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be appropriate for background use in Shadowrun games. Anyone else use music
with their games?
Some of the songs I thought of:
"Zoo Station", U2, Achtung Baby
"Tryin' To Throw Your Arms Around The World", U2, Achtung Baby
"Acrobat", U2, Achtung Baby
"Numb", U2, Zooropa
"Lemon", U2, Zooropa
"One Minute Warning", Passengers, Passengers: Original Soundtracks 1 (this
was featured on "Ghost in the Shell")
"Miss Sarajevo", Passengers, Passengers: Original Soundtracks 1
I haven't finished my list yet. Any other suggestions?
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You wrote:
> Sounds like a pretty good idea to me. Mention of Damaging Manipulations
> reminds me: the Grimmy says they've got to have Elemental effects
> (actually, it just says that they 'always' have them, even so...), and
> gives an explanation that is only a little more complicated than 'just
> because' :) What I'm wondering is the exact reasoning behind this (other
> than game balance). I would just like a basic reasoning behind why it is
> that, btb, you cannot create a mana-based DM. Or one that is simply
> physical.
Because manipulations don't damage things/people through their aura directly,
that is the exclusive domain (the definition, in fact) of Combat Spells. A
damaging manipulation causes damage not to the target, but by making something
which damages the target (a blast of fire, ice, sand, air, electricity,
whatever). It works through a medium.
losthalo
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> I was listening to some of my CDs and remarking how some of the tunes
would
> be appropriate for background use in Shadowrun games. Anyone else use
music
> with their games?
>
> Some of the songs I thought of:
>
> "Zoo Station", U2, Achtung Baby
> "Tryin' To Throw Your Arms Around The World", U2, Achtung Baby
> "Acrobat", U2, Achtung Baby
> "Numb", U2, Zooropa
> "Lemon", U2, Zooropa
> "One Minute Warning", Passengers, Passengers: Original Soundtracks 1
(this
> was featured on "Ghost in the Shell")
> "Miss Sarajevo", Passengers, Passengers: Original Soundtracks 1
>
> I haven't finished my list yet. Any other suggestions?
It might sound cheesy, but some of the songs from Billy Idol's
Cyberpunk are kinda apropriate <sp?>.
SilverFire
"I merely chewed in self-defense."
-Draco the Dragon
"Dragonheart"
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Dan Coffin wrote:
>
> I was listening to some of my CDs and remarking how some of the tunes would
> be appropriate for background use in Shadowrun games. Anyone else use music
> with their games?
>
> Some of the songs I thought of:
>
> <snip>
> I haven't finished my list yet. Any other suggestions?
"Pentagram", Cake, Motorcade of Generosity
good for scenes involving ritual sacrifice.
"The Distance", Cake, ?
Good song for a rigger chase scene.
"Strength Beyond Strength", Pantera, Far Beyond Driven
Good song for club or combat background music
"Devil Man", White Zombie, AstroCreep 2000
This entire album us good club/combat background music
"Spoon Man", Sound Garden, SuperUnknown
great if you have a fight scene involving spoons. :)
There are a few others I have rolling around in my head, but can't
remember the names of... one or two by Bad Religion, and another one
by Pantera...
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Ben Frech, A.K.A. Grill the shaman-who-hasn't-been-greeted-by-Bull :)
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Gurth wrote:
[snip]
> grade -- i.e. if you're a Grade 0 initiate casting Power Bolt at a
> troll
> with Body 10 and you're suffering from a Moderate wound, the Centering
> TN
> is 12.
Hrm? I thought minusing grade was first ed, not second ed? (At least
that is what my old (woot!) GM told me.) And if it is in second ed,
where???
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NightLife wrote:
> Aww sound like I bashed somebody's favorite SR book.
You know, Nightlife, it's looking more and more like you need a break
from the list. You are taking every oppourtunity to slam whoever you
feel like. (Myself included.)
I took my break, now it's your turn, kiddo. Come back after you loose
the holier than thou attitude.
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> From: Ben Frech <frech@***.COM>
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> Subject: Re: Music for Shadowrun
> Date: Saturday, July 12, 1997 12:14 AM
>
> Dan Coffin wrote:
> >
> > I was listening to some of my CDs and remarking how some of the tunes
would
> > be appropriate for background use in Shadowrun games. Anyone else use
music
> > with their games?
anything from the
Mortal Kombat soundtrack or More Kombat
and basicly any techno out there (Prodigy)
Zarcon
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There are several things in the Shadowrun 2ed firearms
system that should be examined, revised or tweaked as a
part of the 3rd edition rewrite. For the most part they would
not greatly change the play of the game but they would
eliminate confusion and the need for local changes (and
Shadowrn debates).
1) When describing firearms, provide separate designations
for damage, size, concealment and range table, rather then
the present hold-out, light and heavy pistol system. The
current system does not reflect the reality that the same
cartridge does about the same damage regardless of the
weapon it is fired from. That is a 44 Special inflicts about
the same damage where it is fired from a derringer (1 1/2
inch barrel), a large frame revolver (6 inch barrel) or a lever
action rifle (16+ inch barrel), however the effective range,
apparent recoil and the overall accuracy would vary greatly.
This type of disparity extends to weapons of the same class
and caliber. The MAC-10 and the U.S. Army's M1928A1
(Thompson) are a good example of this these submachine
guns fire the same cartridge, yet the range and accuracy
and apparent recoil vary greatly. The current system does
the current system acknowledge the fact that the same
cartridge can be used in several different types of weapons.
For example all of the following types of weapons are
currently available chambered for the 9mm Para cartridge,
hold-out (American Derringer Model 1), Pistol (Luger),
Machine Pistol (Mauser 1932 Schnellfeur), Submachine
Gun (HK MP-5) and sport rifle (Marlin 9mm Camp rifle). Nor
does it acknowledge that the same weapon design can be
chambered for a variety of cartridges, the Glock series
(9mm, 45 ACP), or Colts Gold Cup/ Government model
(9mm, 38 cal, and 45 ACP) for example.
My solution would be to assign damage codes to a
cartridge rather then the weapon. For example a code
would be assigned to the 10mm pistol cartridge, that
damage would be used with all weapons using 10mm
ammunition regardless of type. Range tables on the other
hand would be assigned to particular weapons, taking
chambering in to account (the performance of a particular
weapon design does vary depending on chambering). A
recoil rating would be assigned for each weapon rather then
by class. My suggestion is to create five classes (recoilless,
light, normal, heavy, and very heavy) and assign a
classification to each weapon. To determine the TN modifier
the rating would be cross-referenced with the PC's body
and strength on a table. While this would add a step during
character creation or when a PC gets a new weapon. It
does not require any changes be made in the existing
ranged combat system. It will not otherwise effect
complicate the play of the game yet it will provide a greater
degree of realism, provide for yet another difference
between PCs and would make for greater variation between
weapons.
2) The range tables need to be completely revised. The
present system gives the maximum range of a light
machine gun as 150 meters, the working range (i.e. rule of
thumb) that I was taught in the U.S. Army was 1000 meters
on a bipod and between 1200-1500 on a tripod. The ranges
for sniper and sporting rifles HMGs and MMGs are also
way out of whack. While they are being revised add an
additional range band or two beyond extreme, especially
for weapons chambered for rifle type cartridges. By doing
this sighting systems would become effective in a realistic
manner.
3. Ammunition weights are not at all realistic. The current
weights are inaccurate in three ways. First, they are too
heavy. Second there is no differentiation between the
weight of pistol and rifle ammunition. Lastly, within the
accuracy of weights used in SR II, there should be no
difference in weight between normal ball and any of the
special ammunition types. At the minimum a different
weight should be assigned to each general type (i.e. Pistol,
Assault Rifle, Rifle etc.) it would be better to assign a
weight to each cartridge type (i.e. 10mm, 5.56mm, .38 cal
etc.).
4. Provide new weapons that use caseless ammunition
rather then the conversion provided in Fields of Fire. I can
not conceive a weapons maker who would attempt to
convert a conventional cartridge weapon to caseless. The
would design a all new weapon that fills the same niche.
Oh, they may extensively rework an existing design, but the
result would effectively be a new weapon. The AR-10 to
AR-15 (XM-16) or the M-1 to M-14 are examples of
reworked or adapted weapons designs. Besides most 'blow
back' actions would not function at all without the case.
5. Replace the term 'flechette' as used in regards to the
Ares Viper with another term. The present usage creates
great confusion with existing multi-projectile flechette
ammunition for shotguns, grenade launchers and artillery
pieces. My suggestion is either use needler or sliver gun for
weapons using elongated projectiles of small diameter.
6. Delineate what weapons accessories can be used with
what. For example, can a telescopic sight be used with a
Smart Link System, getting the TN modifier for both? (I
don't think so) Can gas-vent systems be fitted on a mini-
gun (yes) a shotgun (also yes). Can a silencer be fitted on
a Shotgun (no) or mini-gun also (no).
7. Reevaluate the concealment ratings and weight data
provided for each weapon type. On weapons with folding or
telescoping stocks provide concealment ratings for both.
Clearly indicate whether weights given are for loaded or
unloaded weapons. Provide a modifier based on the size
and build of the PC to some detection rolls used with the
concealment rating. A 7 foot, 350 troll can conceal things
on this body that would be impossible on a 5.5 foot 125 lb
female human.
8. Provide dimensions for all the weapons. While for the
most part it would have little effect on the game. It would
provide GMs with a quick source of answers to the "can I
hide this weapon in this location" type question.
David Hinkley
dhinkley@***.org
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> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 19:07:42 -0400
> From: Steve Kenson <TalonMail@***.COM>
> Subject: SHADOWRUN, 3rd EDITION!
> Everyone should have heard by now the Shadowrun Card Game will be the big SR
> release of GEN-CON this year. What you may not of heard is the big GEN-CON
> release of NEXT year: SHADOWRUN, 3rd EDITION!
[SNIP]
> So... now you know why I need to know what people think needs to be fixed in
> the Shadowrun magic system, since it will be my main contribution to the new
> edition. If there are any other Shadowrun rules you think are broken, post
> them, and I will compile the information for when the time comes to make some
> decisions on the 3rd ed. rules. Only one caveat: this is a new edition, not a
> new game. The game rules will be cleaned up and clarified, broken rules will
> be fixed, but the game will remain Shadowrun. So, please, no suggestions
> about fixtures of the Shadowrun world, just the rules of the Shadowrun game.
It is about time that the rules for Shadowrun revised in
another edition. Enough new rules type material has been
printed in a variety of supplements and adventure modules
(many of which are now out of print) to make a new edition
defensible. In addition to specific rules changes that I will
discuss in other postings, there are several things that
FASA should keep in mind while doing this project.
1) Like the second edition, the new edition should include
an appendix with conversions for all the source books not
incorporated into the new rules.
2) The specialty rules contained in any source books
published between now and the 3rd edition should be
compatible with the new edition.
3) It should be well indexed. And if several other related
'basic' books (Grimore, Rigger Book, gear catalog or para-
normal animal book) are to be released at the same time or
soon after the new rules their index should be included
within the main index. This would make the entire rules set
easier to use. If for production reasons this is not possible
then include in each source book an index that includes the
basic rules and other 'basic' source books that have already
been printed.
4) It should include an appendix that summarizes the
changes between the systems.
5) Conversion recommendations for converting 2ed
characters to 3rd edition need to be included.
6.) Remember that not all Shadowrun gamers are lucky
enough to own or have access to the full set of Shadowrun
books. And that there was a lot of important materials
contained in the description and text of many of these out
of print books (i.e. Shadowtech, Shadowbeat) that is not
contained in the tables provided in books like Fields of Fire.
This information needs to become available. It might be
advisable to produce revised editions of these and other
similar out of books for those that do not have them and
put the changes in the conversion appendix. But if you do
this don't change the title or the contents. I hate being
forced into the purchase of a book for just a couple of
pages of new material!
David Hinkley
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What is BBB??
Somebody please tell me.
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next on my list.
Black Death
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This spell IMHO will be used more by people who are trying to save the
endangered species of the world. Which would explain why it was created
and provably what it was originally designed for (IMHO).
(AFTER THOUGHT)
What ever happened to Green Peace in 205* ??
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SPOILERS FOR TARGET UCAS!!! (Nothing about Granite, Fro, or Spikey
though...:))
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Ok, that's good...
Ok, I Just got the book tonight, and as I was playing SR, I didn;t get a
chance to really read through it, so this is just a couple quick comments...
Interesting way to clean up Bug City... They used a cultured Beta Version
of Strain III FAB, which destroyed the bugs, the ghouls, and pretty much
anything else magical in the zone. And it's still there, so Chicago's
pretty F'd up.
One interesting note... It was Strongley hinted at that some bugs survuved
the Strain III, and were made stronger for it, though no real hard rules
for this were given.
One interesting (and really cool) concepts was that in the process of
killing the Queens with the FAB, some of the Insect Spirits went free...
i.e., subject to all the rules for Free Spirits, though they'r still a Bug
at heart!
Wow, that is just truly hideous and foul... And gives me some GREAT ideas
for adapting some of the older bug modules (I'm currently running Queen
Euphoria, and plan to use some of United Brotherhood in the future...:))
My quotes were cool, though I only had 2, and for some reason I'm southern
and from New Orleans... But I can live with that...;] It was still cool
to be in the book... And they were kinda long quotes...:]:]
That's about it. Looks like a good book over all... I look forward to
reading the rest of it...;];]
Bull
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David Hinkley wrote:
This might be considered as a SPIOLER so
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> 1) When describing firearms, provide separate designations
> for damage, size, concealment and range table, rather then
> the present hold-out, light and heavy pistol system. The
> current system does not reflect the reality that the same
> cartridge does about the same damage regardless of the
> weapon it is fired from. That is a 44 Special inflicts about
> the same damage where it is fired from a derringer (1 1/2
> inch barrel), a large frame revolver (6 inch barrel) or a lever
> action rifle (16+ inch barrel), however the effective range,
> apparent recoil and the overall accuracy would vary greatly.
> This type of disparity extends to weapons of the same class
> and caliber. The MAC-10 and the U.S. Army's M1928A1
> (Thompson) are a good example of this these submachine
> guns fire the same cartridge, yet the range and accuracy
> and apparent recoil vary greatly. The current system does
> the current system acknowledge the fact that the same
> cartridge can be used in several different types of weapons.
> For example all of the following types of weapons are
> currently available chambered for the 9mm Para cartridge,
> hold-out (American Derringer Model 1), Pistol (Luger),
> Machine Pistol (Mauser 1932 Schnellfeur), Submachine
> Gun (HK MP-5) and sport rifle (Marlin 9mm Camp rifle). Nor
> does it acknowledge that the same weapon design can be
> chambered for a variety of cartridges, the Glock series
> (9mm, 45 ACP), or Colts Gold Cup/ Government model
> (9mm, 38 cal, and 45 ACP) for example.
>
> 2) The range tables need to be completely revised. The
> present system gives the maximum range of a light
> machine gun as 150 meters, the working range (i.e. rule of
> thumb) that I was taught in the U.S. Army was 1000 meters
> on a bipod and between 1200-1500 on a tripod. The ranges
> for sniper and sporting rifles HMGs and MMGs are also
> way out of whack. While they are being revised add an
> additional range band or two beyond extreme, especially
> for weapons chambered for rifle type cartridges. By doing
> this sighting systems would become effective in a realistic
> manner.
>
--
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next on my list.
Black Death
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David Hinkley wrote:
< snip >
> 1) When describing firearms, provide separate designations
> for damage, size, concealment and range table, rather then
> the present hold-out, light and heavy pistol system. The
> current system does not reflect the reality that the same
> cartridge does about the same damage regardless of the
> weapon it is fired from. That is a 44 Special inflicts about
> the same damage where it is fired from a derringer (1 1/2
> inch barrel), a large frame revolver (6 inch barrel) or a lever
> action rifle (16+ inch barrel), however the effective range,
> apparent recoil and the overall accuracy would vary greatly.
> This type of disparity extends to weapons of the same class
> and caliber. The MAC-10 and the U.S. Army's M1928A1
> (Thompson) are a good example of this these submachine
> guns fire the same cartridge, yet the range and accuracy
> and apparent recoil vary greatly. The current system does
> the current system acknowledge the fact that the same
> cartridge can be used in several different types of weapons.
> For example all of the following types of weapons are
> currently available chambered for the 9mm Para cartridge,
> hold-out (American Derringer Model 1), Pistol (Luger),
> Machine Pistol (Mauser 1932 Schnellfeur), Submachine
> Gun (HK MP-5) and sport rifle (Marlin 9mm Camp rifle). Nor
> does it acknowledge that the same weapon design can be
> chambered for a variety of cartridges, the Glock series
> (9mm, 45 ACP), or Colts Gold Cup/ Government model
> (9mm, 38 cal, and 45 ACP) for example.
I have a Camp 9 pretty decent if you can find clips for it that hold
more than four shots. Right now I have a 10 shot clip in mine and
looking
for some more to go with it.
>
> 2) The range tables need to be completely revised. The
> present system gives the maximum range of a light
> machine gun as 150 meters, the working range (i.e. rule of
> thumb) that I was taught in the U.S. Army was 1000 meters
> on a bipod and between 1200-1500 on a tripod. The ranges
> for sniper and sporting rifles HMGs and MMGs are also
> way out of whack. While they are being revised add an
> additional range band or two beyond extreme, especially
> for weapons chambered for rifle type cartridges. By doing
> this sighting systems would become effective in a realistic
> manner.
< snip >
I had a .357mag/.38special rifle. with scope. When I tried to hit a up
at about 250yrds with the .38spl, I had to aim about 1-2ft above the
cup.
When I tried it with the .357mag I only had to aim about .25-.75ft above
it.
(PS:: this is guess-ta-mating)
So your ammo does have some effect on your range.
BTW:: .357mag and .38spl are the same size, just one has more powder in
the casing.
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David Hinkley wrote:
< BIG SNIP >
PS:: I agree that it does need to be revized.
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Dvixen said on 22:17/11 Jul 97...
> > grade -- i.e. if you're a Grade 0 initiate casting Power Bolt at a
> > troll
> > with Body 10 and you're suffering from a Moderate wound, the Centering
> > TN
> > is 12.
>
> Hrm? I thought minusing grade was first ed, not second ed? (At least
> that is what my old (woot!) GM told me.) And if it is in second ed,
> where???
The Grimoire page 44: "Use the same target number for this Centering Test
as for the Magic Success Test, using all the penalties applicable to but
subtracting the magician's grade from the modified target number."
When centering for extra spells successes or against drain, this modifier
isn't mentioned, but for centering against penalties it's clearly in the
book.
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David Buehrer said on 14:03/11 Jul 97...
> | Hey, I wanted the PC to survive
> | (guess that doesn't make me much of an evil GM, does it? :)
>
> It depends on what you had planned for him afterwards. If during a
> later session he said, "I should have let the Mantis Queen eat me."
> then you're an Evil GM :)
He is in hospital now debating whether (if?) Lone Star (his employer) will
pay for a full cyberleg or only for some kind of clonal replacement... Not
to mention how he's going to pay for the hospital treatment, but since
he's got a job at a security firm I'll most likely assume he's got
insurance and only charge him a little bit. Which should raise some
eyebrows among the other players...
*remembers player in question is on this list* I think I'll make him wish
the mantis spirit killed him :) <EGMG>
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Mike Loseke said on 15:05/11 Jul 97...
> > Add the numbers together, so 4M2 becomes 6M and so on. Grenades are
>
> Cool, is this the listed formula, or does it just work out that way?
> I've never seen a formula for the conversion, but this sounds dead
> on right.
Check your SRII, page 283 under Updating Adventures. It doesn't work out
100% for all weapons (shotguns, for example, since their original 3M3-5M3
damage codes got changed to 8S-10S in SRII), but on the whole it's very
workable.
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Adam J said on 13:40/11 Jul 97...
> >* A kind of campaign diary, full searchable and with report funct... what?
> >I'm asking too much? :)
>
> Hrm.. wouldn't be all that hard, so Gurth, you can like, quit trying to
> rain on this parade, ok? :)
I have this feeling I'll be giving you a lot of help on how to put in
various features anyway... :)
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mARCiN sERkIES said on 22:41/11 Jul 97...
> How to convert damage codes from 1st edition to second???
It says somewhere in the Sourcebook Updates chapter in the back of SRII.
The simplest way is to add the Staging (the last number) to the Power
Level (the first number) to find the new Power Level. For example, 7M5
would become 12M. If oyu have a first edition Street Samurai Catalog, you
can find the SRII damage codes for all weapons in the Sourcebook Updates
as well.
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Spike said on 18:24/11 Jul 97...
> |For involuntary Geasa sure. But what if the magician voluntarily
> |takes a Geasa?
>
> The point is, why would he want to?
> (If it was for initiation, then that's then price he paid.....)
Physads can take a geasa on their powers; since they don't have to take
any when the lose Magic points (they lose powers instead) these are either
voluntary or subconscious geasa.
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mARCiN sERkIES said on 21:36/11 Jul 97...
> Hey... i`m back from my short trip with four books.... SR 2nd edition of
> course, Street Samurai Catalog, Seattle Sourcebook and scenario that i`ve
> heard that is not bad - Bottled Demon...
Bottled Demon isn't too bad, but it isn't all that great either. On the
whole I'd rate it as very average... (My favorite SR adventure is Elven
Fire, IMHO a lot better than Bottled Demon.)
> I`ve just flipped SR and i can`t find one thing - prices of normal
> grenades. I`ve found damage codes for them but price is only for flash ones...
Look at the bottom of page 256. There are two sets of equipment tables in
the book -- the one you were probably looking at (starting at page 278) is
the Street Samurai Catalog update; it has nearly all the gear of the SSC,
but with SRII stats, for those -- like me -- who own a first edition copy.
The actual SRII equipment table starts on page 254.
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Jonathan Hurley said on 13:40/11 Jul 97...
> I have never allowed combat spells to be cast at "a point in space." They
> must be targeting something, even an area-effect one. If you want a "point
> is space" blast, use a damaging manipulation.
That is irrelevant to this thread, isn't it? A DM can have penalties to
the TN that can be Centered against, just like any other spell,
area-effect or not.
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David Buehrer said on 13:50/11 Jul 97...
> | You mean for example a character who has Quickness 6 getting an extra
> | die for Unarmed Combat skill tests? This could be done, I guess, and it
> | would certainly be better than adding and Attribute to a skill and
> | dividing by 2.
>
> Now you've done it. You've gone and resurrected a "new rule" idea of
> mine. You could have let it die, but nooooooo. ;)
Now I'm even thinking on the same wavelength as David. I must be getting
senile... :)
> Hmm. And if you don't have a related skill all you would get would
> be the bonus dice, if any (instead of tracing through the skill
> web) with, say, a +1 modifier to the TN.
The only problem here is how do you attempt tasks for which you don't have
the skill _and_ the related Attribute isn't high enough to give bonus
dice? Unless of course you want to keep the skill web, but it looks to me
like the whole point of trying to incorporate Attributes into skill tests
is to do away with that.
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>You wrote:
>> Yeah, but since in SR anyone can pick up and use a heavy pistol, I don't
>> figure them as being _too_ powerful. My wife didn't like 9mm, but was
>> able to shoot it and .45 without difficulty: she had real trouble with
>> .357 and heavier rounds.
>I've had char's who refused to pack heavies (or even any firearm at all)
>because their player didn't figure they could handle shooting much. But not
>everyone is gifted with such characters. Ever ask a STR3 PC how they handle
>the kick from their Ares Predator? Do we *need* a rule to tell people 'hey,
>don't use this unless you have a STR of X.'? I didn't think so, but I may be
>outvoted in this. Some common sense is better than more rules.
Works fine for those who know their way around guns. I'm something of a
rarity in Britain, most people my age have never shot with a firearm:
and now you can rule out any real-world experience with handguns, which
have been banned her :(
If you've never done any pistol shooting, then on what can "common
sense" draw? In the movies, the world and his wife can rapid-fire a
Desert Eagle one-handed with no undue effort.
So, yeah, those who don't shoot need a little guidance on these matters.
>> Having fired a .44 Desert Eagle, I'd say it was neither readily
>> concealable, nor particularly well-suited to most shooters: at 6' 2" and
>> 160lb, I found it quite a handful.
>And where do you fall in the SR strength scale?
Call it a 4.
Remember the original Smith and Wesson .357 Magnum was marketed as only
suitable for the shooter of larger than average stature...
>> Wound ballistics is an extremely complex, and rather gruesome,
>> subject...
>Yeah, but some of us like that sort of thing in our games. Remember my
>fascination with good old-fashined gritty SR games in the cyberpunk flavor.
I know what you mean.
I like the feel of the SR system, because it works for how we like to
play our games: heavy pistols are dangerous even to armoured opponents,
SMGs and assault rifles are deadly but not _too_ deadly, and so on.
It's not realistic, but it's playable and it's readily adapted to the
cinematic, John Woo-style firefights we like (wish fulfilment and
fantasy, rather than gritty reality). I can see, though, why if you
wanted a down-and-dirty game you'd prefer something more realistic.
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>Okay guys, who wants Cyberpsychosis in SR ;)
Deep in the murky waters, the mighty vessel stirs...
"Sonar, new target, designate as Sierra-31! Target is deploying a
hazardous discussion thread!"
"Sound Action Stations. Weapons, load tubes one and three. Helm, turn to
three three zero, bring us to periscope depth, ahead one-thirds."
"Helm, course now three three zero, sixty feet, twelve knots and
slowing."
"Weapons, we have Carpfish loaded in tubes one and three."
"Sonar, we have a shooting solution on Sierra-31. Confirm deployment of
a cyberpsychosis thread."
"Up scope. Confirm Sierra-31 on bearing three three zero. Range... mark.
My God... he'll ask about grounding next." The captain shudders. "We
have to stop him, _now_! Weapons, solution set?"
"Weapons: tubes one and three preset, Carpfish ready in all regards."
"Flood tubes one and three. Down scope. Five degrees down-angle on the
bow planes. Ahead two-thirds." A quiet cacophony of confirmation as the
orders are carried out.
"Weapons, tubes one and three flooded, shutters open."
"Sonar, the target is beginning evasive action."
"Too late. Match bearings... Fire one. Fire three!"
"Weapons, one and three running normally and completing forerun. Both
weapons have the target and are in acquisition."
"Time to impact?"
"Any time... _now_!"
TTTTTTTT HH HH W WW W AAAA PPPPP !!!
TTTTTTTT HH HH W WW W A A PP PP !!!
TT HHHHHHHH W WW W AA AA PP PP !!!
TT HHHHHHHH W WWWW W AAAAAA PPPPP !!!
TT HH HH WWW W W AA AA PP
TT HH HH WW WW AA AA PP !!!
TT HH HH WW WW AA AA PP !!!
"Sonar, I confirm a weapon impact on Sierra-31!"
TTTTTTTT HH HH W WW W AAAA PPPPP !!!
TTTTTTTT HH HH W WW W A A PP PP !!!
TT HHHHHHHH W WW W AA AA PP PP !!!
TT HHHHHHHH W WWWW W AAAAAA PPPPP !!!
TT HH HH WWW W W AA AA PP
TT HH HH WW WW AA AA PP !!!
TT HH HH WW WW AA AA PP !!!
"Sonar, I have two weapon impacts on the target."
"Weapons. Two solid hits, both Carpfish got him dead centre."
"Monitor and report. Let's see if we killed that thread in time...
Reload tubes one and three, just in case. Secure from Action
Stations..."
The leviathan resumes its patrol.
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> "Pentagram", Cake, Motorcade of Generosity
> good for scenes involving ritual sacrifice.
Rock and Roll lifestyle by Cake is always good for any posers the group
runs into.
> "Spoon Man", Sound Garden, SuperUnknown
> great if you have a fight scene involving spoons. :)
And this happens so often too! ;-)
New tunes for my ever growing list -
Mirrorshades - Information Society
Sex Packets - Digital Underground
Humpty Dance - DU (For those goofy clubs!)
El Matador - Los Fabulosos Cadillacs (Actually, pretty much everything from
the Grosse Pointe Blank soundtrack is good!)
Blitzkreig Bop - The Ramones
Anything by ABBA - Again for club scenes
Steven A. Tinner
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| > Hmmm...well Mike I would probably say that the target the spell is
centered
| > on id=s the target number I would use. The peanties will be accross
the
| > board anyway, but the main target of the spell is that one person after
| > all.
|
| If you think about this a bit more, it's possible to cast a spell
centered
| on a point in space, not on any specific person. Also, some targets in
the
| area of effect may have different penalties (when one is in a cloud of
| smoke while the rest aren't, for example).
Wouldn't there have to be something there with an aura? Even if it's just
a chair or a marble that the sammie tossed? Unless it's a DM I would say
that there has to be some targetmore precis then just "over there."
-Caric
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<snip the irrelevent bits>
| > True, but for an area effect combat spell, there are multiple TNs
| > involved, one for each target. Which one is used?
|
| The trouble with this situation is that the spell has multiple TNs
(namely
| one for each target in range), while the Centering test should probably
| have only one. I'd do this by rolling the Centering test and comparing it
| to the TN for each target, then noting the successes rolled. The
penalties
| for each target are then reduced by one-half the successes against that
| target.
This forced me to ponder (no easy task at 6AM on a Saturday) the exact
functioning of area effect spells. If I understand correctly you toss the
spell at a target and if it grounds out from him it hits anyone else in the
area of effect, but only if you can see them. Yet if the spell doesn't
ground throught the original target then it doesn't go off. If you have to
target the auras of all the targets why wouldn't the spell try to hit them
all regardless, and if you have to just hit the one target why would you
have to see the other targets? Now if the caster does not need to see the
other targets (I just checked the BBB and didn't find anything that said
one way or the other, but I just read the little blurb about area of effect
spells in the "spells" section) then why would vision and other situational
modifiers ,other than cover, effect the target numbers to damage them?
This would make more sense to me, and then the centering question would be
a moot point.
If someone knows where AOF spells are explained in better detail, please
let me know.
-Caric
"If a man talks in the forest, and there isn't a woman around to hear him,
is he still wrong?"
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| Anyway, if Sasquatch are sentient their probably using the second
| type with some bizarre ass modifiers (could be based on time, mood,
| magical perceptions, etc), and linguists can't crack it because they
| don't know the controlling algorithm. Its theorized that the same
| problem would occur if whales were sentient. It's allready proven
| that whale song changes from season to season (but their not sure if
| its actually changing because of the season).
It probab;y just changes from "damn it's cold" to "damn it's hot." :)
-Caric
"If a man talks in the forest, and there isn't a woman around to hear him,
is he still wrong?"
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| |Um, Spike? not to be rude....but I think you missed the beggining of
| |this thread where Steve Kenson was talking about MAKING geasa work
| |differently for SR3.
|
| I did skip a little, but the point still stands.
| Geasa should NOT give bonuses for ANY reason, ever......
I'm with Spike on this one...and BTW Spikey I picked up Target:UCAS
yesterday at Hexicon for a song. If you are nice I might be persuaded to
tell you what you said if you are still dying to find out.
Muahahahahaha!!!!!
-Caric
"If a man talks in the forest, and there isn't a woman around to hear him,
is he still wrong?"
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| <snip spell listing>
|
| You guys are REALLY sick, you know that!?!
| Loved Rejuvinate and Solar Flare, but LUGEE BLAST?!?!?
| EEEUUUUUUWWWW!!!!!!!!!
| I feel slimy just thinking about it!
One does ones best. ;)
| 'Egon, your mucus.'
| --Peter Venkman, Ghostbusters
I'll let Rookie know you like Lugee Blast I think he only got to cast it
once or twice...he's knid of odd that way though...It was a standing joke
for along time when I introduced him to anyone "...and this is Rookie, be
careful he spits..." which if you have seen Aladdin...ahhh forget it, if I
have to explaint the joke then well life's not worth living. :)
-Caric
"If a man talks in the forest, and there isn't a woman around to hear him,
is he still wrong?"
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| > Oh no I understood that...of course it is rude...I wouldn't put it
anywhere
| > near the act of rape as it is completely non-violent,
| Define violence as you will, but I generally define it as someone doing
what
| they want to with my body without my permission. This counts... It's
not
| putting someone to sleep to avoid killing them, it's an invasion of
privacy and
| humiliating.
So are control thoughts, emotions, and pretty much any other mind control
spell. I would certainly rather have an orgasm then have someone traipsing
through my mind ala Mind Probe.
| but of all the spells
| > you could cast on someone it's hardly the worst. Would you rather have
an
| > orgasm and get tired or burn to death as your head explodes?
|
| That really isn't the point. 'Would you rather be raped or murdered?'
isn't a
| fair choice, neither is something you should do to someone, eh? Some
people
| view sex pretty seriously, and this would be an extreme violation, doing
it to
| someone against their will (as opposed to voluntarily, which is an
original and
| interesting idea :) is the equivalent of taking control of their most
personal
| thoughts and desires. Not nice.
Actuall "would you rather be raped or mudered?" Has been answered by
several people I know with the later quite seriously. It's not making
anyone have sex with someone else as a controlling manipulation would, and
it in know way takes control of any thoughts or desires...I can't see it
being all that different from making someone wet their pants. It's a
bodily function and one that happens to feel good.
| To those who think I'm taking this too seriously, well, *shrug*
I really think that you are, this is SR that we are talking about and there
are going to be millions of things runners are going to do that will me not
so nice. An orgasm isn't even on the same scale as most of things i've
seen runners do...but to each his own I suppose.
-Caric
"If a man talks in the forest, and there isn't a woman around to hear him,
is he still wrong?"
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> I was listening to some of my CDs and remarking how some of the tunes would
> be appropriate for background use in Shadowrun games. Anyone else use music
> with their games?
>
> Some of the songs I thought of:
>
> "Zoo Station", U2, Achtung Baby
> "Tryin' To Throw Your Arms Around The World", U2, Achtung Baby
> "Acrobat", U2, Achtung Baby
> "Numb", U2, Zooropa
> "Lemon", U2, Zooropa
> "One Minute Warning", Passengers, Passengers: Original Soundtracks 1 (this
> was featured on "Ghost in the Shell")
> "Miss Sarajevo", Passengers, Passengers: Original Soundtracks 1
>
> I haven't finished my list yet. Any other suggestions?
Well guess it all depends on what kinda music you like ... We usually
listen to alot of techy background music or if that failes we listen
to groups like"Sisters of Mercy" and "The Mission" ... That usually
gets everybody in a dark future mode.
/Stefan
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Subject: Re: Centering vs Penalties (was Re: [SR3] Spell Rituals)
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97 06:56:08 am
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|Wouldn't there have to be something there with an aura? Even if it's just
|a chair or a marble that the sammie tossed? Unless it's a DM I would say
|that there has to be some targetmore precis then just "over there."
There's always SOMETHING....
How about a floor tile?
--
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|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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|GCv3.1 GCS/EL>$ d---(dpu) s+/- a- C++ U N++ o+ K- w-- M+/++ PS+++ PE- Y t+ |
|5++ X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! :( |
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Jaymz wrote:
> How do you tell if a book is the first printing?
Now are you talking first PRINTING or Publication.
For example, Shadowrun was copyrighted in 1989, but most of the SR books
that came out in October of that year were "Corrected Third Printing"
This can be found on the Credits page. (5th in the book).
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Subject: Re: [SR3] Fetish & Exclusive Spells (suggestions)
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|I'm with Spike on this one...and BTW Spikey I picked up Target:UCAS
|yesterday at Hexicon for a song. If you are nice I might be persuaded to
|tell you what you said if you are still dying to find out.
|
|Muahahahahaha!!!!!
I've had one snippet already...
I'm slightly peeved that he decided to give me an american accent....
--
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|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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|5++ X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! :( |
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:01:38 -0700
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> This forced me to ponder (no easy task at 6AM on a Saturday) the exact
> functioning of area effect spells. If I understand correctly you toss the
> spell at a target and if it grounds out from him it hits anyone else in the
> area of effect, but only if you can see them. Yet if the spell doesn't
> ground throught the original target then it doesn't go off. If you have to
> target the auras of all the targets why wouldn't the spell try to hit them
> all regardless, and if you have to just hit the one target why would you
> have to see the other targets? Now if the caster does not need to see the
> other targets (I just checked the BBB and didn't find anything that said
> one way or the other, but I just read the little blurb about area of effect
> spells in the "spells" section) then why would vision and other situational
> modifiers ,other than cover, effect the target numbers to damage them?
> This would make more sense to me, and then the centering question would be
> a moot point.
I don't see much of a reason that visual modifiers should affect
spellcasting at all: the mage 'glances' into the Astral, where things
like smoke and glare don't exist, and locks the spell to the target. If
he can see it, he can it (and if he can see a part of it, he can hit it
just as well: it's all one aura.)
As far as area effect spells, I've never liked the explanation for them,
but it seems to me that it spreads in the Astral first, covering (x)
area, and then grounds, individually, through each aura (target) in the
area. Of course, I'm not big on the Astral having a 1:1 correspondence
with 'reality', but that's just me.
I /really/ disagree with the 'mirror as targeting scope' since it's an
image of the target, but not hte actual aura of the target. Equivalent
to seeing someone's picture on a computer monitor, though less tech
involved.
And yes, I disagree with the 'LOS through fiberop' thread begun with the
CorpSec Handbook, but that's mostly because I don't see being able to
see through a FO line without some assistance from electronics.
-Matt
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| > How do you tell if a book is the first printing?
| >
| > The game store here has a used copy of SR I and claims it to be first
| > printing and there doesn't seem to be any kind of print code in it.
| >
| > How do you tell?
|
| My SR1 book has something like "Corrected fifth printing" somewhere near
| the copyright warning inside, so I guess that's a way to tell.
So the advantage of getting the first printing is that you get ALL the
mistakes right? :)
-Caric
"If a man talks in the forest, and there isn't a woman around to hear him,
is he still wrong?"
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 07:21:17 -0700
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| > Entymologist... bugging... juicy. You are twisted :) (or maybe it's
| > me)
|
| Heh. I didn't even catch that. I'm so punny. ;)
The bug is the obvious choice...I would make the Entymologist a perfectly
normal scientist who just acts really buggy. Cries if there is a squashed
bug and such. :)
| > I let my players create their own contacts (with approval from me).
|
| If only they all had that much motivation. ;) I create the actual
| contacts, but they create their history with them. Thus, they decide how
| they met, etc.
Dangerous, very dangerous. Make 'em hang themselves eh? ;)
-Caric
"If a man talks in the forest, and there isn't a woman around to hear him,
is he still wrong?"
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Gurth wrote:
| That's something I learned long ago, if only because it slows down combat
| immensely if the PCs aren't involved in it. I still roll dice if, say, an
| NPC on the players' team shoots an enemy NPC, but for fights in which the
| players aren't involved I don't roll much, or even at all. Just one or
two
| dice throws (more if I need to make the players think I'm rolling for it
| normally), or none at all.
| I even did this for a fight between a PC and a mantis spirit. We'd
| stopped the last session just before the fight, and went on there. In the
| meantime I'd decided the PC would get killed if we handled this as a
| straight BTB fight, so we turned to a more cinematic style; no initiative
| rolls, mostly descriptions of actions and what was going on, plus the
| occasional attack test for either side. Hey, I wanted the PC to survive
| (guess that doesn't make me much of an evil GM, does it? :)
I guess that depends on if you left him alive so that you could rip his arm
of with an elevator later or not.
<g>
-Caric
"If a man talks in the forest, and there isn't a woman around to hear him,
is he still wrong?"
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Dan Coffin wrote:
>Anyone else use music with their games?
Just had all the PC go to Tir na nOg, The Cranberries,The Cheiftains,
and Enya seem to play in the background alot.
The Crow sound track usualy comes up in combat.
For dark and sinsiter clubs I like Faith No More's "Angel Dust" CD.
And ironicaly Queen, "Another one Bites The dust."... just listen to the
words for a second or two. And actualy I've found the "not-so-techno"
songs have a great effect. Black Sabath's "Iron Man", Bon Jovi's "Dead
or Alive" and "Blaze of Glory". "Cancion Del Mariachi" off the
Desperado
Sound Track often livens up the group. And don't rule out the clasics,
Beethoven's Piano Sonata No. 14 in C-sharp minor, and Symphony No. 9 in
D minor. The "Toccata and Fugue" seem to just show up, it's one of those
variable songs, and don't forget "Vesti La Giubba" for Those Mafia Don
Sceans.
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From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: What is BBB??
On Sat, 12 Jul 1997 01:59:43 -0500 Black Death <ddmaster@**.NET> writes:
>What is BBB??
>
>Somebody please tell me.
BBB (in this context, anyway) means "Big Black Book", as in the SR2 core
rules manual.
--
-Canthros
I had rather believe all the fables in the legends and the Talmud
and the Alcoran, than that this universal frame is without a mind.
--Francis Bacon
http://members.aol.com/canthros1
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Subject: Re: T'skrang = Sleestaks
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| > Basically every one that's been mentioned so far. Plus, the original
| > Scooby Doo, Captain Caveman, Bullwinkle... And then the Smurfs came
| > along and it went downhill from their. Only recently have cartoons
| > made a comeback with Reboot, Alladin, Superman, Batman, Darkwing
| > Duck, and others.
|
| David, please, how can you forget THE TICK?
|
| For god's sake man....
|
|
| SPOON!
I am anxiously awaiting the arrival of the "Little Wooden Boy" action
figure. :)
-Caric
"If a man talks in the forest, and there isn't a woman around to hear him,
is he still wrong?"
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David spewed:
| An animated version of Spawn is now on HBO. It's somewhat ok, I think HBO
| is trying a little too hard to be hip. BTW, has anyone seen the trailer
for
| the live action Spawn, coming out in Aug? It looks like it may be pure
eye
| candy, but wow! The trailer got my attention, even at my jaded age.
Yes I saw it at Batman & Robin I think...looks very well done effects wise.
I hope the story holds up.
-Caric
"If a man talks in the forest, and there isn't a woman around to hear him,
is he still wrong?"
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| I was listening to some of my CDs and remarking how some of the tunes
would
| be appropriate for background use in Shadowrun games. Anyone else use
music
| with their games?
|
| Some of the songs I thought of:
|
| "Zoo Station", U2, Achtung Baby
| "Tryin' To Throw Your Arms Around The World", U2, Achtung Baby
| "Acrobat", U2, Achtung Baby
| "Numb", U2, Zooropa
| "Lemon", U2, Zooropa
| "One Minute Warning", Passengers, Passengers: Original Soundtracks 1
(this
| was featured on "Ghost in the Shell")
| "Miss Sarajevo", Passengers, Passengers: Original Soundtracks 1
|
| I haven't finished my list yet. Any other suggestions?
Queensryche...'nuff said.
:)
-Caric
"If a man talks in the forest, and there isn't a woman around to hear him,
is he still wrong?"
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Raven wrote:
| > > > How to convert damage codes from 1st edition to second???
| > >
| > > Add the numbers together, so 4M2 becomes 6M and so on. Grenades are
| >
| > Cool, is this the listed formula, or does it just work out that way?
| > I've never seen a formula for the conversion, but this sounds dead
| > on right.
|
| I read it somewhere, don't know where, but I think its in the BBB
| somwhere.
Well <opening his brand new second edition soft cover that he got at
Hexicon for 9 bucks to replace his thrashed hardback> on page 283 of the
BBB it says "...add the first edition staging value to the power rating to
determine the second edition power rating. Note that this method is not
wholly acurate and gamemasters should be prepared to adjust the values when
needed."
So Raven we dead on, but I thought that last little bit was important.
-Caric
"If a man talks in the forest, and there isn't a woman around to hear him,
is he still wrong?"
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Fetish & Exclusive Spells (suggestions)
In a message dated 97-07-11 00:46:04 EDT, u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK (Spike)
writes:
>
> Errrr.....
>
> NO! Geasa are NOT like that! No-one should EVER gain a bonus of any kind
> from
> using a geas. (They get PENALTIES for NOT using them....)
WRONG!!! Check out the rules for creating Geasa for Physical Adepts. If an
Adept decides to limit how a power or his magic in general works, he gets a
+25% to his magic point total. These geasa are NOT things that can be
removed by initiation. Awakenings and Grimoire both have details on this. I
suggest you reread things. There ARE bonuses guy.
And as for specific bonuses during Conditions, check out the Druids, the
Elven Paths, the Wiccan, etcetera, etcetera...all that I have done is given
some suggestions for using those things to one's benefit.
>
> As for the power foci thing..... Eh?
> Power foci add to MAGIC and MAGIC POOL. They DO NOT lower drain codes....
> (Or are you talking about sacrificing force points from them? If so, it's
a
> bit expensive, innit?)
No Again, basically a given foci is being used as a "Talismanic Geasa" to a
particular spell. "I can't throw this spell without -THIS- particular
object, AT ALL." It may seem strange, but it can be done and can even be
done within the mechanics of the SR system. AND it can be done and maintain
the magical balance. Actually, it even helps to keep the balance.
-K
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| > All of this went quickly, and made a hell of an impression on the
| > PCs. But would you believe that one of them decided to take on the
| > troll anyway? At that point I pulled out the dice and proceeded to
| > wail on the PC (somehow she still lived through it <GM sigh>).
| Well, how foolish this was depends on specifics. How important was it
for her
| to take out said Troll? More importantly, Pain Editor or no, I would
expect
| someone who has lost an arm to keel over in a minute or two from blood
loss if
| nothing else, the Pain editor doesn't stop blood loss... And his
performance,
| regardless of the Pain Editor should suffer (loss of balance and the
like, not
| to mention the blood gushing out of his arm).
A minute or two in combat when you are full of who knows what drugs is an
eternity. I've seen footage of a guy who was being arrested by FBI I think
it was, who was fatally wounded with the first shot that hit him, but he
killed twelve agents before he finally went down. Later testing showed
absolutely no drugs in his system. As for the pain editor issue...if it is
physical damage he still suffers the modifier. He may not feel the pain,
but the fact that the arm is gone would still give him the wound modifier.
-Caric
"If a man talks in the forest, and there isn't a woman around to hear him,
is he still wrong?"
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 11:30:35 -0400
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Magical Magic
In a message dated 97-07-11 01:08:01 EDT, dbuehrer@****.ORG (David Buehrer)
writes:
>
> That's why we post ideas to the list, to have them shot down in flames :)
>
> (See the responses to my post on linking skills to attributes :):)
>
> I don't know about the rest of you, but I've learned an awful lot from
> being wrong.
>
>
Oh yeah, I've learned tons ... including how to still not to do it right from
time to time... (sigh)
-K
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 11:33:33 -0400
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Subject: Re: [SR3] Spell Rituals
Comments: To: M.J.Steedman@***.rgu.ac.uk
In a message dated 97-07-11 01:52:12 EDT, M.J.Steedman@***.rgu.ac.uk (Mark
Steedman) writes:
<snipped suggestions for "taking your time spellcasting"
> >
> On this how many people have seen the 'gathering magic rules'?
