, hire
>those very same runners to steal the item back. Much more cost effective,
>plus it keeps the number of people who know about the theft to a minimum.
>And if you really want to be nasty about it, once they get the item back,
>then kill them. Much much more cost effective than some of the things
>you've proposed, which IIRC included calling in military assets! Your
>approach seems to be to hunt mosquitos with and elephant gun.
>
Hold it. In the long run, killing the shadowrunners that attacked and
stole whatever and cost you all that nuyen can be cost effective. Here's
why and why not, and maybe, this'll put things in a clearer light:

Problem: Runner's have cost you millions in nuyen because they broke into
your compound, stole something, and left.

Current Situation: Well, the items gone. Whoever hired them has it, and
has used it for their neferious purposes.

What do you do?

Well, you can let it slide, which would show that you're weak, and other
runners will be hired by other corps to steal more stuff. Of course,
you'll do the same to them.

Well, you don't want to look weak, so how do you solve that? Well, you up
your security, sure that'll help. But what else?

Lets look at this as if the corp in question was one of the big 8, since
that's what Bob has been mentioning, and occasionally, had ignored.
Admittedly, this situation works best with that kind of corp, and won't
work as well with a lower tier corp (but then, that makes it smarter to run
against them)

So, the Big 8 corp needs to fix it's problem. What does it do? Well, it
dumps money into security, like I said. Try to stop the problem before it
becomes one. Well, what else does it do?

First of all, if possible, you try to recover your lost money. Steal back
the item. Unfortunately, this could be difficult, and while you may regain
whatever was stolen, it may have become a moot point (if the US ever got a
new, say, Russian MiG, they'd return it. Of course, they may take a good
long look at it while it's here.)

So, the corp has new, improved security. That's great. But it's reactive,
and that still allows for runners to come in and break security and get out
and cause problems. Not as many will get through, and that's good, but
it'll still happen. Next option? Become proactive.

That's right, take the fight to the runners that tried to screw you. OK,
yeah, they're small, but they were good enough to cost you millions. So,
drop some more cash (yeah, that's another loss, but just spend enough to
kill them and let people know that it was you that did it).

Now what? Well, it goes around that the last people who ran across that
Big 8 got geeked, and so did the 4 teams before them. Sure 2 died inside,
and 3 got out, but once they were out, it wasn't over.

So now people don't want to run against you. Sure, they'll still work for
you, if you treat them right. But run against? Hell no.

What this all depends on, and what so many people writing on this thread
seem to miss, is that a corp will do this if it's cost effective and if
they have the resources to do it. It's what Paul would see Bob is saying
if Paul wasn't so pissed with him. And it's what Bob would see Paul is
saying if he'd stop being so sarcastic and trying to shoot down anyone who
minorly disagrees with him. I know Bob, I can see past the bullshit
because of that.

Out of curiousity, I'd like to conduct a poll. Just send the results to
me. if you agree with everything up to that last paragraph, tell me. I'm
curious to see if people agree with each other and just don't know/won't
admit to it.


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