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On 22 Jul 97 at 8:37, Lady Jestyr wrote:

> I know this thread has been covered many times before, so replies
> can go by private email...
>
> What movies would everyone recommend for Shadowrun? And what's
> "Shadowrunny" (ew!) about them?

Usual Suspects is a good "Shadowrunny" movie, which gave me lots of
PC and NPC ideas. I also like Sneakers, and Heat, mentioned
previously, which both show the merits of good planning.
For an exaggerated idea of what can go wrong with a looney in your
group, see Resevoir Dogs. :)
Blade Runner, Johnny Mnemonic and Strange Days are good movies for
atmosphere.
Also, Grosse Pointe Blank and Seven Heads In A Duffle Bag are
interesting. :)

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 21:30:16 -0400
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From: "M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)

Greetings!!!

I strongely suggest "The Usual Suspects". Very shadowish, without the tech.

The scene where the team is assembled reminded me of how I put my team
together.

Trust me, you'll love it.

-Bandit
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 04:01:39 +0000
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From: "Mike (Leszek Karlik)" <trrkt@******.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] EuroGenCon
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Hmmm...

> > Hey Gurth! Where IS EuroGencon?????
>
> Loughborough (sp?) University. When I looked it up on the map, it appears
> to be a bit below Nottingham. I'll definitely be there for four days
> (28-31 August), but I was wondering who else from this list is planning to
> go.

Is Nottingham near London (I doubt it.)? 'Cause in August I'm in
England, so maybe I'll go... Anyway, how much will it cost?


Mike (Leszek Karlik) - trrkt@******.com; http://www.wlkp.top.pl/~bear/mike
FL/GN Leszek/Raptor II/ISD Vanguard, (ISM) {IWATS-IIC} JH(Sith)/House Scholae Palatinae
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 04:01:39 +0000
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From: "Mike (Leszek Karlik)" <trrkt@******.COM>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
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Hmmm...

> The Professional: The old-hit-man-trying-to-quit story, but this one was
> really good. Starring Jean Reno, the evil helicopter pilot from Mission:
> Impossible.

Ahh... Leon... Actually, the evil helicopter pilot in Mission:
Impossible is the Leon professional, not the other way 'round (IMHO
The Professional was much better than M:I. It's a cult movie for some
of my pals...).

Also, while we're talking about Jean Reno, another Shadowrunnish
movie would be "Nikita" (there's an US remake, called "Nina", but
it's just a lousy ripoff, and without Jean Reno to boot). I realy
recommend it (and there's Victor the Cleaner, the prototype for Leon,
played by - you guessed it - Jean Reno).


Mike (Leszek Karlik) - trrkt@******.com; http://www.wlkp.top.pl/~bear/mike
FL/GN Leszek/Raptor II/ISD Vanguard, (ISM) {IWATS-IIC} JH(Sith)/House Scholae Palatinae
(Emperor's Hammer)
Trrkt - Verpine Scout/Sniper, New Republic Armed Forces.
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 22:28:58 -0400
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From: Justin Pinnow <vanyel@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
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> From: Mike (Leszek Karlik) <trrkt@******.COM>
> Date: Tuesday, July 22, 1997 12:01 AM

> Also, while we're talking about Jean Reno, another Shadowrunnish
> movie would be "Nikita" (there's an US remake, called "Nina", but
> it's just a lousy ripoff, and without Jean Reno to boot). I realy
> recommend it (and there's Victor the Cleaner, the prototype for Leon,
> played by - you guessed it - Jean Reno).

The US remake of "La Femme Nikita" was entitled "Point of No Return",
and
it starred Bridget Fonda in the role of Nikita. Unlike most folks, I
actually liked the remake quite a bit and felt it was well done. Also,
there is a series on the USA network on Monday nights at 10pm (Eastern
Standard Time) entitled "La Femme Nikita", starring Peta Wilson in the role
of Nikita. The series has Nikita being more geared to the moralistic side
of things, but that poses many interesting situations for her.

"La Femme Nikita" in any of its forms is good viewing for Shadowrun, IMO.