> Shadowlore 1 i think if memory serves which give something like this
> though the method of achieving it is quite different.
>
> Mark
I haven't, but then I also haven't found/read the RN archives yet either...if
such exist...
-K
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Grill responded:
| > I was listening to some of my CDs and remarking how some of the tunes
would
| > be appropriate for background use in Shadowrun games. Anyone else use
music
| > with their games?
| >
| > Some of the songs I thought of:
| >
| > <snip>
| > I haven't finished my list yet. Any other suggestions?
|
| "Pentagram", Cake, Motorcade of Generosity
| good for scenes involving ritual sacrifice.
| "The Distance", Cake, ?
| Good song for a rigger chase scene.
| "Strength Beyond Strength", Pantera, Far Beyond Driven
| Good song for club or combat background music
| "Devil Man", White Zombie, AstroCreep 2000
| This entire album us good club/combat background music
| "Spoon Man", Sound Garden, SuperUnknown
| great if you have a fight scene involving spoons. :)
?!?!?!?!?!? I like you already. <sound of spoons being sharpened>
| Ben Frech, A.K.A. Grill the shaman-who-hasn't-been-greeted-by-Bull :)
Caric-the-proud-to-see-another-shaman-using-the-patented-shaman/ork
decker-.sig-style
:)
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 08:23:30 -0700
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Dvixen responded:
| [snip]
| > grade -- i.e. if you're a Grade 0 initiate casting Power Bolt at a
| > troll
| > with Body 10 and you're suffering from a Moderate wound, the Centering
| > TN
| > is 12.
|
| Hrm? I thought minusing grade was first ed, not second ed? (At least
| that is what my old (woot!) GM told me.) And if it is in second ed,
| where???
Is this the same GM that you had less than a stellar opinion of?
grimthingy; p. 44; left column; second paragraph "Use the same target
number for this centering test as for the magic success test, using all the
penalties applicable but subtracting the magician's grade from the modified
target number."
Sorry D but you've been shafted. :)
-Caric
"If a man talks in the forest, and there isn't a woman around to hear him,
is he still wrong?"
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 16:35:37 +0100
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From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Fetish & Exclusive Spells (suggestions)
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|In a message dated 97-07-11 00:46:04 EDT, u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK (Spike)
|writes:
|
|>
|> Errrr.....
|>
|> NO! Geasa are NOT like that! No-one should EVER gain a bonus of any kind
|> from
|> using a geas. (They get PENALTIES for NOT using them....)
|
|WRONG!!!
Nope. Not wrong! Thayt was taken totally out of context and you know it!
Since when have PAs been able to cast spells?
(This thread is about Geasa and SPELLCASTING!)
|No Again, basically a given foci is being used as a "Talismanic Geasa" to a
|particular spell. "I can't throw this spell without -THIS- particular
|object, AT ALL." It may seem strange, but it can be done and can even be
|done within the mechanics of the SR system. AND it can be done and maintain
|the magical balance. Actually, it even helps to keep the balance.
Yes, but this IS spellcasting, so no bonuses there then....
Only PENALTIES for NON-USE.
--
______________________________________________________________________________
|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 11:38:01 -0400
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Optional Metatypes, part 3: Sasquatch
In a message dated 97-07-11 02:20:14 EDT, ddmaster@**.NET (Black Death)
writes:
> I agree with Bull. I have always thought due to their vocal cords' make
> up that they were not able to speak any complicated languages.
>
> Take a look at dogs they can be taught single syllable words and their
> meaning. Yet they cannot speak our language.
>
> Am I to assume that now I'm wrong on this??
>
I don't think you're wrong, I just think they (FASA writers) are playing
games with us. And on the note of Sasquoi, what about that assistant to
Lofwyr? Her unmasked form that S. Verner saw was tall and furry, but I
couldn't tell from the descriptions if she was a Sasquoi or a Wendigo (and
yeah Lofwyr could work with Wendigo, he gives to the Ordo Maximus).
-K
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 11:42:33 -0400
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Subject: Re: Optional Metatypes, part 3: Sasquatch
In a message dated 97-07-11 02:51:29 EDT, slothman@*********.ORG (Max Rible)
writes:
>
> Actually, the Sasquatch Entertainer Contact in Sprawl Sites gives
> a prerecorded speech, IIRC. I figure that Sasquatches can speak
> just fine, but they just know that "Hoi, more beer here, chummer" is
> a sound that makes the bartender pour you a drink, and it might as well
> be some kind of complicated whistle-code. (If they can do "divebombing
> starfighter with overloaded fusion pack", they should be able to do
> human speech.)
>
>
Actually, that part is being said by an Interpreter/Translator I thought...
-K
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 11:50:36 -0400
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Subject: Re: T'skrang = Sleestaks
In a message dated 97-07-11 03:58:49 EDT, lobo1@****.COM (John E Pederson)
writes:
>
>
> Uh...I'm confused. What is a sleestak (for those of us who managed to
> miss whatever it is they appeared on/in:)?
>
>
>
Rather squattish reptilian humanoid with large eyes, based on the concept
that some dinosaurials did advance in the intelligence department...and DAMN
they were pretty intelligent...I have a vague memory of them coming from
another world even, setting up the Pylons (tall towers with lots of power) to
monitor and do different things..
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 11:52:30 -0400
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Subject: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,or Bring out your Spells,Bring
out your spells
In a message dated 97-07-11 04:11:11 EDT, NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU
(Bruce H. Nagel) writes:
> > good).
> And I wasn't really talking about legality. I'd find it incredibly rude,
> almost on the level of rape. Just because it's magically created doesn't
> mean
> you're not responsible for your actions...
>
>
OOOHHH Big fight topic here at the home game. Responsible Magicians....that
sounds like a flame war or worse in the making...
-K
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 08:26:55 -0700
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Black Death asked:
| What is BBB??
It stands for Big Black Book and refers to the Shadowrun (SR) second
edition rulebook. Also called "The Bible," or "That thing that keeps
falling apart <sputter>"
The latter is little used as it actually takes longer to type then
"Shadowrun Second Edition Rulebook."
=)
| Somebody please tell me.
I did!!!!!
-Caric
"If a man talks in the forest, and there isn't a woman around to hear him,
is he still wrong?"
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 08:45:12 -0700
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<snip>
| "Weapons. Two solid hits, both Carpfish got him dead centre."
|
| "Monitor and report. Let's see if we killed that thread in time...
| Reload tubes one and three, just in case. Secure from Action
| Stations..."
|
| The leviathan resumes its patrol.
RFLOL...oh my I think i'm gonna cry LOL
Bravo Paul!!!!!! Very nice.
=)
-Caric
"Why is there no blue food!!!!"
-George Carlin
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 08:37:25 -0700
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Subject: Re: Target: UCAS and Bug Stuff
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| SPOILERS FOR TARGET UCAS!!! (Nothing about Granite, Fro, or Spikey
| though...:))
|
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| @
| Wow, that is just truly hideous and foul... And gives me some GREAT
ideas
| for adapting some of the older bug modules (I'm currently running Queen
| Euphoria, and plan to use some of United Brotherhood in the future...:))
United Brotherhood!!!!! Not another cult. hehehe Sorry Bull, but I had
to go FOREVER without giving you any grief and it was starting to wear on
me. :)
| My quotes were cool, though I only had 2, and for some reason I'm
southern
| and from New Orleans... But I can live with that...;] It was still cool
| to be in the book... And they were kinda long quotes...:]:]
They were really long which is why I think Granite got more, his were
shorter. I liked the banter though...good banter. I think that you were
from New Orleans because Mike knows that you are a pirate at heart. :)
| That's about it. Looks like a good book over all... I look forward to
| reading the rest of it...;];]
Haven't quite got there myself yet either.
-Caric
"If a man talks in the forest, and there isn't a woman around to hear him,
is he still wrong?"
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 08:47:20 -0700
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| |Wouldn't there have to be something there with an aura? Even if it's
just
| |a chair or a marble that the sammie tossed? Unless it's a DM I would
say
| |that there has to be some targetmore precis then just "over there."
|
| There's always SOMETHING....
| How about a floor tile?
<Michael Palin>
Well a floor tile maybe, but not a point in space that's my point.
</Michael Palin>
-Caric
"Why is there no blue food!!!!"
-George Carlin
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 08:48:32 -0700
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| |I'm with Spike on this one...and BTW Spikey I picked up Target:UCAS
| |yesterday at Hexicon for a song. If you are nice I might be persuaded
to
| |tell you what you said if you are still dying to find out.
| |
| |Muahahahahaha!!!!!
|
| I've had one snippet already...
|
| I'm slightly peeved that he decided to give me an american accent....
Ah well if you don't want to be in a book i'll take your spot next time.
<grumbling about gifthorses and mouths>
;)
-Caric
"Why is there no blue food!!!!"
-George Carlin
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 12:11:26 -0400
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] Sid and Marty Krofft (was Re: T'skrang = Sleestaks)
In a message dated 97-07-11 05:14:32 EDT, Victor-Fisher@******.COM (Fisher,
Victor) writes:
>
> 'H.R. Puff-n-Stuf,
> Whose your friend when things get rough?
> H.R.Puff-n-Stuff
> Can only do a little, but he can do enough!'
>
> or, to make it worse...
>
> And now, introducing, that world famous band, after playing an EXTENDED
> tour of Bug...er, Chicago, THE BUGALOOS!!!
> .
> .
> .
> 'The Bugaloos!The Bugaloos!!
> We're in the air and everywhere!
> Flying high, flying free,
> Flying easy as a summer breeze
> Happy as a summer breeze <Dadada>
>
> Kohl, feeling REALLY old right about now.
> 'Where's my mag sight? WHERE's MATLOCK?!?'
>
> >
Getting out the BIG BUG GUNS!!! (Redneck Rampage Voice) "Ware ar them
dangburned piles of pozum squat...(shoot to kill, shoot to kill)...come here
boy, weel fix you right up...!!!!
Sorry, I just couldn't take anymore....I had a sudden surge of "Age-Induced
Insanity" after this part. I have Eidetic Memory...all this convo on past
kid shows started to really catch up to me...
-K
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 17:12:33 +0100
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Subject: Re: [SR3] Fetish & Exclusive Spells (suggestions)
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97 08:48:32 am
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|Ah well if you don't want to be in a book i'll take your spot next time.
OH NO YOU DON'T!
It's MY spot! Mine! ALL MINE!!!!
|<grumbling about gifthorses and mouths>
Better to be American than not in it at all...
It was only a SMALL peeve.....
(I can be peevish at times.....)
:p
--
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|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 12:12:46 -0400
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: cyberware and it's effects on the psyche and body
In a message dated 97-07-11 05:38:05 EDT, florian.goll@******.UNI-WEIMAR.DE
(Raven) writes:
>
> Do you think this will help????
> Okay guys, who wants Cyberpsychosis in SR ;)
>
> (Raven, donning his Asbestos Underwear(TM?), resuplying his
> carp-shelter and hides in it)
> --Raven
>
Been there, done that....
-K (Flack Jacket Screens to Maximum Ensign Kirk!!!)
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 12:15:35 -0400
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Subject: Re: 2XS/Dirk Montgomery (Was Combat Spells -- Level 6?)
In a message dated 97-07-11 05:55:39 EDT, fro@***.AB.CA (Adam J) writes:
>
> >P.S. 2XS one of my favorite...probably second favorite after
> >changling.
>
> Haven't read Changling, but I would say 2XS probably is my favourite.
>
I got a kick out of House of the Sun and Burning Bright personally. Burning
nearly sent player shockwaves through my whole game group actually. We being
in the shadow of Chicago (Lafayette is close), it made us think of nasty
alternatives (just what -IS- Purdue hiding in their steam tunnels anyway?)
-K
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 12:18:46 -0400
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Subject: Re: SR/ED ties (slight rant)
Comments: To: florian.goll@******.uni-weimar.de
In a message dated 97-07-11 06:23:27 EDT, florian.goll@******.uni-weimar.de
(Raven) writes:
> > Ok ok ok our two main weapons are Shadowrun and the big comfy chair...no
> > wait...
> ... our THREE main weapons are Shadowrun, the big comfy chair and the
> soft cushions... aaaand
> --Raven
>
AAAaaand, the Remote "Player OFF!!!" aaaand the dog "sick him Nicki, get
him
girl (75 pounds of golden shepherd drift over waving tail gleefully draggin
the dreaded 'rascally rabbit' toy with her).
-K
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 12:20:15 -0400
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: 2XS/Dirk Montgomery (Was Combat Spells -- Level 6?)
In a message dated 97-07-11 07:32:45 EDT, habenir@******.SAN.UC.EDU writes:
>
> Dirk is definately amusing. At least when he get's hit with a dumpster his
> reply is to fall to the ground and say Duh! That kind of vulneralility
> impresses me unlike characters like Striper or the group from Black
Madonna,
> Gerriant and his buddies.
>
>
Striper!!! The ultimate in ---Pussy Cats---
-K
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 12:21:19 -0400
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: books again
In a message dated 97-07-11 07:37:46 EDT, Brother-1@*****.NET writes:
> Why not send in to FASA for a 2nd ed place book, or errata. Maybe put in
> your two cents when they announce that they're gonna make one?
> Incidentally, aside from "Paradise Lost" and a brief mention in
> "Underworld Sourcebook", IIRC, is there any info on Hawaii?
>
House of the Sun, Nigel's last book, had some as well, but you'd have to be
careful, as he's not a "Canon" author. Of course, ALL of his stuff has been
incorporated into the game, so take it as you will...
-K
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 12:26:58 -0400
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Subject: Re: Optional Metatypes, part 3: Sasquatch
In a message dated 97-07-11 09:18:34 EDT, gurth@******.NL (Gurth) writes:
>
> > I agree with Bull. I have always thought due to their vocal cords' make
> > up that they were not able to speak any complicated languages.
>
> Yet they can reproduce sounds of cars, dog,s aircraft, horses, etc.
> without any problem? This has always appeared a bit strange to me...
>
>
Part of my curiosity got enhanced by the topic of Language vs. Vocal Range.
Parrots for example have a FAR wider range than humans, yet can't
communicate in a way short of "stock mimicry" than ourselves. Dolphins (and
Cetaceans in general) have even wider yet, and show signs of communication
(very good signs, awesome to listen to when you're alone, in the dark).
Anyway, perhaps it's part of the mental framework of the Sasquoi, they can
communicate and use language, but they consider "vocal language" to be a
mimicry and not -REAL- communication, which comes from other sources. The
difference between "chatter" and "true comprehension."
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| |Ah well if you don't want to be in a book i'll take your spot next time.
|
| OH NO YOU DON'T!
| It's MY spot! Mine! ALL MINE!!!!
Damn. Well it WAS worth a shot.
| |<grumbling about gifthorses and mouths>
|
| Better to be American than not in it at all...
| It was only a SMALL peeve.....
Well okay then...us Americans are testy like that. 'cides i'm jealous.
;p~~
| (I can be peevish at times.....)
You Spike?!?!?! Never?!?!?! <g>
| :p
No thanks I don't french long distance.
Sorry all this kid show talk has gotten me nostalgic.
-Caric
"Why is there no blue food!!!!"
-George Carlin
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ME TOO!
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I Like talking about telly once in a while....
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 12:39:06 -0400
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Subject: Re: Spell List [Longish] (Not Quite so Long Now)
In a message dated 97-07-11 10:10:24 EDT, daddyjim@**********.COM (Loki)
writes:
> Orgasm
<snip>
> Note: The original spell designer, Caric, uses an expendable fetish
> version that requires glow-in-the-dark condoms to be thrown towards
> his target.
Oh Caric, that's priceless...
> Soul Jar
<snip>
You're right, she's got a BEAUTIFULLY twisted, toxic mind...
> Rejuvinate
<snip>
I really liked this one.
> Solar Flare
> A specialized combat spell using the elemental effects of the sun.
> Against a normal target the spell works more or less as a standard
> power bolt. However, when cast at a target with an allergy or
> vulnerability to sunlight, the spell receives the bonuses listed under
> the severity or vulnerability.
It sounds like the Awakenings "Light" elemental effect.
> Lugee Blast
> Lugee Blast is an area effect spell. This blast covers the target with
> saliva and mucas. A secondary effect requires the target to make a
> quickness test to keep from falling. The target number for the falling
> test is the force of the spell +1 for every 2 successes.
Oh my god, I've been slimed!!!! (ghostbusters) -or- I don't really want to
do this, and believe -ME- I DON'T want to do this (sucking noises begin as
Tick inhales the "snot clone")...
> Integrate Clothing
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Class: Manipulation
> Type: Physical
> Range: Limited
> Target: ORT
> Duration: Sustained
> Drain: (F/2+1)D
>
> When cast, every 2 success will allow five kilograms of equipment,
> weapons, and such on your body to disappear and blend in with your
> Aura. During the sustained period all of your stuff is gone (no sneaky
> walking around naked with an armor rating of 7/2).
Okay, this one I have to comment on seriously. When you say "blend in with
your Aura", how much of this do you mean? I see lots of room for nasty
possibilities. Ranging from "sure your armor goes with you into the Astral
now, it's part of your Aura" to "What do you mean my armor took damage from
that Manaball?"
I guess I am just a bit lost on this one, could you explain it's purpose or
intent more please?
-K
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 12:44:30 -0400
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Subject: Re: Changing the System (Was [SR3] Magical Magic)
In a message dated 97-07-11 10:57:35 EDT, NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU
(Bruce H. Nagel) writes:
> > Damage Staging 1 .... +1 Drain Category
> > Drain Staging 1 .... +1 Drain Category
>
> > Drain Staging 2 .... No Modifier
> > Damage Staging 2 .... No Modifier
>
> > Drain Staging 3 .... -1 Drain Category
> > Damage Staging 3 .... -1 Drain Category
>
> > By this I mean that it would take 3 successes to stage things for Drain
> > Staging 3, etc...sorry to cut this short, gotta walk the dog really
quick..
> .
> Well, I think I would still go with Staging 2 for all spells for raising
the
> damage, but would maybe go for variable staging in the damage resistance
> (otherwise the staging cuts both ways and changes very little).
>
> losthalo
Oh no, if you had a guy who wanted to use this option, you could do the
following...
Mana Spike
Base Damage : L
Base Drain : L
LOS : No Modifier
Damage Staging 1 : Drain Category +1
Drain Staging 1 : Drain Category +1
Damage Reduction (variation on a theme) Staging 3 : Drain Category +1
End Drain : (f/2)D
sure, it's a little spell, but the mage gets the good end and the recipient
gets shafted to hell and back...
-K
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 12:53:26 -0400
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Subject: Re: [SR3] Spell Rituals
In a message dated 97-07-11 13:12:29 EDT, caric@********.COM (Caric) writes:
> net
> | successes achieved on the preparation work is usable as a bonus magic
> pool
> | for the operation itself.
>
> Hey that's not a bad idea...not bad at all. It's true that mages have
> always had to set up those darn circles, but nothing was ever really done
> with them.
>
> -Caric
>
Oh my god!!! Caric liked my idea ( a tear coming to my eye ... "Nicki, quit
wagging your tail in my face..")
"It was nothing" (claims the enchanter adept whose been around for a while)
-K
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 12:58:04 -0400
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Subject: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,
In a message dated 97-07-11 13:34:51 EDT, fro@***.AB.CA (Adam J) writes:
> >> Guaranteed Conception
> >> Drain : (F/2)M (even with a complicated modifier added)
> >> Range : Touch (this is touch if nothing isn't)
> >> Type : Physical (actually, it can Mana as well, similar to Heal/Treat)
> >
> >> It was used in the games to acquire possibly the most unique arcana I
> have
> >> ever had at any time. The Newborn Embryo.
<snipped sections of a 'complaint'.>
Sorry, I really didn't mean to offend. I was just tossing this out. And, as
I mentioned in my original posting, it (the act of the spell being used a
particular way) has caused ripples that continue to this day.
>
> Hrm. Sounds rather fun, actually.. Although I think my view of the
> Shadowrun world is a bit more..err.. well, gruesome and nasty. FASA's
> Shadowrun is a bit more fluffy and magical than I like.
> In todays world, people are stealing/killing/aborting babies.. using it
for
> some magical purposes is probably more honourable than that, IMO.
>
> -Aj
And, actually Aj, the idea of Shadowrun being a bit to "fluffy", well, I
guess I can see where you are saying, however, look at the implications.
SR had to pass the censorhip rules somehow...honourable doesn't exist in this
example...
-K
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 13:01:31 -0400
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,or Bring out your
Spells,Bringout your spells!
In a message dated 97-07-11 13:48:37 EDT, NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU
(Bruce H. Nagel) writes:
> Define violence as you will, but I generally define it as someone doing
what
> they want to with my body without my permission. This counts... It's not
> putting someone to sleep to avoid killing them, it's an invasion of
privacy
> and
> humiliating.
True, but for a game theme, it can be performed, just with caution for those
in mind...unless you intended what I did, go for the shock value of some
players whom have become to smug in their own actions and abuses...
>
> but of all the spells
> > you could cast on someone it's hardly the worst. Would you rather have
an
> > orgasm and get tired or burn to death as your head explodes?
>
> That really isn't the point. 'Would you rather be raped or murdered?'
isn't
> a
> fair choice, neither is something you should do to someone, eh? Some
people
> view sex pretty seriously, and this would be an extreme violation, doing
it
> to
> someone against their will (as opposed to voluntarily, which is an
original
> and
> interesting idea :) is the equivalent of taking control of their most
> personal
> thoughts and desires. Not nice.
>
> To those who think I'm taking this too seriously, well, *shrug*
>
> losthalo
Halo, sorry I said. I wasn't trying to start a war here. And yes, you are
right, sexual "non-aggressive" violence does exist. In SR's "world"
it would
definitely exist. Adam (admin), I guess you are right, this does fall under
the category of "adult-theme" content. I will try and be more responsible in
the future postings of such.
-K
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 09:52:03 -0700
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| > Orgasm
| <snip>
| > Note: The original spell designer, Caric, uses an expendable fetish
| > version that requires glow-in-the-dark condoms to be thrown towards
| > his target.
|
| Oh Caric, that's priceless...
Thanks :) That was in my wild and wooly days...might be time for another
character to learn this one though.
| > Soul Jar
| <snip>
|
| You're right, she's got a BEAUTIFULLY twisted, toxic mind...
<grumble, curse> Fraggin' acid steam cast little bitc*muffle*...
| > Rejuvinate
| <snip>
|
| I really liked this one.
So do we. After we sat down one day and figured out what your average
runner would look like after a year of shadowrunning...especially sammies
it became a staple. Usually the group all chips in karma for the magician
to learn it. Not straight SR acceptable perhaps, but we all stretch it a
bit sometimes neh?
| > Solar Flare
| > A specialized combat spell using the elemental effects of the sun.
| > Against a normal target the spell works more or less as a standard
| > power bolt. However, when cast at a target with an allergy or
| > vulnerability to sunlight, the spell receives the bonuses listed under
| > the severity or vulnerability.
|
| It sounds like the Awakenings "Light" elemental effect.
milar, but it would contain the ultra violet radiation and such that would
make it just lilke sunlight. Great for our vampiric buddies, which is what
it was originally designed for.
| > Lugee Blast
| > Lugee Blast is an area effect spell. This blast covers the target with
| > saliva and mucas. A secondary effect requires the target to make a
| > quickness test to keep from falling. The target number for the falling
| > test is the force of the spell +1 for every 2 successes.
|
| Oh my god, I've been slimed!!!! (ghostbusters) -or- I don't really
want to
| do this, and believe -ME- I DON'T want to do this (sucking noises begin
as
| Tick inhales the "snot clone")...
LOL!!!!
| > Integrate Clothing
| >
------------------------------------------------------------------------
| > Class: Manipulation
| > Type: Physical
| > Range: Limited
| > Target: ORT
| > Duration: Sustained
| > Drain: (F/2+1)D
| >
| > When cast, every 2 success will allow five kilograms of equipment,
| > weapons, and such on your body to disappear and blend in with your
| > Aura. During the sustained period all of your stuff is gone (no sneaky
| > walking around naked with an armor rating of 7/2).
|
| Okay, this one I have to comment on seriously. When you say "blend in
with
| your Aura", how much of this do you mean? I see lots of room for nasty
| possibilities. Ranging from "sure your armor goes with you into the
Astral
| now, it's part of your Aura" to "What do you mean my armor took damage
from
| that Manaball?"
Okay the guidelines that were set on this spell were pretty stringent.
First off we decided that a persons aura extends about 2-3 inches out from
their body. This means anything huge isn't going with you. When the
clothing is integrated it is not there...no armor rating counts, nothing.
For all intents and purposes it is gone. The sole purpose of this spell
was to allow our Wolf Shaman to shapechange without showing up naked again
later. It never much bothered me, but he was intent on keeping his clothes
with him, so we let him.
You may have seen the .sig I had for awhile that said "I was Naked!!!" we
it was those words spoken one blustery night whilst running in the original
~H~ that would later pursuade Rookie to design the spell.
SPOILERS FOR THE END OF THE ORIGINAL HARLEQUINN ADVENTURE
#
#
#
#
#
#
#
#
That should be fine.
Anyway if you all recall the part right before the fight between Ehran and
Harley when what you think is Ehran is lying there on the ground in the big
antechamber, at least he was when we played it its been so long that I
can't remember if we did something to him or not. Our intrepid and curious
raccoon shaman had changed into a raccoon and was poking around. The
little ppl running around down there thought that he was cute and cuddly
and started chasing him around. He ran away and got separated from us and
eventually changed back so that he could open a door...naked as a
jaybird...he then proceeded to strip down the faux Ehran and steal his
clothes. Harlequinn was less than pleased about that to say the least.
| I guess I am just a bit lost on this one, could you explain it's purpose
or
| intent more please?
Well there you have it. The player that was the raccoon shaman never
really cared, but Rookie didn't wanna end up naked. You know hoe those
wolf shamans are. <shrug>
:)
-Caric
"Why is there no blue food!!!!"
-George Carlin
See Above.
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 13:10:59 -0400
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Subject: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,
In a message dated 97-07-11 15:10:22 EDT, NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU
(Bruce H. Nagel) writes:
> Missed that you were using *aborted*fetuses in this... No, I don't have any
> real problem with already-dead matter being used, just prodicing fetuses
for
> the sake of magical processes. That goes against the grain, to me...
> Maybe, if the 'donor' volunteered. But why would such material be useful?
> It
> still comes real close to blood magic, sacrifice of living things, which
is
> quite verboten in SR as-written.
>
> losthalo
>
You are correct in that rules notification. Which is the other reason I am
desirous of Earthdawn never getting a really good conversion to SR going.
The ED system uses blood magic of every kind I think.
-K
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 13:12:52 -0400
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Subject: Re: More Elvis jokes (was Re: an idea...)
In a message dated 97-07-11 15:32:51 EDT, fro@***.AB.CA (Adam J) writes:
> >Does this mean that after I die I will be spotted in supermarkets all over
> >the world? :)
>
> Amish communities don't generally have supermarkets.. :)
>
> (Inside joke, everyone.)
>
> *snicker*
>
> -Adam
>
THWAP!!!!!
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 13:14:01 -0400
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Subject: Re: [SR3] Spell Rituals
In a message dated 97-07-11 15:34:14 EDT, NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU
(Bruce H. Nagel) writes:
> > I'm Sorry halo, got me confused...I meant that they use one centering
> skill
> > for the first test and a second, different, skill for the second
test...I'
> m a
> > master at knowing what is stackable and what isn't...
>
> Meaning one to reduce penalties and one to resist drain? But... I thought
> that
> was specifically disallowed, or are you talking about something else?
>
> losthalo
>
>
In a great form summoning, there is the conjuring drain for the initial
spirit and the great form "drain" for the quest. One centering skill for
each test.
-K
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 13:15:33 -0400
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Subject: Re: "Shadow" of an Apology (to Gurth- OT)
In a message dated 97-07-11 15:47:57 EDT, dvixen@********.COM (Dvixen)
writes:
>
> Hrmmm... If Ivanova followed a totwm, SR style, which one would it be?
>
>
DOG, definitely focused on it and very loyal to a given cause. I guess you
could go for Eagle, but she's bent the rules many a time in the past.
Now Marcus, I don't know...Wolf maybe, but his sense of humor would supercede
Wolf's boundaries on more than one occasion.
-K
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| > >> It was used in the games to acquire possibly the most unique arcana
I
| > have
| > >> ever had at any time. The Newborn Embryo.
|
| <snipped sections of a 'complaint'.>
|
| Sorry, I really didn't mean to offend. I was just tossing this out.
And, as
| I mentioned in my original posting, it (the act of the spell being used a
| particular way) has caused ripples that continue to this day.
It is a tad distasteful, but I think that if it hit home with your
characters then it was a good plot device. Shadowrun isn't a pleasant
setting and certain nasties are going to occur. If this was a PC that did
it I would have some definate long term effects of his using the particular
arcana however. Bad Karma in the extreme chummer.
Remind me of the time that we had to save a virgin from being
sacrificed...we had gotten the girl, but we were on the run. One of our
runners figured that if she wasn't a virgin then well you can gather the
rest. Distasteful? Yes. An adult theme? Yes. Did it work in our game? At
the time yes. Completely necessary? Who knows, but it did add some things
that we got to bounce around role-playing wise.
| >
| > Hrm. Sounds rather fun, actually.. Although I think my view of the
| > Shadowrun world is a bit more..err.. well, gruesome and nasty. FASA's
| > Shadowrun is a bit more fluffy and magical than I like.
| > In todays world, people are stealing/killing/aborting babies.. using
it
| for
| > some magical purposes is probably more honourable than that, IMO.
I agree...SR is a nasty nasty place, filled with even nastier people.
| And, actually Aj, the idea of Shadowrun being a bit to "fluffy", well, I
| guess I can see where you are saying, however, look at the implications.
|
| SR had to pass the censorhip rules somehow...honourable doesn't exist in
this
| example...
I think that SR has lot some of its grit over the years, but lets face it
deep down we all want to be the hero...I think that you can only be a jaded
self centered schmuck-o for so long before you develope morals to save
yourself from being bored if nothing else.
-Caric
"Why is there no blue food!!!!"
-George Carlin
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<snip>
| True, but for a game theme, it can be performed, just with caution for
those
| in mind...unless you intended what I did, go for the shock value of some
| players whom have become to smug in their own actions and abuses...
Agreed...it's a good way to set someone off kilter.
| > To those who think I'm taking this too seriously, well, *shrug*
| Halo, sorry I said. I wasn't trying to start a war here. And yes, you
are
| right, sexual "non-aggressive" violence does exist. In SR's "world"
it
would
| definitely exist. Adam (admin), I guess you are right, this does fall
under
| the category of "adult-theme" content. I will try and be more
responsible in
| the future postings of such.
K, I wouldn't worry about it too much, I don't think that Losthalo was
offended, at least I didn't get that impression, I would hope that he knows
that a spell such as Orgasm is there to enrich our game world in a fun way.
If he doesn't agree with it that certainly his option and he should go
with it. I personally think it's a hoot that's why I design it, but if
noone else in the universe ever uses it then so be it, no skin off my nose.
As far as the adult content I think that we are all mature enough to
handle it (even 'lil baby Fro :) , but I think this thread is pretty much
dead anyway so it's probab;y a moot point.
-Caric
"Why is there no blue food!!!!"
-George Carlin
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 13:21:09 -0400
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Subject: Re: Changing the System (Was [SR3] Magical Magic)
In a message dated 97-07-11 18:42:07 EDT, u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK (Spike)
writes:
> |By this I mean that it would take 3 successes to stage things for Drain
> |Staging 3, etc...sorry to cut this short, gotta walk the dog really
quick...
>
>
> If you want, I'll post up the design rules from the Grimoire. Give you an
> idea of how it SHOULD be done( and was, in 1st Ed ).....
>
No thanks Spike, I'm the only person in the area of Lafayette as an SR player
it seems to really understand the spell design rules. Not trying to stroke
my ego or other body parts here either, I am just tired of people "rule
munching" the spell design options so that they can make MONGO SLAYS ALL
spells and get away with little to no drain.
I like the design rules, they just need some more guidelines for helping in
creating color and depth...
-K
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Subject: Re: Music for Shadowrun
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At 22:29 11.07.97 -0500, you wrote:
>I was listening to some of my CDs and remarking how some of the tunes would
>be appropriate for background use in Shadowrun games. Anyone else use music
>with their games?
>
>Some of the songs I thought of:
>
>"Zoo Station", U2, Achtung Baby
>"Tryin' To Throw Your Arms Around The World", U2, Achtung Baby
>"Acrobat", U2, Achtung Baby
>"Numb", U2, Zooropa
>"Lemon", U2, Zooropa
>"One Minute Warning", Passengers, Passengers: Original Soundtracks 1 (this
>was featured on "Ghost in the Shell")
>"Miss Sarajevo", Passengers, Passengers: Original Soundtracks 1
>
>I haven't finished my list yet. Any other suggestions?
Well... i`m using:
PRODIGY,
BODY COUNT
PANTERA
FUTURE SOUND OF LONDOS
sometimes THE DOORS, JIMI HENDRIX
OFFSPRING, DOG EAT DOG, SUCIDAL TENDENCIES
and lots, lots more i.e. TWIN PEAKS for dark scenarios...
i like music for sessions
yASIu...
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At 23:02 11.05.97 +0000, you wrote:
>> How to convert damage codes from 1st edition to second???
>Add the numbers together, so 4M2 becomes 6M and so on. Grenades are
><skipping through FoF> Offensive 30, Dfensive 30, Concussion 30,
>Smoke 30, Flash 40, Mini x2 listed price
>--Raven
Okee... thanks
yASIu...
e-maIL [yasiu@******.com]
rEAL nAME???? wHAt iS rEAl nAME???
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News from Poland... My city is almost flooded. Council is panickaly trying to save oldest
part of city full of churches, museums etc... my only acces to the world is internet... i
can`t make outside city phone calls...
But i`m goin` to play tonight... i`m crazy :)
yASIu...
e-maIL [yasiu@******.com]
rEAL nAME???? wHAt iS rEAl nAME???
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 13:23:36 -0400
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Changing the System (Was [SR3] Magical Magic)
In a message dated 97-07-11 18:59:05 EDT, mike.paff@*****.COM writes:
> >
> If you incorporate these changes, make certain that if the target gets
more
> successes than the caster, he takes no damage. Otherwise, spellcasters
> will create base Deadly spells, damage staging 3, and the target would
> need to get 12+ successes to take no damage, and the spellcaster would
have
> less drain in the process.
>
> Mike Paff
>
>
Okay Mike, I started the thread, and you should have the suggestions for
spell design now. Create one for me that examples what you are describing
please. I am a bit confused and would like to be given some more help.
-K
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 13:32:35 -0400
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Subject: Re: MP laser & mirrors
In a message dated 97-07-11 19:08:58 EDT, justin@******.NET (Jaymz) writes:
>
> Has anyone ever tried to deal with the MP laser and mirrors?
>
> Eg. a mirrored shield of some sort?
> Also using a mirror to assist aiming and aiming around corners, etc?
>
> -
Oh sure, yeah, here we go...
Binder and Greaser are trying to reach the control center for the old-folks
home in the basement. Floor is polished aluminum tile, walls are mirrored.
Along comes Steel Lynx with Gridlink-like mods and Sentry gun mounted MP
Laser. Electrified the floor, lynx doesn't use it's own batteries
(converters in the legs for good use). fired the beam at angles (SPU Math
and an SPU CAD (Cyber Aided Design) were good for this), starting pot
shotting.
Greaser goes into defensive mode, tries to put the plates of his armor more
directly into the beam (called dodge rolls were a new one to us). Binder
goes for the ceiling and stays off the floor (Greaser had the better
insulated shows, Binder had his softsoles).
Binder yanks out his enchanter's kit, pulls out a small mirror and goes for a
called reflection hit. Then, after dealing with the drone, two sentry MP's
on the door sides to the room itself were beginning their fire runs. Of
course, the control center had previously lots of time to directly aim out
the lasers, so they got none of the modifiers (jerks).
Each bank on the walls was a +2 mod (similar to the symmetry rules for CCSS
and mages). Called shots for dodge and reflection were +4's. Base dodge for
lasers is a 6 here.
I played in this one (Binder is an old character of mine, 3rd one I ever
made) and Brent (Greaser, who is the OLDEST SR character I know of). Mike
(Airwisp on the rec.games.frp.cyber) list was the gm. the rest of the group
were dealing with the Knight Errant guys on third floor while trying to reach
the little old lady who had the information in her subconscious mind that we
needed.
Wheenie the Mage cries out "I don't wanna die" on his hands and knees, with
his hands in front of him, begging or so it seemed. Party ignores the nerd
guy (looked like a hospital technician and goes for the sammie types), who is
actually "whining" and "begging" as Centering skills, who promptly
threw a
blast spell at the lot of them.
Yes, it was a game for the books..
-K
It was fun, sure it was...
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 13:35:23 -0400
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,
or Bring out your Spells,Bring out your spell
In a message dated 97-07-11 19:13:44 EDT, NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU
(Bruce H. Nagel) writes:
>
> Developing a fetus for the purposes of using it as magical materials?
> Can you say... blood magic? You're really walking the fine line on this
one,
>
> lots of mages would take an interest in booting someone who put such a
spell
> to
> such uses. I can see you being hunted over this sort of thing, if for no
> other
> reason than mucking up the limited good reputation magicians have.
>
> losthalo
>
>
Have you ever read "the Misenchanted Sword?" (author is forgotten, my copy
was stolen)...it was the requirement for a youth spell.
-K
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 13:36:48 -0400
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Subject: Re: [SR3] Fetish & Exclusive Spells (suggestions)
In a message dated 97-07-11 19:35:32 EDT, u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK writes:
>
> I did skip a little, but the point still stands.
> Geasa should NOT give bonuses for ANY reason, ever......
> --
>
It's an opinion thing, because the books state such as options. Kind of goes
with Fetishes being part of a spell design and getting more from it. Geasa
is a term, learn its TOTAL definition before you pick and choose.
-K
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Dan Coffin wrote:
>
> I was listening to some of my CDs and remarking how some of the tunes would
> be appropriate for background use in Shadowrun games. Anyone else use music
> with their games?
<snip stuff on music selections>
> I haven't finished my list yet. Any other suggestions?
I use a lot of industrial (Ministry, Die Krupps, Gravity Kills etc.) for
clubs and combat, but have a lot of music for many occasions.
The "Aliens" ST is a must for any venture into Bug City or moving
through the sewers of Seattle.
Its hard to go to Aztlan without the already metnioned Desparado ST, or
a popular Maricachi <sp> group called the Gypsy Kings.
Something else we have done is make tape recordings of automatic weapons
fire and car chases of sound effects CDs. We have three stereos going at
once and an extremely gratifying effect (when circumstances call for it)
is to play something like Ministry, with the two tapes going. It makes
it a little harder to communicate, but the overall effect is very cool
and seems to charge everyone up.
Jim
PS--The only music we haven't touched (and won't as long as we play
under my roof with me as the GM) is country and rap.
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 13:45:57 -0400
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Idiot Definitions...(was B5 stuff)...)
In a message dated 97-07-11 23:49:25 EDT, u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK (Spike)
writes:
> >
> |Yeah, that I saw too...oops, forgot the advanced spoiler blocker...
>
> THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!!!!!
>
> IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!
>
Spike, that is in regards to Me. I apologize for this, however, it's an
"Idiot Savante", get it right...
-K
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 10:44:38 -0700
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From: mike.paff@*****.COM
Subject: Re: Changing the System (Was [SR3] Magical Magic)
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
> In a message dated 97-07-11 18:59:05 EDT, mike.paff@*****.COM writes:
> > If you incorporate these changes, make certain that if the target gets more
> > successes than the caster, he takes no damage. Otherwise, spellcasters
> > will create base Deadly spells, damage staging 3, and the target would
> > need to get 12+ successes to take no damage, and the spellcaster would have
> > less drain in the process.
> >
> Okay Mike, I started the thread, and you should have the suggestions for
> spell design now. Create one for me that examples what you are describing
> please. I am a bit confused and would like to be given some more help.
>
Spell: ManaMunch
Base Damange: D
Base Drain: D
Range: LOS (no drain mod)
Type: Mana (no drain mod)
Damage Staging: 3 (-1 Drain Category)
Drain Staging: 2 (no drain mod)
Final Drain: (F/2)S2
Damage Code: (F)D3
Using the standard SR II rules, if the caster gets 1 success and the target
gets 2, there is no effect (and I have no problem with this). The caster still
must resist drain.
However, a house rule that has been discussed lately would require the
target to stage the damage all the way down to take no damage. With this
rule, the caster would only need one success to cast the spell, and the target
would need 13 successes to take no damage (1 to negate the caster's success
and 3 per damage category D->S->M->L->None) and the caster would face Serious
drain. Using a standard damage staging of 2 and this house rule, the target
would need 9 successes to take no damage (1 to negate the caster's success
and 2 per damage category D->S->M->L->None) and the caster would face Deadly
drain.
I hope this makes my warning a little clearer.
Mike Paff
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 14:01:56 -0400
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Subject: Re: Guaranteed Conception
In a message dated 97-07-12 05:32:39 EDT, ddmaster@**.NET (Black Death)
writes:
>
> This spell IMHO will be used more by people who are trying to save the
> endangered species of the world. Which would explain why it was created
> and provably what it was originally designed for (IMHO).
Go ahead and think of it what you will (ewg)...
>
> (AFTER THOUGHT)
>
> What ever happened to Green Peace in 205* ??
Are they "Earth First" or "TerraFIRST!!" ???
-K
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 14:03:39 -0400
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Apology (was about B5 spoilers)
Comments: To: shergold@***********.net
In a message dated 97-07-12 06:59:53 EDT, shergold@***********.net (Shergold)
writes:
>
> About the Babylon 5 spoilers and anyone's delicate sensiblitlies that I
> have offended I apologize. I was merely responding to someone's post, I
had
> put a spoiler header in before I downspaced (I did read the FAQ BTW ). Any
> subsequent postings after mine, people didn't include my spoiler warning.
I
> was somewhat irritated at the time of my last message and what I said came
> out with a bit more venom than intended.
>
> <Scene of SilverFire withdrawing with hat in hand>
>
> SilverFire
And as I said elsewhere, it was MY mistake, not SF's, so back down a bit...
-K (who was here for the conversation on spoilers)
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Hoi,
Is there anybody else that find it a real pain if you don't check you
mail like five times a day when you do you have to download a couple
of hundred mails ... Most of the frankly of no worth or interest at
all ...
would it be so hard to have like a daily digest instead ... sure it
would come later than the mails but instead of getting all those
"small" mails you would just get on alittle larger.
Even thou the main letter in it self is not very large the mail is.
With all the information its contains about origin, time, datestamps
and god knows all the other crap in there.
And you would not have to have all them letters saying I agree or the
once saying "Is this thing working ?".
I want a daily digest instead it would be so nice.
/Stefan
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 14:11:10 -0400
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Fetish & Exclusive Spells (suggestions)
In a message dated 97-07-12 13:08:57 EDT, u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK (Spike)
writes:
> |WRONG!!!
>
> Nope. Not wrong! Thayt was taken totally out of context and you know it!
>
> Since when have PAs been able to cast spells?
> (This thread is about Geasa and SPELLCASTING!)
But you took it beyond it by saying Geasa NEVER are beneficial. The books
offer such for physical adepts, physical mages, all mages for their spells.
>
> |No Again, basically a given foci is being used as a "Talismanic Geasa" to
a
> |particular spell. "I can't throw this spell without -THIS- particular
> |object, AT ALL." It may seem strange, but it can be done and can even be
> |done within the mechanics of the SR system. AND it can be done and
> maintain
> |the magical balance. Actually, it even helps to keep the balance.
>
> Yes, but this IS spellcasting, so no bonuses there then....
> Only PENALTIES for NON-USE.
Nope, the penalties for non-use are different. Quit reading or "slam
reading" sets of paragraphs together within the rule books. Geasa is a term
that means "crutch" or "accompaniment". That is also a synonym for
Fetish.
And when you specifically design something into a spell, it does give
bonuses. For the design itself, they exist. It may NOT be a bonus for the
"then and there" casting of the spell, it is in the preparation and creation
itself. Go beyond the "then and there", go into the total action.
-K (who is really looking at Spike strangely now)
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From: Raven <florian.goll@******.UNI-WEIMAR.DE>
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Black Death spoke:
> (AFTER THOUGHT)
>
> What ever happened to Green Peace in 205* ??
They became militant and renamed to GreenWar, ecoterrorists par
excellence.
--Raven
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From: Raven <florian.goll@******.UNI-WEIMAR.DE>
Subject: Re: cyberware and it's effects on the psyche and body
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<Snip Combat>
> "Monitor and report. Let's see if we killed that thread in time...
> Reload tubes one and three, just in case. Secure from Action
> Stations..."
<Raven laying low on ground and laughing to himself, cause he took
out Pauls Carps with his fish-egg-evasion-system, than thinking 'so
what about grounding now???'>
> The leviathan resumes its patrol.
Till I get on him again ;)
Raven-the-laying-low-and-covering-quite-quickly-Elven-Rigger
--Raven
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From: Raven <florian.goll@******.UNI-WEIMAR.DE>
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Caric critizised:
<snip quote from BBB>
> So Raven we dead on, but I thought that last little bit was important.
Yeah, but my BBB is at my Players, and I won't get my hands back on
it for 3months <tears running down the cheeks>, so thanx for the
correction, I my have a carp or two left ;)
--Raven
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From: Raven <florian.goll@******.UNI-WEIMAR.DE>
Subject: Re: flood
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yASIu sent:
> News from Poland... My city is almost flooded. Council is
> panickaly trying to save oldest part of city full of churches,
>museums etc... my only acces to the world is internet... i can`t
>make outside calls...
> But i`m goin` to play tonight... i`m crazy :)
Yeah... we all are, or who would play games if its 35°C outside
(okay.. its just too hot for me).
Seen the flooding in the news and some special reports, I hope it's
not too bad for you. Good luck to your people!
--Raven
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From: Raven <florian.goll@******.UNI-WEIMAR.DE>
Subject: Re: What is BBB??
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Black Death dared to ask:
> What is BBB??
>
> Somebody please tell me.
The Big Black Book is SR II, the second edition of Shadowrun, the
sequel of Big Blue Book ;)
--Raven
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From: Damion Milliken <milko@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: SR I question
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Josh Higham writes:
> > The game store here has a used copy of SR I and claims it to be first
> > printing and there doesn't seem to be any kind of print code in it.
> >
> > How do you tell?
>
> Usually look on the inside of the cover or first page, where they have
> the copyright and printing info, there will be a list of printings:
Most often there will be no indication if the book is a 1st printing. It
will just say:
"Published by FASA Corporation
P.O. Box 6930 Chicago, Il 60680"
Instead of:
"Corrected 11th Printing
Published by FASA Corporation
P.O. Box 6930 Chicago, Il 60680"
This is usually found on the "Credits" page, which lists athe writers of the
book, just after the contents. Sometimes it can be found on the back of the
book, near the bar code and ISBN number.
PS: Greetings to all, I hear that 3rd Ed is in the works and suggestions are
requested? True? Any special place to send them, and any particular
requirements for submissions and suggestions?
--
Damion Milliken University of Wollongong
Unofficial Shadowrun Guru E-mail: milko@***.edu.au
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Subject: Re: Centering vs Penalties (was Re: [SR3] Spell Rituals)
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Caric writes:
> This forced me to ponder (no easy task at 6AM on a Saturday) the exact
> functioning of area effect spells. If I understand correctly you toss the
> spell at a target and if it grounds out from him it hits anyone else in the
> area of effect, but only if you can see them. Yet if the spell doesn't
> ground throught the original target then it doesn't go off.
This is the case for grounding a spell from the astral plane, yes. However,
it is not the case for casting an area of effect spell at targets on the
plane that the caster is currently in.
> If you have to target the auras of all the targets why wouldn't the spell
> try to hit them all regardless, and if you have to just hit the one target
> why would you have to see the other targets?
I'm a little confused by this. If an area of effect spell is being cast at
a group of people, then it affects each on individualy. The affect (or lack
thereof) of the spell on one person does not change the affect of the spell
on another. As for the requirement to see all the targets of a spell, it
has to do with the "synchonising araus" thing - you can't affect a target
that you cannot synchronise with (exception: DM spells).
> Now if the caster does not need to see the other targets (I just checked
> the BBB and didn't find anything that said one way or the other, but I just
> read the little blurb about area of effect spells in the "spells" section)
> then why would vision and other situational modifiers ,other than cover,
> effect the target numbers to damage them?
Although the caster does need to see the targets of a spell to affect them,
you bring up a good point. Since the spell caster does a quick switch to
astral perception to synchronise auras with the target of the spell, it
would seem logical that many of the situation modifiers (lighting in
particular) would be irrelevent. Modifiers due to smoke, mist, or rain
would still apply, as these distort and block vision on the astral plane the
same as they do on the physical, however. The only real reason I can think
of right now for still including the vision lightin modifiers in spell
casting is that the quick action of astral perception that the spell caster
undertakes to synchronise auras is only quick enough to synchronise auras,
not significant enough to allow readjustment of targetting. If the
targetting is poor, perhaps due to being unable to see that target clearly,
then the synchronisation will also be poor.
As for the requirement to "centre" spells on a target, I always used to run
it that spells other than DMs had such a requirement. However, upon
looking, I cannot find where I obtained this ruling from (perhaps 1st Ed?).
Also, I cannot really see any reason that a comabt spell requires that the
centre of its affect be a specific target of the spell. After all, its is
just pumping energy into the auras of all targets within its area of affect
- why should it need one at the centre?
PS: It's good to be back - it's been a long time since I've debated
grounding spells through quickenings cast on elven illuminati that have
masked them and are in FAB filled rooms lined with orichalcum. <VBG> :-)
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Damion Milliken University of Wollongong
Unofficial Shadowrun Guru E-mail: milko@***.edu.au
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From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,
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Henry" at Jul 12, 97 01:10:59 pm
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|You are correct in that rules notification. Which is the other reason I am
|desirous of Earthdawn never getting a really good conversion to SR going.
| The ED system uses blood magic of every kind I think.
True, but Blood Magic also exists in SR.
The only types of blood magic in EarthDawn available to Player Characters is
OATH magic, where they swear on their blood on something.
If they keep the Oath for a year, some bonus is gained. If they break the
oath, they gain a permanent scar on their body (usually forehead) in the
shape recognisable as OATHBREAKER....
All nasty forms of Blood Magic are for NPC use only...
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|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
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From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Apology (was about B5 spoilers)
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|And as I said elsewhere, it was MY mistake, not SF's, so back down a bit...
|-K (who was here for the conversation on spoilers)
|
Well... Of course I was, but I did specifically state only one day before
that I did NOT want to see even the smallest hint....
And then that happened.
Everyone else had been including 30 lines of spoiler space, so I safely
skipped those articles
--
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|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
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From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Mailing list Digest ?
In-Reply-To: <199707121807.UAA03110@******.passagen.se> from "Stefan" at
Jul
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|would it be so hard to have like a daily digest instead ... sure it
|would come later than the mails but instead of getting all those
|"small" mails you would just get on alittle larger.
There *IS* a digest option....
Can't remember if it's daily, but all you have to do for full info on how
top set up listserv to whatever way you want it is....
e-mail listserv@********.itribe.net
subject: none
help
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|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 21:25:58 +0100
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From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Fetish & Exclusive Spells (suggestions)
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|-K (who is really looking at Spike strangely now)
|
Don't look at *ME* like that!
:)
Look, when I GM I allow bonuses only on things like Foci/fetishes/etc.
I don't recall seeing it anywhere in the rules stating that mages can CHOOSE
to have a Geas in order to gain some benefit.
Please. Before you start saying "Stop skimming the rules and read deeply",
would you at least quote chapter and verse?
And if it's from Awakenings, then I can't skim read it, because I don't have
it....
--
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|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
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>My god, he'll ask about grounding next...
ROFLMAOKTDATPB!!!!!
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 21:44:56 +0100
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Subject: Re: cyberware and it's effects on the psyche and body
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|>My god, he'll ask about grounding next...
|ROFLMAOKTDATPB!!!!!
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?????? WTF ?????
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|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
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|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 13:52:52 -0700
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From: The Spaceman <spaced@*.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject: Target: UCAS and Bug Stuff
In-Reply-To: <3.0.16.19970712044313.2257062e@*****.com>
>>>>> Bull didst say unto the aether thusly:
# SPOILERS FOR TARGET UCAS!!! (Nothing about Granite, Fro, or Spikey
# though...:))
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# Ok, that's good...
# Wow, that is just truly hideous and foul... And gives me some GREAT ideas
# for adapting some of the older bug modules (I'm currently running Queen
# Euphoria, and plan to use some of United Brotherhood in the future...:))
Yes! a chance to run _Total Eclipse_ with a new twist......... Perhaps
Twilight is _really_ a wasp/ant/whatever messing with Eclipse's mind. or
Eclipse is really a 1)woman and 2)mantis shaman, and Twilight masks as a mantid
that got free. or something.....
# My quotes were cool, though I only had 2, and for some reason I'm southern
# and from New Orleans... But I can live with that...;] It was still cool
# to be in the book... And they were kinda long quotes...:]:]
You defended UCAS tho'. Perhaps I need to read it again, but I was
under the impression you just liked N'awlins spirit or some such. I noticed
Spike was still list.member.grumpy........
# That's about it. Looks like a good book over all... I look forward to
# reading the rest of it...;];]
The Boston section struck me as being somewhat flat, a sort of rehash
of other ideas. The only interesting thought was the catacombs, a sort of Ork
Underground for everybody. Perhaps combine that with some of the X-Men story
lines from back when I was into comic books (late eighties).
The Spaceman |When the fingers have no more kindling
spaced@*.washington.edu |the fire goes on burning, unaware that
Check out the Bill Page! |it's gone - Chuang-Tzu
http://weber.u.washington.edu/~spaced/bill.html
New maintainer of the Shadowrun Player Directory:
http://weber.u.washington.edu/~spaced/srdir/
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 16:59:00 -0400
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From: Josh Higham <jhigham@******.STUDENT.CWRU.EDU>
Subject: Commlink
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I don't have a SSC, and I'm trying to build a character with a military
background, so a commlink, radio and other cyber communications gear is
important. Despite help from people on #shadowrun, I still am having
problems:
1) I was looking at cyber groupings offered in the NAGEE I-IV compiled
archive, and was interested in one of the communications packages, and
was also trying to use the info to get a better grasp on what the
Commlink is/does. However, the essence costs for each package do not
match up (ie the raw cost listed in parens is not what I get if I add the
items together). Since the costs for other groups were fine, and it was
off for every comm package, I'm wondering if there was something that I
was missing.
2) I was told that the commlink let you not use your hands (this may
have been before I said it was cyberware, because it doesn't make sense
in that context) and that it lets you speak subvocally, which doesn't
make sense because at least for the telephone, it already allows
subvocally use.
3) I think it might allow use of extra items (anti-jamming eq or such).
Anyway, If it is ok I would like the description of the item, or some
clear indication on how it is used in conjunction with a radio, crypto
circuit, and scramble breaker.
Thanks.
*-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-*
Josh Higham jxh25@**.cwru.edu
11904 Carlton Rd. 410A http://129.22.241.146/~jhigham/
Cleveland OH 44106 Anon ftp available at the same site
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 14:01:13 -0700
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From: The Spaceman <spaced@*.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject: France in 205x
I'm going to be running an SR event at Dragonflight[1] this year, and
it involves a resurrection of the Beaujolais Nouveau races. I need info
on what France is like in 205x, as FASA doesn't seem to have published a France
sourcebook, or even a Neo-Anarchist's guide to Europe. Has France balkanized
like Germany and Italy? If unified, what sort of government is there? Lots
of meta prejudice? relatively progressive race wise but rabidly anti-non-
French?
Thanks
Spaced
[1] Local con here in Seattle
The Spaceman |When the fingers have no more kindling
spaced@*.washington.edu |the fire goes on burning, unaware that
Check out the Bill Page! |it's gone - Chuang-Tzu
http://weber.u.washington.edu/~spaced/bill.html
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 17:20:58 -0700
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Organization: Tin Roses
Subject: Re: Target: UCAS and Bug Stuff
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# SPOILERS FOR TARGET UCAS!!! (Nothing about Granite, Fro, or Spikey
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> The Boston section struck me as being somewhat flat, a sort of rehash
> of other ideas. The only interesting thought was the catacombs, a sort of Ork
> Underground for everybody. Perhaps combine that with some of the X-Men story
> lines from back when I was into comic books (late eighties).
Being a native Bostonian, I was .very. unimpressed with that section of
Target: UCAS.
It relied heavily on stereotypes that are quickly becoming untrue
(Boston Harbor is toxic, Roxbury/Dorchester has fifteen gangers per
square foot..), although the noted difference between Irish and Tir was
appreciated. I guess there's only so much you can do 22 pages, sigh.
Thank goodness there was good stuff on Chicago!
I though someone mentioned that the major New England Mafia was based in
Providence, not Boston.... is that just my mistake?
And of course, I showed up as list.member.invisible, myself :)
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 00:01:04 +0100
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Organization: Black Gate Inc.
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> He is in hospital now debating whether (if?) Lone Star (his employer) will
> pay for a full cyberleg or only for some kind of clonal replacement... Not
> to mention how he's going to pay for the hospital treatment, but since
> he's got a job at a security firm I'll most likely assume he's got
> insurance and only charge him a little bit. Which should raise some
> eyebrows among the other players...
So, that WAS me, you were talking about, I was wondering already.
>
> *remembers player in question is on this list* I think I'll make him wish
> the mantis spirit killed him :) <EGMG>
Now that you mention it, if you had let the mantis spirit kill me,
then we wouldn't have had so much fun getting our limbs blown off ;-)
Lance Cooney
"Are you sure that part goes there?" said the sammy to the streetdoc
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> I guess that depends on if you left him alive so that you could rip his arm
> of with an elevator later or not.
To indulge all of you: it was my leg, and he did.
Lance Cooney
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 18:25:23 -0400
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From: NightLife <habenir@******.SAN.UC.EDU>
Subject: Re: 2XS/Dirk Montgomery ['Vulnerability' of characters]
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>You know, Nightlife, it's looking more and more like you need a break
>from the list. You are taking every oppourtunity to slam whoever you
>feel like. (Myself included.)
Apparently it's ok to slam me, but when retribution come back it's "Hey why
did you do that?" As for slamming you that was a couple of months ago.
>I took my break, now it's your turn, kiddo. Come back after you loose
>the holier than thou attitude.
As for, my attitude, hmmm tried the nice guy route result = nowhere. Holier
than thou hmmm, perhaps I'm just too confident for my own well being. If you
don't like it, oh well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Nightlife Inc.
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In their final year, all Game Master students are required to take one semester
of Manical Laughter.
Spoof of the Far Side.
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Document Classified
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 16:44:13 -0600
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From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: Mailing list Digest ?
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At 20:07 7/12/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Hoi,
>
>Is there anybody else that find it a real pain if you don't check you
>mail like five times a day when you do you have to download a couple
>of hundred mails ... Most of the frankly of no worth or interest at
>all ...
For the second time in as many months. If you want to have discussions
about what you like, START THEM!
>would it be so hard to have like a daily digest instead ... sure it
>would come later than the mails but instead of getting all those
>"small" mails you would just get on alittle larger.
If you would take 5 minutes to read the FAQ, it wouldn't be hard.
>Even thou the main letter in it self is not very large the mail is.
>With all the information its contains about origin, time, datestamps
>and god knows all the other crap in there.
*Sob*
I'm so sorry you don't like it. How about you write an email program that
doesn't add these fields.. I mean, it won't actually DO anything without
some of those fields, but hell..
>I want a daily digest instead it would be so nice.
Email listserv@********.itribe.net
topic: none
body: set shadowrn digest
Read the Fucking FAQ!
-Adam
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"Can I have a cup of angst to go with my un-happy meal?" -- Hi & Lois
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 16:49:12 +0000
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From: VAEL <ltwiss@********.COM>
Subject: Hacking
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The following has a slight vein of SR, and is of a subject matter
that I'm sure many have opinions and I just wanted to hear your side.
I sat down last night to browes the movie 'Hackers' and it
got me thinking. (Big surprise!)
For one to 'hack' you need passcodes or an intricate knowledge of the
programming language of the system. (very rudimentary thinking I know,
but I'm trying to make a point.)
To hack into a system, you are essentially writing counter programs
and altering present information inside the mark system.
Do then ends justify the means?
For all the time needed and required to obtain knowledge of a mark
system, just to infiltrate it, isn't there an easier way of obtaining
the goods you are trying to 'borrow'?
Is 'hacking' a viable means of theft? Or is just easier to steal your
brothers birth certificate, go down to the DMV with some of his mail,
and get a drivers license with his name on it (but your picture),
just to get a visa card that you need?
And of high tech theft? With the knowledge gain through countless
hours of self taught computer programming, wouldn't it be easier just
to go get a job at Fujitsu and steal the info from the inside?
Vael
"One of the most terrible moments in a boy's life, is when he discovers
his father and mother are human beings who share a love that he
can never quite taste. It's a loss, an awakening to the fact that
the world is there and here and we are in it alone.
The moment carries it's own truth; you can't evade it."
- Duke Paul-Muad'Dib Atreides
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 23:47:13 +0100
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From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Mailing list Digest ?
In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19970712164413.006bd9f8@****.lis.ab.ca> from "Adam
J"
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|Read the Fucking FAQ!
I just told him to e-mail listserv for help.
That way, he shouldn't NEED to ask any questions about setting no-mail,
etc.....
And it forces them to use the ol' grey matter a little....
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|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 23:54:58 +0100
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From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Hacking
In-Reply-To: <199707122242.QAA15314@*****.cyberport.net> from "VAEL" at
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|Do then ends justify the means?
Sometimes, yes....
|For all the time needed and required to obtain knowledge of a mark
|system, just to infiltrate it, isn't there an easier way of obtaining
|the goods you are trying to 'borrow'?
Borrow? Implying you'll give it back some day???
LOL
|Is 'hacking' a viable means of theft?
Can be. Some systems today have howling security holes in them....
Unix for example.
Also, it's quite possibly to create a virus tagged to a peice of software
that auto-mails you the password of the poor idiot using the infected
stuff.....
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 18:03:23 +1000
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From: Jason & Deanna Rodhouse <jade@***.NET>
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Hello all.
I've been lurking for awhile and decided it was about time to get off my
fat a** and formally introduce myself. My name is Jason but you can
call me Pilgrim after my very first character Billy Pilgrim. I've been
playing SR for about 3-4yrs now and ever since I started I have heard
many a fable about THE LIST and the discussions therein. Only recently
have I acquired a computer to see what all the fuss was about. I have
not been disappointed and look forward to the future threads(thread
magic?:)). Anyway, cya later.
Pilgrim
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 17:05:18 -0600
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From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Shadowrun Fluffy? (Was: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,)
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At 12:58 7/12/97 -0400, you wrote:
>> Hrm. Sounds rather fun, actually.. Although I think my view of the
>> Shadowrun world is a bit more..err.. well, gruesome and nasty. FASA's
>> Shadowrun is a bit more fluffy and magical than I like.
>>
>> -Aj
>
>And, actually Aj, the idea of Shadowrun being a bit to "fluffy", well, I
>guess I can see where you are saying, however, look at the implications.
>
>SR had to pass the censorhip rules somehow...honourable doesn't exist in this
>example...
Obviously. Replace Drek with Shit and Frag with Fuck, and Shadowrun would
have never been sold in most bookstores on that reason alone.
And I can understand that. FASA has to make money, so if they have to tone
down the aspects that would have been 'questionable' to the normal public.
I think most gamers have a higher tolerance for things such as that, however..
Although I have met a few people online who get offended when I use 'fuck'
during a game..
-Adam
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 19:11:01 -0400
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From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Target: UCAS and Bug Stuff
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At 01:52 PM 7/12/97 -0700, The Spaceman wrote these timeless words:
># SPOILERS FOR TARGET UCAS!!! (Nothing about Granite, Fro, or Spikey
># though...:))
>
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># Wow, that is just truly hideous and foul... And gives me some GREAT ideas
># for adapting some of the older bug modules (I'm currently running Queen
># Euphoria, and plan to use some of United Brotherhood in the future...:))
>
> Yes! a chance to run _Total Eclipse_ with a new twist.........
Perhaps
>Twilight is _really_ a wasp/ant/whatever messing with Eclipse's mind. or
>Eclipse is really a 1)woman and 2)mantis shaman, and Twilight masks as a
mantid
>that got free. or something.....
>
Hehehehe.... I like it... Though I didn't like playing in it. Spiders
give me the serious creeps in RL, and I am *STILL* convinced that Spider is
nothing more than another bug, albeit one more similar to the Matids than
the "normal" bugs... But that's just me...;]
># My quotes were cool, though I only had 2, and for some reason I'm southern
># and from New Orleans... But I can live with that...;] It was still cool
># to be in the book... And they were kinda long quotes...:]:]
> You defended UCAS tho'. Perhaps I need to read it again, but I was
>under the impression you just liked N'awlins spirit or some such. I noticed
>Spike was still list.member.grumpy........
>
Well... I say "I like my southern brothers and sisters a lot and New
Orleans has to be the greatest city in the world...". This could be read a
couple of ways...
But I'll go with your theory... Bull's just relocated there and likes
it...;]:]
This is kinda amusing... Bull and Johnny are planning to buy a big boat
and become "pirates", and Mr. White and Sangre managed to make a deal for a
"Base" in New Orleans on the waterfront. This Base is a large Bar, and
will be a staging area and dock for our boat and our actibities in the
South...:]
So in essence, I'll be from new Orleans around Christmas, once Cyberpirates
and RBB2.0 comes out...:]
># That's about it. Looks like a good book over all... I look forward to
># reading the rest of it...;];]
>
> The Boston section struck me as being somewhat flat, a sort of rehash
>of other ideas. The only interesting thought was the catacombs, a sort of Ork
>Underground for everybody. Perhaps combine that with some of the X-Men story
>lines from back when I was into comic books (late eighties).
>
I liked the boston section,and it had some good points (namely the Salem
Witches and the Stock Exchange), but you''re right. It kinda had a stale
feeling to it. I think you can only make so many different cities before
they start looking the same.
Detroit was cool becuse of the stuff on Ares. More good insights on Ares,
and yet a little more on Echo Mirage (Namely the confirmation (Kind of)
that Damion Knight WAS in Echo Mirage uner a different name, aqnd they go
into what appears to be a rivalry between Dunky (When he was alive) and DK...
Chicago is the one that really interests me, as that's the one my Character
is the most involved with and interested in... With the CZ opening back
up, this leaves a lot of questions unanswered...
What happened to those bugs that have survived in the CZ despite the Strain 3?
Just how many damned bugs escaped the CZ, and where did they go? I have
the feeling we'll see another United Brotherhood type thing emerge, only
more secretive, and more localized. You'll have a similar organization in
every major city, doing sinmilar things, but under different names, and all
seemingly unconnected and unrelated to each other. that way if one is
discovered, the others won't be suspected. Maybe each "Hive" will run it's
own sect, rather than the hives cooperating like they did in UB...
What effect will Strain 3 beta have for the future? Anyone think we just
may have fragged up the Astral Plane yet again, creating yet another ay for
the Horrors or whatever to come through?
Too many questions, and too many things that will bother Bull.... A lot...;]
Bull
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 17:18:34 -0600
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From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Archive and Shadowlore (was Re: [SR3] Spell Rituals)
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At 11:33 7/12/97 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 97-07-11 01:52:12 EDT, M.J.Steedman@***.rgu.ac.uk (Mark
>Steedman) writes:
>
><snipped suggestions for "taking your time spellcasting"
>> >
>> On this how many people have seen the 'gathering magic rules'?
>> Shadowlore 1 i think if memory serves which give something like this
>> though the method of achieving it is quite different.
>>
>> Mark
>
>I haven't, but then I also haven't found/read the RN archives yet either...if
>such exist...
ShadowRN and other itribe mailing list archives.
ftp to listproc.itribe.net /pub
Shadowlore 1: Check Gurths site.. http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth
-Adam
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 19:23:34 -0400
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Subject: Re: Hello
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At 06:03 PM 7/12/97 +1000, Jason & Deanna Rodhouse wrote these timeless words:
>Hello all.
>I've been lurking for awhile and decided it was about time to get off my
>fat a** and formally introduce myself. My name is Jason but you can
>call me Pilgrim after my very first character Billy Pilgrim. I've been
>playing SR for about 3-4yrs now and ever since I started I have heard
>many a fable about THE LIST and the discussions therein. Only recently
>have I acquired a computer to see what all the fuss was about. I have
>not been disappointed and look forward to the future threads(thread
>magic?:)). Anyway, cya later.
>
Hoi there, Pilgrim...
Glad to have ya aboard. I goit quite a chuckle out of the "Fabled" LIST
comment... Glad to see the list has had that much of an impact on the
world of SR...:]
Well, here's your official greet from the resident List Ork...:]
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 17:38:20 -0600
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From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: Hello
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At 19:23 7/12/97 -0400, you wrote:
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>Questions?
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>Call 1-216-555-3004
Steve, I told you not to give out my damned number on the list!
:)
(Its not really my number, just a joke:)
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 19:43:41 -0400
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: flood
In a message dated 97-07-12 14:39:22 EDT, yasiu@******.COM (mARCiN sERkIES)
writes:
>
> News from Poland... My city is almost flooded. Council is panickaly trying
> to save oldest part of city full of churches, museums etc... my only acces
to
> the world is internet... i can`t make outside city phone calls...
>
> But i`m goin` to play tonight... i`m crazy :)
>
>
Yasiu, you are right, you ARE nuts. The US just had its entire northern
midwest go into floodland this spring, they'll tell you, get out of town and
be safe...
-K
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 19:45:26 -0400
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Centering vs Penalties (was Re: [SR3] Spell Rituals)
In a message dated 97-07-12 16:48:28 EDT, caric@********.COM (Caric) writes:
>
> Wouldn't there have to be something there with an aura? Even if it's just
> a chair or a marble that the sammie tossed? Unless it's a DM I would say
> that there has to be some targetmore precis then just "over there."
>
> -Caric
>
>
A good point. Perhaps some sort of "generic air" ruling needs to be
determined?
-K
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 19:47:37 -0400
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: cyberware and it's effects on the psyche and body
In a message dated 97-07-12 17:06:57 EDT, shadowrn@********.DEMON.CO.UK (Paul
J. Adam) writes:
>
> The leviathan resumes its patrol.
>
>
And the aircraft carrier "Spudzone" moves the other way...it was in
reserve...
-K
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 19:47:17 -0500
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From: "Bruce H. Nagel" <NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Heavy pistol damage
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You wrote:
> So, yeah, those who don't shoot need a little guidance on these matters.
I think a book or two on guns might give this sort of feel for things, as
might, say an issue or two of Guns & Ammo (Dad used to subscribe, my knowledge
is eclectic, lots of different places including some shooting).
> >And where do you fall in the SR strength scale?
> Call it a 4.
Yeah, and say a .50 is prolly 5 for comfortably shooting. You might even
introduce specially gunsmithed pistols that fire really overpowered cartridges
for Orks and Trolls, since they can handle more firepower. :)
> Remember the original Smith and Wesson .357 Magnum was marketed as only
> suitable for the shooter of larger than average stature...
Which many SR char's *are*, and do need the firepower due to the prevalence of
armor among corp- and underworld types.
> I know what you mean.
> I like the feel of the SR system, because it works for how we like to
> play our games: heavy pistols are dangerous even to armoured opponents,
> SMGs and assault rifles are deadly but not _too_ deadly, and so on.
> It's not realistic, but it's playable and it's readily adapted to the
> cinematic, John Woo-style firefights we like (wish fulfilment and
> fantasy, rather than gritty reality). I can see, though, why if you
> wanted a down-and-dirty game you'd prefer something more realistic.
Yep, exactly.
losthalo, who likes it when players realize how deadly the lives their
characters lead really are
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 19:53:11 -0500
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From: "Bruce H. Nagel" <NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Centering vs Penalties (was Re: [SR3] Spell Rituals)
In-Reply-To: "Your message dated Sat, 12 Jul 1997 06:56:08 -0700"
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You wrote:
> Wouldn't there have to be something there with an aura? Even if it's just
> a chair or a marble that the sammie tossed? Unless it's a DM I would say
> that there has to be some targetmore precis then just "over there."
If it's a physical spell, well, everything has an aura. I'd say wherever your
eyes were focused at would be the center, and it wouldn't necessarily have to
be an object. Some good control of your focal length would let you put a spell
wherever you could LOS it.
losthalo
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 19:58:12 -0400
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Adult Themes (was: Mysticism; was: Bring out your...)
In a message dated 97-07-12 18:49:03 EDT, caric@********.COM (Caric) writes:
>
> K, I wouldn't worry about it too much, I don't think that Losthalo was
> offended, at least I didn't get that impression, I would hope that he
knows
> that a spell such as Orgasm is there to enrich our game world in a fun
way.
> If he doesn't agree with it that certainly his option and he should go
> with it. I personally think it's a hoot that's why I design it, but if
> noone else in the universe ever uses it then so be it, no skin off my
nose.
> As far as the adult content I think that we are all mature enough to
> handle it (even 'lil baby Fro :) , but I think this thread is pretty much
> dead anyway so it's probab;y a moot point.
>
> -Caric
>
I knew that, now where's my security blankey!!!! (noticing the typing
program is on, DAMN!!!)...okay, now to our regularly scheduled blasting...
-K
on another note, is anyone getting my ending signature? J. Keith Henry,
Ancient Runner, blah blah blah...?
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 19:07:21 +1000
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From: Jason & Deanna Rodhouse <jade@***.NET>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Fetish & Exclusive Spells (suggestions)
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(rummaging through closet)-"I know its in here somewhere...I really
don't want to talk abou.. Oh, there you are!(patts at large dusty bag)
Boy, I haven't used you in awhile(sound of zipper unzipping)Ack you
smell musty! Ah well, it won't be for long."(sound of rustling fur)
The Rules Monkey emerges-
On Sat, 12 Jul 1997 11:29:25 -0400 J. Keith Henry wrote:
>WRONG!!! Check out the rules for creating Geasa for Physical Adepts. >If an Adept
decides to limit how a power or his magic in general >works, he gets a +25% to his
magic point total. These geasa are NOT >things that can be removed by initiation.
Awakenings and Grimoire >both have details on this. I suggest you reread things.
There ARE >bonuses guy.
Actually, the rules in Awakenings state that a geasa may be placed
upon a single power or many. The bonus this confer is a .75 percent
reduction in the cost of that ability. If the geasa is broken then that
ability will not work at all. You could take the same geasa for all your
abilities or a different geasa for each one. You can also choose to have
geasa affect only some of your abilities.
On page 114, under Removing Geasa. It states that a character may
choose to remove a geasa upon achieving a new initiate grade. However,
he must at that time be able to pay the cost difference in magic points.
If he can, then he can use the ability unrestricted. If he can't pay it
off at that time, he has to wait until he gets the karma to do so. The
PA can only shed one geasa from one power per grade of initiation. This,
of course, does not apply to a geasa as an ordeal.
As an ordeal for PAs, the geasa cannot be shed and only affects one or
more of the PA's existing powers whose total cost equals .5 magic
points. A physical magician can choose to go the above route or have it
affect all of his magical abilities(ie. spellcasting,cojuring,etc).
Whew! This monkey suit is HOT! Thanks for listening.
Pilgrim
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 19:57:07 -0500
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From: "Bruce H. Nagel" <NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,or Bring out
yourSpells,Bringout your spells!!!]
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You wrote:
> So are control thoughts, emotions, and pretty much any other mind control
> spell. I would certainly rather have an orgasm then have someone traipsing
> through my mind ala Mind Probe.
Did you hear me compare it to those others? No. I'm talking about the use of
that spell. Sure Control Thoughts, et al. are not exactly ethical (neither is
putting lead through people at sonic velocities). I just think that
deliberately humiliating someone in a way that many people feel is worse than
physical violence, shouldn't be a joke. Talking about how 'would you rather
get hurt or have an orgasm?' assumes that having an orgasm is something
everyone would prefer... you're projecting your preferences.
> | > orgasm and get tired or burn to death as your head explodes?
> |
> | That really isn't the point. 'Would you rather be raped or murdered?'
> isn't a
> | fair choice, neither is something you should do to someone, eh? Some
> people
> | view sex pretty seriously, and this would be an extreme violation, doing
> it to
> | someone against their will (as opposed to voluntarily, which is an
> original and
> | interesting idea :) is the equivalent of taking control of their most
> personal
> | thoughts and desires. Not nice.
> Actuall "would you rather be raped or mudered?" Has been answered by
> several people I know with the later quite seriously. It's not making
> anyone have sex with someone else as a controlling manipulation would, and
> it in know way takes control of any thoughts or desires...I can't see it
> being all that different from making someone wet their pants. It's a
> bodily function and one that happens to feel good.
Umm... orgasm is primarily a mental activity, contrary to popular belief. It
is not a physiological response, despite perceptions to the contrary. And just
because no physical penetration occurs doesn't make it not rape, in this
instance...
The idea of being forced ot experience and orgasm by a copmplete stranger
doesn't bother you? You can't see why it would really freak someone out?
losthalo
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 20:03:31 -0400
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Changing the System (Was [SR3] Magical Magic)
In a message dated 97-07-12 19:00:14 EDT, mike.paff@*****.COM writes:
> Spell: ManaMunch
> Base Damange: D
> Base Drain: D
> Range: LOS (no drain mod)
> Type: Mana (no drain mod)
> Damage Staging: 3 (-1 Drain Category)
> Drain Staging: 2 (no drain mod)
> Final Drain: (F/2)S2
> Damage Code: (F)D3
>
> Using the standard SR II rules, if the caster gets 1 success and the
target
> gets 2, there is no effect (and I have no problem with this). The caster
> still
> must resist drain.
>
>
I am suddenly uncertain if I put forth the original idea correctly. 1
Success by the magician indicates base damage, oh I get it...that screw up in
the game staging loopholes now...okay, let's go for the gusto of it....I
think I could bend the rules a bit so that the caster had to get more
successes...oh hold on...
I get the point...it wasn't the effect I was trying to get though, I keep
forgetting a thing I use in my own house rules as well.
-K
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 20:05:17 -0400
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Changing the System (Was [SR3] Magical Magic) Part 2
In a message dated 97-07-12 19:00:14 EDT, you write:
>
> However, a house rule that has been discussed lately would require the
> target to stage the damage all the way down to take no damage. With this
> rule, the caster would only need one success to cast the spell, and the
> target
> would need 13 successes to take no damage (1 to negate the caster's
success
> and 3 per damage category D->S->M->L->None) and the caster would face
> Serious
> drain. Using a standard damage staging of 2 and this house rule, the
target
> would need 9 successes to take no damage (1 to negate the caster's success
> and 2 per damage category D->S->M->L->None) and the caster would face
Deadly
> drain.
>
> I hope this makes my warning a little clearer.
>
> Mike Paff
>
It did, but the problem ALWAYS existed in SR concerning base damage codes of
"D", regardless of the source. Perhaps I "typod" the Damage Staging,
I'm not
certain. I guess I'm also just a bit harder on the players concerning the
creation of "D" damage spells. (shrug)
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 20:07:51 -0400
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Fluffy? (Was: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,)
In a message dated 97-07-12 19:38:23 EDT, fro@***.AB.CA (Adam J) writes:
>
> Although I have met a few people online who get offended when I use 'fuck'
> during a game..
>
> -Adam
> --
>
Actually, wasn't there an Ork bodyguard in a book that said something like
"How Quaint...he said Fuck..."
-K
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 20:12:11 -0500
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From: "Bruce H. Nagel" <NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,or Bring out your Spells,Bring
out your spells
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You wrote:
> OOOHHH Big fight topic here at the home game. Responsible Magicians....that
> sounds like a flame war or worse in the making...
I'm just talking about the fact that people are treating lightly something that
to some would really mess them up. A lot of people are really sensitive about
sex, though many don't realize this. They think that everyone would rather be
having sex, because they would, and that anyone would like an orgasm 'free of
charge', and that it's just funny... If you held someone down and stimulated
them (without permission) until they had an orgasm, would it be wrong? Really
wrong? This is the same thing, you just don't have to touch them because magic
will let you do it... Someone did that to me, they'd better watch their back.
losthalo
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 20:34:47 +0500
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From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Mailing list Digest ?
In-Reply-To: <10459.199707122247@******.teach.cs.keele.ac.uk>
On 12 Jul 97 at 23:47, Spike wrote:
> And it forces them to use the ol' grey matter a little....
Problem is, Spikey, his asinine spew showed that he had no grey
matter.
--
==DREKHEAD=======================================================
drekhead@***.net --- http://users.aol.com/drekhead/home.html ---
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 20:57:14 -0700
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Organization: Tin Roses
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> > I don't see much of a reason that visual modifiers should affect
> > spellcasting at all: the mage 'glances' into the Astral, where things
> > like smoke and glare don't exist, and locks the spell to the target.
> Yes they *do*. Vision in astral is no clearer or less obstructed than in the
> mundane world. Everything exists there visually the same as it does in this
> world. Everything has an aura, else it couldn't be affected by spells...
That would seem to raise a number of problems - the spell would have to
pass through other auras before grounding out into its target.
I see some problems with allowing glare to effect the Astral.
Everything is backlit with the glow of radiant life energy, not physical
lightbulbs; I don't have the source but I believe the commments made
where a sparse concrete cell lit by a bare bulb would appear Astrally
dark (the rare situation where visual modifiers do come into play). I
don't believe the question was ever answered, whether lasers (and,
following, floodlights) generate Elemental Light, which I might see
crossing over to Astral.
Smoke is a bit problematic, since water and fire both appear in Astral.
Treat it as individual molecules? Each 'cloud' as its own Aura? If
they are Astrally present, they can't be seen through; Astral should be
much harder to see through, than much easier.
Ahhh. This is why we want better Astral descriptions in SR3!
Getting back to the issue at hand, it's the _spell_ that does the
targeting, not the mage, and (combat) spells are assumed to hit
unerringly (otherwise everything's reduced to a DM). The _spell_
certainly doesn't worry about a bit of night-fog.
To me, it would become an either/or situation: either you can make out
the aura distinctly, or there's so much detritus in the way that the
aura is indistinguishable. But 'partly' just doesn't fit. (Or do you
only 'partly' synchronize your aura to the targets? Oh, that opens up a
box frogs....)
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 21:18:31 -0400
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Fetish & Exclusive Spells (suggestions)
Comments: To: jade@***.net
In a message dated 97-07-12 20:18:02 EDT, jade@***.net (Jason & Deanna
Rodhouse) writes:
>
> Whew! This monkey suit is HOT! Thanks for listening.
>
> Pilgrim
>
>
An enchanter reaches out and hands the Monkey a banana..."Hey, you're just
some guy in musty fur !!! " (snags his hand back before the rabid nature
comes out... ;)
-Keith
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 21:19:47 -0400
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,
In a message dated 97-07-12 20:23:25 EDT, u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK (Spike)
writes:
>
> True, but Blood Magic also exists in SR.
> The only types of blood magic in EarthDawn available to Player Characters
is
> OATH magic, where they swear on their blood on something.
> If they keep the Oath for a year, some bonus is gained. If they break the
> oath, they gain a permanent scar on their body (usually forehead) in the
> shape recognisable as OATHBREAKER....
>
> All nasty forms of Blood Magic are for NPC use only...
>
Unless of course the game group wants to get into the truly Gray or Shadow
areas of magic as well. Level of Game Play (NOT Wanting to starting that
argument back up again)...not with standing.
-Keith
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 21:24:32 -0400
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Fetish & Exclusive Spells (suggestions)
In a message dated 97-07-12 20:33:25 EDT, u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK (Spike)
writes:
>
> Don't look at *ME* like that!
> :)
Who would you like me to look at? You're prettier than the wallpaper (though
the Pathfinder Image paper I got now is pretty cool), so maybe you
aren't...(pondering with a wicked grin on his face).
>
> Look, when I GM I allow bonuses only on things like Foci/fetishes/etc.
> I don't recall seeing it anywhere in the rules stating that mages can
CHOOSE
> to have a Geas in order to gain some benefit.
Someone else jumped in on that behalf for me. And I understand the breakdown
in communication. I think it probably falls under the "Shadowrun Rules
Vagueness" thingy/stuff...
>
> Please. Before you start saying "Stop skimming the rules and read deeply",
> would you at least quote chapter and verse?
Oh, we're going to get that picky eh???? ( ;} I'm sorry, I constantly
forget that everyone doesn't remember the 'carp' like I do. Yeah okay, I've
graduated from rules lawyer to rules volume keeper here. I think it happened
about 8 years ago. Don't mean to come across as a snob or jerk. Sorry
(holds out his hand to be slapped, LIGHTLY slapped, heavier stuff turns me
on)
>
> And if it's from Awakenings, then I can't skim read it, because I don't
have
> it....
> --
ACK!!! Heathen!!! Pagan!!! You, You, NON GAMER FANATIC YOU!!! ~)
-Keith
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 01:53:14 +0100
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From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowrn@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Heavy pistol damage
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In message <01IL5TCUASFU9I4QDC@******.acs.muohio.edu>, "Bruce H. Nagel"
<NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU> writes
>You wrote:
>> So, yeah, those who don't shoot need a little guidance on these matters.
>I think a book or two on guns might give this sort of feel for things, as
>might, say an issue or two of Guns & Ammo (Dad used to subscribe, my knowledge
>is eclectic, lots of different places including some shooting).
Yep: but who buys Guns and Ammo? Shooters. Guess who's becoming an
endangered species here in Britain? I had to hand my pistol in last
weekend; by October pistol shooting is something that only the Army, the
police and criminals do.
It's getting hard to find even Gun Mart in newsagents here, let alone
anything more exciting.
>> >And where do you fall in the SR strength scale?
>> Call it a 4.
>Yeah, and say a .50 is prolly 5 for comfortably shooting. You might even
>introduce specially gunsmithed pistols that fire really overpowered cartridges
>for Orks and Trolls, since they can handle more firepower. :)
That's something I feel the SR system lacks. A Troll should be able to
conceal and handle - for instance - a revolver chambered for 12-gauge
shotgun ammo as easily as a burly human could manage a .44 Magnum or a
Desert Eagle.
>> Remember the original Smith and Wesson .357 Magnum was marketed as only
>> suitable for the shooter of larger than average stature...
>Which many SR char's *are*, and do need the firepower due to the prevalence of
>armor among corp- and underworld types.
No argument there, it's just jarring when you see Body 2, Strength 1
characters (a rigger) using a Ruger Super Warhawk.
--
There are four kinds of homicide: felonious, excusable, justifiable and
praiseworthy...
Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 21:29:14 -0400
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Getting Over It (was lots of flame war topic stuff)
In a message dated 97-07-12 21:01:07 EDT, chaos@*****.COM (Bull) writes:
>
> And silver? You really don;t want to start pissing off poeple like Spike.
> A) he *IS* the official list.member.grumpy for a reason, and B) He's
well
> liked by the list.
>
> Get over yourself.
>
> Bull
>
Hey guys, I started it, I said I was sorry...GEESH...Silver, thanks for
standing up to things a bit, but Bull is correct. You're comments were
enjoyed by some of us, but taken by granted as well (AOL for example gives a
listing of the mail topics, and allows for pick and choose).
-Keith
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 19:18:06 PDT
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From: Benjamin <benjamin@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 12 Jul 1997 13:05:32 PDT."
<10315.199707122005@******.teach.cs.keele.ac.uk>
>True, but Blood Magic also exists in SR.
>The only types of blood magic in EarthDawn available to Player Characters is
>OATH magic, where they swear on their blood on something.
>If they keep the Oath for a year, some bonus is gained. If they break the
>oath, they gain a permanent scar on their body (usually forehead) in the
>shape recognisable as OATHBREAKER....
>
>All nasty forms of Blood Magic are for NPC use only...
Actually, lots of things require characters (P and NP) to take
permanent damage.
Try telling me that's not blood magic.
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 19:19:44 PDT
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From: Benjamin <benjamin@*****.COM>
Subject: "ROFLMAOKTDATPB!!!!"? (was: Re: cyberware and it's effects on the
psyche and body )
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 12 Jul 1997 13:29:19 PDT."
<199707122029.NAA16388@****tod-101.bryant.webtv.net>
>>My god, he'll ask about grounding next...
>ROFLMAOKTDATPB!!!!!
"ROFLMAOKTDATPB!!!!"?
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 19:21:04 -0800
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From: Skye Comstock <bilbo@****.NWLINK.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Fluffy? (Was: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,)
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>Actually, wasn't there an Ork bodyguard in a book that said something like
>"How Quaint...he said Fuck..."
Yeah... I seem to remember that. The idea that 'Fuck' just kind of
whithered away sometime during the past 50 years is a little silly,
it's not like the Crash of '29 was *that* bad. :) There are a few
novels that have characters say 'shit' and 'fuck' and I happen
to like it that way. In my games, I always say shit and fuck,
and that's just the way it is. I'm not 9 (Although some people
probably think I act like it sometimes.), so I'll continue to
use these horrible words. :)
-Skye, "Wow, that was a really wizzer job you did on the drek
eating frag-face, natch!" :P
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 19:31:15 PDT
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From: Benjamin <benjamin@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Fluffy? (Was: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 12 Jul 1997 17:07:51 PDT."
<970712200750_409997526@*******.mail.aol.com>
>Actually, wasn't there an Ork bodyguard in a book that said something like
>"How Quaint...he said Fuck..."
Actually, K, i think that exchange went something like:
Dirk:Get the fuck out of my apartment.
Ork(?):How quaint. You said fuck.
Dirk:How quaint. You formed a complete sentence. Get the fuck out of my aparment.
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 19:30:36 -0800
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From: Skye Comstock <bilbo@****.NWLINK.COM>
Subject: Re: Hacking
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>The following has a slight vein of SR, and is of a subject matter
>that I'm sure many have opinions and I just wanted to hear your side.
>
>I sat down last night to browes the movie 'Hackers' and it
>got me thinking. (Big surprise!)
"Hackers" and think in the same sentence... Whoa. :) It's about
as hard as this "Paranoid Android" song on the radio...
>For one to 'hack' you need passcodes or an intricate knowledge of the
>programming language of the system. (very rudimentary thinking I know,
>but I'm trying to make a point.)
Right. (I'm not a hacker, I just know some stuff, very little,
so brush me off if you feel the need.)
>To hack into a system, you are essentially writing counter programs
>and altering present information inside the mark system.
Pretty much.
>Do then ends justify the means?
It all depends on the person...
>For all the time needed and required to obtain knowledge of a mark
>system, just to infiltrate it, isn't there an easier way of obtaining
>the goods you are trying to 'borrow'?
It's probably easier than shooting the place up and running off
with the server. :]
>Is 'hacking' a viable means of theft? Or is just easier to steal your
>brothers birth certificate, go down to the DMV with some of his mail,
>and get a drivers license with his name on it (but your picture),
>just to get a visa card that you need?
There are probably easier ways of getting 'money' than that, but
getting a Visa card doesn't exactly get me off. <g>
>And of high tech theft? With the knowledge gain through countless
>hours of self taught computer programming, wouldn't it be easier just
>to go get a job at Fujitsu and steal the info from the inside?
I basically think that most "hackers" get off on breaking the system
that they have no access to. Doing an inside job just wouldn't
take as much skill, and wouldn't be as risky. The harder the
challenge, the bigger the thrill, I would think. I happen to
get off and racing people on the streets and getting away with
it, I'm sure hackers get off just as much by breaking a system,
and getting away with it.
Hackers do it because they love it, not because it's trendy or
cool, you know. Shadowrun hackers must get an extreme rush
after whooping a piece of Black ICE or cracking a big system.
-Skye
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 00:59:54 -0500
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From: "Bruce H. Nagel" <NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,or Bring out
yourSpells,Bringout your spells!
In-Reply-To: "Your message dated Sat, 12 Jul 1997 10:09:17 -0700"
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You wrote:
> K, I wouldn't worry about it too much, I don't think that losthalo was
> offended, at least I didn't get that impression, I would hope that he knows
> that a spell such as Orgasm is there to enrich our game world in a fun way.
> If he doesn't agree with it that certainly his option and he should go
> with it. I personally think it's a hoot that's why I design it, but if
> noone else in the universe ever uses it then so be it, no skin off my nose.
> As far as the adult content I think that we are all mature enough to
> handle it (even 'lil baby Fro :) , but I think this thread is pretty much
> dead anyway so it's probab;y a moot point.
Personally I think anyone who uses the spell carelessly should someday look up
to find a shotgun in their face... "Pretty funny, eh?" ;) ...boom...
It's the sort of revenge one of my characters would have done. Give them a
little return on their investment of time and effort, you know? Then again, I
once had a PC blow away another PC in Call of Cthulhu just because he'd decided
he wanted to become a cultist of Nyarlathotep, not because his SAN was that
low, but because he wanted personal power. :) Man, that was a fun group to
game with.
losthalo
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 01:04:12 -0500
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From: "Bruce H. Nagel" <NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Changing the System (Was [SR3] Magical Magic)
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You wrote:
> I like the design rules, they just need some more guidelines for helping in
> creating color and depth...
I know I'm stealing the saying from *somewhere*, but...
Just say no.
No complex rule-snipping and pasting, no guarding against the munchkin, just
say no. It's easy, after a while..
losthalo
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 01:11:24 -0500
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From: "Bruce H. Nagel" <NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Centering vs Penalties (was Re: [SR3] Spell Rituals)
In-Reply-To: "Your message dated Sun, 13 Jul 1997 05:39:50 +1000"
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You wrote:
> This is the case for grounding a spell from the astral plane, yes. However,
> it is not the case for casting an area of effect spell at targets on the
> plane that the caster is currently in.
Yes. :)
> I'm a little confused by this. If an area of effect spell is being cast at
> a group of people, then it affects each on individualy. The affect (or lack
> thereof) of the spell on one person does not change the affect of the spell
> on another. As for the requirement to see all the targets of a spell, it
> has to do with the "synchonising araus" thing - you can't affect a target
> that you cannot synchronise with (exception: DM spells).
An area effect spell is indeed cast on an area, all valid targets in that area
that the caster can see. The center merely tells where the sphere is centered,
that's all.
> Although the caster does need to see the targets of a spell to affect them,
> you bring up a good point. Since the spell caster does a quick switch to
> astral perception to synchronise auras with the target of the spell, it
> would seem logical that many of the situation modifiers (lighting in
> particular) would be irrelevent. Modifiers due to smoke, mist, or rain
> would still apply, as these distort and block vision on the astral plane the
> same as they do on the physical, however. The only real reason I can think
> of right now for still including the vision lightin modifiers in spell
> casting is that the quick action of astral perception that the spell caster
> undertakes to synchronise auras is only quick enough to synchronise auras,
> not significant enough to allow readjustment of targetting. If the
> targetting is poor, perhaps due to being unable to see that target clearly,
> then the synchronisation will also be poor.
And the fact that you must see the target *with*mundane*senses* on the physical
plane, if the target is not astral, in order to cast a spell at them. Period.
Seeing them by assensing, even though there's always light to see by in Astral,
doesn't count. Your physical eyes must see the target to form the momentary
bridge from astral to physical (completing the circuit, as it were).
> As for the requirement to "centre" spells on a target, I always used to run
> it that spells other than DMs had such a requirement. However, upon
> looking, I cannot find where I obtained this ruling from (perhaps 1st Ed?).
A tiny example on Quickening spells in Grim1 (that I think carried over to
Grim2) which mentions Rikki Ratboy Quickening a spell on a bar patron to
Quicken it to the site; a Stink spell, it was). This may be in the example not
because of something about area spells but rather a requirement for Quickening.
> Also, I cannot really see any reason that a comabt spell requires that the
> centre of its affect be a specific target of the spell. After all, its is
> just pumping energy into the auras of all targets within its area of affect
> - why should it need one at the centre?
*nod*
losthalo
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 01:17:44 -0500
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From: "Bruce H. Nagel" <NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,
In-Reply-To: "Your message dated Sat, 12 Jul 1997 21:05:32 +0100"
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You wrote:
> |You are correct in that rules notification. Which is the other reason I am
> |desirous of Earthdawn never getting a really good conversion to SR going.
> | The ED system uses blood magic of every kind I think.
> True, but Blood Magic also exists in SR.
> The only types of blood magic in EarthDawn available to Player Characters is
> OATH magic, where they swear on their blood on something.
> If they keep the Oath for a year, some bonus is gained. If they break the
> oath, they gain a permanent scar on their body (usually forehead) in the
> shape recognisable as OATHBREAKER....
Ummm, no. What about Blood Charms, and abilities from the Companion for
gaining abilities in certain Disciplines, and some spellcasting abilities, and
Strain, and... get the idea? Lots of things in ED are blood magic, it's in a
lot of different forms.
losthalo, sort-of running ED right now...
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 01:23:43 -0500
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From: "Bruce H. Nagel" <NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Hacking
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> And of high tech theft? With the knowledge gain through countless
> hours of self taught computer programming, wouldn't it be easier just
> to go get a job at Fujitsu and steal the info from the inside?
In SR, print is nearly dead. Computers do too much to perform many kinds of
theft without knowledge of them. You can't steal cash, only valuables, etc.
Stealing important info usually means interacting with computers to some
extent.
losthalo
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 01:40:22 -0500
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From: "Bruce H. Nagel" <NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Heavy pistol damage
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You wrote:
> >Which many SR char's *are*, and do need the firepower due to the prevalence of
> >armor among corp- and underworld types.
> No argument there, it's just jarring when you see Body 2, Strength 1
> characters (a rigger) using a Ruger Super Warhawk.
Tell him about how much he hurts his hand, let him roleplay finding a smaller,
more reasonable gun. This is a roleplaying game, the rules can't do it all.
Even Rolemaster didn't take care of everything, and it tried pretty blamed hard
to.
And if he argues 'The rules don't say I can't'... tell him to do the math. Big
people sometimes don't like the big magnums because of the kick, let alone
scrawny folks. This is really common sense, and doesn't need to be spelled out
in the rules. If the GM realizes it's silly, he lets the players know, and if
they continue packing Magnums, let them hurt their hands, suffer T# penalties,
whatever if game mechanics are the only things that move them.
losthalo
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 23:49:29 -0600
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From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: Hacking
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At 01:23 7/13/97 -0500, you wrote:
>In SR, print is nearly dead. Computers do too much to perform many kinds of
>theft without knowledge of them. You can't steal cash, only valuables, etc.
>Stealing important info usually means interacting with computers to some
>extent.
I would disagree with this one. I thought that the 'Paperless' office was
supposed to have already happened, but I don't see it.. My 'office', as it
is, is piled high with paper. Print outs, magazines, books, everything. I
realize the matrix is supposed to be integrated much more than todays
computer networks, but I can still see stacks of paper and books on peoples
desks.
-Aj
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 02:00:14 -0400
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Dan Coffin once dared to write,
>I was listening to some of my CDs and remarking how some of the tunes =
would
>be appropriate for background use in Shadowrun games. Anyone else use =
music
>with their games?
Let's see who all follows me on all this.
Music isn't a standard practice with me so this is what the =
occasional music play could go like.
- General ambient background music -
Akira soundtrack
Bladerunner soundtrack (Vangelis version)
Crow (score)
Black Aria by Glen Danzig
Drawings of O.T. by Einstürzende Neubauten
Passion by Peter Gabriel
Interview with a Vampire soundtrack (except the last song)
Twin Peaks and Twin Peaks - Fire Walk with Me
Deep Forest by Deep Forest
Bubblegum Crisis soundtracks and any other Anime type albums
- Specific moods / more dominance for listening -
Outside by David Bowie
anything by Cabaret Voltaire
Ice T and/or Body Count
Johnny Mnemonic soundtrack
anything by Joy Division
Anything by Ministry post-Twitch (although Twitch is good too)
Mortal Kombat soundtrack
early Skinny Puppy
Crow soundtrack
anything by Nine Inch Nails
(the Quake "soundtrack" is good so I've been told)
Portishead, Tricky, or Ruby (trip-hop and such)
Prodigy, Chemical Brothers, or Orbital
Clan of Xymox by Xymox
First and Last and Always by Sisters of Mercy
Oil and Gold by Shreikback
Sex Pistols, Repo Man soundtrack, and any old school punk
Goth Box compilation from Cleopatra records is also very good
I don't know if it helped but it gives a slight insight into my music =
tastes at least. What works really does depend on your tastes. I =
always thought Happiness is a Warm Gun by the Beatles would be a good =
tune for a "Shadowrun soundtrack".
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 00:18:17 -0600
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At 02:00 7/13/97 -0400, you wrote:
>anything by Nine Inch Nails
> (the Quake "soundtrack" is good so I've been told)
It is, although its more generic than other NiN stuff, no lyrics besides
some screaming and stuff. Its also very long and doesn't vary much, so out
of the 70-odd minutes, you can't really discern different tracks.
Excellent stuff to play as background noise during a meet or something like
that, I would think.
I once thought of actually recording 'crowd noise', say at a food court in
a shopping mall, or something like that, but never got around to it.
-Adam
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 02:33:29 -0400
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Commlink
In a message dated 97-07-12 21:56:11 EDT, jhigham@******.STUDENT.CWRU.EDU
(Josh Higham) writes:
>
> 1) I was looking at cyber groupings offered in the NAGEE I-IV compiled
> archive, and was interested in one of the communications packages, and
> was also trying to use the info to get a better grasp on what the
> Commlink is/does. However, the essence costs for each package do not
> match up (ie the raw cost listed in parens is not what I get if I add the
> items together). Since the costs for other groups were fine, and it was
> off for every comm package, I'm wondering if there was something that I
> was missing.
I am uncertain exactly, but back when Danny wrote the first of the NAGEE's,
there was talk of comsuite package deals. It never made it to SR formal
like. I remember them well.
>
> 2) I was told that the commlink let you not use your hands (this may
> have been before I said it was cyberware, because it doesn't make sense
> in that context) and that it lets you speak subvocally, which doesn't
> make sense because at least for the telephone, it already allows
> subvocally use.
There is in the Cybertechnology book, the Cybercom, which is something that
allows for direct neural control of the cyber radio. Never mind that the
original radio was cyberware and thus a bit beyond standard hand's reach
anyway.
>
> 3) I think it might allow use of extra items (anti-jamming eq or such).
>
> Anyway, If it is ok I would like the description of the item, or some
> clear indication on how it is used in conjunction with a radio, crypto
> circuit, and scramble breaker.
Encryption adds to the "signature" of the radio frequency. Kind of like the
target number a GM gives someone for the Stealth targets. Normal radio
(unencrypted) has a signature of 0. That is the Crypto-Circuit you mention.
Scramble Breaker reduces the target number for the signature.
Another character using active skills (such as Electronics/Radio Sciences
(concentration thereof) can modify this test, making it an opposed (user vs.
user/system) test.
-Keith
(I remember Danny Stratton very well. He and I worked on a lot things
together. Compressed Fuel Tanks ... Sleepwalker Cyberware ... Engine Mods
... Essential Sorcery ... and it all predated the SR stuff ... Damn, now
those are nostalgic memories ... real tears here)
>
> Thanks.
>
>
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 02:35:04 -0400
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Fluffy? (Was: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,)
In a message dated 97-07-12 22:56:00 EDT, benjamin@*****.COM (Benjamin)
writes:
>
> Actually, K, i think that exchange went something like:
>
> Dirk:Get the fuck out of my apartment.
> Ork(?):How quaint. You said fuck.
> Dirk:How quaint. You formed a complete sentence. Get the fuck out of my
> aparment.
>
>
That's it, yeah...
-K (who's fighting back tears for something at the moment)
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Subject: Re: Shadowrun Fluffy? (Was: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,)
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>> Actually, K, i think that exchange went something like:
>>
>> Dirk:Get the fuck out of my apartment.
>> Ork(?):How quaint. You said fuck.
>> Dirk:How quaint. You formed a complete sentence. Get the fuck out of my
>> aparment.
>>
>>
>That's it, yeah...
>-K (who's fighting back tears for something at the moment)
Yeah. One of my fav. SR lines ever.
-DeathHawkBlackWindIceShadow - Lurker Extrodinare!
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Subject: Ripples of Rape (OT: was Bring out your spells...)
In a message dated 97-07-13 02:34:51 EDT, NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU
(Bruce H. Nagel) writes:
> Umm... orgasm is primarily a mental activity, contrary to popular belief.
> It
> is not a physiological response, despite perceptions to the contrary. And
> just
> because no physical penetration occurs doesn't make it not rape, in this
> instance...
> The idea of being forced ot experience and orgasm by a copmplete stranger
> doesn't bother you? You can't see why it would really freak someone out?
>
> losthalo
>
Okay folks, back down please. The idea of "point and blow", though humorous
in a demented sort of sense, also has it's implications to the otherwise.
I guess though that is something that most people will never have to
encounter (the magical rape anyway).
And while I'm thinking of it...Halo, Bull, guys, remember when I posted that
the conversation had long standing ripple effects in my games here? Well
behold, you are all now involved in "the ripple effect" as well.
-Keith
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 01:47:14 -0600
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Well, I finally got these done up.. there's nothing earth shaking, and I
haven't written the rules for the Etiquette skill web, or the skill web
itself, but here goes. Comments and critisisms welcome and encouraged.
Revised Shadowrun Etiquette rules
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As written, the Shadowrun Second Edition etiquette rules are rather
confusing, and worse, flawed. Many people have differing interpretations
of these rules. These alternate rules hopefully clear up any confusion.
Current problems: etiquette requires a concentration, but has no general
skill. Characters may only have one concentration at CharGen, but does
that count for etiquette? When buying a 'new' etiquettequette skill, is it
at normal costs, or concentration costs?
Proposed changes:
The following etiquette skills are now general skills
Etiquette (Gang)
Etiquette (Street)
Etiquette (Corporate)
Etiquette (Criminal)
Etiquette (Matrix)
Etiquette (Tribal)
Etiquette (Culture)
Etiquette (Goverment)
Feel free to add or remove these as you see fit, however adding many more
can affect game balance.
These skills are raised in cost like any other general skill
"Rating * 2 = Cost"
If you are trying to raise an etiquette skill which you don't have exposure
to at the current time, the cost is "Rating * Modifier * 1.5 = Cost"
The modifier will differ if the etiquette skill is a general,
concentration, or specialization.
Example: Bluto has etiquette (Matrix):3 and wishes to raise it to 4,
however his deck is toast, so he can't be online for the next 3 weeks,
while raising the bucks for a new MCMP. He tries to keep abreast on recent
matrix events by watching matrix oriented trid shows and reading
Deckmeister magazine. He needs to spend 12 Karma to raise his skill to 4.
4 * 2 * 1.5 = 12
New Rating * General Skill Modifier * 1.5 for no exposure to etiquette
enviroment.
Basic Etiquette Skills
----------------
Gang, Matrix, Corporate, Tribal, Street, Goverment, Tribal, Culture
Etiquette (Gang): The character can function in a street or go-gang
enviroment. He can name the leaders of the main gangs in the sprawl and
knows where to find the names of the others. He knows which gang is coming
his way when he see's purple jackets and black bikes coming his way.
Concentrations: Per gang.
Examples:
Etiquette (Gang) (Red Spiders), Etiquette (Gang) Red Hot Nukes
Etiquette (Matrix): You can operate in the matrix without making an ass of
yourself. You can name important online places, personalities, and know
how to behave in those places.
Concentrations: Per location or 'other'
Examples:
Etiquette (Matrix) (Mailing lists), Etiquette (Matrix) (Neuro Blade)
Etiquette (Matrix) (Crime)
Etiquette (Corporation): You understand how the various corps work and how
they interact. You can name the big 8, some of their subsidaries, and you
know if they bow or shake hands after doing business.
Concentrations: Per corporation or facet of business.
Examples:
Etiquette (Corporation) (Ares), Etiquette (Corporation) (Overseas trade)
Etiquette (Street): You can live in the back alleys and undergrounds of
the sprawls. You understand that the street is alive and growing, and you
can adapt to it. You can track down someone who can get you a gun, and
maybe find some kindered souls to help you out.
etiquette (Street) is very close to etiquette (Gang), and etiquette
(Criminal), so they can be somewhat intertwined.
Concentrations: Per area or location. Its a more generic skill than the
other etiquettequettes, so less likely to be concentrated in.
Examples:
Etiquette (Street) (The pit), Etiquette (Street) Puyallup.
Etiquette (Criminal): You can find things on the black market, name some of
the local crime bosses, and fit in with the criminal element.
Concentrations: In criminal faction or activities.
Etiquette (Criminal) (Yakuza), Etiquette (Criminal) (BTL Smuggling)
Etiquette (Goverment): You know how the politics of a country work, and the
various parties that run in those countries. You understand party tactics,
and what it takes to get elected in a given country.
Concentrations: Per Country
Examples:
Etiquette (Goverment) (Britain)
Specializations: Per Party
Etiquette (Goverment) (Britain) (Liberals)
Etiquette (Tribal): You know a tribes various rituals, its styles of life,
the garb it wears, what it values, its enemies and friends.
Concentrations: Per tribe
Examples:
Etiquette (Tribal) (Salish Indians)
Etiquette (Culture): You know some of the cultures history. You know what
words you shouldn't say over dinner, and what they consider good food to be
eating for dinner.
Etiquette (Culture) requires a concentration in a specific culture,
however, it does not count towards the characters one concentration at
Character Generation.
Examples:
Etiquette (Culture) (Japanese), Etiquette (Culture) (American)
(I would say there is still an 'American' culture, despite the
fragmentation of the country.
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 09:57:43 +0100
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From: Mike Hartmann <Hartmann@***********.M.EUNET.DE>
Subject: New version of my CharGen out...
the second beta of my chargen can now be downloaded...
http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/newreed/15/index.html
there you'll find links to different download-sites. At least the
american site should work!
If you haven't the full file yet, you'll have to download the full
archive first, otherwise simply download the fixpack 2 and unzip to
your srcg-directory.
bye mike
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I have to go nomail for awhile (5-7days) 'cause I'm on holiday from
uni... have to get my 'puter home and get online again (loong time)
Raven-who-misses-his-200-mails-a-day
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mARCiN sERkIES said on 9:07/12 Jul 97...
> FUTURE SOUND OF LONDOS
Anyone remember The Zig & Zag Show on MTV? "Future Sound Of London
Unplugged" :)
> sometimes THE DOORS, JIMI HENDRIX
> OFFSPRING, DOG EAT DOG, SUCIDAL TENDENCIES
To stop this from being a completely wasted message, I'll add that I tend
to put on whatever is in my CD player at the time, without paing any real
attention to what's going on in the game. For that Elvis run I was
thinking about making a tape with Elvis music on it, but since we played
somewhere there was no tape recorder (my kitchen) I skipped that idea.
Apart from that, I think I don't really have any appropriate music for SR
anyway...
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Gabriel said on 0:01/13 Jul 97...
> "I wish the Mantis spirit killed me."
EGMLOL! Now I just _have_ to make this come true... :)
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Caric said on 6:56/12 Jul 97...
> Wouldn't there have to be something there with an aura? Even if it's just
> a chair or a marble that the sammie tossed? Unless it's a DM I would say
> that there has to be some targetmore precis then just "over there."
Why does everyone treat SR magic as having spells and damaging
manipulations?
SR rulebooks don't, AFAIK, say anything about having to have a target on
which an area-effect spell must be centered, and I allow any spell,
including combat spells, to be aimed at a point in space.
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J. Keith Henry said on 11:33/12 Jul 97...
> I haven't, but then I also haven't found/read the RN archives yet either...if
> such exist...
FTP to listproc.itribe.net and browse around a bit, AFAIK all the logs are
there, even going back to the early days of the list.
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J. Keith Henry said on 12:26/12 Jul 97...
> Anyway, perhaps it's part of the mental framework of the Sasquoi, they can
> communicate and use language, but they consider "vocal language" to be a
> mimicry and not -REAL- communication, which comes from other sources. The
> difference between "chatter" and "true comprehension."
That could be a possibility, but it appears strange to me that they'd
rather learn sign language than simply mimic humans when there is a need
to communicate between a sasquatch and a human. IMHO they'd likely also
have a superiority complex when it comes to humans, and that in turn would
make it unlikely sasquatches would go and be employed in the entertainment
industry.
Also, if this is the case then it reeks of Star Trek where everyone of a
certain race/species has the same habits and customs... There'd _have_to
be some sasquatches who don't feel it beneath themselves to use their
voices when talking with humans.
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The Spaceman said on 14:01/12 Jul 97...
> I'm going to be running an SR event at Dragonflight[1] this year, and
> it involves a resurrection of the Beaujolais Nouveau races. I need info
> on what France is like in 205x, as FASA doesn't seem to have published a France
> sourcebook, or even a Neo-Anarchist's guide to Europe. Has France balkanized
> like Germany and Italy? If unified, what sort of government is there? Lots
> of meta prejudice? relatively progressive race wise but rabidly anti-non-
> French?
Southern France has splintered (that's all the info we have on France,
IIRC), while I imagine the rest of the country is more or less in the same
state it is now, except maybe a bit worse. Come to think of it, possibly a
lot worse now it's lost the income from the billions of tourists that go
to the south every year...
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Caric said on 7:18/12 Jul 97...
> | I even did this for a fight between a PC and a mantis spirit. We'd
> | stopped the last session just before the fight, and went on there. In the
> | meantime I'd decided the PC would get killed if we handled this as a
> | straight BTB fight, so we turned to a more cinematic style; no initiative
> | rolls, mostly descriptions of actions and what was going on, plus the
> | occasional attack test for either side. Hey, I wanted the PC to survive
> | (guess that doesn't make me much of an evil GM, does it? :)
>
> I guess that depends on if you left him alive so that you could rip his arm
> of with an elevator later or not.
I wanted him alive else there'd be nobody to take Anne Penchyk out of the
CZ (and don't go into more detail about this without spoiler spaces,
okay?).
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Adam J said on 23:49/12 Jul 97...
> I would disagree with this one. I thought that the 'Paperless' office was
> supposed to have already happened, but I don't see it.. My 'office', as it
> is, is piled high with paper. Print outs, magazines, books, everything.
The "paperless office" was a prediction from the (early?) '80s, but it's
turned out that if you give people access to an easy means of
typing and editing text (a word processor) and a printer, they'll make
print-outs of everything...
> I realize the matrix is supposed to be integrated much more than todays
> computer networks, but I can still see stacks of paper and books on
> peoples desks.
Me too... The way I see it, people like to be able to take hold of
something they're reading, not having to push buttons or move a mouse.
Plus of course you can read those print-outs on the train home without
having to boot up a notebook, if you can afford one that is.
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Damion Milliken said on 5:25/13 Jul 97...
Finally read up on that backlog, eh? :)
> PS: Greetings to all, I hear that 3rd Ed is in the works and suggestions are
> requested? True? Any special place to send them, and any particular
> requirements for submissions and suggestions?
Steve Kenson asked for ideas on the list, which naturally got totally out
of hand...
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Subject: Re: Centering vs Penalties (was Re: [SR3] Spell Rituals)
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|A good point. Perhaps some sort of "generic air" ruling needs to be
|determined?
|-K
|
I'll target that microbe.....
:)
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|On 12 Jul 97 at 23:47, Spike wrote:
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|> And it forces them to use the ol' grey matter a little....
|
|Problem is, Spikey, his asinine spew showed that he had no grey
|matter.
Possibly a little....
It's our job to help him exercise what little he might have, in order for it
to grow....
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> >For one to 'hack' you need passcodes or an intricate knowledge of the
> >programming language of the system. (very rudimentary thinking I know,
> >but I'm trying to make a point.)
Not necessarily always intricate. 'Denial of service' attacks systems
that freeze out users after their password incorrectly x number fo
times; all you need is that particular phone number and a wardialer. Of
course, it's also chaotic, and not good in the long-term interest...
> >To hack into a system, you are essentially writing counter programs
> >and altering present information inside the mark system.
Or, use existing programs on the inside to access/edit data, or just
browse without altering. ("Real" hackers, whoever they are, get upset
when you say hackers alter stuff, since that's cracking, not hacking.)
> >For all the time needed and required to obtain knowledge of a mark
> >system, just to infiltrate it, isn't there an easier way of obtaining
> >the goods you are trying to 'borrow'?
It's not like people just sit around eighteen hours a day doing 'normal'
stuff (eating, sleeping, jogging the dog) and then suddenly turn into
Matrix berserkers. You have to live and breathe this stuff. I see most
of a decker's time being taken up browsing through sleazy BBSes,
attending EFF meetings (g), that sort of thing. It's why there's a
Matrix Etiquette, y'know - completely different from Street Etiquette.
> >Is 'hacking' a viable means of theft? Or is just easier to steal your
> >brothers birth certificate, go down to the DMV with some of his mail,
> >and get a drivers license with his name on it (but your picture),
> >just to get a visa card that you need?
...Which is, in itself, a hack on the system. But rather than
manipulate the computers directly, you manipulate the people operating
the computers.
> >And of high tech theft? With the knowledge gain through countless
> >hours of self taught computer programming, wouldn't it be easier just
> >to go get a job at Fujitsu and steal the info from the inside?
Isn't it easier to get a job at Fujitsu and retire from the biz? :)
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Subject: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,
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|Actually, lots of things require characters (P and NP) to take
|permanent damage.
|
|Try telling me that's not blood magic.
|
OK, so, there are a few Magic Items that can be regarded as Blood Magic,
like the Blood Pebble armour and the astral eye, etc, etc...
The point is, it's a voluntary sacrifice on the part of the character.
Evil blood magic is the involuntary sacrifice type of magic....
(And the type that draws the Horrors)
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Subject: Re: Shadowrun Fluffy? (Was: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,)
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|>Actually, wasn't there an Ork bodyguard in a book that said something like
|>"How Quaint...he said Fuck..."
|
|Yeah... I seem to remember that. The idea that 'Fuck' just kind of
|whithered away sometime during the past 50 years is a little silly,
|it's not like the Crash of '29 was *that* bad. :)
The point is, 20 years ago, words like SOD and BUGGER were unacceptable.
Who's to say that 'Fuck' won't have lost all power to offend by then?
(And what's the use of a good swear word if it doesn't have some power
behind it?)
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Subject: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,
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|Ummm, no. What about Blood Charms, and abilities from the Companion for
|gaining abilities in certain Disciplines, and some spellcasting abilities, and
|Strain, and... get the idea? Lots of things in ED are blood magic, it's in a
|lot of different forms.
I'd hardly call Strain "Blood Magic".
If that were so, every mage who ever cast a spell or summoned a spirit was
playing with Blood Magic.
Strain is much closer to drain than anything else....
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>You can't steal cash...
I think this is a bit on the wrong side. Cash is used in some places
still. It's not all credsticks.
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> > I'm a little confused by this. If an area of effect spell is being cast at
> > a group of people, then it affects each on individualy. The affect (or lack
> > thereof) of the spell on one person does not change the affect of the spell
> > on another. As for the requirement to see all the targets of a spell, it
> > has to do with the "synchonising araus" thing - you can't affect a
target
> > that you cannot synchronise with (exception: DM spells).
> An area effect spell is indeed cast on an area, all valid targets in that area
> that the caster can see. The center merely tells where the sphere is centered,
> that's all.
...Which yields two types of combat spells: the 'bolts, where the caster
has to synch aura, and the 'balls, where synching doesn't (?) have to
occur.
> > As for the requirement to "centre" spells on a target, I always used
to run
> > it that spells other than DMs had such a requirement. However, upon
> > looking, I cannot find where I obtained this ruling from (perhaps 1st Ed?).
> A tiny example on Quickening spells in Grim1 (that I think carried over to
> Grim2) which mentions Rikki Ratboy Quickening a spell on a bar patron to
> Quicken it to the site; a Stink spell, it was). This may be in the example not
> because of something about area spells but rather a requirement for Quickening.
p. 45 of the New Grimoire. The spell is Quickened to the Armadillo Bar,
*not* a particular patron. Stink is an Illusion; it does not need an
aura to latch onto as a combat spell does.
> > Also, I cannot really see any reason that a comabt spell requires that the
> > centre of its affect be a specific target of the spell. After all, its is
> > just pumping energy into the auras of all targets within its area of affect
> > - why should it need one at the centre?
This has a dangerous conclusion: The mage does .not. have to synch
auras in 'ball spells, he just points and shoots. He should, then, be
able to 'ball people in range of the spell but not visible to him
visually or Astrally; the equivalent of tossing a grenade. Obviously,
he has to intuit that a person is there....
> losthalo
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>ROFLMAOKTDATPB?
Rolling On The Floor Laughing My Ass Off, Kicking The Dog And Tossing
Peanut Butter.
I'm known for my eccentricities in over 7 states and at least 5
countries. All though I'll wager it's only one or two people in any of
these places that actually know me, that's where they're at.
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> I think you are seeing the Astral as this place that only reflects magical
> things (the four elements, etc.). Not only does this hold too closely to
I think I was reading the SRII description of Astral at the time. :)
> Hermetism, but it doesn't follow what I've read in every SR supplement I've
> seen on magic. In the Etheric Astral (the one corresponding to our world in
> location) everything is seen there the same except for print (which is
> obscured, unreadable, except for some feel for its emotional content). If
> there's a rock or a signpost there, it's there in Astral as well. Period. It
> doesn't have to be magical or alive to be seen in the astral, or to give vision
> modifiers, it's just not material (you can pass through it like a ghost).
> Smoke obscures, fire produces light, etc. The only differences are 1)
> everything has an aura as well attached to it and 2) the natural earth,
> considered a living thing, sheds light as all living things in Astral do.
On the other hand, the color traffic lights emit, the screen on computer
monitors, and neon lighting are all munged, since information can't be
read off of them. So (to be argumentative) they emit light into Astral
normally, but it isn't perceived correctly?
Eh?
> > Ahhh. This is why we want better Astral descriptions in SR3!
> They've always made sense to me, I don't see why everyone complains so much. I
> think they read too much into it or bring their own ideas in and add them.
If 'everyone' complains, then they should be made clearer. The needs of
the many...
> > Getting back to the issue at hand, it's the _spell_ that does the
> > targeting, not the mage, and (combat) spells are assumed to hit
> > unerringly (otherwise everything's reduced to a DM). The _spell_
> > certainly doesn't worry about a bit of night-fog.
> It does if the mage cannot see the target well enough to 'synchronize' the
> astral-to-physical bridge to get the spell to work. The magician, not the
> spell, targets; he does this by perceiving both astral and physical together
> for a split second (as with usual assensing) and aligning magical energy with
> the aura of the target and letting it 'drain through into the target's physical
> self. Make sense (hope that was clear)?
Yes; I was on a beeline to the point made below.
> > To me, it would become an either/or situation: either you can make out
> > the aura distinctly, or there's so much detritus in the way that the
> > aura is indistinguishable. But 'partly' just doesn't fit. (Or do you
> > only 'partly' synchronize your aura to the targets? Oh, that opens up a
> > box frogs....)
> I agree. I don't see why vision mods should affect combat spells, was only
> recently informed that they did and did a double-take, tried to figure out why.
> I think the 'why' is game balance...
It does make life more interesting.
> losthalo
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|I'm known for my eccentricities in over 7 states and at least 5
|countries. All though I'll wager it's only one or two people in any of
|these places that actually know me, that's where they're at.
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> |This has a dangerous conclusion: The mage does .not. have to synch
> |auras in 'ball spells, he just points and shoots. He should, then, be
> |able to 'ball people in range of the spell but not visible to him
> |visually or Astrally; the equivalent of tossing a grenade. Obviously,
> |he has to intuit that a person is there....
> I'm afraid you're wrong there....
> Ball spells only EVER hit people in line of sight.
> If someone is in the centre of the effect, but totally hidden behind a
> pillar, he escapes the effect....
> ALL victims of combat spells MUST be in LOS, period.
Read the conclusions that I was drawing on, Spike, before dissenting.
If synching is not a part of area-effect spells, then every valid target
within the area gets spelled. The caster would have to see the center
of the spell radius, yes. The spell travels to that location and
explodes outward; anyone within its area is then within LOS... of the
spell.
Off-thread: Via Masking, you can change the perception of your Aura.
Shouldn't this, then, add to the difficulty of someone trying to
manabolt you? (They see an Aura, but it's not your true Aura.)
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<NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU> writes
>You wrote:
>> >Which many SR char's *are*, and do need the firepower due to the prevalence
>of
>> >armor among corp- and underworld types.
>
>> No argument there, it's just jarring when you see Body 2, Strength 1
>> characters (a rigger) using a Ruger Super Warhawk.
>
>Tell him about how much he hurts his hand, let him roleplay finding a smaller,
>more reasonable gun. This is a roleplaying game, the rules can't do it all.
>Even Rolemaster didn't take care of everything, and it tried pretty blamed hard
>to.
I'm not asking for set-in-stone mechanics (though I did once tinker with
a simple Power - versus - Strength TN table), just more clarification in
the rules that some of these things _hurt_. I wasn't GMing that game:
the GM didn't know much about guns: and the response was "but if there
was a problem it would say so somewhere..."
>And if he argues 'The rules don't say I can't'... tell him to do the math. Big
>people sometimes don't like the big magnums because of the kick, let alone
>scrawny folks. This is really common sense, and doesn't need to be spelled out
>in the rules. If the GM realizes it's silly, he lets the players know, and if
>they continue packing Magnums, let them hurt their hands, suffer T# penalties,
>whatever if game mechanics are the only things that move them.
Again, the problem is it requires the GM to know something about
firearms, preferably to have shot a little. If he knows all he knows
from movies, then you can rapid-fire a Desert Eagle in each hand without
apparent discomfort :)
Common sense needs a certain minimum of experience to base it on, and
not all players and GMs - especially outside the US - have that
experience.
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Adam J once dared to write,
<about Trent Reznor's Quake soundtrack>
>Excellent stuff to play as background noise during a meet or something like
>that, I would think.
Which is why I mentioned it.
>I once thought of actually recording 'crowd noise', say at a food court in
>a shopping mall, or something like that, but never got around to it.
Look around the various artist section to find the sound samplers.
The tracks won't be that long but you will have a lot of them on one CD.
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Ancient cultures believed that names held great power, personal names
more so and they were guarded very closely. To protect themselves, they
answered to another name, because if another discovered their real name,
it could be used against them.
History repeats itself.
Welcome to the Digital Age.
I am MC23
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 01:24:19 +1000
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From: Damion Milliken <milko@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Area of Effect Spells and Astral Targeting
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Matb writes:
> > Yes they *do*. Vision in astral is no clearer or less obstructed than
> > in the mundane world. Everything exists there visually the same as it
> > does in this world. Everything has an aura, else it couldn't be
> > affected by spells...
Yes.
> That would seem to raise a number of problems - the spell would have to
> pass through other auras before grounding out into its target.
This is true, however those auras will either be those of inanimate objects
(dust particles for example) which are too small to be observed with the
naked eye, and thus do not block vision, astral or otherwise, or really
small living beings... I do not want to get into the mechanics of casting
spells through tiny bacteria (you all know why), other than to say
"obviously it can be done - look at the SR rules".
> I see some problems with allowing glare to effect the Astral.
> Everything is backlit with the glow of radiant life energy, not physical
> lightbulbs; I don't have the source but I believe the commments made
> where a sparse concrete cell lit by a bare bulb would appear Astrally
> dark (the rare situation where visual modifiers do come into play). I
> don't believe the question was ever answered, whether lasers (and,
> following, floodlights) generate Elemental Light, which I might see
> crossing over to Astral.
I agree with you here, and as for the Elemental light, I also do not know.
> Smoke is a bit problematic, since water and fire both appear in Astral.
> Treat it as individual molecules? Each 'cloud' as its own Aura? If
> they are Astrally present, they can't be seen through; Astral should be
> much harder to see through, than much easier.
Smoke and other inanimate objects such as mist, rain, snow, and so on should
give the same vision modifiers to astral sight as to normal vision. They,
like all other inanimate objects (such as walls) still appear on the astral
plane and thus block vision, but do not block astral movement. Thus if the
smoke (or whatever) were thick enough to block vision completely, then it
would stop the synchronisation of auras. However, if it were thin, then the
auras of the spell caster and target could still be synchronised (all be it
not as well), and the smoke wouldn't block the passage of the spell to the
target.
> Ahhh. This is why we want better Astral descriptions in SR3!
It isn't all that bad as it is now, but a few clarifications certainly
wouldn't hurt.
> Getting back to the issue at hand, it's the _spell_ that does the
> targeting, not the mage, and (combat) spells are assumed to hit
> unerringly (otherwise everything's reduced to a DM). The _spell_
> certainly doesn't worry about a bit of night-fog.
Hmmm, I'd not say that myself. The spell just goes where the caster targets
it. Like a gun really. You "point and shoot". In terms of a spell, the
"pointing" is the synchronising of auras between the caster and target.
Also, combat spells do not always hit unerringly, as the caster may cast the
spell and achieve zero successes - a miss.
> To me, it would become an either/or situation: either you can make out
> the aura distinctly, or there's so much detritus in the way that the
> aura is indistinguishable. But 'partly' just doesn't fit. (Or do you
> only 'partly' synchronize your aura to the targets? Oh, that opens up a
> box frogs....)
I don't think so, myself. To me a partial synchronisation is perfectly
possible. Think of synchronising like plugging 100 switchbox plugs into 100
switchbox sockets that are randomly ordered on a wall. If you have a clear
LOS to the wall, you can easily plug in all the plugs. If there is a
billowing cloud of smoke between you and the wall, then you'll only be able
to see a certain number of the sockets. Then think of a spell as a power
surge down the switchbox plug lines to affect the target (the wall). If
only half as many plugs are plugged, then the overall affect is lesser than
if they were all plugged. Thats how I view it, anyway.
> > An area effect spell is indeed cast on an area, all valid targets in that
> > area that the caster can see. The center merely tells where the sphere is
> > centered, that's all.
>
> ...Which yields two types of combat spells: the 'bolts, where the caster
> has to synch aura, and the 'balls, where synching doesn't (?) have to
> occur.
Um, not that I interpret, no. An AOE spell is just the same as a singularly
targeted spell. The caster synchronises his aura with that of the target,
then pumps astral energy into the target. The difference being that an AOE
spell is doing the same thing to every target within a certain area. If the
synchronisation cannot occur, then the spell will not affect that target
(for example, if the target is out of LOS, of sufficiently obscured that the
caster rolls no successes). Obviously, the area of effect limits the
targets that can be affected by the spell - those outside it are not
affected.
> > A tiny example on Quickening spells in Grim1 (that I think carried over
> > to Grim2) which mentions Rikki Ratboy Quickening a spell on a bar patron
> > to Quicken it to the site; a Stink spell, it was). This may be in the
> > example not because of something about area spells but rather a
> > requirement for Quickening.
>
> p. 45 of the New Grimoire. The spell is Quickened to the Armadillo Bar,
> *not* a particular patron. Stink is an Illusion; it does not need an
> aura to latch onto as a combat spell does.
The "New Grimythingy"? I've got "The Grimoire: The Manual of Practical
Thaumaturgy 15th Edition, 2053", which is the Grimythingy for 2nd Ed SR, and
mines the 1st printing. It includes, on page 45, an example of Rikki Ratboy
casting a stink spell into the Armadillo. In the example, Rikki centres the
spell on a guy in the bar who happens to have a Willpower of 6. This target
number is used to determine the success or failure of Rikki's spell. I
believe that the example is incorrect in its execution of the game
mechanics, however, in that the spell does not need to be centered, and the
resolution of the spell is made individually for each person within its AOE
(using the single dice roll the caster made).
> This has a dangerous conclusion: The mage does .not. have to synch
> auras in 'ball spells, he just points and shoots. He should, then, be
> able to 'ball people in range of the spell but not visible to him
> visually or Astrally; the equivalent of tossing a grenade. Obviously,
> he has to intuit that a person is there....
I don't think so - look at my synchronising arguments above.
> > <Snip accurate description of the astral plane mirroring the physical>
>
> On the other hand, the color traffic lights emit, the screen on computer
> monitors, and neon lighting are all munged, since information can't be
> read off of them. So (to be argumentative) they emit light into Astral
> normally, but it isn't perceived correctly?
Hmmm, interesting point. I was under the impression that light on the
astral plane is not as we know it on the physical plane. Just that the
emmisions from auras of living beings, the interactions of these emmisions
and inanimate objects, and the perception of these emmisions by those with
astral perception are analogous to light and vision in the physical plane.
I always thought that objects that emmitted light on the physical plane did
not do anything special on the astral plane, but living beings emmitted the
astral equivalent of "light". Thus traffic lights appear the same no matter
what colour they are, and computer screens are impossible to read at all.
> > I agree. I don't see why vision mods should affect combat spells, was
> > only recently informed that they did and did a double-take, tried to
> > figure out why. I think the 'why' is game balance...
>
> It does make life more interesting.
This reminds me of the shaman in my group the other day, his quote went
something like "I need twos!? We should do shadowruns in the daytime more
often!"
> Off-thread: Via Masking, you can change the perception of your Aura.
> Shouldn't this, then, add to the difficulty of someone trying to
> manabolt you? (They see an Aura, but it's not your true Aura.)
But it is intrinsically and inexorably linked to your true aura, so if they
affect the "fake" aura, it'll pass right along to you.
Bruce H. Nagel writes:
> And the fact that you must see the target *with*mundane*senses* on the
> physical plane, if the target is not astral, in order to cast a spell at
> them. Period. Seeing them by assensing, even though there's always light
> to see by in Astral, doesn't count. Your physical eyes must see the target
> to form the momentary bridge from astral to physical (completing the
> circuit, as it were).
Yes, this makes sense. Upon reading the description of astral perception,
we see that it states "When perceiving astrally, the magician's senses are
focused on the astral plane. Purely phsyical things are visible only by
their astral echo, making interaction with the physical world very
difficult." To me this indicates that an astrally peceiving magician can
only cast spells at astrally present targets. OTOH, a magician who is not
astrally peceiving may cast spells are purely physical targets, but also
must abide by the conditions on the physical plane at the time of casting.
Thus vision modifiers are applicable to spellcasting.
--
Damion Milliken University of Wollongong
Unofficial Shadowrun Guru E-mail: milko@***.edu.au
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Gurth writes:
> Finally read up on that backlog, eh? :)
Unfortunately, no - I decided that lurking was boring (I was reading all
these cool threads that I wanted to post comments about, but couldn't since
they were from October last year... :-)).
> Steve Kenson asked for ideas on the list, which naturally got totally out
> of hand...
I hope he's got a lot of time to collate all of the suggestions he'll get.
I've got some 30 points to bring up... Do people think it would be better
to:
a) Send such suggestions directly to Steve?
b) Post suggestions collated in one big message so that those who couldn't
care less can nuke them easily?
c) Post suggestions individually so that they can be discussed by the list?
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At 12:32 PM 7/13/97 +0100, Gurth wrote these timeless words:
>Gabriel said on 0:01/13 Jul 97...
>
>> "I wish the Mantis spirit killed me."
>
>EGMLOL! Now I just _have_ to make this come true... :)
>
Hey gabe... Got a better Idea for ya...
Try marrying one...
<big Grin>
It get's interesting. If my partner Johnny 99 had compy access, he could
certainly attest to that...;];];];];];];];];];]
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On 12 Jul 97 at 23:49, Adam J wrote:
> I would disagree with this one. I thought that the 'Paperless'
> office was supposed to have already happened, but I don't see it..
> My 'office', as it is, is piled high with paper. Print outs,
> magazines, books, everything. I realize the matrix is supposed to
> be integrated much more than todays computer networks, but I can
> still see stacks of paper and books on peoples desks.
Absolutely. Management would not be able to function without their
pounds and pounds of hardcopy.
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,or Bring out
yourSpells,Bringout your spells!
In a message dated 97-07-13 05:18:35 EDT, NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU
(Bruce H. Nagel) writes:
> Personally I think anyone who uses the spell carelessly should someday look
> up
> to find a shotgun in their face... "Pretty funny, eh?" ;) ...boom...
> It's the sort of revenge one of my characters would have done. Give them
a
> little return on their investment of time and effort, you know? Then
again,
> I
> once had a PC blow away another PC in Call of Cthulhu just because he'd
> decided
> he wanted to become a cultist of Nyarlathotep, not because his SAN was
that
> low, but because he wanted personal power. :) Man, that was a fun group
to
> game with.
>
> losthalo
>
>
Don't take this the wrong way Halo, but I think I finally figured out your
"nickname" of "losthalo". Fallen Angel indeed. ;]
-Keith
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Subject: Re: Spell types (was Re: Centering vs Penalties)
In a message dated 97-07-13 06:33:29 EDT, gurth@******.NL (Gurth) writes:
>
> SR rulebooks don't, AFAIK, say anything about having to have a target on
> which an area-effect spell must be centered, and I allow any spell,
> including combat spells, to be aimed at a point in space.
>
> -
Then I really hope you also allow for those people caught in the area effect
of such spells to have access to their armor for resisting the damage.
"Ground" is a target 3 or 4 in the book, sidewalk is a bit
higher...etcetera. That could stage up the damage really, bloodily, fast.
-Keith
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Subject: Re: Centering vs Penalties (was Re: [SR3] Spell Rituals)
In a message dated 97-07-13 07:08:56 EDT, u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK (Spike)
writes:
>
> I'll target that microbe.....
> :)
>
Okay, here's an image for everyone...Mage #1 walks around with a massively
expensive looking set of ray bans (super powered microscope under a physical
mask spell, never mind the power concept)...
-or-
Mage #2 walks around with a funny "Klink Monacle" in his eye (with the
Detection Spell- View Microbial Lifeforms, anchored/quickened to it).
And yeah, I've seen it done. We've got a player here who got into cybertech
as a player, went about developing spells like "Analyze DNA" and "Formulate
Blood Type" for detection spells, based off the "Analyze Object" and
"Catalog" spells.
-keith
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Subject: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,
In a message dated 97-07-13 07:20:20 EDT, u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK (Spike)
writes:
>
> The point is, it's a voluntary sacrifice on the part of the character.
So if a player character were to get into the "Voluntary Blood Magic" stuff,
it wouldn't be evil? That is kind of the "thread" I was looking for.
>
> Evil blood magic is the involuntary sacrifice type of magic....
> (And the type that draws the Horrors)
WRONG!!! the Great Ghost Dance wasn't truly evil (end justifying the means
and all) and was completely voluntary on the part of the dancers. It got
their attention. Of course, so did the Sears Tower Incident...
-Keith
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Optional Metatypes, part 3: Sasquatch
In a message dated 97-07-13 10:05:44 EDT, gurth@******.NL (Gurth) writes:
>
> That could be a possibility, but it appears strange to me that they'd
> rather learn sign language than simply mimic humans when there is a need
> to communicate between a sasquatch and a human. IMHO they'd likely also
> have a superiority complex when it comes to humans, and that in turn would
> make it unlikely sasquatches would go and be employed in the entertainment
> industry.
Unless...(see below)
> > Also, if this is the case then it reeks of Star Trek where everyone of
a
> certain race/species has the same habits and customs... There'd _have_to
> be some sasquatches who don't feel it beneath themselves to use their
> voices when talking with humans.
... there are -always- exceptions to any rule. I don't know really why
Sasquoi are non-vocal speach types, but they are. I agree, it seems kind of
stupid at times, but that stupid is what I like to analyze and find the
intelligence that once stood behind it.
-Keith
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Subject: Re: Astral... (was Re: Centering vs Penalties (was Re: [SR3] Spell
Comments: To: mbreton@**.netcom.com
In a message dated 97-07-13 10:28:52 EDT, mbreton@**.netcom.com (Matb)
writes:
>
> Read the conclusions that I was drawing on, Spike, before dissenting.
> If synching is not a part of area-effect spells, then every valid target
> within the area gets spelled. The caster would have to see the center
> of the spell radius, yes. The spell travels to that location and
> explodes outward; anyone within its area is then within LOS... of the
> spell.
There is one argument I can find on this...an area spell "blasts inward" from
the outer perimeter of it's area, not outward from it's source. I agree with
what you are saying Matt, I just wish it were explained better.
> Off-thread: Via Masking, you can change the perception of your Aura.
> Shouldn't this, then, add to the difficulty of someone trying to
> manabolt you? (They see an Aura, but it's not your true Aura.)
IF you go into a concentrated/active Masking usage. Otherwise, the aura,
though masked, is still present to certain degrees, even if it isn't your
"real aura".
-Keith
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In a message dated 97-07-13 11:25:42 EDT, milko@***.EDU.AU (Damion Milliken)
writes:
> > I see some problems with allowing glare to effect the Astral.
> > Everything is backlit with the glow of radiant life energy, not physical
> > lightbulbs; I don't have the source but I believe the commments made
> > where a sparse concrete cell lit by a bare bulb would appear Astrally
> > dark (the rare situation where visual modifiers do come into play). I
> > don't believe the question was ever answered, whether lasers (and,
> > following, floodlights) generate Elemental Light, which I might see
> > crossing over to Astral.
>
> I agree with you here, and as for the Elemental light, I also do not know.
>
>
Okay, this is a beeper here...on Matt's behalf...the light from a stoplight
is -NOT-, please read this, is -NOT- Elemental Light. Sure it's light, but
-NOT- elemental. It's artificial lighting. Anything made by a technological
means of lighting, regardless of the souce type, is artificial.
sorry to get nutty with the exemplifications, it is just how it is stated.
It is also part of the ruling behind the "can't read a computer screen" from
the astral."
-Keith
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> > That would seem to raise a number of problems - the spell would have to
> > pass through other auras before grounding out into its target.
> This is true, however those auras will either be those of inanimate objects
> (dust particles for example) which are too small to be observed with the
> naked eye, and thus do not block vision, astral or otherwise, or really
> small living beings... I do not want to get into the mechanics of casting
> spells through tiny bacteria (you all know why), other than to say
> "obviously it can be done - look at the SR rules".
Eh? FAB? :) No, there's an easy out, which I overlooked: inanimate
things can be passed through easily on Astral space (otherwise, what's
the use of projecting?).
(klip)
> > Getting back to the issue at hand, it's the _spell_ that does the
> > targeting, not the mage, and (combat) spells are assumed to hit
> > unerringly (otherwise everything's reduced to a DM). The _spell_
> > certainly doesn't worry about a bit of night-fog.
> Hmmm, I'd not say that myself. The spell just goes where the caster targets
> it. Like a gun really. You "point and shoot". In terms of a spell, the
> "pointing" is the synchronising of auras between the caster and target.
> Also, combat spells do not always hit unerringly, as the caster may cast the
> spell and achieve zero successes - a miss.
...so the powerball splatters against the back wall? No, combat spells
hit unerringly, and it says as much in one of the books; spell movement
is too fast to be sidestepped unless an Astrally aware character has a
Delayed Action and is expecting one to fly his way. (The actual term
used is .intercept. the spell, since you would then go into Astral melee
with it.)
Achieving zero successes can be interpreted a number of ways, the most
easiest of which is that he fails to synchornize auras with the target;
the spell hits but does not ground through. There are other
explanations for zero successes as well.
> > To me, it would become an either/or situation: either you can make out
> > the aura distinctly, or there's so much detritus in the way that the
> > aura is indistinguishable. But 'partly' just doesn't fit. (Or do you
> > only 'partly' synchronize your aura to the targets? Oh, that opens up a
> > box frogs....)
> I don't think so, myself. To me a partial synchronisation is perfectly
> possible. Think of synchronising like plugging 100 switchbox plugs into 100
> switchbox sockets that are randomly ordered on a wall. If you have a clear
> LOS to the wall, you can easily plug in all the plugs. If there is a
> billowing cloud of smoke between you and the wall, then you'll only be able
> to see a certain number of the sockets. Then think of a spell as a power
> surge down the switchbox plug lines to affect the target (the wall). If
> only half as many plugs are plugged, then the overall affect is lesser than
> if they were all plugged. Thats how I view it, anyway.
That analogy doesn't hold up: If I can only make out the "thirty
switchboxes" making up his leg, I only zap him knee-down? The Aura is
whole and complete, like holographic memory; if you have part of it, you
have all of it.
> > > An area effect spell is indeed cast on an area, all valid targets in that
> > > area that the caster can see. The center merely tells where the sphere is
> > > centered, that's all.
> > ...Which yields two types of combat spells: the 'bolts, where the caster
> > has to synch aura, and the 'balls, where synching doesn't (?) have to
> > occur.
> Um, not that I interpret, no. An AOE spell is just the same as a singularly
> targeted spell. The caster synchronises his aura with that of the target,
> then pumps astral energy into the target. The difference being that an AOE
> spell is doing the same thing to every target within a certain area. If the
> synchronisation cannot occur, then the spell will not affect that target
> (for example, if the target is out of LOS, of sufficiently obscured that the
> caster rolls no successes). Obviously, the area of effect limits the
> targets that can be affected by the spell - those outside it are not
> affected.
To give an cry I've let out often lately, how does the caster
synchronize auras with several different people at the same time? Maybe
it's just me, but under the current explanation of Auras, it can't
really happen.
> > > A tiny example on Quickening spells in Grim1 (that I think carried over
> > > to Grim2) which mentions Rikki Ratboy Quickening a spell on a bar patron
> > > to Quicken it to the site; a Stink spell, it was). This may be in the
> > > example not because of something about area spells but rather a
> > > requirement for Quickening.
> > p. 45 of the New Grimoire. The spell is Quickened to the Armadillo Bar,
> > *not* a particular patron. Stink is an Illusion; it does not need an
> > aura to latch onto as a combat spell does.
> The "New Grimythingy"? I've got "The Grimoire: The Manual of
Practical
> Thaumaturgy 15th Edition, 2053", which is the Grimythingy for 2nd Ed SR, and
> mines the 1st printing. It includes, on page 45, an example of Rikki Ratboy
> casting a stink spell into the Armadillo. In the example, Rikki centres the
> spell on a guy in the bar who happens to have a Willpower of 6. This target
> number is used to determine the success or failure of Rikki's spell. I
> believe that the example is incorrect in its execution of the game
> mechanics, however, in that the spell does not need to be centered, and the
> resolution of the spell is made individually for each person within its AOE
> (using the single dice roll the caster made).
Hmm. My take on it was that Rikki wanted to get a patron so he centered
it over a patron. (Centered, not targeted. Big difference.)
> > This has a dangerous conclusion: The mage does .not. have to synch
> > auras in 'ball spells, he just points and shoots. He should, then, be
> > able to 'ball people in range of the spell but not visible to him
> > visually or Astrally; the equivalent of tossing a grenade. Obviously,
> > he has to intuit that a person is there....
> I don't think so - look at my synchronising arguments above.
I'll cede the point, but out of disgust at the repetition than
conviction.
> > > <Snip accurate description of the astral plane mirroring the
physical>
Gotta love the subliminal stuff.
> > On the other hand, the color traffic lights emit, the screen on computer
> > monitors, and neon lighting are all munged, since information can't be
> > read off of them. So (to be argumentative) they emit light into Astral
> > normally, but it isn't perceived correctly?
> Hmmm, interesting point. I was under the impression that light on the
> astral plane is not as we know it on the physical plane. Just that the
> emmisions from auras of living beings, the interactions of these emmisions
> and inanimate objects, and the perception of these emmisions by those with
> astral perception are analogous to light and vision in the physical plane.
> I always thought that objects that emmitted light on the physical plane did
> not do anything special on the astral plane, but living beings emmitted the
> astral equivalent of "light". Thus traffic lights appear the same no
matter
> what colour they are, and computer screens are impossible to read at all.
"Anything special" is an extremely ambiguous term, used here. Care to
elucidate?
> > Off-thread: Via Masking, you can change the perception of your Aura.
> > Shouldn't this, then, add to the difficulty of someone trying to
> > manabolt you? (They see an Aura, but it's not your true Aura.)
> But it is intrinsically and inexorably linked to your true aura, so if they
> affect the "fake" aura, it'll pass right along to you.
Look at it this way: I have myself and a bot. I see fine, but the bot
sees black and white. I tell it to zap anything green.
A magician synchs to the perceived Aura, which is *not* the actual
Aura. The spell flies off in search of it and, since the perceived Aura
is not present, misses. Unless you assume that spells are Initiates and
able to penetrate the mask.
This makes Masking a bit too much like Shielding, so I can understand
why, for game balance, it was removed.
> Bruce H. Nagel writes:
> > And the fact that you must see the target *with*mundane*senses* on the
> > physical plane, if the target is not astral, in order to cast a spell at
> > them. Period. Seeing them by assensing, even though there's always light
> > to see by in Astral, doesn't count. Your physical eyes must see the target
> > to form the momentary bridge from astral to physical (completing the
> > circuit, as it were).
> Yes, this makes sense. Upon reading the description of astral perception,
> we see that it states "When perceiving astrally, the magician's senses are
> focused on the astral plane. Purely phsyical things are visible only by
> their astral echo, making interaction with the physical world very
> difficult." To me this indicates that an astrally peceiving magician can
> only cast spells at astrally present targets. OTOH, a magician who is not
> astrally peceiving may cast spells are purely physical targets, but also
> must abide by the conditions on the physical plane at the time of casting.
Makes sense, but it's wrong. Assensing is a natural extension of normal
eyesight and thus counts for targeting purposes. ("A magician cannot
cast spells directly at invisible beings.. except by using enhanced
vision or *astral perception*...") 'Purely physical things' relates to
rocks and other inanimatter; humans do have astral presence - it's why
they emit light, the argument you used above. The physical realm is the
least important portion of casting a spell; the spell energy jumps from
caster aura to target aura and takes place completely on Astral. If the
caster can perceive the aura - which he should almost always be able to
do on Astral - he can synch with it.
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At the risk of being called an evil GM ... do you think it would be
feasible to use a runner's kid as a material link for ritual sorcery?
Going on the DNA theory, the child has at least PART of the father's DNA
right? So there should be a flicker of a weak link there, and then of
course there's the fact that the father/son emotional bond could act as a
link.
Anyone have any problem with there being a similarity (Is that the term?)
link/connection between father and son?
Any suggestions for combining this with blood magic for a truly hideous
ritual?
Steven A. Tinner
bluewizard@*****.com
http://www.ncweb.com/users/bluewizard
"Uh-oh! Chongo!"
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Subject: Re: Area of Effect Spells and Astral Targeting
Comments: To: mbreton@**.netcom.com
In a message dated 97-07-13 12:42:39 EDT, mbreton@**.netcom.com (Matb)
writes:
>
> Makes sense, but it's wrong. Assensing is a natural extension of normal
> eyesight and thus counts for targeting purposes. ("A magician cannot
> cast spells directly at invisible beings.. except by using enhanced
> vision or *astral perception*...") 'Purely physical things' relates to
> rocks and other inanimatter; humans do have astral presence - it's why
> they emit light, the argument you used above. The physical realm is the
> least important portion of casting a spell; the spell energy jumps from
> caster aura to target aura and takes place completely on Astral. If the
> caster can perceive the aura - which he should almost always be able to
> do on Astral - he can synch with it.
>
>
Actually, at this point you're off track ... not wrong ... just off target.
Assensing is "partly" visual. the problem is that as "humans", we
are
visuall oriented, and our minds translate it as such. Ghouls for example are
blind (second gen for sure), and they can assense. There are sideways
remarks in the paranormals guides about "spiritual scent" in reference to the
toxic spirits.
Quit being so Xenocentric, it's time to realize the whole picture, including
the texture of the paper, the smell of the ink when it fresh, the sound of
the breeze captured in it's memory...
-Keith
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In a message dated 97-07-13 12:55:42 EDT, bluewizard@*****.COM (Steven A.
Tinner) writes:
>
> At the risk of being called an evil GM ... do you think it would be
> feasible to use a runner's kid as a material link for ritual sorcery?
>
> Going on the DNA theory, the child has at least PART of the father's DNA
> right? So there should be a flicker of a weak link there, and then of
> course there's the fact that the father/son emotional bond could act as a
> link.
Actually, it's the second strongest link in the game mechanics. The first is
the Mother's Connectivity (she carried him longer, more "aura brushoff" as it
were.
>
> Anyone have any problem with there being a similarity (Is that the term?)
> link/connection between father and son?
None what so ever...
>
> Any suggestions for combining this with blood magic for a truly hideous
> ritual?
>
Actually, there are tons of them ... but I'm not going to help "spread the
disease of wicked gmness..." ;)
-K
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Subject: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,or Bring out
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|Don't take this the wrong way Halo, but I think I finally figured out your
|"nickname" of "losthalo". Fallen Angel indeed. ;]
Duhhhhhhhhhhhhh...........
I've been reading it as los(th)alo....
Duh....
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Subject: Re: Spell types (was Re: Centering vs Penalties)
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|> SR rulebooks don't, AFAIK, say anything about having to have a target on
|> which an area-effect spell must be centered, and I allow any spell,
|> including combat spells, to be aimed at a point in space.
|Then I really hope you also allow for those people caught in the area effect
|of such spells to have access to their armor for resisting the damage.
Why? If the effect spreads out in astral space and then grounds through all
the auras visible in the area???
| "Ground" is a target 3 or 4 in the book, sidewalk is a bit
|higher...etcetera. That could stage up the damage really, bloodily, fast.
"Ground" is a very vague concept.
If the FLOOR is made of artificial material, the T# for it is in the double
figures. If it's something like Tarmacaddam, the t# would still be high, as
would concrete.
Only if the ground is made of rock or earth with the t# be low....
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From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,
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|In a message dated 97-07-13 07:20:20 EDT, u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK (Spike)
|writes:
|
|>
|> The point is, it's a voluntary sacrifice on the part of the character.
|
|So if a player character were to get into the "Voluntary Blood Magic" stuff,
|it wouldn't be evil? That is kind of the "thread" I was looking for.
It's not concidered evil for characters to voluntarily sacrifice large bits
of themselves to technology, is it? (Essence vs Cyber)
It's not evil for characters to voluntarily sacrifice Karma to free spirits,
is it?
Why should GOOD blood magic be different?
|>
|> Evil blood magic is the involuntary sacrifice type of magic....
|> (And the type that draws the Horrors)
|
|WRONG!!! the Great Ghost Dance wasn't truly evil (end justifying the means
|and all) and was completely voluntary on the part of the dancers. It got
|their attention. Of course, so did the Sears Tower Incident...
Will you stop saying "WRONG!!!" as if you're jumping up and down with glee!
And again, no, I'm not wrong.
The Ghost dance drew the horrors because of the sheer magnitude of it all.
EVIL BLOOD magic can draw horrors in much smaller doses.....
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Subject: Re: Living material linkst
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|At the risk of being called an evil GM ... do you think it would be
|feasible to use a runner's kid as a material link for ritual sorcery?
|
|Going on the DNA theory, the child has at least PART of the father's DNA
|right? So there should be a flicker of a weak link there, and then of
|course there's the fact that the father/son emotional bond could act as a
|link.
Well... You can use things with strong emotional ties, or objects that have
been in close proximity to the character for a long time, like a wristwatch.
(That contains an aural echo).
|Anyone have any problem with there being a similarity (Is that the term?)
|link/connection between father and son?
Family/Emotional/Locational ties? I'd rule yes, unless he never met his son
before that day....
|Any suggestions for combining this with blood magic for a truly hideous
|ritual?
Oooooohohohooo.... You are being an evil GM....
Not one of Bulls kids though.... Pretty please?
:)
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Subject: Re: Area of Effect Spells and Astral Targeting
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|Quit being so Xenocentric, it's time to realize the whole picture, including
|the texture of the paper, the smell of the ink when it fresh, the sound of
|the breeze captured in it's memory...
That's a nice way of putting it....
Poetic, aren't we???
:)
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From: "Bruce H. Nagel" <NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Fluffy? (Was: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,)
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You wrote:
> The point is, 20 years ago, words like SOD and BUGGER were unacceptable.
> Who's to say that 'Fuck' won't have lost all power to offend by then?
> (And what's the use of a good swear word if it doesn't have some power
> behind it?)
Actually, it's really lost its power to offend anyone but the really sensitive
even today. It's bland now, overused, and can't really get to you.
losthalo
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You wrote:
> I'm not asking for set-in-stone mechanics (though I did once tinker with
> a simple Power - versus - Strength TN table), just more clarification in
> the rules that some of these things _hurt_. I wasn't GMing that game:
> the GM didn't know much about guns: and the response was "but if there
> was a problem it would say so somewhere..."
This is a point where players shouldn't argue too hard with their GM, imo.
If he says it's not reasonable, it's not. Even in the Dirty Harry movies,
Eastwood can feeel the recoil from that .44, you can watch the barrel kick when
he fires it. Et cetera.
> Again, the problem is it requires the GM to know something about
> firearms, preferably to have shot a little. If he knows all he knows
> from movies, then you can rapid-fire a Desert Eagle in each hand without
> apparent discomfort :)
Yeah, some movies are too careless about things like this. Hell, most movies
are too careless about this.
> Common sense needs a certain minimum of experience to base it on, and
> not all players and GMs - especially outside the US - have that
> experience.
True. How about a paragraph describing recoil, in the section on Ranged
combat and firearms? Describing that light pistols are controllable, etc.
losthalo
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 18:59:34 -0500
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From: "Bruce H. Nagel" <NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Area of Effect Spells and Astral Targeting
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You wrote:
> Yes, this makes sense. Upon reading the description of astral perception,
> we see that it states "When perceiving astrally, the magician's senses are
> focused on the astral plane. Purely phsyical things are visible only by
> their astral echo, making interaction with the physical world very
> difficult." To me this indicates that an astrally peceiving magician can
> only cast spells at astrally present targets. OTOH, a magician who is not
> astrally peceiving may cast spells are purely physical targets, but also
> must abide by the conditions on the physical plane at the time of casting.
> Thus vision modifiers are applicable to spellcasting.
One neat little side-note: if you're ever blinded by darkness, and want to
shoot someone (not cast spells at them, that isn't possible without Thermo),
assense, take the +2 for acting physically while assensing, and use Gaia's glow
to see them and shoot. :) A small trick, but occasionally very useful.
losthalo
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 19:12:03 -0500
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From: "Bruce H. Nagel" <NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,or Bring out
yourSpells,Bringout your spells!
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You wrote:
> > losthalo
> >
> >
> Don't take this the wrong way Halo, but I think I finally figured out your
> "nickname" of "losthalo". Fallen Angel indeed. ;]
In fact it is a heckuva lot more complicated than that, but that's one
interpretation. Like a lot of things I choose for myself, it can swing both
ways... It also talks about my realization that I'm no longer a Christian,
though I have standards and morals. And it says that maybe instead of wanting
a halo I want other things right now. It also says that maybe a halo isn't
worth having, rather there are better ways of judging things and looking at
them. Lost illusions and mistaken ideas. Look at me, waxing all philosophic
over my netname...
losthaloGoFA6)7(Im6TJt)Fe(7P!ShMoBnone=(cBKc8MBV6sM3ZGoPuTeiClbMehC6a23=n4b55H17
3g4L??96FmT1Ea4@*********************************************************"While
youarelisteningtothisrecording,yourwillingattentionismakingyoumoreandmoreintothe
personyouwanttobecome."
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 16:15:08 +0100
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Subject: Re: cyberware and it's effects on the psyche and body
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> From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
>
> In a message dated 97-07-12 17:06:57 EDT, shadowrn@********.DEMON.CO.UK
(Paul
> J. Adam) writes:
>
> >
> > The leviathan resumes its patrol.
> >
> >
> And the aircraft carrier "Spudzone" moves the other way...it was in
um... I kinda liked the topic as is... could we get back to that subject so
I don't have to download 300 messages of wich half are OT,
Please and Thank You.
So, on this topic, I just finished reading Never Deal With A Dragon again,
and there was this dude named Radley in the book that was definite
Cyber-Psychosis. He was flat out wacked. How do you fit that into the game
via SR rules. I have a character in my game that unless his CyberWare wasn't
Alpha grade, he'd be a cyberzombie. He played it cool, detached, not quite
human. But would it manifest itself as a detachment from humanity or a
revenge on humanity??????????????
kim
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 16:22:24 +0100
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Subject: Re: flood
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> From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
>
> >
> > News from Poland... My city is almost flooded. Council is panickaly
trying
>
> > to save oldest part of city full of churches, museums etc... my only
acces
> to
> > the world is internet... i can`t make outside city phone calls...
> >
> > But i`m goin` to play tonight... i`m crazy :)
> >
> >
> Yasiu, you are right, you ARE nuts. The US just had its entire northern
> midwest go into floodland this spring, they'll tell you, get out of town
and
> be safe...
yASIu... don't mess around unless you're on HIGH ground. We get flood all
the time out in the Snohomish valley and the waters rise FAST.
Be careful, good luck to you and yours.
kim
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 16:34:24 +0100
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> From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
>
> On 12 Jul 97 at 23:49, Adam J wrote:
>
> > I would disagree with this one. I thought that the 'Paperless'
> > office was supposed to have already happened, but I don't see it..
> > My 'office', as it is, is piled high with paper. Print outs,
> > magazines, books, everything. I realize the matrix is supposed to
> > be integrated much more than todays computer networks, but I can
> > still see stacks of paper and books on peoples desks.
>
> Absolutely. Management would not be able to function without their
> pounds and pounds of hardcopy.
>
start message reply
start task "ramble"
Well, I think that it's easier to sit around phreaking somebody like Eddie
Bauer or some other catalog store and wait for the perople who kindly give
out their credit card numbers and expiration dates. Problem then is
hsipping, but if you try hard enough, somebody will ship to you without
asking questions. Not that I have the capability to do this, but hacking is
all in how you frame the goal. Is it to steal? or is it because you can.
Usually the latter.
end task "ramble"
end message reply
kim
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 19:47:17 -0500
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From: "Bruce H. Nagel" <NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Living material links
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You wrote:
> At the risk of being called an evil GM ... do you think it would be
> feasible to use a runner's kid as a material link for ritual sorcery?
No, no, no. It is not still just one parent's DNA, or even both parents' DNA
equally mixed. Some random chance goes into it as well, which is why two kids
from the same parents do not necessarily have the same characteristics.
> Going on the DNA theory, the child has at least PART of the father's DNA
> right? So there should be a flicker of a weak link there, and then of
> course there's the fact that the father/son emotional bond could act as a
> link.
Too weak, it is not a *part* of his structure, and any likeness is
overwhelmed by the kid's own aura anyway, he/she has an aura of their own.
losthalo (geez, get some fingernail clippings or something...)
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 19:52:42 -0500
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From: "Bruce H. Nagel" <NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,or Bring out
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You wrote:
> |Don't take this the wrong way Halo, but I think I finally figured out your
> |"nickname" of "losthalo". Fallen Angel indeed. ;]
> Duhhhhhhhhhhhhh...........
> I've been reading it as los(th)alo....
> Duh....
As in Thalo Blue or somesuch? ;) And I thought it was so simple and
straightforward and boring...
little-lost-halo
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 17:57:30 -0600
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From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: SR I question
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At 01:27 7/14/97 +1000, you wrote:
>> Steve Kenson asked for ideas on the list, which naturally got totally out
>> of hand...
>
>I hope he's got a lot of time to collate all of the suggestions he'll get.
>I've got some 30 points to bring up... Do people think it would be better
>to:
>
>a) Send such suggestions directly to Steve?
>b) Post suggestions collated in one big message so that those who couldn't
>care less can nuke them easily?
>c) Post suggestions individually so that they can be discussed by the list?
I sent mine right to Steve, because they were definite suggestions, not
ideas that needed discussion. If you want to get other opinions on them
too, then post them to the list, but then you're less likely to get Steve's
opinion, I think. And if you do post them, may as well post them as one
huge message.. better than 12 little ones :)
-Adam
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 19:54:29 -0500
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From: "Bruce H. Nagel" <NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,
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You wrote:
> |WRONG!!! the Great Ghost Dance wasn't truly evil (end justifying the means
> |and all) and was completely voluntary on the part of the dancers. It got
> |their attention. Of course, so did the Sears Tower Incident...
> Will you stop saying "WRONG!!!" as if you're jumping up and down with glee!
> And again, no, I'm not wrong.
> The Ghost dance drew the horrors because of the sheer magnitude of it all.
> EVIL BLOOD magic can draw horrors in much smaller doses.....
I agree. the 'wrong' thing is annoying, especially when you're talking about
something which can be seen many different ways (the case with most
moral/ethical situations). The Ghost Dance was used to give the Amerinds power
over those who had oppressed them, and used the means of endangering the lives
of many, many UCAS citizens. That is not only means-to-an-end, that is the
epitome of means-to-an-end: terrorism. I threaten to do X if you don't do Y.
Those citizens had nothing to do with the power struggle, and yet were being
threatened with magical might and ordered to give up their homes. Say that
wasn't at least a little evil, go ahead. Maybe justified to Americans who'd
been shoved off their land and lost much to caucasians, but does that justify
holding millions hostage? I'm wandering, this has nothing to do with the Blood
Magic thread I'm afraid, but... don't go shouting WRONG! in my ear when I have
some idea of what I'm talking about. Don't do it to others, either, they'll
make you look bad.
losthalo
"This is your Uncle Larr here, I'm just trynna help you people"
--some stand-up comic
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 20:01:53 -0500
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From: "Bruce H. Nagel" <NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: cyberware and it's effects on the psyche and body
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You wrote:
> So, on this topic, I just finished reading Never Deal With A Dragon again,
> and there was this dude named Radley in the book that was definite
> Cyber-Psychosis. He was flat out wacked. How do you fit that into the game
> via SR rules. I have a character in my game that unless his CyberWare wasn't
> Alpha grade, he'd be a cyberzombie. He played it cool, detached, not quite
> human. But would it manifest itself as a detachment from humanity or a
> revenge on humanity??????????????
"Luke, you will find that many of the truths we cling to depend on our point of
view."
losthalo
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 20:08:16 EDT
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From: Tim Cooper <z-i-m@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Optional Metatypes, part 3: Sasquatch
On Thu, 10 Jul 1997 13:36:27 -0800 Max Rible <slothman@*********.ORG>
writes:
>At 17:24 7/10/97 -0400, Bull wrote:
>>Actually, as far as I can tell, Sasquatch CAN understand the spoken
>>languange. they just can't speak a language.
>>
>>That's just always been my impression, at least...;]
>
>My impression is that they are unable to assimilate spoken language; the
>idea just doesn't work for them.
Well, medically that same condition can arise in humans... that is a
person can hear and understand spoken speach perfectly fine, but are
almost completely unable to speak coherently. themselves. It had to do
with the connections between the parts of the brain for speech and
comprehension/cognitive activity (or something... the "Mind, Brain, and
Behavior" class that I took was two quarters ago.)
~Tim
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 19:08:07 -0500
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Don't forget about Operation Mindcrime by Queensryche
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 19:34:06 -0500
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At 12:12 PM 7/13/97 +0100, you wrote:
#|
#|On 12 Jul 97 at 23:47, Spike wrote:
#|
#|> And it forces them to use the ol' grey matter a little....
#|
#|Problem is, Spikey, his asinine spew showed that he had no grey
#|matter.
#
#Possibly a little....
#It's our job to help him exercise what little he might have, in order for it
#to grow....
You guys are harsh!
;)
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 20:48:10 EDT
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From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Area of Effect Spells and Astral Targeting
On Sun, 13 Jul 1997 18:59:34 -0500 "Bruce H. Nagel"
<NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU> writes:
<snipping>
<<One neat little side-note: if you're ever blinded by darkness, and want
to shoot someone (not cast spells at them, that isn't possible without
Thermo), assense, take the +2 for acting physically while assensing, and
use Gaia's glow to see them and shoot. :) A small trick, but
occasionally very useful.>>
Question: Game balance aside, why couldn't you do the same for spell
casting? In fact, you'd probably be able to ignore the +2, since the
action of spellcasting is not wholly physical. After all, you're still
physically active so that you can actually cast a spell at a target on
the mundane world...
--
-Canthros (not that the dual-natured need worry about it, anyway:)
I had rather believe all the fables in the legends and the Talmud
and the Alcoran, than that this universal frame is without a mind.
--Francis Bacon
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 20:48:10 EDT
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From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Living material links
On Sun, 13 Jul 1997 12:47:01 -0400 "Steven A. Tinner"
<bluewizard@*****.COM> writes:
<<At the risk of being called an evil GM>>
I thought we had already established that fact:)
<<... do you think it would be feasible to use a runner's kid as a
material link for ritual sorcery?>>
Hmmm...You're not gonna do even more stuff to Bull are you? Seems like
nearly every time you come up with this stuff, a certain ork decker gets
himself socked...maybe not this time, though. No "Bull-Stay Out" in the
subject line:)
<<Going on the DNA theory, the child has at least PART of the father's
DNA right? So there should be a flicker of a weak link there, and then of
course there's the fact that the father/son emotional bond could act as a
link.>>
The problem, however, is that the child's aura is separate and distinct
from the parents' respective auras. There would be similarities, just as
there are similarities genetically, but the aura of the individual child
is unique and separate from that of his parents, even more so than his
genetic fingerprint.
<<Anyone have any problem with there being a similarity (Is that the
term?) link/connection between father and son?>>
You mean a sympathetic link? <getting Awakenings and Grimmy> also brought
the BBB:) I could see either sympathetic or symbolic links, but not a
material link in the sens that is required in the BBB. It's quite
possible (especially if the child spends little time around the parent in
question) that they could not function adequately as a sypathetic link,
mainly because I figure on any 'aural fingerprints' that might have been
left by the parent being integrated into the living, dynamic aura of the
child (or any living animal, for that matter). A symbolic link might be
iffy, mostly because the child is not a representation of what the parent
is like now, and may not even be a representation of the parent is
his/her youth. And, of course, the child contains only half of the
parent's DNA, not enough to function as a material link, IMO.
<<Any suggestions for combining this with blood magic for a truly hideous
ritual?>>
Oh, like you really need help on the evil GM trip:)
Ever read any of C.S. Friedman's books in the Dark Sun Trilogy? In there,
you could make a sacrifice (not necessarily a blood sacrifice, btw) to
make magic more powerful, the extra power this granted you depended a
great deal on the personal meaning the sacrificed item(s) held, for you
or for the person involved. I'd say that a child would mean some
seriously nasty magic if you used it that way <shudder>
--
-Canthros
I had rather believe all the fables in the legends and the Talmud
and the Alcoran, than that this universal frame is without a mind.
--Francis Bacon
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 20:54:22 EDT
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From: Tim Cooper <z-i-m@****.COM>
Subject: Re: how to
On Fri, 11 Jul 1997 15:05:14 -0600 Mike Loseke writes:
>Quoth Raven:
>>
>> yASIu asked:
>>
>> > How to convert damage codes from 1st edition to second???
>>
>> Add the numbers together, so 4M2 becomes 6M and so on. Grenades are
Not too good of an example, 'cause you could argue that 4M2 would stay
the same.... as all damage codes in SRII use a staging of 2.
> Cool, is this the listed formula, or does it just work out that way?
>I've never seen a formula for the conversion, but this sounds dead on
right.
Not really a listed formula, but I think something to that effect is
listed in the back of the BBB... and it's fairly workable.
~Tim
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 19:53:30 -0500
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Subject: Re: Shadowrun Fluffy? (Was: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,)
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At 06:34 PM 7/13/97 -0500, you wrote:
#You wrote:
#> The point is, 20 years ago, words like SOD and BUGGER were unacceptable.
#> Who's to say that 'Fuck' won't have lost all power to offend by then?
#> (And what's the use of a good swear word if it doesn't have some power
#> behind it?)
#Actually, it's really lost its power to offend anyone but the really
sensitive
#even today. It's bland now, overused, and can't really get to you.
I dunno, what would happen if you happened to say it to you boss??
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:24:13 -0500
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From: "Bruce H. Nagel" <NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Area of Effect Spells and Astral Targeting
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You wrote:
> Question: Game balance aside, why couldn't you do the same for spell
> casting? In fact, you'd probably be able to ignore the +2, since the
> action of spellcasting is not wholly physical. After all, you're still
> physically active so that you can actually cast a spell at a target on
> the mundane world...
It has nothing to do with game balance, it's the way the mechanics are
explained. You have to physically see the target to tell the spell how to
ground into it from the astral. Casting a spell on a target in the physical
world is partially a matter of synchronizing auras, and partly a matter of
physical (visual) targeting. The two are both necessary, either part left out
makes it impossible to cast.
Though if you are casting a spell while assensing, you don't suffer the +2, as
it's for non-magical activities.
losthalo, who's never figured these rules were hard to understand...
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:23:57 -0400
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With the recent posts about physical adepts (and me playing my
first), I was wondering what (if any) new powers other people had come up
with. Any takers?
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Subject: Re: Shadowrun Fluffy? (Was: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,)
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You wrote:
> #Actually, it's really lost its power to offend anyone but the really
> sensitive
> #even today. It's bland now, overused, and can't really get to you.
> I dunno, what would happen if you happened to say it to you boss??
I don't talk to my boss the way I do to other people in general anyway. That's
just another example. But it's been a long time since a curse word really
actually shocked me. Fourth grade or so, maybe.
losthalo, who got his foul-word education early
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> > Question: Game balance aside, why couldn't you do the same for spell
> > casting? In fact, you'd probably be able to ignore the +2, since the
> > action of spellcasting is not wholly physical. After all, you're still
> > physically active so that you can actually cast a spell at a target on
> > the mundane world...
> It has nothing to do with game balance, it's the way the mechanics are
> explained. You have to physically see the target to tell the spell how to
> ground into it from the astral. Casting a spell on a target in the physical
> world is partially a matter of synchronizing auras, and partly a matter of
> physical (visual) targeting. The two are both necessary, either part left out
> makes it impossible to cast.
Therein lies the dispute.
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> |
> |In a message dated 97-07-13 07:20:20 EDT, u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK
(Spike)
> |writes:
> |
> |>
> |> The point is, it's a voluntary sacrifice on the part of the
character.
> |
> |So if a player character were to get into the "Voluntary Blood Magic"
stuff,
> |it wouldn't be evil? That is kind of the "thread" I was looking for.
>
> It's not concidered evil for characters to voluntarily sacrifice large
bits
> of themselves to technology, is it? (Essence vs Cyber)
>
The way I see Blood Magic is that it's power like any other, it's in the
use that makes it evil. I could see it being somewhat evil if you use
someone else's blood and that person was TOTALLY comitted (as in mind,
body, heart, and soul comitment).
> It's not evil for characters to voluntarily sacrifice Karma to free
spirits,
> is it?
>
> Why should GOOD blood magic be different?
>
> |>
> |> Evil blood magic is the involuntary sacrifice type of magic....
> |> (And the type that draws the Horrors)
> |
> |WRONG!!! the Great Ghost Dance wasn't truly evil (end justifying the
means
> |and all) and was completely voluntary on the part of the dancers. It
got
> |their attention. Of course, so did the Sears Tower Incident...
>
> Will you stop saying "WRONG!!!" as if you're jumping up and down with
glee!
> And again, no, I'm not wrong.
> The Ghost dance drew the horrors because of the sheer magnitude of it
all.
> EVIL BLOOD magic can draw horrors in much smaller doses.....
I could see how the Great Ghost Dance would contain some evil. What if
those who were involved didn't realize that what made it so powerful would
be their lives? I know that if I wasn't told that the Great Work I would be
involved in would cost me my life, I might have reservations on the subject
as I was dying and that might put a taint on would otherwise be honerable
intentions.
SilverFire
"I merely chewed in self-defense."
-Draco the Dragon
"Dragonheart"
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:51:23 -0400
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From: "David J. Browne Jr" <Ronin55444@***.COM>
Subject: Re: NPC/Location Database Ideas
Is the NPC Database going to be like the SRCG by Paolo (sp?)? If so, is
could you put an override system into it to allow CG of NPC / Opponents with
higher then standard abilities...... I have a group who has been playing with
me for about 7 yrs, and comming up with individual Opponents which equal
their abilities can be a pain and time consuming (This is more for when they
pull their original group out of moth balls....I would like to come up with a
fistfull of opposition for them with little time.... something I have very
little of since I joined this list with its high traffic ;)
Thanks
Dave
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> Oooooohohohooo.... You are being an evil GM....
> Not one of Bulls kids though.... Pretty please?
Man what's with everybody and Bulls stinky foul Ork babies?
Here I thought I had done the world a favor by letting the Juggernaut eat
them ...
Just kidding!
Bull's kids a re mostly OK, and no, the ritual sacrifice idea was NOT for
him!
I used the concept with a voudoun in our campaign named Sangre.
He's a follower of Ghede, and has had a looonng rivalry with another Petro
voudoun named Ramirez.
Ramirez discovered that Sangre had fathered an illegitimate child (in the
PC's background) and captured the kid for use in a really nasty ritual.
I combined some elements of traditional voodoo, mixed in a little Cthulu,
swirled in a generous helping of Chariots of the Gods (ala Dream Park -
California Voodoo Game) and voila! We had a heck of a good game tonight!
The Sleestaks I mentioned the other day became Cthuloid Deep Ones.
Rmirez made a deal with a Horror, Cthulu and our old friend Mr. Darke to
have revenge on Sangre.
Oh yeah, I also mixed in a neutron bomb that was stolen from the wreckage
of an Ares space station. ;-)
Good old Bull with his 300+ total karma, and hideous karma pool took a
serious beating, and was challenged in combat for the first time in AGES!
I managed to whittle the four man team down from a combined total karma
pool, including team karma of over 130 to just 11 left in the team karma
pool!
Good fun was had by all, and at the end of the run, the players felt like
they had earned every karma point the received!
I'm dern happy about that!
Steven A. Tinner
bluewizard@*****.com
http://www.ncweb.com/users/bluewizard
"Uh-oh! Chongo!"
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> |To give an cry I've let out often lately, how does the caster
> |synchronize auras with several different people at the same time? Maybe
> |it's just me, but under the current explanation of Auras, it can't
> |really happen.
> How about him not just synchronising auras, but cycling through?
> That way, all the auras are targetted and affected, but at VERY small
> differences in time... Think of those Mandelbrot screensavers that cycle
> through all the colours......
Didn't someone on the list propose something like this once - I believe
the actual scenario he suggested was that a mage was halfway cycling
through opponents when he was killed, or something like that.
And no, it can't be cycling through. Otherwise you end up with the mage
deciding not to blast his buddies; area effect spells effect everyone
within the area. And the actual spell-threading behind it gets foogy -
what, the spell gets released with the first aura imprint, unleashes,
comes back to get refreshed?
What's it mean, this 'aura synching', anyway?
> |> > p. 45 of the New Grimoire. The spell is Quickened to the Armadillo Bar,
> |> > *not* a particular patron. Stink is an Illusion; it does not need an
> |> > aura to latch onto as a combat spell does.
> |> The "New Grimythingy"?
> I think by "new" he means "not the first edition one".
I didn't think it'd be that hard to understand!
> |A magician synchs to the perceived Aura, which is *not* the actual
> |Aura. The spell flies off in search of it and, since the perceived Aura
> |is not present, misses. Unless you assume that spells are Initiates and
> |able to penetrate the mask.
> Nope. The spell goes out seeking the PERCEIVED aura, heads directly for it
> and grounds through it.... It then comes across another aura hidden inside,
> but ignores it because this aura will do just fine thankyouverymuch....
> BANG!
Depends on how you define the Masking routine. Is it the mage's One
True Aura, with markups? Or is it a secondary image over the first? Or
is it just playing with the perceiving mage's mind?
Given he first, I can see spelling with no difficulty.
Given the second, I can see spelling with difficulty.
Given the third, I can't see spelling.
> |This makes Masking a bit too much like Shielding, so I can understand
> |why, for game balance, it was removed.
> Easy ways to reason it out as well....
Again, depending on how you reason Masking. The spell bumps into a fake
aura (or is given false parameters by the casting mage). Well, it looks
like it's the target, so it flows through - but to where? If it's a
falso image, it is by definition .not. the aura of the target. Ergo,
difficulties.
> |Makes sense, but it's wrong. Assensing is a natural extension of normal
> |eyesight and thus counts for targeting purposes. ("A magician cannot
> |cast spells directly at invisible beings.. except by using enhanced
> |vision or *astral perception*...")
Pardon me, but I must:
<nitpick>
> Astral perception has nothing to do with eyesight whatsoever.
> A blind mage could walk around without worry most of the time, as long as he
> was continually assensing.
</nitpick>
Replace 'eyesight' with 'senses.' Incidentally, almost all SR Astral
stuff written talks about Astral in terms of 'visible', 'viewing',
'sight' or 'vision.' Occasionally, 'assensing' or 'perception' come up,
but the former are much more prevalent.
> When you assense, you detatch your astral body VERY SLIGHTLY from the
> physical one, in order to see in astral space. Therefore, your eyesight
> matters not a jot.....
Oops. The </nitpick> should be down here.
> It's all just a matter of ruling HOW MUCH the astral body is detatched
> during assensing before it becomes fully detatched and loses control of the
> physical.....
> For example. Do you allow a mage to assense in order to see past a tight
> fitting blindfold? Possibly. A bag on the head (Magemask)? No.
... A fairly arbitrary decision, except that we want security to have
some way of stopping those mean mages.
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> > Makes sense, but it's wrong. Assensing is a natural extension of normal
> > eyesight and thus counts for targeting purposes.
> Nope.
Read my comments to Spike, vis a vis nitpicking.
> > The physical realm is the
> > least important portion of casting a spell; the spell energy jumps from
> > caster aura to target aura and takes place completely on Astral.
> To affect a physical target, it has to ground into their body, in the physical.
> That requires physically seeing the target.
Nope. You synch to an aura, not a physical structure. The spell
targets the aura. Follow.
> "A magician cannot, however, cast spells directly at invisible beings or beings
> in astral space [except] by using enhanced vision or astral perception." Quote
it
> correctly, it makes sense. You added that 'except'.
Corrected Third Printing, Bruce. The 'except' is part of the quote.
The obvious implication is that since you *can* assense invisible
creatures, you can 'bolt them. I don't see a hideous game imbalance
stemming from that.
> "A good rule of thumb is that magicians
> must see their targets with their eyes or a natural extension of those eyes."
Ahh. The reason for the nit. Again, you're assensing (astral sight)
the target. If you want to read it that tightly, you eliminate any
possibility of Astral combat, or targeting non-manifested elementals,
among other things.
> To ground a spell into the physical, the spell needs two things: visual (with
> physical senses) confirmation of the target, and a split-second synchronization
> of auras to tell the spell where, it astral, to go. Simple? Simple.
And incorrect. True? True. A mage is most likely to decide to target
something because he's seen it, yes, but it's not a requirement;
otherwise Ye Olde Blind Mage is SOL.
Just read the section on combat spells; because the auras are synched,
the spell energy leaps between the two. It crosses the distance in
Astral space; the spell is utterly unconcerned with physical matters
until it bumps into its target.
And note, that in the 'Astral glimpse' required to synch auras, the
magician _sees_ the aura of the target.
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> Well, medically that same condition can arise in humans... that is a
> person can hear and understand spoken speach perfectly fine, but are
> almost completely unable to speak coherently. themselves. It had to do
> with the connections between the parts of the brain for speech and
> comprehension/cognitive activity (or something... the "Mind, Brain, and
> Behavior" class that I took was two quarters ago.)
Aphasia (of which there are two kinds, both of which I forget the names
to. One allows you to understand speech but not produce words sensibly,
and the other is more or less vice versa.) Not exactly an evolutionary
advantage for a species to develop, is it?
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> Spell Targeting, p.130
> "... Magicians cannot directly affect what they cannot see..."
Does assensing provide visual information? Yes. Does an assensing
mage, then, see his target? Yes. Can he target an assensed-only
target? Yes, QED. (For quotes, see the Grimoire section on Astral, p.
86ff. Nearly all of it is described in terms of 'visual.')
Incidental: A mage cannot *directly* affect what he can see. An
area-effect spell indirectly targets a 'hidden' character and therefore,
seemingly, is legitimate.
> "A magician cannot, however, cast spells directly at invisible beings or beings
> in astral space by using enhanced vision or astral perception."
Quote correctly. "A mage cannot cast spells ... except by using
enhanced vision or astral perception..." From the sentence, the
conclusion can be drawn that one can indeed target an assensed creature.
> You must see the target, and astral-only sight does not count. It is clear,
> and simple. Sight and an unobstructed astral path (i.e. no barriers or
> intercepting magicians) are both required for a spell to be cast on someone.
> This is all spelled out in more detail on pp. 149-150, if you care to trake a
> look, it's fairly specific and clear, imo.
P. 149 yields this quote: "The magician, because of the working of the
astral forces that power the spell, is able to *see* the aura of the
target. This allows him to align or synchronize his aura with that of
the target, permitting the astral energy shaped by the caster to leap
between them, through astral space..." (emphasis mine).
Further down: "What happens next is that the spell grounds out into the
target through the target's aura. This is because of the previously
stated rule that things in astral space cannot directly directly affect
non-magical things in the real world, unless there is a bridge. The
bridge, in this case, is momentarily created by the spellcaster when the
auras are involved are synchronized."
At no time in this exchange is physically seeing the owner of the aura
made a necessity. The aura-synching is all that's required to target
and cast the spell.
Now, a mage may not always be checking around astrally (Invisibility
affects normal vision, so unless an invisible creature tips off the
mage, it's not likely to be noticed) and a someone hidden from view
cannot be targeted, as the interposed objects block astral perception.
There's no rules-imbalance created by this, nor does it clash with
existing SR rules.
> So, what is the dispute?
Do you realize I've been asking the same question?
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And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
Because They Pissed Me Off.
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Subject: Origins: Saturday Night Hive!
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Geez, I just got something like 450 messages after our server was down for
three days! Anyway, in a few days I and my intrepid band of role-playing
companions will be hitting the road (Ouch, dammit I wish they'd use softer
concrete!) for Columbus. We'll be gm'ing the Shadowrun Tournament
"Saturday Night Hive" on Thursday, Friday and Saturday and I'll probably be
around running some demos if the FASA folks want me to so if you're there
drop on by and say "Hi" Get in to the tournament if you can it should be
pretty cool.
<greg>
softer concrete!? what the hell am
I talking about?
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From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Physical Adept Powers
On Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:23:57 -0400 Aaron Jones <aaronj@******.COM>
writes:
> With the recent posts about physical adepts (and me playing my
>first), I was wondering what (if any) new powers other people had come
>up
>with. Any takers?
I would, if I had any to give you. However, you'll probably want to hit
the Physad's Handybook (available in Paolo's Archive
<http://www.interware.it/shadowrun>; somewhere)
--
-Canthros
I had rather believe all the fables in the legends and the Talmud
and the Alcoran, than that this universal frame is without a mind.
--Francis Bacon
http://members.aol.com/canthros1
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Subject: Re: Area of Effect Spells and Astral Targeting
Umm...okay, I thought I'd give you guys what I've go ton the matter here,
on affecting persons out of LOS with an Area-effect spell. First, you
cannot affect someone you cannot see (ie, out of your LOS/field of
vision) with an area-effect Combat spell. You have to be able to synch
auras with your target in that case, and you have to be able to the
target (and, by extension, his/her aura) to synch auras. And we all know
that manipulations are a different matter. Because they don't really
require you to synch auras with the target/victim:), you _can_ hit
somebody you can't see, but only with an area-effect _manipulation_. And
this is supported by passages in both the BBB and the Grimmy. So there;)
--
-Canthros
I had rather believe all the fables in the legends and the Talmud
and the Alcoran, than that this universal frame is without a mind.
--Francis Bacon
http://members.aol.com/canthros1
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From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Area of Effect Spells and Astral Targeting
On Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:24:13 -0500 "Bruce H. Nagel"
<NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU> writes:
<<It has nothing to do with game balance, it's the way the mechanics are
explained. You have to physically see the target to tell the spell how
to ground into it from the astral. Casting a spell on a target in the
physical world is partially a matter of synchronizing auras, and partly a
matter of physical (visual) targeting. The two are both necessary,
either part left out makes it impossible to cast.>>
Could you point out a passage where this is stated? As I recall, you're
never required to see the target, just his/her/its aura, to synch with
it. And yes, I did just check 'Spell Targetting' in the BBB. It stated
that a 'good rule of thumb' was that the magician should be able to see
the target with his eyes or 'a natural extension of those eyes', which
would appear to include binoculars (optical only, electronics don't count
because it's got to be the 'original image' of the target), cybereyes
(because the mage paid Essence for them) and (by my interpretation,
anyway) astral perception. Remote vision (like from a drone or a spell
like Clairvoyance) doesn't work. Apparently, however, vision enhanced
with a spell is fine, so long as it doesn't do things like allowing the
magician's vision to follow a curved line (like around a corner or over a
hill) (reference: see X-Ray Vision in Awakenings, pg.135)
<<Though if you are casting a spell while assensing, you don't suffer the
+2, as it's for non-magical activities.>>
My reasoning on that point, exactly.
<<losthalo, who's never figured these rules were hard to understand...>>
Are you kidding? The magic rules are probably the most ambiguous and
indistinct set of rules in the entire game, hence all the discussion on
them:)
--
-Canthros (WOW! I think this is going to be the most posts I've sent out
in a couple of days:)
I had rather believe all the fables in the legends and the Talmud
and the Alcoran, than that this universal frame is without a mind.
--Francis Bacon
http://members.aol.com/canthros1
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From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Living material links)
On Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:55:11 -0400 "Steven A. Tinner"
<bluewizard@*****.COM> writes:
<<Man what's with everybody and Bulls stinky foul Ork babies?>>
I think it has to do with them seeming to be your favorite targets:)
<<Here I thought I had done the world a favor by letting the Juggernaut
eat them ...>>
<<Just kidding!>>
You're a sick, sick, sick person, do you know that? Sadist, sick, sick,
sadistic person:)
<<Bull's kids a re mostly OK, and no, the ritual sacrifice idea was NOT
for him!
I used the concept with a voudoun in our campaign named Sangre. He's a
follower of Ghede, and has had a looonng rivalry with another Petro
voudoun named Ramirez.>>
Ah, one of Bull's friends.
<<Ramirez discovered that Sangre had fathered an illegitimate child (in
the PC's background) and captured the kid for use in a really nasty
ritual.
I combined some elements of traditional voodoo, mixed in a little Cthulu,
swirled in a generous helping of Chariots of the Gods (ala Dream Park -
California Voodoo Game) and voila! We had a heck of a good game
tonight!>>
I sense serious masochism here...
<<The Sleestaks I mentioned the other day became Cthuloid Deep Ones.
Rmirez made a deal with a Horror, Cthulu and our old friend Mr. Darke to
have revenge on Sangre.>>
Oh, boy <eye-rolling>.
<<Oh yeah, I also mixed in a neutron bomb that was stolen from the
wreckage of an Ares space station. ;-) Good old Bull with his 300+ total
karma, and hideous karma pool took a serious beating, and was challenged
in combat for the first time in AGES!>>
Ummm...I *think* that's a good thing (a neutron bomb?!)
<<I managed to whittle the four man team down from a combined total karma
pool, including team karma of over 130 to just 11 left in the team karma
pool!
Good fun was had by all, and at the end of the run, the players felt like
they had earned every karma point the received!>>
Well, as long as they enjoyed it, I guess:)
<<I'm dern happy about that!>>
At least he's a man who loves his work:)
--
-Canthros
I had rather believe all the fables in the legends and the Talmud
and the Alcoran, than that this universal frame is without a mind.
--Francis Bacon
http://members.aol.com/canthros1
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From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,)
On Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:31:46 -0500 "Bruce H. Nagel"
<NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU> writes:
<<I don't talk to my boss the way I do to other people in general anyway.
That's just another example. But it's been a long time since a curse
word really actually shocked me. Fourth grade or so, maybe.>>
'Shock' is not the same as 'offend'. I can be quite offended without
being shocked (for example, telling me to f*ck off will offend me
greatly, but it won't necessarily shock me, depending on the person). I'm
just more likely to be more offended if I'm shocked by it at the same
time.
<<losthalo, who got his foul-word education early>>
Didn't we all?
--
-Canthros, who learned most of those really neat words by 5th grade at
the latest (and picked up his worst cases of foul-mouth while with the
BSA:)
I had rather believe all the fables in the legends and the Talmud
and the Alcoran, than that this universal frame is without a mind.
--Francis Bacon
http://members.aol.com/canthros1
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 00:59:39 -0400
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From: Greg Childress <greg@***.EDU>
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At 12:02 AM 7/13/97 -0400, you wrote:
>> Well, medically that same condition can arise in humans... that is a
>> person can hear and understand spoken speach perfectly fine, but are
>> almost completely unable to speak coherently. themselves. It had to do
>> with the connections between the parts of the brain for speech and
>> comprehension/cognitive activity (or something... the "Mind, Brain, and
>> Behavior" class that I took was two quarters ago.)
>
>Aphasia (of which there are two kinds, both of which I forget the names
>to. One allows you to understand speech but not produce words sensibly,
>and the other is more or less vice versa.) Not exactly an evolutionary
>advantage for a species to develop, is it?
>
>
Broca's and Wernicke's Aphasia's named after the people who documented the
cases. Not easy to imagine as an evolutionary advantage but then again
neither is the appendix for humans (at least now). Could be vestigial and
improper functioning of a facility that is not used (Prehistoric Awakened
Talking White Shamanic Gorillas next week on Geraldo!)
<greg>
walking the god and worshiping Dog
Shamanic Worldview
or
the dyslexic Delimiter.
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 01:19:45 -0400
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From: Charles R Joseph <arcaneacuity@****.COM>
Subject: Net Books
I've been out of the loop for quite some time, and was wondering
if there were currently any shadowrun netbooks in developement. Also,
has there ever been a respectable quality netbook dedicated to Shadowrun
Magic?
Winter Wolfe Arcane
arcaneacuity@****.com
"When our hatred is violent, it sinks us even beneath those we hate."
-Francois de la Rochefoucauld
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 01:40:41 -0400
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From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Bull's Kids, our latest run,
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At 09:27 PM 7/13/97 +0100, Spike wrote these timeless words:
>|Any suggestions for combining this with blood magic for a truly hideous
>|ritual?
>
>Oooooohohohooo.... You are being an evil GM....
>Not one of Bulls kids though.... Pretty please?
>:)
>
Thanks Spike... Glad to see someone who DOESN'T want to see me get fragged
over yet again (Or at least my kids...:)). :]
Anyways, we got to play our once a monbth Shadowrun Campign again this
weekend. It was a continuation of the Space Run we did against the Horror
Artificer last month or so.
I get a call from Mr. Ares himself, Damion Knight, again. I really dread
getting those type of calls, because how do you tell him no, especially
when he pays so well??
Anyways, one of Tinner's possible "Chicago Solutions" was the Neutron Bomb
thta Ares had developed. No property damage, but would frag everything
living. the only problem with that is it would only get the Fleshforms,
not the spirits, so the idea was scrapped, and apparenty the bomb was
stored on Ares' Space Station. Well, unfortunately, while we were playing
Tag with Artificer and Mr. Darke, we managed to crash the space station.
Well, most of it came down around Australia, but not all of it. A large
chunk came down in the caribean area... the Bermuda Triangle to be
precise. Lovely. And that where we came in. Apparently the portion that
fell there had the bomb in it...
So we have to go underwater now...
This run really went into some semi-real Voodoo mythos, since one of our
players, Sangre, is a Voodoun following Ghede (sp?). And Tinner lifted a
lot of his ideas for this from the Dream park Book "California Voodoo
Games" (Good book, btw:)).
Anyways, Sangre has been seeing all these visoins involving a giant squid
or octopus or something, and the destruction of the world, and somehow it's
linked to the Voodoo Loa's, and the Neutron Bomb that Ares built.
So we get hired for this mission, and get shipped down to the caribbean
aboard a small Aircraft Carrier, where we're sipposed to be going aboard a
Sub...
We head out and start searching fr the wreckage in the sub with just our
team and the sub capation (I cant even remember his name now...:)). We
find nothing except for a crapload of scared Merrow, who are leaving the
area because of something called the Namo. We get back to the aircraft
carrier, and that's when the drek hits the fan...
The entire crew of the carrier (except for the Sub pilot... Boomer! that's
his name!:)) ends up being Namo (They're apparently these fish-men that can
imitate other people) and a bunch of them turn into duplicates of us,
including stats and skills! Ack!. Frtunately we didn;t take on our own
duplicates...;]
Anyways, between Johnny using magic fingers to pitch a stack of depth
charges across the deck, and Boomer ripping into things with a Firelance
Laser, we manage to escape (and blow up an Ares Big Boat!:)), so we run to
a hidden harbor in Jamaica run by a gun-runner named Reilly (And Eddie
Torres... But I'll let you ask Tinner about him. He was silly...:))
We re-equip, and get a better fix on the location of the wreckage from
Reilly, and head back out. Mr. White goes down in a Deep Sea suit, and we
find the wreckage. Unfortuantely, he gets attacked by yet another Namo
(Who we nicknamed Sea-Stacks, after the recent LotL thread...:)) and almost
gets his Suit ruptured...:] He manages to harppon the thing, and we find
an address scratched into the wall of the wreckage, and the Bomb is gone.
The Address is recognized by Sangre, who is from the area, as an Address in
Kingston, jamaica.
So we head back, and get a boat from Reilly, as well as a contact who'll
get us into Jamaica. As soon as we hit Jamaica, Sangre freaks out.
Apparently, he's got a s[plit personality, and this is the first time it's
come out around Bull and Johnny, so we were clueless. Sangre's other
personality is a completely mundane norm who was really freaked. We had to
knock him out to keep him from running off.
While Mr. White takes care of Sangre's other personality, I go shopping for
some supplies, and to pick up a vehice to get around jamaica in. I go to
the rental place,and they demand sixteen forms of ID (The best ID I had on
me was the one giving to me by Reilly's contact, which read "Neil t.O.B."
(figure that one out, kids,....:)) plus a Credit Card #, just ion case
"something" happens to the car. So I say fuck it, and tell them I want to
*BUY* something. they say what, and I say I need a van of some kind. Next
thing i know, I'm shelling out 100K for a Hover Van painted up like the
Mystery Mahine! :] Well worth 100K, if you ask me... In fact, I paid to
have the thing shipped back to cleveland after the run...;]
Anyways, I get back, and Ghede has possesed Sangre and is DETERMINED to go
to the church. In fact, he demands it, so we go.
We get there, and there is a note on the alter of the church (which was
Sangre's Alter Ego's home church) for Sangre, which says Kneel and pray.
Sangre goes up to read it, and the floor drops out from under him. he
falls, and we, of course, jump in after him...:]
Anyways, we land in a room that is sealed off by a Ward, and Bullet Proof
glass. On the other side, we see someone who is SUPPOSED to be dead, a guy
named Ramirez. Sangre had killed him earlier, and had turned him into a
worker Loa (Or whatever the Voodoo dudes do. Those rules are more than a
little fuzzy for me...:)). When we went into space, Sangre lost his link
to Ramirez, and now he was just turning up. He is also holding someone who
turns out to be Sangre's Son. At some point earlier in his life, Sangre
had been married. A nd while married, had slept with his Wife's Best friend
(Or was it his best friend's wife? Either way...) and gotten her pregnant,
though he never new about that. Ramirez was working up some Blood Magic to
burn one big ass spell into Sangre, and was using his Son to do it (Thus
Tinner's original thread).
Ramirez then proceeds to, in typical villain fashion, reveal his plans to
us. He was planning to summon one of the "Elder Gods" (A Horror) back to
the world, namely Cthulhu! (Thus the Squid/tentacles in Sangre's Visions)
To do this, he was preparing one big ass Blood Magic Ritual, involving
killing every living being in Kingston with the Neutron bomb!!!! Ack!
So he takes his leave, and statrts venting Clorine gas into this glass
chamber that we're stuck in, so Johnny and Sangre get to work on the
Ward?Barrier and me and Mr. White abuse the Bullet Proof glass (THICK
bullet proof glass).
We manage to get out and defeat a dozen or so more of these Namo, and then
beat Ramirez, who turns out to be working with/for Mr. Darke now. His eyes
(Which Sangre had cut out at some point) popped out and became a couple
dozen Watcher Spirits designed to pop every Spell Lock, Focus, and
Quickening in the room. So several of our quickenings need fixed...:(
Anyways, the Bomb ends up being buried a few feet below us, so Johnny
soummons up a big Earth Spirit to dig it up for us, and Me and Whitey go to
work trying to disarm it. the first thing to deal with is when we pop the
access hatch on it, there is a jury rigged (But not an Adam Jury Rigged:))
BIG RED BUTTON hooked up to let someone anually detonate the bomb just by
pushing the button. Also, there is a Watcher that was told to push the
button if the hatch was opened waiting inside the hatch.
So Johnny BARELY manages to pop the spirit before it pushes the button, and
we barel;y manage to disarm the thing before it goes off... And once
again, we save the world...:]
Ya know, I really HATE saving the world...
However, we were offered an Island for this run, plus w each got 100K
Nuyen, so all in all it wasnp;t too bad. However, we did get the living
Drek kicked out of us... I used up all 24 of my karma pool, as well as 8 of
our team pool keeping my ass alive, and I know everyone else was in similar
shape. hell, at one point, I got hit with 10D stun stuff, staged up 12
FRAGGING TIMES!!! (Tinner would have to pick a time like that to role all
successes... <grin>)
Fun run, but I'm REALLY ready to retire now...:] Argh...:]
I just need Cyberpirates, Rigger 2.0, an Eyepatch, and a Parrot, and I'm
set... Argh matey!!! :]
Bull-the-I-hope-you-enjoyed-story-time-Ork-Decker
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Subject: Re: Origins: Saturday Night Hive!
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At 12:38 AM 7/14/97 -0400, Greg Childress wrote these timeless words:
>Geez, I just got something like 450 messages after our server was down for
>three days! Anyway, in a few days I and my intrepid band of role-playing
>companions will be hitting the road (Ouch, dammit I wish they'd use softer
>concrete!) for Columbus. We'll be gm'ing the Shadowrun Tournament
>"Saturday Night Hive" on Thursday, Friday and Saturday and I'll probably be
>around running some demos if the FASA folks want me to so if you're there
>drop on by and say "Hi" Get in to the tournament if you can it should be
>pretty cool.
>
Hoi Greg...
I'll probably be around, though i'm not sure yet if I will make it or not
(This relies on me picking up some cash this week...:])
I'm going to try and get in Staurday Night Hive because it sounds like a
blast, and bugs are always fun... (Though don;t expect Mr. White to
agree...:)).
Anyways, who else is making it to Origins? Just curios... We've been
talking about Gen Con so much, we've neglected the other con...:]
Bull
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 02:16:54 -0400
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From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Bull's Kids,
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> I get a call from Mr. Ares himself, Damion Knight, again. I really dread
> getting those type of calls, because how do you tell him no, especially
> when he pays so well??
Currently, they have managed to hit Mr. Knight up for a yacht, (The BIG one
from RBB), and are making arrangements for a private island off the coast
of N'awlins.
The island will probably be a garbage dump similar to the Gomi island
Gibson wrote about.
> This run really went into some semi-real Voodoo mythos, since one of our
> players, Sangre, is a Voodoun following Ghede (sp?). And Tinner lifted a
> lot of his ideas for this from the Dream park Book "California Voodoo
> Games" (Good book, btw:)).
CFG in turn stole a lot of ideas from Chariots of the Gods.
Essentially saying that the ancient indian and aztech gods were actually
beings from space.
This in turn reminded me of Lovecraft's notions of Great Old Ones living in
space, and of course tied in with my good friends, the Horrors!
> We head out and start searching fr the wreckage in the sub with just our
> team and the sub capation (I cant even remember his name now...:)). We
> find nothing except for a crapload of scared Merrow, who are leaving the
> area because of something called the Namo.
Actually that's Nommo, a race of fish men that supposedly predate modern
voodoo.
They used a similar system of sympathetic magic.
Also, the whole underwater motif fit nicely with the legends of Atlantis,
as well as the Voodoo legend of Guinee, the City Beneath the Sea.
And since Cthulu is often referred to as rising from the ocean, I figured
where better than the Bermuda Triangle?
> The entire crew of the carrier (except for the Sub pilot... Boomer!
that's
> his name!:)) ends up being Namo (They're apparently these fish-men that
can
> imitate other people) and a bunch of them turn into duplicates of us,
> including stats and skills! Ack!. Frtunately we didn;t take on our own
> duplicates...;]
Actually, the crew weren't Nommo, they were replaced by Deep Ones, who had
been altered by Ramirez and Mr. Darke to enable them to mimic the PC's
exactly.
Visions of Dire Wraiths, Rom and Mucous Tick dancing through my head!
> Anyways, between Johnny using magic fingers to pitch a stack of depth
> charges across the deck, and Boomer ripping into things with a Firelance
> Laser, we manage to escape (and blow up an Ares Big Boat!:)), so we run
to
> a hidden harbor in Jamaica run by a gun-runner named Reilly (And Eddie
> Torres... But I'll let you ask Tinner about him. He was silly...:))
Anyone seen the Cheech and Chong movie "Still Smokin'"?
I just saw it the other night, and in there they do a bit about making a
movie called ET, except in their version, it stands for Eddie Torres, or
Extra Testicle.
Anywho, Cheech Marin wears this silly green ET nightshirt, and puts star
shaped deely bobbers on his head and walks around like a robot making
"beep-beep" noises and grabbing people's breasts.
I took one look and that bit and immediately decided that Eddie Torres was
a drugged out mage ... don't know why, but it made sense at the time, and
the runners needed a contact in Jamacia who knew some local history.
> So we head back, and get a boat from Reilly, as well as a contact who'll
> get us into Jamaica. As soon as we hit Jamaica, Sangre freaks out.
> Apparently, he's got a s[plit personality, and this is the first time
it's
> come out around Bull and Johnny, so we were clueless. Sangre's other
> personality is a completely mundane norm who was really freaked. We had
to
> knock him out to keep him from running off.
Briefly, Sangre was chosen by Ghede after he discovered his family and wife
killed by Ramirez.
Sangre's was then known as Pablo somthing-or-other, and was a generally
nice guy.
His dad was a big man on the island, and wanted to keep the BTL trade off,
(leaving the native pot farmers in business ;-))
Ramirez had him geeked.
When Pablo found the bodies, Ghede answered his call for power for
vengeance, and thus Sangre was created.
After killing a LOT of BTL runners, Sangre fled to the states.
His return to Jamacia snapped him back into Pablo mode until Ghede could
reassert control.
Oh yeah, the loa wanted the runners help desperetely, as if Cthulu WAS
summoned, his appearance would destroy Guinee.
> Anyways, we land in a room that is sealed off by a Ward, and Bullet Proof
> glass. On the other side, we see someone who is SUPPOSED to be dead, a
guy
> named Ramirez. Sangre had killed him earlier, and had turned him into
a
> worker Loa (Or whatever the Voodoo dudes do. Those rules are more than a
> little fuzzy for me...:)). When we went into space, Sangre lost his link
> to Ramirez, and now he was just turning up.
Ramirez went free, joined Mr. Darke and made a deal with the devil, so to
speak.
> He is also holding someone who
> turns out to be Sangre's Son. At some point earlier in his life, Sangre
> had been married. A nd while married, had slept with his Wife's Best
friend
> (Or was it his best friend's wife? Either way...) and gotten her
pregnant,
> though he never new about that. Ramirez was working up some Blood Magic
to
> burn one big ass spell into Sangre, and was using his Son to do it (Thus
> Tinner's original thread).
It was his brother's wife.
We decided on this little tidbit when Sangre went on an astral quest.
When my wizards have to pass the dweller, I allow the Players to influence
just what juicy little tidbits the Dweller on the Threshold announces.
Sangre decided that this would work for him, and of course, I
whole-heartedly threw it into the mix!
> We manage to get out and defeat a dozen or so more of these Namo, and
then
> beat Ramirez, who turns out to be working with/for Mr. Darke now. His
eyes
> (Which Sangre had cut out at some point) popped out and became a couple
> dozen Watcher Spirits designed to pop every Spell Lock, Focus, and
> Quickening in the room. So several of our quickenings need fixed...:(
Force 6 watchers with the only instruction being to POP every lock, focus,
or quickening they can reach.
Johnny was REAL worried for a moment, cause unless memory fails me has has
a total of like 12 quickenings, and foci on him.
Yes, we use focus addiction, but he's far too strong to fall to it, and
besides AFAIK, quickeneings do NOT tally into that, right?
> However, we were offered an Island for this run, plus w each got 100K
> Nuyen, so all in all it wasnp;t too bad. However, we did get the living
> Drek kicked out of us... I used up all 24 of my karma pool, as well as 8
of
> our team pool keeping my ass alive, and I know everyone else was in
similar
> shape. hell, at one point, I got hit with 10D stun stuff, staged up 12
> FRAGGING TIMES!!! (Tinner would have to pick a time like that to role
all
> successes... <grin>)
That was a truly obscene roll.
I was rolling 20+ dice, and almost all came up successes.
Bull was being tag-teamed by a group of 4 Deep Ones.
Those "Friends in Melee" rules are rough!
> I just need Cyberpirates, Rigger 2.0, an Eyepatch, and a Parrot, and I'm
> set... Argh matey!!! :]
And a clean pair of shorts!
Oh the plans I have for Capn' Bull ...
EGMLOL!!!!
Steven A. Tinner
bluewizard@*****.com
http://www.ncweb.com/users/bluewizard
"Uh-oh! Chongo!"
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 23:22:34 -0700
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From: The Spaceman <spaced@*.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject: [OT] Re: Origins: Saturday Night Hive!
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>>>>> Bull didst say unto the aether thusly:
# Anyways, who else is making it to Origins? Just curios... We've been
# talking about Gen Con so much, we've neglected the other con...:]
Harumph! "_the_ other con" indeed! Y'know, there're other gigs out
there, like Dragonflight up here in Seattle. ;P
Only prob with Dragonflight is a severe dearth of SR events. You'd
think in the original SR town there'd be a few events, but last year there
was only one scheduled (a couple got added the second day at _very_ short
notice.) And at this date, there's only two scheduled (and I'm running one of
those). Urgh.
So, anybody joining me at Dragonflight?
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 02:27:10 -0400
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Maybe Steve K, or Mike could better answer this question, but ... Does
anyone know
A - Who took those cool photos that are in the Seattle and London
Sourcebooks?
B - Why (aside from price) FASA stopped using photos in their books?
I always like them, but being a photo minor in college, that's to be
expected. ;-)
Also, we're thinking of dressing up a certain Ork Decker, and need some
suggestions for how to make DURABLE, easy to weat tucksm and ear points.
The greenish skin tone comes natural to Bull, so that shouldn't be a
problem ... ;-)
Steven A. Tinner
bluewizard@*****.com
http://www.ncweb.com/users/bluewizard
"Uh-oh! Chongo!"
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 09:08:16 +0100
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From: "Simon T. Sailer" <Simon.Sailer@*IBK.AC.AT>
Organization: University of Innsbruck, Austria
Subject: Re: [SR3] Combat Spells -- Level 6?
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> Heck, in the book, Dirk himself admits that he's just a lurker at the
> edges...he's pretty overwhelmed by Argent and the other "real"
> shadowrunners.
Some people on the list seem to have this certain point of view...
Shadowrunners are just street-junk, unable to get a normal job for
whatever reasons... And I wanted to say that I do not share this
view. On the contrary, I see runners much more like special forces
troopers...
Somebody mentioned that dirk were his favorite runner... And my point
was to express that dirk is NO runner.
> P.S. 2XS one of my favorite...probably second favorite after
> changling.
Mine too... the book is very good...
ss
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From: "Simon T. Sailer" <Simon.Sailer@*IBK.AC.AT>
Organization: University of Innsbruck, Austria
Subject: Re: 2XS/Dirk Montgomery (Was Combat Spells -- Level 6?)
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> Dirk is probably my favourite SR character to appear in FASA published
> stuff. Merely because he's not some shit-hot runner with tons of cybermods
> or magical skills. He's somewhere between 'ordinary guy' and
> 'shadowrunner', and to me, it represents the majority of the shadowrunning
> community. The non-elite.
> -Aj
Strange thought, if you ask me... What is wrong with tons of
cybermods and magical skills? That's what shadowrun is
all about...(aside from the roleplaying itself)
Runners have to own very special talents, eather cyber or magic (or
rigging, or decking.....). It's their job.
They are no ordinary guys. They are the elite.
And before another one calls me munch... having a powerful
character is certailnly not munchkinism... my characters have always
been extremely powerful, but nevertheless I'm a roleplayer, no
powergamer.
ss
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From: "Simon T. Sailer" <Simon.Sailer@*IBK.AC.AT>
Organization: University of Innsbruck, Austria
Subject: Re: Back to spoiler spaces, but don;t even *THINK*
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> Ok Sliver, before this goes any further, and Spike goes off on you,
> remember that Spolier *SPACES* are in the FAQ. If you haven't read it, ask
> Fro for it and memorize it.
FAQ, FAQ... Me for example, I have never recieved the FAQ... could
have happened to this guy, too.
> Spikes Mailer is like mine. It automatically opens the next message in teh
> queue, so when you put a spoiler on the top line of your post, well... He
> sees it. period. Doesn;t matter if he doesn'tr want to read it or not.
> it's there. Putting "(Possible spoilers)" in the subject line does drek
> for us, cause we don;t see the subject line till we've seen the post.
>Bull
Just a thought... Have you ever thought about stopping reading as
soon as you realize there are spoilers in the mail?
You shouldn't see more than one or two lines then...
And they can't spoil too much, can they?
ss (who dares writing this, knowing that bull is one of the
civilized listmembers who will answer in a polite
language, won't he?)
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From: "Simon T. Sailer" <Simon.Sailer@*IBK.AC.AT>
Organization: University of Innsbruck, Austria
Subject: Re: Surgery costs
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> I think that hardware is less expesive than surgery. Just look on Pathfinder project.
Pathfinder
> cost 150.000.000USD but launching of it, landing etc. was far more
> expensive. Same thing with cyberwar>
> yASIu...
Well, Ok, thats your opinion... But comparing surgery with a flight
to mars....
And another thing... could you do something about your mails? eg. set
the column widt to 70? Would make them easier to read...
ss
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People wrote:
> >My impression is that they are unable to assimilate spoken language;
> the
> >idea just doesn't work for them.
>
> Well, medically that same condition can arise in humans... that is a
> person can hear and understand spoken speach perfectly fine, but are
> almost completely unable to speak coherently. themselves. It had to
> do
> with the connections between the parts of the brain for speech and
> comprehension/cognitive activity (or something... the "Mind, Brain,
> and
> Behavior" class that I took was two quarters ago.)
Aphasia. The neurolinguistical term used to refer to any acquired (as
opposed to developmental) language disorder that follows a focal
(localised) brain lesion caused by a stroke, tumour, gunshot wound, or
an infection. (The main ones are: Broca's, Wernicke's, and a combination
of the two, Global Aphasia.) (And yep, I snuck it from one of my old
texts. The dust on it was something to be feared.)
Going on with that in mind, an Aphasia born to Sasquatch? Possible. This
would mean that there was some malformation in the Sasquatch's brain
that affected their ability to produce language. (And this means (in the
case of Sasquatch born Sasquatch) that the problem is no longer a case
of Aphasia.)
For all we know, Sasquatch speak the language from the Tower of Babel,
and therefore can understand us, but since we lost the ability to speak
it... (Snowcrash, anyone?) (Hey, wouldn't the old geezer's (Dragons,
IE...) be able to understand Sasquatches then? )
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From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: 2XS/Dirk Montgomery (Was Combat Spells -- Level 6?)
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At 09:16 7/14/97 +0100, you wrote:
>
>Strange thought, if you ask me... What is wrong with tons of
>cybermods and magical skills?
Nothing.
>That's what shadowrun is all about...(aside from the roleplaying itself)
Uh, no.
>Runners have to own very special talents, eather cyber or magic (or
>rigging, or decking.....). It's their job.
>They are no ordinary guys. They are the elite.
And how many of these 'Runners' are there in the world? 1 in 100,000,
Maybe. I don't see Shadowrun as a world just for these elite badass
runners. Its a world for everyone, and everyone has to find a place.
Everyone starts somewhere, nobody starts out as 'elite'. There is a huge
giant gap between what I would call a 'shadowrunner' and what I would call
a 'character I play in Shadowrun'.
-Adam
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From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Combat Spells -- Level 6?
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At 09:08 7/14/97 +0100, you wrote:
>Somebody mentioned that dirk were his favorite runner... And my point
>was to express that dirk is NO runner.
Nobody said he was. Nobody said Shadowrun had to be just about
shadowrunners, either.
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From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Organization: Plastic Warriors
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Kim Christiansen said on 16:15/13 Jul 97...
> So, on this topic, I just finished reading Never Deal With A Dragon again,
> and there was this dude named Radley in the book that was definite
> Cyber-Psychosis. He was flat out wacked. How do you fit that into the game
> via SR rules.
AFAIK, you don't.
> I have a character in my game that unless his CyberWare wasn't
> Alpha grade, he'd be a cyberzombie. He played it cool, detached, not quite
> human. But would it manifest itself as a detachment from humanity or a
> revenge on humanity??????????????
If you ask me, no. I don't believe that cyberpsychosis as CP2020
introduced it would happen to someone getting lots of cyberware. I'd
venture that the person you're referring to has either gone crazy through
"conventional" means, or was already a lunatic before he got the cyberware
installed (and what sane person would have major body parts removed to be
replaced by cyberware anyway?).
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Organization: Plastic Warriors
Subject: Re: Spell types (was Re: Centering vs Penalties)
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J. Keith Henry said on 12:20/13 Jul 97...
> > SR rulebooks don't, AFAIK, say anything about having to have a target on
> > which an area-effect spell must be centered, and I allow any spell,
> > including combat spells, to be aimed at a point in space.
> >
> Then I really hope you also allow for those people caught in the area effect
> of such spells to have access to their armor for resisting the damage.
Why should area-effect combat spells be resisted by armor if they can be
aimed at a point in space? DMs sure, they attack from the outside, but
combat spells attack from inside out. I'd like to see body armor that
protects against that...
Furthermore, I don't see what the big fuss is about -- there is no
difference to the resistance if an area-effect combat spell is aimed at a
person or a meter beside him/her.
> "Ground" is a target 3 or 4 in the book, sidewalk is a bit
> higher...etcetera. That could stage up the damage really, bloodily, fast.
Would you mind running that by me again? I have no clue what you're
talking about...
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Organization: Plastic Warriors
Subject: Re: Living material links
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J. Keith Henry said on 15:34/13 Jul 97...
> Actually, it's the second strongest link in the game mechanics. The first is
> the Mother's Connectivity (she carried him longer, more "aura brushoff" as
it
> were.
But that's not going to help if a bunch of magicians want to get to the
kid's _father_...
> > Any suggestions for combining this with blood magic for a truly hideous
> > ritual?
> >
> Actually, there are tons of them ... but I'm not going to help "spread the
> disease of wicked gmness..." ;)
Tinner is beyond rescue already :)
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Damion Milliken said on 1:27/14 Jul 97...
> Unfortunately, no - I decided that lurking was boring (I was reading all
> these cool threads that I wanted to post comments about, but couldn't since
> they were from October last year... :-)).
I know what you mean, when I read through saved posts of a year or so ago
I sometimes have the same urge :)
> I hope he's got a lot of time to collate all of the suggestions he'll get.
> I've got some 30 points to bring up... Do people think it would be better
> to:
>
> a) Send such suggestions directly to Steve?
That way none of us will get to comment on them...
> b) Post suggestions collated in one big message so that those who couldn't
> care less can nuke them easily?
> c) Post suggestions individually so that they can be discussed by the list?
How about a combination of b and c? Put 5 or 10 suggestions in one
message, so it doesn't get too big, but there aren't 30 post either?
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 12:49:23 +0100
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From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Fluffy? (Was: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,)
In-Reply-To: <01IL74ZBKNEA9I56XP@******.acs.muohio.edu> from "Bruce H.
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|
|You wrote:
|> The point is, 20 years ago, words like SOD and BUGGER were unacceptable.
|> Who's to say that 'Fuck' won't have lost all power to offend by then?
|> (And what's the use of a good swear word if it doesn't have some power
|> behind it?)
|Actually, it's really lost its power to offend anyone but the really sensitive
|even today. It's bland now, overused, and can't really get to you.
My point exactly....
I imagine "FRAG" and "DREK" have much more insulting/disturbing/filthy
connotations than "FUCK", in the rwal Shadowrun world....
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Subject: Re: Area of Effect Spells and Astral Targeting
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|One neat little side-note: if you're ever blinded by darkness, and want to
|shoot someone (not cast spells at them, that isn't possible without Thermo),
|assense, take the +2 for acting physically while assensing, and use Gaia's glow
|to see them and shoot. :) A small trick, but occasionally very useful.
I've used that very technique against invisible Mages before now....
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Subject: Re: Area of Effect Spells and Astral Targeting
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|It has nothing to do with game balance, it's the way the mechanics are
|explained. You have to physically see the target to tell the spell how to
|ground into it from the astral. Casting a spell on a target in the physical
|world is partially a matter of synchronizing auras, and partly a matter of
|physical (visual) targeting. The two are both necessary, either part left out
|makes it impossible to cast.
Not IMpossible, just more difficult.
YOu'd need a link to ground through, like a spell lock if you cast while
assensing.....
|Though if you are casting a spell while assensing, you don't suffer the +2, as
|it's for non-magical activities.
Twoo.... Vewy twoo....
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 15:25:40 +0300
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I am thinking of running my decker through a massive attack on a VERY hot
host. He will just be one of the many deckers hired there, but there is
just a slight 8) problem...
Nowhere in the SR or the VR 2.0 is an explicit rule about deckers running
together in the same host. There is just a statement of a decker going
into a system alerted, having the same security tally with the system.
From this, and a discussion with my decker player, I have come upon the
following rules:
Deckers co-existance (version 1.0b)
o It is every man for himself, as long as the system doesn't notice.
If the system is not in an alerted mode (passive or active), the security
tally for each decker is personal.
o When the drek hits the fan, all should take cover.
When the system becomes alerted (from nothing to passive, from passive to
active alert) the security talies of all the illegal icons in the system
are set to the minimum required to set off this alert, except of the
triggering decker's, which is as normal.
o It is a brave new world...
If a decker's security tally raises due to a state change caused by
another, no events from the previous states are triggered, but what was
active remains so. The only trigger that activates is the one in this new
security tally, those jumped over remains inert.
What do you think? Is this close to how you solved the problem?
Also, related:
If a decker fights an IC, can others help him?
And whom will the IC attack then?
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 13:32:50 +0100
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From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Back to spoiler spaces, but don;t even *THINK*
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|Just a thought... Have you ever thought about stopping reading as
|soon as you realize there are spoilers in the mail?
|You shouldn't see more than one or two lines then...
|And they can't spoil too much, can they?
The spoiling post in question was only 2 lines long.
I didn't want to know ANYTHING about B5.
I didn't want any hint on what happened to Mr Garibaldi, and I certainly
didn't want to know he got amnesia and later got his memory back!
| ss (who dares writing this, knowing that bull is one of the
| civilized listmembers who will answer in a polite
| language, won't he?)
Even Bull's been known to fly off the handle occasionally.
Anyway, from this point on, ANYONE writing ANYTHING that might contain ANY
spoilers, whatsoever, LEAVE 30 BLANK LINES! (With the top line saying
"SPOILER FOR <WHATEVER>"
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|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Area of Effect Spells and Astral Targeting
On Mon, 14 Jul 1997 13:00:27 +0100 Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
writes:
>Not IMpossible, just more difficult.
>YOu'd need a link to ground through, like a spell lock if you cast while
>assensing.....
Why would you need a link to ground through if you're only perceiving?
You'd need one if you're projecting, but if you're perceiving you're
already on the physical plane, you don't need to do anything really major
(like grounding through an active focus) to cast a spell at a purely
physical target.
--
-Canthros
I had rather believe all the fables in the legends and the Talmud
and the Alcoran, than that this universal frame is without a mind.
--Francis Bacon
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From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Net Books
On Mon, 14 Jul 1997 01:19:45 -0400 Charles R Joseph
<arcaneacuity@****.COM> writes:
> I've been out of the loop for quite some time, and was
>wondering if there were currently any shadowrun netbooks in
>developement. Also, has there ever been a respectable quality netbook
>dedicated to Shadowrun Magic?
Well, the NERPS list has got the Neo-Anarchist's Guide to the World in
the works right now, Gurth or one of NERPS people (which does not include
me) can probably fill you in there. There's also some work going on with
a Newbie's Guide to Shadowrun, which Bull can probably best tell you
about:) As for a net.magic sourcebook, I don't know of any .net
sourcebook even really about magic, specifically.
--
-Canthros
I had rather believe all the fables in the legends and the Talmud
and the Alcoran, than that this universal frame is without a mind.
--Francis Bacon
http://members.aol.com/canthros1
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 08:45:53 -0500
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From: William Monroe Ashe <wma6617@*NIX.TAMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Physical Adept Powers
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On Sun, 13 Jul 1997, Aaron Jones wrote:
> With the recent posts about physical adepts (and me playing my
> first), I was wondering what (if any) new powers other people had come up
> with. Any takers?
>
The "Morph", "Body Morph", "Chameleon" power that was
discussed a while
ago here was really fun. I have had a ball playing that character. I
need to search through my old stuff I think that I may have accidentally
deleted it. There should be something in the archives though.
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 07:52:36 -0600
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From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: [OT] Happy Fun Ball!!
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97 10:37:52 pm
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GRANITE wrote:
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| Since nobody else mentioned it..I'll do it..
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| Did anyone else Notice the Happy Fum Ball [TM] in MiB?? I started
| laughing in the theater as soon as I Saw it..My wife thought I was
| crazy...
Are you talking about that ball that went bouncing all over the
place? Or was it somewhere else? (If so, please let me know so I
can look for it when I see the movie again.) BTW, that movie Ruled!
-David
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm
--
"Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing
which ones to keep."
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 07:57:42 -0600
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From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: Living material links
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Jul 13,
97 12:47:01 pm
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Steven A. Tinner wrote:
|
[snip: using a runner's kid against him]
|
| Any suggestions for combining this with blood magic for a truly hideous
| ritual?
None whatsoever. However, I'd love to know what you figure out
(being an EGM and having a PC that has a child).
-David
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm
--
"Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing
which ones to keep."
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 07:58:31 -0600
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From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: Hacking
In-Reply-To: <199707131618.KAA26951@******> from "Drekhead" at Jul 14,
97 12:14:34 pm
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Drekhead wrote:
|
| On 12 Jul 97 at 23:49, Adam J wrote:
|
| > I would disagree with this one. I thought that the 'Paperless'
| > office was supposed to have already happened, but I don't see it..
| > My 'office', as it is, is piled high with paper. Print outs,
| > magazines, books, everything. I realize the matrix is supposed to
| > be integrated much more than todays computer networks, but I can
| > still see stacks of paper and books on peoples desks.
|
| Absolutely. Management would not be able to function without their
| pounds and pounds of hardcopy.
An then along comes Human Resources which increases the ammount of
paper by a factor of x10.
-David
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm
--
"Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing
which ones to keep."
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 08:04:54 -0600
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From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: Dwarven Opera Singer (Was - Re: SLARP v1.2)
In-Reply-To: <199707121505.JAA17261@******> from "Caric" at Jul 12,
97 07:21:17 am
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Caric wrote:
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| | > I let my players create their own contacts (with approval from me).
| |
| | If only they all had that much motivation. ;) I create the actual
| | contacts, but they create their history with them. Thus, they decide how
| | they met, etc.
|
| Dangerous, very dangerous. Make 'em hang themselves eh? ;)
Oh yes <BEGMG>. The better the contact, the more baggage he's got.
-David
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm
--
"Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing
which ones to keep."
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> |
> | Since nobody else mentioned it..I'll do it..
> |
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> |
> |
> |
> | Did anyone else Notice the Happy Fum Ball [TM] in MiB?? I started
> | laughing in the theater as soon as I Saw it..My wife thought I was
> | crazy...
>
> Are you talking about that ball that went bouncing all over the
> place? Or was it somewhere else?
None other...It contains all of the properties..Although I never
realised the Happy Fun Balls come from outer space..
>.....BTW, that movie Ruled!
Yes..it did..I went twice.. :)
--------------------------------GRANITE
"Rock Steady"
===============================================
Lord, Grant Me The Serenity To Accept The Things I Cannot Change,
The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
Because They Pissed Me Off.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ShadowRunner's Serenity Prayer
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 08:18:19 -0600
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From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: [OT] Little Wooden Boy
In-Reply-To: <199707121528.JAA17404@******> from "Caric" at Jul 12,
97 07:59:21 am
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Caric wrote:
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| | > Basically every one that's been mentioned so far. Plus, the original
| | > Scooby Doo, Captain Caveman, Bullwinkle... And then the Smurfs came
| | > along and it went downhill from their. Only recently have cartoons
| | > made a comeback with Reboot, Alladin, Superman, Batman, Darkwing
| | > Duck, and others.
| |
| | David, please, how can you forget THE TICK?
| |
| | For god's sake man....
| |
| |
| | SPOON!
|
| I am anxiously awaiting the arrival of the "Little Wooden Boy" action
| figure. :)
Five pieces of wood, some old chain from a playground swing, and a
sodering gun, and you've got your own little wooden boy :)
-David
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm
--
"Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing
which ones to keep."
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David Buehrer wrote:
> Caric wrote:
> |
> | | > Basically every one that's been mentioned so far. Plus, the
> original
> | | > Scooby Doo, Captain Caveman, Bullwinkle... And then the Smurfs
> came
> | | > along and it went downhill from their. Only recently have
> cartoons
> | | > made a comeback with Reboot, Alladin, Superman, Batman, Darkwing
>
> | | > Duck, and others.
> | |
> | | David, please, how can you forget THE TICK?
> | |
> | | For god's sake man....
> | |
> | |
> | | SPOON!
> |
> | I am anxiously awaiting the arrival of the "Little Wooden Boy"
> action
> | figure. :)
>
> Five pieces of wood, some old chain from a playground swing, and a
> sodering gun, and you've got your own little wooden boy :)
>
> -David
> http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm
> --
> "Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing
> which ones to keep."
No, your wrong, little wooden boy is REAL!!!
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 08:29:53 -0600
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From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: (Skill+Att)/2
In-Reply-To: <199707120946.DAA14761@******> from "Gurth" at Jul 12,
97 11:38:43 am
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Gurth wrote:
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| David Buehrer said on 13:50/11 Jul 97...
|
| Now I'm even thinking on the same wavelength as David. I must be getting
| senile... :)
Nope. If you're on the same wavelength as Spike, you're getting senile.
If you're on the same wavelength as me you've crossed the fine line between
creativity and... uh, something :)
| > Hmm. And if you don't have a related skill all you would get would
| > be the bonus dice, if any (instead of tracing through the skill
| > web) with, say, a +1 modifier to the TN.
|
| The only problem here is how do you attempt tasks for which you don't have
| the skill _and_ the related Attribute isn't high enough to give bonus
| dice? Unless of course you want to keep the skill web, but it looks to me
| like the whole point of trying to incorporate Attributes into skill tests
| is to do away with that.
Well, I'd like to see a system that doesn't necessarily allow a character
to default to every skill. When I first started playing we misinterpreted
the rules and subtracted 2 dice per dot. A character with low attributes
couldn't default to everything. However, Fubar the Troll didn't need to
take any combat skills because his physical attributes were so high (after
being modified by cyber- and bodyware).
If you take FoF's recoil table (or a version of it) and modify it to
equal the number of default dice per attribute and subtract one die
per dot passed through on the skill web, I *think* it would work.
And yes, a low attribute would mean that a character wouldn't be able
to default with that attribute, which IMHO is realistic.
-David
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm
--
"Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing
which ones to keep."
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 15:36:38 +0100
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From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: (Skill+Att)/2
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|Nope. If you're on the same wavelength as Spike, you're getting senile.
|If you're on the same wavelength as me you've crossed the fine line between
|creativity and... uh, something :)
I think I'll pretend I didn't see that......
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 09:48:23 -0500
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At 04:39 AM 7/12/97 -0400, Bull wrote:
>and plan to use some of United Brotherhood
_Universal_ Brotherhood, Bull.
Rasputin-the-going-to-GenCon-for-free-magekin
http://www.bcl.net/~rasputin
http://www.blackhand.org/
The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're going to be
when you kill them. -- William Clayton
Gencon count down: 23 days
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:49:06 -0400
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> From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
> Date: Monday, July 14, 1997 10:04 AM
> Caric wrote:
> Justin wrote:
> | | If only they all had that much motivation. ;) I create the actual
> | | contacts, but they create their history with them. Thus, they decide
how
> | | they met, etc.
> | Dangerous, very dangerous. Make 'em hang themselves eh? ;)
> Oh yes <BEGMG>. The better the contact, the more baggage he's got.
That is SOOOOOO true! I have one pseudo-munchkiny player who is a physical
mage and wanted his girlfriend to be a physical adept and his father to be
a mage (and an impressive one, at that). Thus, I gave him what he
wanted....and then some. His father's a wage mage for Aztechnology (grin),
and his girlfriend has LOTS of interesting things about her. First of all,
she's Japanese and won't talk about her family....hmmmm....I wonder what
that could mean.... ;) Second, she's taking medication daily, and has
given him a reason for it, but he doesn't buy her excuse and feels she is
taking it for something serious....who knows? ;)
Also, she despises shadowrunning for whatever reason and continually nags
at him to turn himself into Lone Star and get a SIN and a real job *bats
eyelashes*. ;)
Hey, you want that kind of contact, you get that kind of baggage. :)
> -David
Justin :)
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:52:05 -0400
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From: Justin Pinnow <vanyel@*******.NET>
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> From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
> Date: Monday, July 14, 1997 9:57 AM
> Steven A. Tinner wrote:
> [snip: using a runner's kid against him]
> | Any suggestions for combining this with blood magic for a truly hideous
> | ritual?
> None whatsoever. However, I'd love to know what you figure out
> (being an EGM and having a PC that has a child).
I am of the mind to think that because the child is a living being with his
own aura, that he cannot be used as a material link to anyone. Otherwise,
by shaking someone's hand, that person can be used as a sympathetic link to
you...ick. I believe that the TNs for sympathetic link are pretty high,
and should stay that way...and I don't think it should be made any easier
than necessary to get a link to someone with ritual sorcery.
I can't comment on the whole blood magic thing, because I don't have any
sourcebooks that cover it. :(
> -David
Justin :)
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:04:27 -0500
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At 08:04 AM 7/14/97 -0700, GRANITE wrote:
>> |
>> | Since nobody else mentioned it..I'll do it..
>> |
>> | M
>> | I
>> | C
>> | R
>> | O
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>> | P
>> | O
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>> | i
>> | B
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> | Did anyone else Notice the Happy Fum Ball [TM] in MiB?? I started
>> | laughing in the theater as soon as I Saw it..My wife thought I was
>> | crazy...
>>
>> Are you talking about that ball that went bouncing all over the
>> place? Or was it somewhere else?
>
>None other...It contains all of the properties..Although I never
>realised the Happy Fun Balls come from outer space..
>
First of all, you are crazy, Granite.
And don't you remember? "Happy fun ball contains a liquid core which was
discovered when it fell to earth (presumably from space)" :)
BTW: "Move when it comes at you!"
Rasputin-the-going-to-GenCon-for-free-magekin
http://www.bcl.net/~rasputin
http://www.blackhand.org/
The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're going to be
when you kill them. -- William Clayton
Gencon count down: 23 days
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:07:15 +0000
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From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: cyberware and it's effects on the psyche and body
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On 13 Jul 97 at 16:15, Kim Christiansen wrote:
> So, on this topic, I just finished reading Never Deal With A Dragon again,
> and there was this dude named Radley in the book that was definite
> Cyber-Psychosis. He was flat out wacked. How do you fit that into the game
> via SR rules.
How do I fit it in? The guy is flat out whacked. It is a mental
condition and has nothing to do with cyberware. Are you saying that
only people with cyberware can lose their sanity? Of course not,
because it simply isn't true.
>I have a character in my game that unless his CyberWare wasn't
> Alpha grade, he'd be a cyberzombie. He played it cool, detached, not quite
> human. But would it manifest itself as a detachment from humanity or a
> revenge on humanity??????????????
Whatever way he, or any character, wants to play it.
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:09:26 -0500
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From: "Faux Pas (Thomas)" <thomas@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Alternate Etiquette rules
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At 01:47 AM 7/13/97 -0600, Adam J whispered:
>Well, I finally got these done up.. there's nothing earth shaking, and I
>haven't written the rules for the Etiquette skill web, or the skill web
>itself, but here goes. Comments and critisisms welcome and encouraged.
>
>Basic Etiquette Skills
>----------------
>
>Gang, Matrix, Corporate, Tribal, Street, Goverment, Tribal, Culture
>
>Etiquette (Matrix): You can operate in the matrix without making an ass of
>yourself. You can name important online places, personalities, and know
>how to behave in those places.
>Concentrations: Per location or 'other'
>Examples:
>Etiquette (Matrix) (Mailing lists), Etiquette (Matrix) (Neuro Blade)
>Etiquette (Matrix) (Crime)
Also under Matrix, you should note that several of the non-Matrix etiquette
skills now offered in various sourcebooks (Music Biz comes to mind) also
have Matrix equivalents.
-Thomas Deeny
Your Guide to Shadowrun -- http://shadowrun.miningco.com -- updated every
Wednesday!
Thomas's World is http://telltale.hart.org -- come visit!
"First I'm going to bother every one I meet, and then I'll go home and get
drunk."
-Tippy Turtle
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:16:19 +0000
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From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Fluffy? (Was: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,)
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On 13 Jul 97 at 19:53, Jaymz wrote:
> #even today. It's bland now, overused, and can't really get to you.
> I dunno, what would happen if you happened to say it to you boss??
Nothing. He says it to me all the time! :)
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:25:34 -0400
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Adam wrote:
>
>
> >Runners have to own very special talents, eather cyber or magic (or
> >rigging, or decking.....). It's their job.
> >They are no ordinary guys. They are the elite.
>
> And how many of these 'Runners' are there in the world? 1 in 100,000,
> Maybe. I don't see Shadowrun as a world just for these elite badass
> runners. Its a world for everyone, and everyone has to find a place.
> Everyone starts somewhere, nobody starts out as 'elite'. There is a huge
> giant gap between what I would call a 'shadowrunner' and what I would
call
> a 'character I play in Shadowrun'.
I have to agree with Adam, one of my Street Sams is just a jumped up
ganger, she has a small degree of professionalism (when she has it
together, the chemicals used to adapt her body to the cyber caused an
imbalance so she's a screwed in the head. It is NOT cyberpsychosis, though
many might think it is.), but she anything but elite.
Actually most of my characters fall in that range, they have a degree of
professionalism, but are hardly amongst the elite. The same held true for
most of the characters in group I was in, it may have changed, but except
for some of the people who's characters had there for awhile and they were
professionals.
SilverFire
"I merely chewed in self-defense."
-Draco the Dragon
"Dragonheart"
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 17:11:16 MEZ-1MESZ
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From: HAUPT ULRICH FB08 <sandman@****.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Organization: University Of Oldenburg Comp.Center
Subject: I'd like to know ...
Hello !
I have thought about some questions which I would like
to have answered. Maybe some of them are considerable
to the third edition SR3!
1) Watchers have a base time of 120 minutes to find
people, (IMO: astrally) known by the summoner. A
sorcerer travelling astrally has just the role playing
chance to find someone. And now for the question ...
Are watchers better at finding people than his master ?
2) How long does initiation take ?
I think it should take at least 1 day per grade if
no quests are wanted.
3) In my opinion the damage from falling is too harmless!
One Character jumped out of a window and missed the rope.
So he was falling 14 Meters (ca.42 ft) down on the street.
He had to resist 6T (7T-halve impact armor) and got only
medium damage. I think there should be at least some
broken bones if falling such distances! I suggest the power
should no be halve hight in Meters. Better take just the
hight itself!
What do you think ?
4) When does the bonding from a focus break ? A thief
stole two spell locks and a force 2 power focus. I
could not find a rule what exactly must happen to break
the bonding! Is it enough to seperate the focus (what
distance?) from the wizard or be there be something
magical?
5) If the bonding was not broken shouldn't it be very
simple for the sorcerer to track the astral trace back ?
How does a hermetic circle or ward disturb the astral
line ? Any ideas ?
6) And now for something completely different ;-)
Which modifiers conzern an attacker shooting out of a
driving car shooting someone running from it ?
(A Chrysler-Nissan Patrol-One driving at 25 mph through
a park hunting the _poor_ shaddow runners running away!)
7) I found in VRII that the damage codes have the following effect:
L - 1 box
M - 2 boxes
S - 3 boxes
T - 6 boxes
Is it a printing error or didn't I got the idea ? (I'm sure you
have disussed this earlier, haven't you ? )
thank you for your effords of answering me !
Sandman
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 09:38:52 -0600
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From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
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At 17:11 7/14/97 MEZ-1MESZ, you wrote:
>Hello !
>3) In my opinion the damage from falling is too harmless!
Alternate falling rules in one of the Plastic Warrior books (See Gurths
sig). Its in either Project3 or Paranoid Animals..
I just got access to a laser printer, weee!!! :)
>7) I found in VRII that the damage codes have the following effect:
>L - 1 box
>M - 2 boxes
>S - 3 boxes
>T - 6 boxes
>
>Is it a printing error or didn't I got the idea ? (I'm sure you
>have disussed this earlier, haven't you ? )
A typo, I'm pretty sure.. :)
-Adam
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 09:37:37 -0700
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> >> | Since nobody else mentioned it..I'll do it..
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> First of all, you are crazy, Granite.
Well......Yea..So?
> And don't you remember? "Happy fun ball contains a liquid core which was
> discovered when it fell to earth (presumably from space)" :)
That's right..I had forgotten that...But as you now know that is just
a cover story..To protect the public sanity...
> BTW: "Move when it comes at you!"
This is good advice...
--------------------------------GRANITE
"Rock Steady"
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Lord, Grant Me The Serenity To Accept The Things I Cannot Change,
The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
Because They Pissed Me Off.
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:45:33 -0500
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At 02:27 AM 7/14/97 -0400, Steven A. Tinner wrote:
>The greenish skin tone comes natural to Bull, so that shouldn't be a
>problem ... ;-)
I know you used a smiley and all, but since I fig. you're joking about
Bull, I thought this needed mentioning: orks are green.
Rasputin-the-going-to-GenCon-for-free-magekin
http://www.bcl.net/~rasputin
http://www.blackhand.org/
The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're going to be
when you kill them. -- William Clayton
Gencon count down: 23 days
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:47:11 -0500
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From: "Bruce H. Nagel" <NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Focusing Efforts
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You wrote:
> Another gripe, stop comparing anything to the 2nd edition AD&D
> changeover. All you are listening to is the people that want to vocal
> about it so they can bitch, moan, and complain. I worked at a game store
> when it came out and for several years after. I just want to know how do
> you define disappointment?
No, I've long since forgotten about AD&D except that it was my introduction to
roleplaying. I just don't want to see a 3rd ed of SR just for the sake of
collecting material. If it doesn't have any major improvements, it won't
really increase my enjoyment of the game, I'll have to buy it for a few small
changes, when bigger improvements could be made. That's why I compared it to
2nd ed AD&D, which was more organized (being in two rulebooks) but
disappointing in that few rules were changed, mostly just small things.
I'd just rather have SR3.0 than SR2.2(bug-fixed), was what I was trying to say.
losthalo
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:52:48 -0400
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Rasputin said:
>I know you used a smiley and all, but since I fig. you're joking about
>Bull, I thought this needed mentioning: orks are green.
>
>Kohl replys:
> NO, NOT THE MAJORITY OF THEM!!! Maybe some of those of caucasian birth
>has a slight greenish pigmentation to their skin tone, but orks express the
>various racial idiosyncrasies and skin color variations as their parent
>ethnic groups.
>
>Kohl, part Black, part Irish, ALL ORK! [Born in Liverpool, don't you know!]
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:57:50 -0500
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>Rasputin said:
>>I know you used a smiley and all, but since I fig. you're joking about
>>Bull, I thought this needed mentioning: orks are green.
Damn. I meant "orks aren't green". See what happens when you don't
proofread?
Rasputin-the-going-to-GenCon-for-free-magekin
http://www.bcl.net/~rasputin
http://www.blackhand.org/
The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're going to be
when you kill them. -- William Clayton
Gencon count down: 23 days
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:56:05 -0500
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From: "Bruce H. Nagel" <NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Changing the System (Was [SR3] Magical Magic)
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You wrote:
> Oh no, if you had a guy who wanted to use this option, you could do the
> following...
> Mana Spike
> Base Damage : L
> Base Drain : L
> LOS : No Modifier
> Damage Staging 1 : Drain Category +1
> Drain Staging 1 : Drain Category +1
> Damage Reduction (variation on a theme) Staging 3 : Drain Category +1
> End Drain : (f/2)D
> sure, it's a little spell, but the mage gets the good end and the recipient
> gets shafted to hell and back...
Okay, then:
4 successes to reduce the Drain to nothing from Deadly.
Staging one to increse the damage.
Staging three for the target to reduce the damage.
Obviously the Drain CAtegory +1 modifiers aren't enough.
Damage Staging 1 should prolly be +2 Drain category or +1 Drain and +X Drain
Target # to resist. This makes it harder to just shrug off that Deadly Drain.
losthalo
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 12:01:10 -0500
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From: "Bruce H. Nagel" <NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Commlink
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You wrote:
> There is in the Cybertechnology book, the Cybercom, which is something that
> allows for direct neural control of the cyber radio. Never mind that the
> original radio was cyberware and thus a bit beyond standard hand's reach
> anyway.
Yes, SR has this habit of adding more stuff instead of simply explaining it a
little better in later rulebooks. Think of Firepower Ammo, The new grenades
from SSC, Reactive Triggers, Extended Clips... Cybertechnology did the same
thing, unfortunately. It's a bad habit the players as a whole should say
something about so that they won't do it again.
losthalo
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 12:11:22 EDT
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From: Tim Cooper <z-i-m@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Living material links
On Sun, 13 Jul 1997 20:48:10 EDT John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM> writes:
>Ever read any of C.S. Friedman's books in the Dark Sun Trilogy? In
there,
>you could make a sacrifice (not necessarily a blood sacrifice, btw) to
>make magic more powerful, the extra power this granted you depended a
>great deal on the personal meaning the sacrificed item(s) held, for
>you or for the person involved. I'd say that a child would mean some
>seriously nasty magic if you used it that way <shudder>
And of course the last novel shows that it, the sacrifice, doesn't
always have to be LITERAL.
~Tim (.. that is one GOOD trilogy... "The Madness Season" gets a
pair-of-opposable-digits -vertical too.)
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 12:24:45 -0500
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From: "Bruce H. Nagel" <NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Area of Effect Spells and Astral Targeting
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You wrote:
> Could you point out a passage where this is stated? As I recall, you're
> never required to see the target, just his/her/its aura, to synch with
> it.
Actually, it states that you cannot target someone by seeing a bit of their
aura around a corner, for instance.
And yes, I did just check 'Spell Targetting' in the BBB. It stated
> that a 'good rule of thumb' was that the magician should be able to see
> the target with his eyes or 'a natural extension of those eyes', which
> would appear to include binoculars (optical only, electronics don't count
> because it's got to be the 'original image' of the target), cybereyes
> (because the mage paid Essence for them) and (by my interpretation,
> anyway) astral perception.
I've been informed of a change in this in a later printing of the BBB which
does allow astral sight to target without the need for physical sight.
> My reasoning on that point, exactly.
> <<losthalo, who's never figured these rules were hard to understand...>>
> Are you kidding? The magic rules are probably the most ambiguous and
> indistinct set of rules in the entire game, hence all the discussion on
> them:)
No, I'm not kidding. Even being informed that assensing can be used to target
otherwise invisible opponents can make sense to me. What is so confusing? I
think people get confused with this system when they start bringing their own
assumptions to it, or draw conclusions out too far. Certainly a few points
(grounding, though once I read the sections and understood it, I don't have a
problem making rulings on this myself) confuse people but for the most part
it's clear.
losthalo
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:29:49 -0600
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From: Mike Loseke <mike@******.VERINET.COM>
Subject: Re: Commlink
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Quoth Bruce H. Nagel:
>
> You wrote:
> > There is in the Cybertechnology book, the Cybercom, which is something that
> > allows for direct neural control of the cyber radio. Never mind that the
> > original radio was cyberware and thus a bit beyond standard hand's reach
> > anyway.
> Yes, SR has this habit of adding more stuff instead of simply explaining it a
> little better in later rulebooks. Think of Firepower Ammo, The new grenades
> from SSC, Reactive Triggers, Extended Clips... Cybertechnology did the same
> thing, unfortunately. It's a bad habit the players as a whole should say
> something about so that they won't do it again.
Just in case you didn't know, reactive triggers was an SR1 thing. SR2
gave all SA pistols reactive triggers, or at least the same attributes
that a reactive trigger gave the weapon -- the ability to fire 2 shots
in a round.
--
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 12:30:04 -0500
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My take on spell targeting prior to hearing of the correction in the 3rd
printing was this: All spells need a 'bridge' from astral to the physical to
affect the target. In grounding, an active focus provides this
astral-to-physical bridge. Otherwise, something must provide it. In the case
of my previous understanding, wherein physical sight (not assensing) could
provide this, allowing the spell to travel to the target's aura and ground from
it into their physical form (doing damage or what-have-you). Something needed
to provide this bridge. Now, if they reversed themselves in the 3rd printing
and decided that assensing *could* target a spell for a target you could not
physically see, well... Now there is a gap. What forms the 'bridge' here?
Their astral-aura-to-body connection? No, because if they are a mundane, or a
magician lacking active foci, you cannot cast spells on them from the astral,
can you? An active focus on them would allow you to, because it is a constant
bridge. When astral (assensing or projecting) you could only cast at astrally
active targets (spirits, foci, barriers, et cetera).
This is why I thought the way I did, and would like an explanation if someone
has one handy, as to how a bridge for the spell is formed without physical
senses finding the target.
losthalo
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 12:41:22 -0500
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From: "Bruce H. Nagel" <NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Commlink
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You wrote:
> Just in case you didn't know, reactive triggers was an SR1 thing. SR2
> gave all SA pistols reactive triggers, or at least the same attributes
> that a reactive trigger gave the weapon -- the ability to fire 2 shots
> in a round.
Yes, and they all have Extended Clips and Firepower Ammo, too.
losthalo
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 12:52:44 -0400
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> From: Bruce H. Nagel <NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
> Date: Monday, July 14, 1997 1:30 PM
>
> My take on spell targeting prior to hearing of the correction in the 3rd
> printing was this: All spells need a 'bridge' from astral to the
physical to
> affect the target. In grounding, an active focus provides this
> astral-to-physical bridge. Otherwise, something must provide it. In the
case
> of my previous understanding, wherein physical sight (not assensing)
could
> provide this, allowing the spell to travel to the target's aura and
ground from
> it into their physical form (doing damage or what-have-you). Something
needed
> to provide this bridge. Now, if they reversed themselves in the 3rd
printing
> and decided that assensing *could* target a spell for a target you could
not
> physically see, well... Now there is a gap. What forms the 'bridge'
here?
> Their astral-aura-to-body connection? No, because if they are a mundane,
or a
> magician lacking active foci, you cannot cast spells on them from the
astral,
> can you? An active focus on them would allow you to, because it is a
constant
> bridge. When astral (assensing or projecting) you could only cast at
astrally
> active targets (spirits, foci, barriers, et cetera).
> This is why I thought the way I did, and would like an explanation if
someone
> has one handy, as to how a bridge for the spell is formed without
physical
> senses finding the target.
Okay, here is the deal. Nothing's really changed. You need to have 2
things in order to target someone with a spell: the target needs to be
present in both the physical and the astral (keep in mind that having a
living aura is enough presence on the astral in this case); and you need to
meet the same qualifications, plus you need to synchronize the spell
between your aura and the target's. This is always the case, except for
Damaging Manipulations.
If, however, you are astrally projecting, you no longer have the physical
portion of your requirement fulfilled, and therefore cannot target someone
with a spell unless: 1.) they exist solely on the astral; or 2.) they
provide some bridge that is strong enough to carry the spell into the
physical via their aura (for example: an active focus or they are
dual-natured).
Damaging Manipulations cannot be cast while on the astral...you need to be
physical to cast them, and cannot ground them.
Hope that clears things up. :)
> losthalo
Justin :)
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 13:07:06 -0400
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From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Pig-Mentation: Ork skin color (Was - Re: Whatever happend to the
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> >>I know you used a smiley and all, but since I fig. you're joking about
> >>Bull, I thought this needed mentioning: orks are green.
>
> Damn. I meant "orks aren't green". See what happens when you don't
> proofread?
Actually, I allow a wide range of skin colors for metahumans.
I have had jet black elves, blue trolls, and all sorts of variations.
Yeah, the green Bull part was a joke, but skin color is IMO fair game,
besides, there have got to be all sorts of weird dye jobs for runners and
wannabees.
After all, in a world with Elf Posers, wouldn't there also be a market for
goofballs that want bright red skin?
Come to think of it, a lot of my SR world resembles Anime ...
Steven A. Tinner
bluewizard@*****.com
http://www.ncweb.com/users/bluewizard
"Uh-oh! Chongo!"
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 12:05:38 -0500
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From: "Bruce H. Nagel" <NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Alternate Etiquette rules
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You wrote:
> Feel free to add or remove these as you see fit, however adding many more
> can affect game balance.
> These skills are raised in cost like any other general skill
> "Rating * 2 = Cost"
> If you are trying to raise an etiquette skill which you don't have exposure
> to at the current time, the cost is "Rating * Modifier * 1.5 = Cost"
Actually, this means that other skills should require the 'proper' environment
as well... to learn firearms you should have to train with someone, etc.
Shadowrun isn't this specific about advancement. Some groups worry about this
sort of thing, some don't, and it should stay that way. And if you have a
damned good trainer, you should get a lower multiplier, too, but that starts to
really kick game balance in the head... Watch the PCs trade their good skills
around and get powerful right quick.
> Basic Etiquette Skills
> ----------------
> Gang, Matrix, Corporate, Tribal, Street, Goverment, Tribal, Culture
> Etiquette (Gang): The character can function in a street or go-gang
> enviroment. He can name the leaders of the main gangs in the sprawl and
> knows where to find the names of the others. He knows which gang is coming
> his way when he see's purple jackets and black bikes coming his way.
> Concentrations: Per gang.
> Examples:
> Etiquette (Gang) (Red Spiders), Etiquette (Gang) Red Hot Nukes
> Etiquette (Street): You can live in the back alleys and undergrounds of
> the sprawls. You understand that the street is alive and growing, and you
> can adapt to it. You can track down someone who can get you a gun, and
> maybe find some kindered souls to help you out.
> etiquette (Street) is very close to etiquette (Gang), and etiquette
> (Criminal), so they can be somewhat intertwined.
> Concentrations: Per area or location. Its a more generic skill than the
> other etiquettequettes, so less likely to be concentrated in.
> Examples:
> Etiquette (Street) (The pit), Etiquette (Street) Puyallup.
If you're going to make this a general skill (expensive) then let
Gang, Street, and Criminal fall together into the same skill (originally seen
as Etiquette(Street). Why make it hard for people to pick up their basic
etiquette skills and still have enough points to do something?
> Etiquette (Criminal): You can find things on the black market, name some of
> the local crime bosses, and fit in with the criminal element.
> Concentrations: In criminal faction or activities.
> Etiquette (Criminal) (Yakuza), Etiquette (Criminal) (BTL Smuggling)
losthalo
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 19:20:41 +0000
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From: Mike Hartmann <hartmann@***********.M.EUNET.DE>
Subject: Re: I'd like to know ...
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Answering a message from HAUPT ULRICH FB08:
> 1) Watchers have a base time of 120 minutes to find
> people, (IMO: astrally) known by the summoner. A
> sorcerer travelling astrally has just the role playing
> chance to find someone. And now for the question ...
> Are watchers better at finding people than his master ?
Well, if you allow magicks to find ppl this way, you can severely
harm the game. See, if a watcher encounters something irregular (like
wards or whatever) he doesn't return to his master, because he wastes
his time trying to circumvent the obstacle. If you allow the magick
to search the same way, you'd give out lots of hints. If I as a GM
don't want a player to find a person magically, the watcher simply
doesn't return - for what reasons ever (he might have run out of
time, he might have met someone who disrupted him or whatever). All
that options would simply vanish....:-)
> 2) How long does initiation take ?
> I think it should take at least 1 day per grade if
> no quests are wanted.
Actually initiation takes alot more time, i.e. the time you consume
to collect the necessary karma...
> I think there should be at least some
> broken bones if falling such distances! I suggest the power
> should no be halve hight in Meters. Better take just the
> hight itself!
> What do you think ?
Junk...:-) that would mean someone with a body of 2 would always take
a serious wound from falling even one meter....
> 4) When does the bonding from a focus break ? A thief
> stole two spell locks and a force 2 power focus. I
> could not find a rule what exactly must happen to break
> the bonding! Is it enough to seperate the focus (what
> distance?) from the wizard or be there be something
> magical?
The bonding breaks as soon as another magician tries to bond the item
to himself. If you allow gradual bonding it is as soon as the other
magician pays the first karma.
> 5) If the bonding was not broken shouldn't it be very
> simple for the sorcerer to track the astral trace back ?
> How does a hermetic circle or ward disturb the astral
> line ? Any ideas ?
I'd allow a sorcery-skill roll vs 10-[Rating of focus]+[rating of any
wards/circles] to track back the item.
bye mike
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On 14 Jul 97 at 9:48, Michael Broadwater wrote:
> At 04:39 AM 7/12/97 -0400, Bull wrote:
> >and plan to use some of United Brotherhood
>
> _Universal_ Brotherhood, Bull.
>
Ahhh, finally somebody corrected him. I didn't have the heart, and it
was grating on my nerves...
:)
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At 01:07 PM 7/14/97 -0400, Steven A. Tinner whispered:
>Actually, I allow a wide range of skin colors for metahumans.
>I have had jet black elves, blue trolls, and all sorts of variations.
>Yeah, the green Bull part was a joke, but skin color is IMO fair game,
>besides, there have got to be all sorts of weird dye jobs for runners and
>wannabees.
>After all, in a world with Elf Posers, wouldn't there also be a market for
>goofballs that want bright red skin?
Yep, we've got a human character that likes to dye her skin and hair.
Started off as crimson, went to caucasian, then to blue (a six foot tall
smurf...), then to a dark hispanic skin color. My NPC/PC ork (Napalm) has
a greenish tinge to him, but I envision all orks and trolls as greenish
despite the many descriptions of ebony elves, korean trolls, caucasian
dwarves, and other diverse ethnic groups prevalent in metahumanity.
-Thomas Deeny
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Subject: Re: origins:Saturday night hive
bull wrote:
-Anyways, who else is making it to Origins? Just curios... We've been
-talking about Gen Con so much, we've neglected the other con...:]
i'm there dude. like, al-right. gotta go clubbing with some friends thursday
night, but friday and the weekend is fun-fun-fun.
Aaron
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> So, anybody joining me at Dragonflight?
I might go... if I knew anything about it. :]
When is it?
Where is it?
How much does it cost to get in? (I have very little cash...)
I'm probably going to go alone if I do go, since my SR group is
practically non-existant and all my other friends don't like
RPG's... Blah.
-Skye
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 13:32:30 -0500
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At 12:34 PM 7/14/97 -0500, Faux Pas (Thomas) wrote:
>Yep, we've got a human character that likes to dye her skin and hair.
>Started off as crimson, went to caucasian, then to blue (a six foot tall
>smurf...), then to a dark hispanic skin color. My NPC/PC ork (Napalm) has
>a greenish tinge to him, but I envision all orks and trolls as greenish
>despite the many descriptions of ebony elves, korean trolls, caucasian
>dwarves, and other diverse ethnic groups prevalent in metahumanity.
I totally agree that you can dye your skin color, but a natural green tint?
Come on, nowhere is it even suggested that Trolls/Orcs/etc have any
coloration like that. If you play ad&d, maybe that's how they look, but
then, those ones aren't born of human parents, are they?
Rasputin-the-going-to-GenCon-for-free-magekin
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 12:06:53 -0700
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From: The Spaceman <spaced@*.WASHINGTON.EDU>
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>>>>> Skye Comstock didst say unto the aether thusly:
# When is it?
August 22-24
# Where is it?
Seattle University
# How much does it cost to get in? (I have very little cash...)
$25 for a three-day convention pass until sometime in august, I think.
<$40 at the door, but I'm not sure of an exact price
# I'm probably going to go alone if I do go, since my SR group is
# practically non-existant and all my other friends don't like
# RPG's... Blah.
Damn them anyway :]
They've got a very minimalist web page at
http://www.eskimo.com/~graham/dragonflight.html
You can also get in contact through
snail mail
Dragonflight
PO Box 417
Seattle, WA 98111-0417
voice mail
(206)781-0047
(NB: if Metro Seattle Gamers is meeting,
someone will pick up the phone.)
Hope to see you there......
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#> I would disagree with this one. I thought that the 'Paperless'
#> office was supposed to have already happened, but I don't see it..
#> My 'office', as it is, is piled high with paper. Print outs,
#> magazines, books, everything. I realize the matrix is supposed to
#> be integrated much more than todays computer networks, but I can
#> still see stacks of paper and books on peoples desks.
#
#Absolutely. Management would not be able to function without their
#pounds and pounds of hardcopy.
Sure, I use print outs all the time, but I also like to read online stuff,
it's easier to search for words than a hard bound RPG rule book :), I
imagine my kids would prefer to read online more than I, and their kids
will be the managers in the 2050s
;)
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At 07:03 AM 7/12/97 -0700, you wrote:
#> >To hack into a system, you are essentially writing counter programs
#> >and altering present information inside the mark system.
#
#Or, use existing programs on the inside to access/edit data, or just
#browse without altering. ("Real" hackers, whoever they are, get upset
#when you say hackers alter stuff, since that's cracking, not hacking.)
or knowing how to exploit existing services, for the real geeks on the
list, uch as sendmail, phf cgi scripts, etc.
#> >For all the time needed and required to obtain knowledge of a mark
#> >system, just to infiltrate it, isn't there an easier way of obtaining
#> >the goods you are trying to 'borrow'?
#
#It's not like people just sit around eighteen hours a day doing 'normal'
#stuff (eating, sleeping, jogging the dog) and then suddenly turn into
#Matrix berserkers. You have to live and breathe this stuff. I see most
#of a decker's time being taken up browsing through sleazy BBSes,
#attending EFF meetings (g), that sort of thing. It's why there's a
#Matrix Etiquette, y'know - completely different from Street Etiquette.
I spend very little time "hacking" but I know a few tricks to gain
SuperUser ccess on a lot of *NIX machines.
#> >And of high tech theft? With the knowledge gain through countless
#> >hours of self taught computer programming, wouldn't it be easier just
#> >to go get a job at Fujitsu and steal the info from the inside?
#
#Isn't it easier to get a job at Fujitsu and retire from the biz? :)
one problem here, you also have a reputation to keep good.
If you did get the job @ Fujitsu and then stole info from them, odds are
hey're going to find out, unless you hack the system, using the knowledge
gained hacking the system.
anyone else see the catch-22 here?
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At 09:48 AM 7/14/97 -0500, Michael Broadwater wrote these timeless words:
>At 04:39 AM 7/12/97 -0400, Bull wrote:
^^^^^^^^
>>and plan to use some of United Brotherhood
>
>_Universal_ Brotherhood, Bull.
>
yeah yeah yeah...
this is why I REALLY shouldn't post stuff at 4:30 AM... :]:];]
Brain goes to sleep long before that...:]:]:]
Bull
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 22:07:15 +0100
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David Buehrer said on 8:29/14 Jul 97...
> | Now I'm even thinking on the same wavelength as David. I must be getting
> | senile... :)
>
> Nope. If you're on the same wavelength as Spike, you're getting senile.
But out of you and Spike, you're the older one... ;)
> Well, I'd like to see a system that doesn't necessarily allow a character
> to default to every skill. When I first started playing we misinterpreted
> the rules and subtracted 2 dice per dot. A character with low attributes
> couldn't default to everything. However, Fubar the Troll didn't need to
> take any combat skills because his physical attributes were so high (after
> being modified by cyber- and bodyware).
I hold more or less the opposite point of view... IMHO it _should_ be
possible for everyone to do everything, and the skill web is a very
good attempt at allowing that without adding attributes to skills like so
many other systems do. An extra advantage is that attempting certain
skills can be much more difficult if you have to default from somewhere
else, and the relationships between skills can be brought into the
picture.
Assuming SR had a straight "attribute adds to skill" system, like for
example the World of Darkness rules use; someone using Quickness +
Firearms would be able to roll 5+4 dice, but if that same person doesn't
have Gunnery then he/she'd be limited to only the basic 5 dice, even
though the operation of a heavy machinegun is very similar to that of a
light machinegun.
With the skill web, the Firearms skill can be used, but the task is made
a bit more difficult to deal with the small differences in light and heavy
machineguns. However, trying to smash someone's face in by using Firearms
skill is possible (you know which points of the body are more vulnerable
than others), but a LOT more difficult than operating an HMG with Firearms
skill.
> If you take FoF's recoil table (or a version of it) and modify it to
> equal the number of default dice per attribute and subtract one die
> per dot passed through on the skill web, I *think* it would work.
> And yes, a low attribute would mean that a character wouldn't be able
> to default with that attribute, which IMHO is realistic.
This system suffers less from what I said above, since it's essentially a
"bonus dice" system. To make this work, though, you shouldn't remove dice
for using a skill the character has. For example Quickness + Firearms
again. When the character defaults to Firearms for using, say, Gunnery, I
think I still wouldn't subtract dice; just add the standard +2 TN
modifier per dot passed sounds much better.
Alternatively, allowing a player to pick an attribute (any attribute) and
tracing the path to the skill being used, and then subtracting one
attribute die per dot passed may work...
Example 1: A characer using Firearms chooses Quickness as the
attribute (what else?). His Quickness is 3 and his Firearms skill is 4.
The Quickness is reduced by 2 because two dots are passed, and the
character gets to roll 5 dice.
Example 2: Another character chooses Intelligence for Biotech. There are
4 dots between Intelligence and Biotech, so she'd lose 4 dice; if her
Intelligence is 4 or less, she gets no bonus dice at all.
However, this doesn't allow characters to use skills they totally don't
have. In such a case, defaulting to an attribute or other skill per the
normal rules should be allowed, adding +2 to the TN per dot passed, but
not reducing the bonus dice -- the bonus dice are traced to the skill
being defaulted to.
Example 1A: The character uses Gunnery skill, and again chooses Quickness.
He still gets 5 dice to roll (3 Quickness dice, -2 for the two dots, +4
Firearms skill), but adds a +2 TN modifier because the're one dot between
Firearms and Gunnery. If he'd defaulted to Quickness, he'd have only 3
dice and a +4 modifier.
Thoughts anyone?
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HAUPT ULRICH FB08 said on 17:11/14 Jul 97...
> 1) Watchers have a base time of 120 minutes to find people, (IMO:
> astrally) known by the summoner. A sorcerer travelling astrally has just
> the role playing chance to find someone. And now for the question ... Are
> watchers better at finding people than his master ?
For the chance of running into someone while you're astrally projecting,
you need to consider how big the chance is that you run into that person
by chance. Actively searching of course improves the chance, but it's
mostly a matter of being methodical in going through rooms and
streets until you find the person you're looking for. That takes time.
Watchers, the way I see them, are somehow able to do a more direct search,
sort of like a "Find the random number between 1 and 100" type methodical
approach. How they do it, I don't know ("It's magic!" :) but I feel they
should be better able to find someone than a magician, especially if the
target is far away.
> 2) How long does initiation take ?
> I think it should take at least 1 day per grade if
> no quests are wanted.
IMHO it depends entirely on the magician's _ideas_ of how long it should
take. I feel it's possible to walk down the street and suddenly be
initiated spontaneously (a rare occurance, granted), but also to spend
several weeks doing what you think you should do to gain a grade.
> 3) In my opinion the damage from falling is too harmless!
> One Character jumped out of a window and missed the rope.
> So he was falling 14 Meters (ca.42 ft) down on the street.
> He had to resist 6T (7T-halve impact armor)
Using the German translation, are we? :) In the English books it's called
Deadly, or D, damage, not T (for Totlich, for those who don't speak
German (and yes, I believe I missed an Umlaut, but that's extended ASCII
and with an e it just looks silly :))
> and got only medium damage. I think there should be at least some broken
> bones if falling such distances! I suggest the power should no be halve
> hight in Meters. Better take just the hight itself!
> What do you think ?
The falling damage from small heights is ridiculous, but from larger
heights it's pretty good, IMHO. You have to relate those rules to normal
humans with a Body of 3. Technically, falling to the ground you're
standing on would cause 2D damage, which would result in a Serious wound
for a typical human, which is why I made up some house rules that changed
that (see Project 3 that can be downloaded from my page). From greater
heights, like the 14 m you mentioned, a normal human would most likely end
up with a Deadly wound, which sounds good enough to me.
> 4) When does the bonding from a focus break ? A thief
> stole two spell locks and a force 2 power focus. I
> could not find a rule what exactly must happen to break
> the bonding! Is it enough to seperate the focus (what
> distance?) from the wizard or be there be something
> magical?
That only applies to spell locks -- if they're removed from whatever
they're attached to by someone else than the magician who bonded the
lock, the link to the aforementioned magician is broken. Other foci can be
removed without the bond being broken, AFAIK.
> 5) If the bonding was not broken shouldn't it be very
> simple for the sorcerer to track the astral trace back ?
It is very easy to track a focus back to its owner through astral space.
> How does a hermetic circle or ward disturb the astral
> line ? Any ideas ?
The line would go through the astral barrier (circle, ward, whatever) and
anyone following the link will have to defeat or get around the barrier
somehow before the link can be followed further.
> 6) And now for something completely different ;-)
> Which modifiers conzern an attacker shooting out of a
> driving car shooting someone running from it ?
> (A Chrysler-Nissan Patrol-One driving at 25 mph through
> a park hunting the _poor_ shaddow runners running away!)
Look at the Moving Target Table on page 108 of SRII, that has the
modifiers you're looking for.
> 7) I found in VRII that the damage codes have the following effect:
> L - 1 box
> M - 2 boxes
> S - 3 boxes
> T - 6 boxes
>
> Is it a printing error or didn't I got the idea ? (I'm sure you
> have disussed this earlier, haven't you ? )
Although no official errata exists for VR 2.0, when the book was first
published this list pretty much reached the conclusion that those are
writing/printing errors.
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Adam J wrote:
> Steve, I told you not to give out my damned number on the list!
>
> :)
>
> (Its not really my number, just a joke:)
>
> Adam-who-hopes-caric-doesn't-give-it-out
Bwahahahahahaha!!!!!
<deep scary voice ala hollywood bad guy>
You fool!!! You thought that I wanted the number for idle chit chat and
keeping in touch with new friends...muahahahahaha!!1
Fro...i'm your father Fro.
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Gurth wrote:
|
| David Buehrer said on 8:29/14 Jul 97...
|
| > | Now I'm even thinking on the same wavelength as David. I must be getting
| > | senile... :)
| >
| > Nope. If you're on the same wavelength as Spike, you're getting senile.
|
| But out of you and Spike, you're the older one... ;)
Oh yeah, I forgot :)
[snip]
| I hold more or less the opposite point of view... IMHO it _should_ be
| possible for everyone to do everything, and the skill web is a very
| good attempt at allowing that without adding attributes to skills like so
| many other systems do. An extra advantage is that attempting certain
| skills can be much more difficult if you have to default from somewhere
| else, and the relationships between skills can be brought into the
| picture.
Gah! Would you believe I completely forgot about defaulting to a skill
from a related skill? (God(s), maybe I *am* getting senile.)
| Alternatively, allowing a player to pick an attribute (any attribute) and
| tracing the path to the skill being used, and then subtracting one
| attribute die per dot passed may work...
|
| Example 1: A characer using Firearms chooses Quickness as the
| attribute (what else?). His Quickness is 3 and his Firearms skill is 4.
| The Quickness is reduced by 2 because two dots are passed, and the
| character gets to roll 5 dice.
|
| Example 2: Another character chooses Intelligence for Biotech. There are
| 4 dots between Intelligence and Biotech, so she'd lose 4 dice; if her
| Intelligence is 4 or less, she gets no bonus dice at all.
Problem: a cybered elf with Quickness 9 and Firearms 5 rolls 12 dice.
Also, Strength is already factored into unarmed combat as the power of the
attack. Adding it in again would not be a good thing, IMHO.
| Thoughts anyone?
Yeah, <sigh> I don't think the skill web can be changed. About the only
thing I would recommend would be to add more dots and change the TN modifer
to +1 per dot.
Or maybe multiple sizes of dots in different shapes and colors with
different modifiers applied to each one, and a special wild dot where
you role 1d6 to randomly determine the modifier! <sound of a
straight jacket being applied to two big guys in white coats>
-David
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"Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing
which ones to keep."
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 13:45:49 -0700
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Bruce H. Nagel wrote:
> > So are control thoughts, emotions, and pretty much any other mind control
> > spell. I would certainly rather have an orgasm then have someone traipsing
> > through my mind ala Mind Probe.
> Did you hear me compare it to those others? No. I'm talking about the use of
> that spell. Sure Control Thoughts, et al. are not exactly ethical (neither is
> putting lead through people at sonic velocities). I just think that
> deliberately humiliating someone in a way that many people feel is worse than
> physical violence, shouldn't be a joke. Talking about how 'would you rather
> get hurt or have an orgasm?' assumes that having an orgasm is something
> everyone would prefer... you're projecting your preferences.
You did say that the spell was in your opinion akin to "controlling
someones most intimate thoughts and desires" If you do not consider
control thoughts and control emotions to do these exact same things then
your choice of words was poor, you did compare it to those spells by
what you said. I certainly never said that casting orgasm on someone
was ethical, and I can see where it might bother someone, but you seem
to think that humiliation in this way is drastically different then
humiliation in another way, and that people would rather be beaten up or
shot then have an orgasm in public. If me thinking that a vast
majority of people would not share your feelings on that is "projecting
my preferences" then you are absolutely correct that I am.
> > | > orgasm and get tired or burn to death as your head explodes?
> > |
> > | That really isn't the point. 'Would you rather be raped or murdered?'
> > isn't a
> > | fair choice, neither is something you should do to someone, eh? Some
> > people
> > | view sex pretty seriously, and this would be an extreme violation, doing
> > it to
> > | someone against their will (as opposed to voluntarily, which is an
> > original and
> > | interesting idea :) is the equivalent of taking control of their most
> > personal
> > | thoughts and desires. Not nice.
>
> > Actuall "would you rather be raped or mudered?" Has been answered by
> > several people I know with the later quite seriously. It's not making
> > anyone have sex with someone else as a controlling manipulation would, and
> > it in know way takes control of any thoughts or desires...I can't see it
> > being all that different from making someone wet their pants. It's a
> > bodily function and one that happens to feel good.
> Umm... orgasm is primarily a mental activity, contrary to popular belief. It
> is not a physiological response, despite perceptions to the contrary.
The act of ejaculation is a physiological response 100%...the stimulus
and trigger are mental you are correct, what the spell triggers the
physiological event, it does not in any way take control of the persons
mind and force them to reveal fantasies or things of that nature. The
spell triggers the pleasure center in the brain, and forces the body to
release the fluids...nothing more.
And just
> because no physical penetration occurs doesn't make it not rape, in this
> instance...
I still say that the comparison is unfair, you are comparing a
physically violent and in no way pleasurable event where someone is
physically restrained and forced to give in to another. The spell does
none of these things. The spell triggers a pleasurable feeling and a
sexual discharge, I am not going to say that you are wrong to compare
the two because I need to see some actual comparisons before I could say
that. How are they alike? I am assuming that you are somparing the
psycological effects on the victim afterwards. If this is the case then
say so. I still wouldn't agree that they would be the same, except in
extreme cases, but I would like some clarification.
> The idea of being forced ot experience and orgasm by a copmplete stranger
> doesn't bother you? You can't see why it would really freak someone out?
I never said that it wouldn't bother me, I am sure that I would be
sufficiently embarrassed, but I wouldn't feel like I had been violated
in a deeply physical and emotional way. I freely admit that some people
would take it more seriously then others, but as I said before it's
hardly the wors thing that you could do to someone.
~Caric
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 13:47:09 -0700
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Bruce H. Nagel wrote:
Oops sorry guys I meant to send the response through privat e-mail to
Bruce, my apologies hopefully I didn't offend anyone, and if I did I do
apologize.
Caric-the-pissed-at-my-work-compy-shaman
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 13:52:04 -0700
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Bruce H. Nagel wrote:
> > OOOHHH Big fight topic here at the home game. Responsible Magicians....that
> > sounds like a flame war or worse in the making...
I don't think that we have to worry about that.
> I'm just talking about the fact that people are treating lightly something that
> to some would really mess them up. A lot of people are really sensitive about
> sex, though many don't realize this. They think that everyone would rather be
> having sex, because they would, and that anyone would like an orgasm 'free of
> charge', and that it's just funny...
I don't think that is the case at all, we all know that some people are
more sensitive to that particular topic then others, but know one ever
said that everyone would like and it should be the best spell ever.
If you held someone down and stimulated
> them (without permission) until they had an orgasm, would it be wrong? Really
> wrong?
Yes, but it would also be impossible in most cases. You were the one to
bring up the mental aspect of an orgasm...you can't force someone to be
sexually aroused...you could tie them down and manipulate all you
wanted, but unless they were in some odd way enjoying it they would not
have an orgasm.
This is the same thing, you just don't have to touch them because magic
> will let you do it... Someone did that to me, they'd better watch their back.
Will do :)
Caric
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 13:56:12 -0700
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> In a message dated 97-07-12 20:18:02 EDT, jade@***.net (Jason & Deanna
> Rodhouse) writes:
>
<The Duke>
Well Howdy Pilgrim
</The Duke>
...you have no idea what you have just gotten yourself into. :)
> > Whew! This monkey suit is HOT! Thanks for listening.
> An enchanter reaches out and hands the Monkey a banana..."Hey, you're just
> some guy in musty fur !!! " (snags his hand back before the rabid nature
> comes out... ;)
Caric calmly walks into the room, grabs the musty monkey and proceeds
outside. He then hangs the monkey on the closeline next to his cat and
proceeds to beat some of the dust out of it whilst saying "Ni" to
travelers who happen by.
~Caric
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 16:14:31 -0500
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Where are the net books located at??
And is there a list of them??
--
Heaven or Hell it does not matter for I am the soul taker and you are
next on my list.
Black Death
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:00:44 -0700
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Adam J wrote:
> >In SR, print is nearly dead. Computers do too much to perform many kinds of
> >theft without knowledge of them. You can't steal cash, only valuables, etc.
> >Stealing important info usually means interacting with computers to some
> >extent.
>
> I would disagree with this one. I thought that the 'Paperless' office was
> supposed to have already happened, but I don't see it.. My 'office', as it
> is, is piled high with paper. Print outs, magazines, books, everything. I
> realize the matrix is supposed to be integrated much more than todays
> computer networks, but I can still see stacks of paper and books on peoples
> desks.
I have to agree with Adam on this one, I for one would always have paper
around, not because I have to, but because I like it. I like the feel
of a good book, or the ability to just lounge around and read on the
couch. Sure all of these things would be achieved with hand held
systems, but it's just not the same.
~Caric sans .sig
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 22:14:41 +0100
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|Where are the net books located at??
|And is there a list of them??
If you wait a while, and read peoples .sigs, most of the URLs are in
there....
Pay particular attention to Gurths sig....
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|Andrew Halliwell | |
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:06:11 -0700
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Spike wrote:
> |>Actually, wasn't there an Ork bodyguard in a book that said something like
> |>"How Quaint...he said Fuck..."
> |
> |Yeah... I seem to remember that. The idea that 'Fuck' just kind of
> |whithered away sometime during the past 50 years is a little silly,
> |it's not like the Crash of '29 was *that* bad. :)
>
> The point is, 20 years ago, words like SOD and BUGGER were unacceptable.
> Who's to say that 'Fuck' won't have lost all power to offend by then?
> (And what's the use of a good swear word if it doesn't have some power
> behind it?)
Ya know that's a very good point Spike (Boggle ;-) Anyway, it's true I
mean look at the word "bitch" it has been slang for awhile, but it
really isn't a big deal anymore, there are songs about it and it's said
all the time on national television here in america. Once it makes it
to TV it's just not offensive anymore durnit!!!
Caric
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 16:13:46 -0500
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At 02:00 PM 7/14/97 -0700, you wrote:
#I have to agree with Adam on this one, I for one would always have paper
#around, not because I have to, but because I like it. I like the feel
#of a good book, or the ability to just lounge around and read on the
#couch. Sure all of these things would be achieved with hand held
#systems, but it's just not the same.
#
what about the star trek-like handheld mini "tablets" they use for textual
purposes?
I could consider those to be much more useful than a book, especially if
they're waterproof.
--
/-justin@****.mcp.com----------------------jbell@****.mcp.com--\
|Justin Bell NIC:JB3084| Time and rules are changing. |
|Simon & Schuster | Attention span is quickening. |
|Programmer | Welcome to the Information Age. |
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:08:31 -0700
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Gurth wrote:
> > | I even did this for a fight between a PC and a mantis spirit. We'd
> > | stopped the last session just before the fight, and went on there. In the
> > | meantime I'd decided the PC would get killed if we handled this as a
> > | straight BTB fight, so we turned to a more cinematic style; no initiative
> > | rolls, mostly descriptions of actions and what was going on, plus the
> > | occasional attack test for either side. Hey, I wanted the PC to survive
> > | (guess that doesn't make me much of an evil GM, does it? :)
> >
> > I guess that depends on if you left him alive so that you could rip his arm
> > of with an elevator later or not.
>
> I wanted him alive else there'd be nobody to take Anne Penchyk out of the
> CZ (and don't go into more detail about this without spoiler spaces,
> okay?).
Ahhhh I see, message reieved good buddy. Plus you took his leg so you
ARE an evil GM. Sorry Gurth I didn't want it to be true but i'm afraid
that it is.
Caric
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:10:05 -0700
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Gurth wrote:
> > PS: Greetings to all, I hear that 3rd Ed is in the works and suggestions are
> > requested? True? Any special place to send them, and any particular
> > requirements for submissions and suggestions?
>
> Steve Kenson asked for ideas on the list, which naturally got totally out
> of hand...
<shocked indignation>
Us? Totally out of hand?!?!?!
I am shocked and dismayed that you would accuse of that Gurth.
</shocked indignation>
BFG
Caric
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|what about the star trek-like handheld mini "tablets" they use for textual
|purposes?
|I could consider those to be much more useful than a book, especially if
|they're waterproof.
Usefull, maybe. But even Picard likes to pick up a real book to flick
through once in a while...
(I'll use the episode "Cause and Effect" as an example...)
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|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:11:13 -0700
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Gurth wrote:
>
> Gabriel said on 0:01/13 Jul 97...
>
> > "I wish the Mantis spirit killed me."
>
> EGMLOL! Now I just _have_ to make this come true... :)
The prosecution rests your honor.
Caric
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:14:34 -0700
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Damion Milliken wrote:
>
> Gurth writes:
>
> > Finally read up on that backlog, eh? :)
>
> Unfortunately, no - I decided that lurking was boring (I was reading all
> these cool threads that I wanted to post comments about, but couldn't since
> they were from October last year... :-)).
>
> > Steve Kenson asked for ideas on the list, which naturally got totally out
> > of hand...
>
> I hope he's got a lot of time to collate all of the suggestions he'll get.
> I've got some 30 points to bring up... Do people think it would be better
> to:
>
> a) Send such suggestions directly to Steve?
> b) Post suggestions collated in one big message so that those who couldn't
> care less can nuke them easily?
> c) Post suggestions individually so that they can be discussed by the list?
I for one would like to get some discussion going on them, I think that
Steve asked us for that very reason, he knew that we would tear it all
appart and rebuild fourteen different ways. We may not all agree on
anything, but Steve can get a rough idea how a majority feels as well as
feedback and ideas from people who at least marginally know what the
hell they are talking about. (In regards to SR at least :)
Caric
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>...... Anyway, it's true I
> mean look at the word "bitch" it has been slang for awhile, but it
> really isn't a big deal anymore,.......... Once it makes it
> to TV it's just not offensive anymore durnit!!!
If ya think so..try and say it to my wife..But I advise you to
duck..quickly..And then running would probably also be good advice..
:)
--------------------------------GRANITE
"Rock Steady"
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Lord, Grant Me The Serenity To Accept The Things I Cannot Change,
The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
Because They Pissed Me Off.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ShadowRunner's Serenity Prayer
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:20:39 -0700
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Steven A. Tinner wrote:
> At the risk of being called an evil GM ... do you think it would be
> feasible to use a runner's kid as a material link for ritual sorcery?
(Sorry Bull) I would have to say absolutely, unless the person is not
emotionally attached to the child at all. Anything that has emotional
significance for the target should work. In fact I would say kids would
work really really well.
> Going on the DNA theory, the child has at least PART of the father's DNA
> right? So there should be a flicker of a weak link there, and then of
> course there's the fact that the father/son emotional bond could act as a
> link.
Possibly, but unnecessary...see above.
> Anyone have any problem with there being a similarity (Is that the term?)
> link/connection between father and son?
>
> Any suggestions for combining this with blood magic for a truly hideous
> ritual?
Game mechanics wise? No. Player wise? Yeah, I kinda liked Bull. .]
Caric-the-eye-pokin'-shaman
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:22:42 -0700
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Spike wrote:
>
> |Don't take this the wrong way Halo, but I think I finally figured out your
> |"nickname" of "losthalo". Fallen Angel indeed. ;]
>
> Duhhhhhhhhhhhhh...........
> I've been reading it as los(th)alo....
> Duh....
<handing Spike a carp> You do it, you need to handle this one yourself.
<shaking head sadly>
Caric :)
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 17:40:18 -0400
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I've been following this thread almost from it's inception, and
finally decided to throw my two p into the arena.
I think it comes down very much to a matter of personal mores what
people are willing to endure when it comes to mental manipulation
spells. A number of people have expressed that they feel the use of a
spell like Orgasm constitutes rape, and I can completely understand
their position.
Myself, I'd much rather have to deal with something like induced
orgasm, as opposed to having my mind controlled against my will, or even
worse, having it read or even deep probed by some unscrupulous mage.
After the Orgasm spell, I might feel a little embarassed [well, a
LOT embarassed, especially if it happened in front of a bunch MANLY
runners!], but I'd blow it off (or maybe slug the mage in the face,
reasserting my manhood! What if it's a woman? I'd kiss her first, THEN
slug her in the face!).
Someone using a Control Actions type spell on me, would definitely
get my goat, as I don't like being forced to do ANYTHING against my will
[I guess that's why my characters are usually so willfull!]. And they'd
better pray they were FAR away when I got out from under it, cause I'm
going to wail on them one minute for every minute they had me under. I'd
definitely be pissed.
If someone mentally probed my mind, I'll tell you right now, unless
they had a DAMN good reason for it, they'd be suffering from a 10mm
migraine in about 1 second. I, personally, am a VERY private person, and
DO NOT like the idea of someone traipsing about in my thoughts unbidden.
What I reveal to others is what I CHOOSE to reveal. This would be a
violation to me in the truest sense of the word, and I'd definitely
qualify it as rape.
In my game world, Mental Probing without the recipient's prior
consent IS classified as Rape, and while dificult to authenticate, is
prosecuted as such [a note to all you mentalist mages out there :-].
But, like I said, I can understand those who aren't as offended by
mental picking about, as they are by artifically induced emotions. It's
all depends on your point of view.
Kohl, who says,' first mage that reads MY mind, will get a sneak preview
of what's in store for him, when I catch him!' :-}.
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 17:42:03 -0400
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Spell types (was Re: Centering vs Penalties)
In a message dated 97-07-13 16:00:30 EDT, u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK (Spike)
writes:
>
> |Then I really hope you also allow for those people caught in the area
> effect
> |of such spells to have access to their armor for resisting the damage.
>
> Why? If the effect spreads out in astral space and then grounds through
all
> the auras visible in the area???
>
Okay, I know I snipped what was after this, but it was another example of
material taken out of context.
A Manaball, or any Area of Effect Combat Magic, does NOT ground into all the
auras that are within the potential area of effect. It only grounds into a
single target, then blossoms inversely (outward in) into manifestation
afterwards. Thus, if you hit the guy with a Body of 4 with a Powerball, gain
6 successes, and there are three targets with higher body in that area, they
they are resisting the spell based upon the 6 successes, and not upon their
own attributes.
At least that is how it's been interpreted by the people here...(shrug).
-Keith
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Subject: Re: Spell types (2 of 2) (was Re: Centering vs Penalties)
In a message dated 97-07-13 16:00:30 EDT, u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK (Spike)
writes:
>
> "Ground" is a very vague concept.
> If the FLOOR is made of artificial material, the T# for it is in the
double
> figures. If it's something like Tarmacaddam, the t# would still be high,
as
> would concrete.
>
> Only if the ground is made of rock or earth with the t# be low....
> --
>
Okay, this is the part 2 to my previous posting. T# for man-made stuff is
not necessarily high. Standard Concrete, even the Ferro-concrete, is not
higher than a 6, which is far better than the troll or the car (high body
metahuman or 8 for a standard vehicle). Reason being is simple. Concrete is
a mixture, not a polymer. mixtures do NOT require chemical change while a
polymer (or similar material) requires chemical change.
-Keith
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 17:47:02 -0400
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Wrong?/Not Wrong? (was Bring out your...)
In a message dated 97-07-13 16:05:58 EDT, u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK (Spike)
writes:
>
> Will you stop saying "WRONG!!!" as if you're jumping up and down with
glee!
> And again, no, I'm not wrong.
> The Ghost dance drew the horrors because of the sheer magnitude of it all.
> EVIL BLOOD magic can draw horrors in much smaller doses.....
> --
>
Sorry, It's a goofy habit I know. And it's not with glee, it's a variation
on the "buzzer" and "blip" stuff that I've seen earlier on the list.
And besides ... it's not with glee. It's with anxiety...
-Keith
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 17:48:58 -0400
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Area of Effect Spells and Astral Targeting
In a message dated 97-07-13 16:30:11 EDT, u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK (Spike)
writes:
>
> That's a nice way of putting it....
>
> Poetic, aren't we???
> :)
> --
>
Hey, somebody's gotta try.. 9~;]
-Keith
(the curly hat of imagination smiley)
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 17:50:02 -0400
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Demon Magnets (new topic for the day)
With the questioning of the horror attractions due to Blood Magic and the
like, and the various opinions bouncing around like normal, could anyone
really give a good summary (with light explanations) list of what types of
phenomenon in general attract "the Horrors."
Good Blood Magic, Evil Blood Magic, it's all "en muerto magicke de sanguine"
(gods I hope I got that right).
-keith
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 17:51:39 -0400
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,or Bring out
yourSpells,Bringout your spells!
In a message dated 97-07-13 19:40:28 EDT, NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU
(Bruce H. Nagel) writes:
> > Don't take this the wrong way Halo, but I think I finally figured out
your
> > "nickname" of "losthalo". Fallen Angel indeed. ;]
>
> In fact it is a heckuva lot more complicated than that, but that's one
> interpretation. Like a lot of things I choose for myself, it can swing
both
> ways... It also talks about my realization that I'm no longer a
Christian,
> though I have standards and morals. And it says that maybe instead of
> wanting
> a halo I want other things right now. It also says that maybe a halo
isn't
> worth having, rather there are better ways of judging things and looking
at
> them. Lost illusions and mistaken ideas. Look at me, waxing all
philosophic
> over my netname...
>
>
And in a single breath no less....anyway...back to the listing...
-Keith
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Subject: Re: Demon Magnets (new topic for the day)
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|With the questioning of the horror attractions due to Blood Magic and the
|like, and the various opinions bouncing around like normal, could anyone
|really give a good summary (with light explanations) list of what types of
|phenomenon in general attract "the Horrors."
|
|Good Blood Magic, Evil Blood Magic, it's all "en muerto magicke de sanguine"
|(gods I hope I got that right).
Well, you could add VERY STRONG emotional echoes to that list.
When the barriers do finally start to break down, I imagine the first places
they'll start to come through will be places like Aushwitz(sp?), and the
Native-American "Re-education" camps.....
(Along with major ritual sites like the GGD and the mini ghost dance
performed by Verner, and Aztlan, what with their prolonged use of bad blood
magic....)
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 17:54:58 -0400
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Cyberpsychosis (was cyberware...)
In a message dated 97-07-13 19:43:05 EDT, kimc@**********.COM (Kim
Christiansen) writes:
>
> So, on this topic, I just finished reading Never Deal With A Dragon again,
> and there was this dude named Radley in the book that was definite
> Cyber-Psychosis. He was flat out wacked. How do you fit that into the game
> via SR rules. I have a character in my game that unless his CyberWare
wasn't
> Alpha grade, he'd be a cyberzombie. He played it cool, detached, not quite
> human. But would it manifest itself as a detachment from humanity or a
> revenge on humanity??????????????
>
> kim
>
>
Actually, Kim, that is something that would have to be decided by the GM and
yourself, IMO. Humanity, of which the games here have an attribute for, is
something that reflects much.
Something I found interesting is the Otaku "Charisma" definition is fairly
upbeat. It is the "reflection of the self image." Now I know that Willpower
is the Cybermantic attribute of effect, but what about Charisma. Couldn't
that be part of the formula as well?
-Keith
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 17:58:17 -0400
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Fluffy? (Was: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,)
In a message dated 97-07-13 21:03:25 EDT, justin@******.NET (Jaymz) writes:
> #Actually, it's really lost its power to offend anyone but the really
> sensitive
> #even today. It's bland now, overused, and can't really get to you.
> I dunno, what would happen if you happened to say it to you boss??
>
Mine would be listening to see if I was still mad at her. She's made othe
remarks where she's twisted mine, and other's, words. However, I got really
made when a box broke and shattered my toes last year, started swearing SR
style and it really through her for a loop. She knew the intent, but
actually asked me what they all meant.
-Keith
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 18:03:39 -0400
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From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Aura Shrouding (was Re: Area of Effect Spells and Astral
Targeting)
Comments: To: mbreton@**.netcom.com
In a message dated 97-07-14 00:15:54 EDT, mbreton@**.netcom.com (Matb)
writes:
>
> Again, depending on how you reason Masking. The spell bumps into a fake
> aura (or is given false parameters by the casting mage). Well, it looks
> like it's the target, so it flows through - but to where? If it's a
> falso image, it is by definition .not. the aura of the target. Ergo,
> difficulties.
>
>
I know that in the games here, the concept of a "false auras to trick combat
magic" has come into debate about a year ago. The decision reached had
something to do with the on example of "thisaurawilldothankyouverymuch"
(forgot the rest, blocked the wrong part for replying).
We created an Illusion spell we dubbed Aura Shroud, which creates a "truly
false aura" with no groundable solution, thus directed combat magic and
similar magic (such as Mind Probe) would fail. Of course there was a "spell
intelligence" test, sort of like perceiving invisibility involved, just keep
some game balance.
-Keith
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:55:50 -0700
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GRANITE wrote:
>
> Since nobody else mentioned it..I'll do it..
>
> M
> I
> C
> R
> O
>
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
>
> F
> O
> R
>
> M
> i
> B
>
> Did anyone else Notice the Happy Fum Ball [TM] in MiB?? I started
> laughing in the theater as soon as I Saw it..My wife thought I was
> crazy...
Well Granite...you are crazy. I did see the happy fun ball though and
laughed my ass of as well. :)
Caric
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 18:09:28 -0400
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As to what types of things attracts Horrors [or as they're known in
Shadowrun, The ENEMY], I'd say suffering, pain, any violent emotion.
Hate, anger.
This is for those that feed on this sort of hting.
Others are attracted by life, pure and simple. They thrive on the
destruction of life, consumption of the life force.
Some feed on flesh. There are [or will be in a few thou years] that
will pretty much feed on just about anything and EVERYTHING. They're
what caused the Scourge, stripping the land of everything.
Thankfully, the Mana Level 'atmosphere' is too low to support the
VAST majority of them, but one or two have been slipping thru the
cracks, if only for a short while, like a fish temporarily out of the
water.
It's only when great transforming magicks like The Great Ghost
Dance, or the [.01 MP block deleted by sysop] in the Shadowrun book,
House of the Rising Sun, occur that the 'atmosphere is made JUST that
much more livible for these creatures to return.
They're presence in the SR World should be RARE. Players should
only have ONE direct encounter with such evil in the course of their
character's lifetime. Of course, that doesn't rule out encountering
those mortals who have literally 'sold their souls' for the power these
beings bring, in exchange for preparing the world for their return
[think Mr. Morden from Babylon 5. He's the perfect example of such an
agent.].
And like the Shadows, The Enemy is still VERY weak, so to speak,
which makes their machinations, when they do come about, all the more
Machievellian.
Kohl, whose getting a SHUSH! from a strange painted faced elf, replying
'WHAAT?!?'.
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 15:05:42 -0700
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Steven A. Tinner wrote:
>
> Maybe Steve K, or Mike could better answer this question, but ... Does
> anyone know
>
> A - Who took those cool photos that are in the Seattle and London
> Sourcebooks?
> B - Why (aside from price) FASA stopped using photos in their books?
>
> I always like them, but being a photo minor in college, that's to be
> expected. ;-)
>
> Also, we're thinking of dressing up a certain Ork Decker, and need some
> suggestions for how to make DURABLE, easy to weat tucksm and ear points.
Try using the vulcan ears, I know you can buy those at specialty stores
like Spencers and such.
> The greenish skin tone comes natural to Bull, so that shouldn't be a
> problem ... ;-)
I'm sure it does. :)
Caric
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 17:15:04 -0500
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From: Court Schuett <schuett@*****.IVCC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Demon Magick [New Topic for the Day!]
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> Thankfully, the Mana Level 'atmosphere' is too low to support the
> VAST majority of them, but one or two have been slipping thru the
> cracks, if only for a short while, like a fish temporarily out of the
> water.
> It's only when great transforming magicks like The Great Ghost
> Dance, or the [.01 MP block deleted by sysop] in the Shadowrun book,
> House of the Rising Sun, occur that the 'atmosphere is made JUST that
> much more livible for these creatures to return.
I don't think it's too low for them to live in, just too low for them to
get through. Once they get through, they can exist for awhile in the
lower mana world. It's the getting through that's the hard part.
Spoilers for Mike
A character in my group (BTW we love the whole ED/SR crossover stuff, and
made characters accordingly) was basically Thought wormed as a child. He
killed 13 people before Tir tairngire mages could get the 'spirit' out of
him. Now it has come back with a vengeance. They just released it,
rahter unwittingly, of course. Now they have to deal with it. :)
Should be interesting. They already 'killed' the horror in the kaer.
Actually just an incredibly good illusion. I'm looking forward to a
summer of terror. :)
If anybody else has any really good ideas about what to do to them,
please share. :)
-Court
/* Court Schuett, a totally modern boy.
schuett@*****.ivcc.edu
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The bells are pealing
And they're revealing
The simple key to happiness
It isn't evil it isn't good it's only
What the bells possess
The bells explain what they've been missing all along
They were disorganized and that was what was wrong
And now they know
The way to go:
The bells are ringing, they hear the sound
-They Might Be Giants
*******************************************************************************/
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 18:31:45 -0400
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SPOILERS FOR MIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!
!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!
!
!!
!
!!
!!
!
!!
!
!
Thirty Lines for Spike!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> I'm looking forward to a summer of terror. :) If anybody else has any
>really good ideas about what to do to them, please share. :)
>
> Hmmm, you raise an interesting point there on my 'slipping thru the
>cracks' and hanging around once they'r e here. That fit's with the whole
>'[.01 delet by sysop] the Enemy are trying to build in Harlequin's Back. I'm
>reconsidering it.
> Looking for ideas to torture you players? How cruel! How juvenile! How
>much info do you want to make their lives REALLY miserable!!!
>
>GaRGiRe@*^@&#^@#&^@ the Unspeakable (Really!), Evil GM, Taxidermist, Notary
>Public.
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 18:32:45 -0700
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> A Manaball, or any Area of Effect Combat Magic, does NOT ground into all the
> auras that are within the potential area of effect. It only grounds into a
> single target, then blossoms inversely (outward in) into manifestation
> afterwards. Thus, if you hit the guy with a Body of 4 with a Powerball, gain
> 6 successes, and there are three targets with higher body in that area, they
> they are resisting the spell based upon the 6 successes, and not upon their
> own attributes.
Erm. Bad things happen from this. Target the powerball at the Elf Mage
(body 1) and the Troll really sucks it in. Or worse, target it into the
microbe (body: fractional) and watch ever'body keel on over.
I think it's been explained that you take the dice rolled by the mage
and compare it individually to each target (er, subject.. each affected
person, let's leace it at that).
Mage rolls 3, 3, 6, 11:
Guy with (Att) 3 resists v. 4 successes
Troll with (Att) 8 resists v. 1 success.
I've always pictured manaballs as having an Akira effect: This (x,y,z)
area No Longer Exists.
> At least that is how it's been interpreted by the people here...(shrug).
> -Keith
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 22:20:44 GMT
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From: "Shadowrun ML demon <shadowrn-ml@*******.hanse.de>"
<shadowrn-ml@*******.HANSE.DE>
Organization: Nightmare on Coin Street
Subject: Re: Physical Adept Powers
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Aaron Jones <aaronj@******.COM> writes:
> With the recent posts about physical adepts (and me playing my
> first), I was wondering what (if any) new powers other people had come up
> with. Any takers?
You might check out our (still uncomplete) set of houserules we put on
the net under:
http://porter.desy.de/~greve/houserules/
or (if the direct access doesn't work) via my homepage (address in
signature). We got some new PhysAd powers there. Mostly from the PA
Handybook that was kinda outdated by the Awakenings plus the abilities
in the PA handybook were either vastly overpowered or too cheap,
usually.
You can also find a gzipped postscript version on my page in case you
like hardcopies... ;-)
Later,
Georg
- --
Georg C. F. Greve <greve@*******.hanse.de>
http://porter.desy.de/~greve/
"People who fight may lose. People who do not
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 15:30:01 -0700
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GRANITE wrote:
>
> >...... Anyway, it's true I
> > mean look at the word "bitch" it has been slang for awhile, but it
> > really isn't a big deal anymore,.......... Once it makes it
> > to TV it's just not offensive anymore durnit!!!
>
> If ya think so..try and say it to my wife..But I advise you to
> duck..quickly..And then running would probably also be good advice..
> :)
I'll jot that down. :)
BTW Granite when I select reply to author on your mails from the list
they default to your personal address. Other's don't however. Maybe
i'm the only one, but I thought that I would point it out.
Caric
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 17:04:45 +0000
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From: VÆL <ltwiss@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Net Books Locations
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If memory serves correctly, Spike wrote:
> |
> |Where are the net books located at??
> |And is there a list of them??
>
> If you wait a while, and read peoples .sigs, most of the URLs are in
> there....
>
> Pay particular attention to Gurths sig....
Maybe it's the way I'm reading the above... but it would seem as
though you are feeling a bit snippy today, aren't you Spike? <g>
In short form:
Location to start finding SR Net Books
http://www.interware.it/shadowrun
Look under the link: NERPS
As for a list of Net books:
Paolo has the best archive on the net. (IMHO)
Vael
"One of the most terrible moments in a boy's life, is when he discovers
his father and mother are human beings who share a love that he
can never quite taste. It's a loss, an awakening to the fact that
the world is there and here and we are in it alone.
The moment carries it's own truth; you can't evade it."
- Duke Paul-Muad'Dib Atreides
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If memory serves correctly, Steven A. Tinner wrote:
> Maybe Steve K, or Mike could better answer this question, but ... Does
> anyone know
>
> A - Who took those cool photos that are in the Seattle and London
> Sourcebooks?
> B - Why (aside from price) FASA stopped using photos in their books?
>
> I always like them, but being a photo minor in college, that's to be
> expected. ;-)
I, personally, thought they looked a bit hoakie. I mean come on, what
is with the maid's uniform on the restaurant hostess lady? Or the
plastic lumps on the "ork's" face?
I look at the photo's and laugh. Sorry, but I really do. Of all the
art work done by FASA the material I have spent the least amount of
time looking at is the RL photos.
But then again, I hate, and I do mean hate, live action RPing. When I
look at those photo's I instantly think: convention costumes.
Hoakie. <smile>
Vael
"One of the most terrible moments in a boy's life, is when he discovers
his father and mother are human beings who share a love that he
can never quite taste. It's a loss, an awakening to the fact that
the world is there and here and we are in it alone.
The moment carries it's own truth; you can't evade it."
- Duke Paul-Muad'Dib Atreides
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 19:41:32 -0400
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I just had an idea for a Shadowrun for media type characters, as
presented under the alternatives in the Shadowrun Companion book.
After having just sat thru a marathon with a bunch of friends,
watching Full Metal Jacket, Braveheart, and Apocalypse Now, and Forrest
Gump (hey, we needed something to keep us from killing ourselves :-), it
gave me that oh so gentle reminder of how crazy war REALLY is.
A good friend of mine was an Airboure Ranger, and some of the
SNAFUs he tell me about when he was in the service, have me almost
ROFLOL in shocked horror! (No, NOT you! <beats astral critter back with
stick>).
Anyway, since war up until now is really just a 'controlled' bunch
of insanity, how much more so would it be like where you have large
armies of corporate mercenaries, slugging it out, not over food, or
territory, or racial disputes or religion, but over RATINGS, and who can
field the better weponry, to better annilate the enemy. (<looks to side>
Don't start! <hears whimper in background>)
The media characters could be covering the war from the POV of the
soldiers who actually have to duke it out in this insanity, while their
corporate masters sit thousands of miles away, drinking mint julips,
congratulating themselves on another business coup. They'd be facing all
the danger and the excitement (?) as they travel with their asigned
platoon, trying to put a human spin on a very inhuman set of
circumstances.
It could also be used to incorporate Army or Marine type
characters, maybe evn Spec Forces, like the Ares FIre Strike Teams, or
Saader Krupps' bad boys. They'd have to bleep out any personal
identities or facts, but that's easy enough. Think of the Squad leader,
whose suddenly saddled with these telejournalists by his corporate
superiors. And the grunts themselves. How do they react to these
'non-combatants'?
And what kind of ho...terrible things would they encounter in the
course of the mission, when you have men (and women) running around,
trying to kill each other in pursuit of an illusitory goal out in the
middle of nowhere? Man isn't all that removed from total savagedry, and
it only takes a little push to knock some people over the edge. Who
knows, some of the atrocities they meet up with may even be perpetrated
by their own group!
Interrogations conducted on captured personnel, by pushing them,
one at a time, out of a flying helecopter? Drumhead trials; battlefield
justice. 'Friendly' Fire?
And what about those indigenous peoples caught up in all the
confilct. You can't convince me that in places like the Middle East,
where some of these peoples have lived for thousands of years, were ALL
evacuated so a couple of corps can have a clear playground?
Okay, enough ranting from me. It jsut always bothered me that these
'Corporate Wars' that keep popping up in game book references are never
explained fully, and seemed mostly a pointless excuse in Whose Got A
Bigger 'Credstick'. Just my spin on things. I'm audi.
Kohl
Joker: How can you shoot women and children?
Gunner: Easy...you don't lead 'em as much.
--from the movie, Full Metal Jacket
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> I'll jot that down. :)
Put it under rules to -live- by ;)
> BTW Granite when I select reply to author on your mails from the list
> they default to your personal address.
I have been haveing a bit of the same problem..it isn't me it is the
list..Occasionally this starts happening..I havent changed anything
in the way I post for...Hmm..At least 6 months..probably a lot
longer..
> Other's don't however.
I got the same thing from your message..And several others..
Maybe
> i'm the only one, but I thought that I would point it out.
Thanks..
--------------------------------GRANITE
"Rock Steady"
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Lord, Grant Me The Serenity To Accept The Things I Cannot Change,
The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
Because They Pissed Me Off.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ShadowRunner's Serenity Prayer
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 19:50:27 EDT
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From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Living material links
On Mon, 14 Jul 1997 12:11:22 EDT Tim Cooper <z-i-m@****.COM> writes:
>And of course the last novel shows that it, the sacrifice, doesn't
>always have to be LITERAL.
Careful there. I've only read the first one:)
--
-Canthros
I had rather believe all the fables in the legends and the Talmud
and the Alcoran, than that this universal frame is without a mind.
--Francis Bacon
http://members.aol.com/canthros1
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 19:50:28 EDT
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From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: I'd like to know ...
On Mon, 14 Jul 1997 17:11:16 MEZ-1MESZ HAUPT ULRICH FB08
<sandman@****.uni-oldenburg.de> writes:
>Hello !
>
>I have thought about some questions which I would like
>to have answered. Maybe some of them are considerable
>to the third edition SR3!
>
>1) Watchers have a base time of 120 minutes to find
>people, (IMO: astrally) known by the summoner. A
>sorcerer travelling astrally has just the role playing
>chance to find someone. And now for the question ...
>Are watchers better at finding people than his master ?
Yes, they are. The watcher *lives* in the etheric plane, it is made up of
the very energies of which the astral consists. In effect, the wather has
the home court advantage (even if he isn't very bright:)
>2) How long does initiation take ?
>I think it should take at least 1 day per grade if
>no quests are wanted.
Actually, in my mind, that depends more on the individual. I just sent
this off to one of my players the other night (please ignore what may be
a slightly condescending tone, the player this was addressed to has a bad
habit of not spelling much of anything even close to right:)
---
You get to be an initiate (pronounced e-ni-she-it) by initiating (long a
sound this time:) Initiating is a special deal for magicians that a)
grants them access to big time magic and b) increases their Magic
Attribute. You initiate by undergoing certain rituals (usually a sort of
introspective self-exploration type thing) and spending a buttload of
Karma;) Ever had one of those moments where you're stuck, can't see the
way out, then suddenly everything just sorta clicks and it all makes
sense? Suddenly, the way out is clearer than anything you've ever seen,
and all that's changed is your point of view. That kind of thing is what
happens in an initiation. You're maxed out, then the initiatory
experience happens and everything is opened up to a whole new level, and
all that's changed at all is your point of view, except that know there's
a whole new list of options open to you. It's a neat deal:)
---
IMO, the initiation itself takes no time at all, it's the sudden changing
of viewpoint, that moment where everything just, well, 'clicks' and
becomes crystal clear. Imaging tackling with a problem from a certain
point of view, suddenly you experience a shifting of your viewpoint, and
the solution becomes clear. That single moment (when you actually
initiate) takes no perceivable amount of time. It's the introspection,
meditation and ritual you spend getting to that point that takes time.
>3) In my opinion the damage from falling is too harmless!
>One Character jumped out of a window and missed the rope.
>So he was falling 14 Meters (ca.42 ft) down on the street.
>He had to resist 6T (7T-halve impact armor) and got only
>medium damage. I think there should be at least some
>broken bones if falling such distances! I suggest the power
>should no be halve hight in Meters. Better take just the
>hight itself!
>What do you think ?
I don't know, where's the rule in question located (FoF?)?
>4) When does the bonding from a focus break ? A thief
>stole two spell locks and a force 2 power focus. I
>could not find a rule what exactly must happen to break
>the bonding! Is it enough to seperate the focus (what
>distance?) from the wizard or be there be something
>magical?
Well, the focus goes inactive as soon as it leaves the hands/person of
the owner (the person the focus is bonded to). The only way you can
actually lose the bonding itself, however, is a) for it to be overcome in
astral combat (ala grounding) or b) for someone else to invest Karma in
bonding the focus. The appropriate texts are pg. 137 (Bonding) and pg.
139 (Grounding Through Foci) of the BBB.
>5) If the bonding was not broken shouldn't it be very
>simple for the sorcerer to track the astral trace back ?
>How does a hermetic circle or ward disturb the astral
>line ? Any ideas ?
Well, the caster can send a watcher to find the item, but it will stopped
by a ward, or a hermetic circle (if in use) or a medicine lodge. Seems
like I remember that a focus can be used as a material link in ritual
sorcery, but can't find the reference anywhere. Is this a house rule I
saw on the list, or could someone please give me the page reference for
it?
>6) And now for something completely different ;-)
>Which modifiers conzern an attacker shooting out of a
>driving car shooting someone running from it ?
>(A Chrysler-Nissan Patrol-One driving at 25 mph through
>a park hunting the _poor_ shaddow runners running away!)
I'd say probably just the Attacker running modifier (Target Running maybe
also, GM's discretion)
>7) I found in VRII that the damage codes have the following effect:
>L - 1 box
>M - 2 boxes
>S - 3 boxes
>T - 6 boxes
For those wondering, that's in the section on icon damage, specifically
the condition monitor table (page 124) of VR2 (my copy, anyway). I seem
to have a first printing (at least, I can't find a printing number
[though I can't find one on my copy of Grimmy, either, and I know it's
not first printing]). In any case, could someone with a later printing
check their copy?
>Is it a printing error or didn't I got the idea ? (I'm sure you
>have disussed this earlier, haven't you ? )
I don't know. If we've talked about it before, I missed it, and the same
thing appears in my copy, too.
>thank you for your effords of answering me !
Don't mention it:)
--
-Canthros
I had rather believe all the fables in the legends and the Talmud
and the Alcoran, than that this universal frame is without a mind.
--Francis Bacon
http://members.aol.com/canthros1
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From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Changing the System (Was [SR3] Magical Magic)
On Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:56:05 -0500 "Bruce H. Nagel"
<NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU> writes:
<snip>
>Obviously the Drain CAtegory +1 modifiers aren't enough.
>Damage Staging 1 should prolly be +2 Drain category or +1 Drain and +X
>Drain
>Target # to resist. This makes it harder to just shrug off that
>Deadly Drain.
Here's what I'd use, if I were to decide to allow a spell designer to
alter the staging involved in the spell:
Staging for Drain or Beneficial Spell Effects (Heal, Combat Sense, etc)
1 +2DL
2 -
3 -1DL
Staging for Damaging/Detrimental Spell Effects (Control Thoughts, Mana
Bolt, etc, etc)
1 -1DL
2 -
3 +2DL
This all assumes that the caster's staging for the spell effect remains
2. The Effect Staging modifiers also would not apply that way to
beneficial spells, only to damaging ones.
--
-Canthros
I had rather believe all the fables in the legends and the Talmud
and the Alcoran, than that this universal frame is without a mind.
--Francis Bacon
http://members.aol.com/canthros1
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From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Area of Effect Spells and Astral Targeting
On Mon, 14 Jul 1997 12:24:45 -0500 "Bruce H. Nagel"
<NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU> writes:
<snipping myself>
<<Actually, it states that you cannot target someone by seeing a bit of
their aura around a corner, for instance.>>
Well, the target must be within the caster's LOS (and partial cover
modifiers apply, lighting mods wouldn't necessarily on the Astral). So
long as you can see enough of them to hit them with a gun (skill and
lighting aside:), you can target them with a spell.
<<I've been informed of a change in this in a later printing of the BBB
which does allow astral sight to target without the need for physical
sight.>>
My copy's 11th printing, what's yours?
<<No, I'm not kidding. Even being informed that assensing can be used to
target otherwise invisible opponents can make sense to me. What is so
confusing? I think people get confused with this system when they start
bringing their own assumptions to it, or draw conclusions out too far.
Certainly a few points (grounding, though once I read the sections and
understood it, I don't have a problem making rulings on this myself)
confuse people but for the most part it's clear.>>
The problem is that if the book were laid out _that_ clearly, no-one
would have these problems:) And, as *I* read the section of book
pertinent to this discussion (Spell Targeting, p 130, SR2), Astral
Perception becomes a perfectly valid method for spell targeting, with the
restriction that the person must be able to see the target with their own
vision or an extension of that vision which does not technologically
enhance or alter the original image of the target. For that matter, I
always found that the way the Astral stuff is written up to be fairly
clear (all things have an astral reflection, this reflection behaves in
*most* respects as the object itself. Glass is transparent and can be
assensed through, mirrors reflect, both the image of the person and the
astral image of the person's aura. A magnifying lens magnifies, even on
the astral. Why? Because that's what those objects do! :) However,
conctention exists, because some parts of the descriptions involved don't
make sense (like, inanimate objects' astral reflection is due to
reflected light? Hmmm, maybe reflected *elemental* light [like sunlight
or firelight]). Things need to be clarified, explained, and organized
(Why do I need to read three different sections of one book, plus
portions of another book, just to figure out spell targetting?).
Everything that's pertinent to a particular section should be included in
that section, which it isn't right now. I'd like to see that changed,
even if it means some information gets repeated (not an entirely bad
thing, since I was told that it can take hearing something 16 times
before a person *really* commits it to memory [gross generalization, I
only take about 3 or 4, 5 or 6 at most, usually:) ]).
--
-Canthros (did I rambel enough? :)
I had rather believe all the fables in the legends and the Talmud
and the Alcoran, than that this universal frame is without a mind.
--Francis Bacon
http://members.aol.com/canthros1
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From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Astral Targeting <warning-grounding involved>
On Mon, 14 Jul 1997 12:30:04 -0500 "Bruce H. Nagel"
<NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU> writes:
<<My take on spell targeting prior to hearing of the correction in the
3rd printing was this: All spells need a 'bridge' from astral to the
physical to affect the target.>>
With you so far...
<<In grounding, an active focus provides this astral-to-physical
bridge.>>
Still with you:)
<<Otherwise, something must provide it. In the case of my previous
understanding, wherein physical sight (not assensing) could provide this,
allowing the spell to travel to the target's aura and ground from it into
their physical form (doing damage or what-have-you).>>
Okay, now our opinions diverge:) I've always figured spells ground into
the auras of astrally inactive auras (like that of a mundane or inaminate
object) by traveling through a sort of 'limbo' somewhere between the
etheric and mundane planes. On further thought, this doesn't quite work,
but...
<<Something needed to provide this bridge. Now, if they reversed
themselves in the 3rd printing and decided that assensing *could* target
a spell for a target you could not physically see, well... Now there is
a gap.>>
I'm still not sure what you mean. The book doesn't say that you can
target something you can't see (except indirectly in the case of
area-effect Manipulations), but it does say you cannot directly target a
person that you cannot see, because you cannot 'see' their aura to synch
with it. The caster has to have LOS to the target (and yes, glass and
mirrors, as well as partial cover modifiers, count). As I said in
another post, if you have enough LOS to aim a gun at them (or their
image, in the case of mirrors), you can target them with a spell. The
advantage of Astral Perceiving is being able to ignore lighting modifiers
(under normal circumstances).
<<What forms the 'bridge' here? Their astral-aura-to-body connection?
No, because if they are a mundane, or a magician lacking active foci, you
cannot cast spells on them from the astral, can you? An active focus on
them would allow you to, because it is a constant bridge. When astral
(assensing or projecting) you could only cast at astrally active targets
(spirits, foci, barriers, et cetera).>>
Warning!
Grounding Ahead!
Warning!
Not so, because you are still active on the physical plane while
perceiving, you're still receiving info from those senses, they've just
been shoved a bit out of the way in order to give the astral information
dominance. Spells seem to be a special case, because they require that
the caster have a presence on the same plane as the target of the spell,
not that the spell itself be active on the physical plane (were it that
way, you'd only be able to cast physical manipulations at mundanes and
inanimate objects). Spells seem to create their effect by manifesting in
a very specific way which releases that energy on the target according to
the caster's desires. The spell effect is produced by the transfer of a
spell's astral energy to the physical plane, resulting in a *temporarily*
dual-natured entity, which almost immediately afterward becomes
single-natured (extrapolating this from the description in the Grimoire).
Sustained spells create a similar effect, but they must (seemingly)
remain dual-natured so long as they are sustained. Also, the act of
spell-casting connects the auras of the casting magician and that of
his/her target(s). Presumably, one can ground through a sustained spell
(or a sustaining magician) by nature of this fact (you know, for the
first time in my life, I begin to see the logic behind that stance), and
grounding in this manner could also hit the target(s) of the spell, as
well as hitting the spell and magician sustaining it. The reason you
can't ground through a sustained spell:
The spell construct is the same as the spell itself, and the channel that
the magician opens up to funnel astral energy into it is part of the
spell. They are one and the same and it is never implied (IMO) that they
are separate distinct entities in astral space. And a spell cannot target
another spell (p 148, SR2). This is also the only reason I can think of
for not being able to ground through a sustained Manipulation
(Manipulations seem (to me) to be dual-natured by the description I read
on 150 of SR2). Note: manipulations require a physical presence in order
to be cast.
This most recent insight also explains to me why a magician suffers Drain
from casting a spell: it's not the channeling of astral energy through
his body, he doesn't channel astral energy through his body or you'd have
a sustaining magician suffer drain *every*turn*the*spell*is*sustained*.
The Drain is the result of the act of will involved in making the astral
energy do what you want, the act of making it work according to the
formula of the spell being cast.
<<This is why I thought the way I did, and would like an explanation if
someone has one handy, as to how a bridge for the spell is formed without
physical senses finding the target.>>
The magician's physical senses still need to be able to locate and obtain
LOS to the target, they just don't need to be the dominant set of senses.
Disclaimer: this post may inflame certain sensitivities. This is not
intentional. All opinions expressed in this post are, by no means, the
only way of interpreting the rules as they are written. The expressed
opinions are mine, and mine alone, and, while they may be shared by other
members of this mailing list, they are still an opinion, nothing more.
--
-Canthros (Wow! I think that's the most reasoned statement I've ever had
on this subject!)
I had rather believe all the fables in the legends and the Talmud
and the Alcoran, than that this universal frame is without a mind.
--Francis Bacon
http://members.aol.com/canthros1
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 20:22:13 EDT
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From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Net Books Locations
On Mon, 14 Jul 1997 16:14:31 -0500 Black Death <ddmaster@**.NET> writes:
>Where are the net books located at??
>And is there a list of them??
Easy question:)
hit
http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html
or just hit Paolo Marcucci's 'The Shadowrun Archive'
<http://www.interware.it/shadowrun>; and hit the NERPS and NAGEE links.
Also hit 'The Drekhead' on the The Shadowrun Webring
<http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1503/srring.html>; for a few more
net.sourcebooks. Anyone know of any net.books that I missed?
--
-Canthros
I had rather believe all the fables in the legends and the Talmud
and the Alcoran, than that this universal frame is without a mind.
--Francis Bacon
http://members.aol.com/canthros1
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 20:40:46 -0400
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> From: J. Keith Henry <Ereskanti@***.COM>
> Date: Monday, July 14, 1997 5:50 PM
> With the questioning of the horror attractions due to Blood Magic and the
> like, and the various opinions bouncing around like normal, could anyone
> really give a good summary (with light explanations) list of what types
of
> phenomenon in general attract "the Horrors."
> Good Blood Magic, Evil Blood Magic, it's all "en muerto magicke de
sanguine"
> (gods I hope I got that right).
Could someone please tell me where to find the rules for Good and Evil
blood magic? Private e-mail is fine, as I am sure the list hates this
question (among others). ;)
> -keith
Justin :)
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Subject: Re: Plot idea for a Media-based Shadowrun
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In article <c=US%a=_%pÞSHAW%l=MSBOSTON1-970714234132Z-8238@*********.b
oston.deshaw.com>, "Fisher, Victor" <Victor-Fisher@******.COM> rambled
on endlessly about Plot idea for a Media-based Shadowrun
<snip>
> The media characters could be covering the war from the POV of the
>soldiers who actually have to duke it out in this insanity, while their
>corporate masters sit thousands of miles away, drinking mint julips,
>congratulating themselves on another business coup. They'd be facing all
>the danger and the excitement (?) as they travel with their asigned
>platoon, trying to put a human spin on a very inhuman set of
>circumstances.
<bigger snip>
Some time ago, during the Hollywood fascination with "anti-war" films a
very good movie was produced and released under the title Charlie Mo-
Pic, I'm not sure what it was released as in the states, and as it's
been several years since I've seen it, I can't remember the director,
sorry. However, it gives an excellent view of the Vietnam war from the
pov of a documentary cameraman filming with a group of grunts. Some
very good character study, and although you only see "Charlie" once, the
camera "eye" was well done, and might go a long way to assisting in the
appearance of this type of scenario. It would be difficult to run, and
would require some considerable creativity on the parts of the "media"
player(s), it might however, make for interesting reading.
One way I got round the problem of players running media personalities,
was to make them submit articles for a newspaper I was producing for the
game, it encouraged them to research the game world, and concentrate on
events that occured. A couple of the articles were very well done, but
with a recent change of players, the newspaper has been temporarily
dropped. Media are possibly the hardest of the shadowrun character
types to run and design for, as everything depends on ratings,
sensationalism and dramatics. However, if done right, and it takes a
little practice, it can be great fun. In fact we've got a journalist
character about to join the group, so I will be interested to see how
that develops. If nothing else, it should add some paranoia to the team
when they see their runs reported accurately in the gutter press <g> No
names of course :)
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