> Mike (Leszek Karlik) - trrkt@******.com;
http://www.wlkp.top.pl/~bear/mike

Justin :)
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 21:59:50 -0700
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From: Grill <frech@***.COM>
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Justin Pinnow wrote:
>
> > From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.DIALIX.COM.AU>
> <snip>
> > What movies would everyone recommend for Shadowrun? And what's
> > "Shadowrunny" (ew!) about them?
>

It depends upon the type of game your running...

> STRANGE DAYS is a good precurser to Shadowrun. <snip>
>
> SNEAKERS is based around a corporate infiltration <snip>
>
> BLADE RUNNER ....well, need I say more? <snip>
>
> JOHHNY NUEMONIC (sp?) covers some of the feel for the universe, as well as
> some of the hardware involved (cyberwear). <snip>

Good examples. I'm suprised that no one so far has mentioned "Grosse
Point Blank" :)
I can see it as a good model for a character trying to woo someone who
doesn't know the character is a shadowrunner. (And yes, my GM did this
to me before I saw the movie.) :)

Other movies that come to mind: "Aliens", "The Godfather" movies,
"The
Usual Suspects", "Last Man Standing" would be a great premise for a solo
run, "Pulp Fiction", "Reservoir Dogs", "El Mariachi",
"Desperado", and
any other movies which have been mentioned that I'm forgeting would be
good runs, or at least could be adapted for use as a run.

>
> That's all that come to mind at the moment.
>

Same here. :)

> Enjoy :)
>
> > Lady Jestyr
>
> Justin :)

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Ben Frech A.K.A. Grill the elfin shaman-Shadowrun-newbie-who-still-
hasn't-been-greeted-by-Bull :)
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 19:44:02 -0700
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From: Caric <caric@********.COM>
Organization: Liquid Karma
Subject: Re: (OT) Hello again, after a brief hiatus
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Mike (Leszek Karlik) wrote:
>
> Hmmm...
>
> > And now, for the BOT :]
>
> Hey! I did not get the auto-greet! What's that? Some discrimination,
> or what?!1
>
> <grin>

Damnit Spike...How many times do I have to put in a work order?

;)

Caric
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 23:03:43 -0400
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From: Jonathan Hurley <jhurley1@************.EDU>
Subject: Re: APDS Ammo

> Five, which is what the British Army does today for its 120mm rifled
> tank gun: put a slipping driving band on the sabot. It skids over the
> rifling rather than engaging in it, and so only a very slight spin
> (which helps the sabot to discard cleanly) is imparted to the
> projectile.

*That* was it. I knew I'd heard about something like that. Thank you.

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Jonathan Hurley (mailto:jhurley1@************.edu)
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 19:48:34 -0700
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From: Caric <caric@********.COM>
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Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
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Justin Pinnow wrote:
> > Also, while we're talking about Jean Reno, another Shadowrunnish
> > movie would be "Nikita" (there's an US remake, called
"Nina", but
> > it's just a lousy ripoff, and without Jean Reno to boot). I realy
> > recommend it (and there's Victor the Cleaner, the prototype for Leon,
> > played by - you guessed it - Jean Reno).
>
> The US remake of "La Femme Nikita" was entitled "Point of No
Return", and
> it starred Bridget Fonda in the role of Nikita. Unlike most folks, I
> actually liked the remake quite a bit and felt it was well done. Also,
> there is a series on the USA network on Monday nights at 10pm (Eastern
> Standard Time) entitled "La Femme Nikita", starring Peta Wilson in the role
> of Nikita. The series has Nikita being more geared to the moralistic side
> of things, but that poses many interesting situations for her.
>
> "La Femme Nikita" in any of its forms is good viewing for Shadowrun, IMO.

I agree "La Femme Nikita," is great...hmmmm maybe i'll make a "Bob"
contact. Anyway as far as "Point of No Return," it was an amazingly
close remake anf I enjoyed it. I expected it to be much more
"americanized" then it was. Basically I would say that they are close
enough to decide on just whether or not you wanted subtitles...unless of
course you speak french.

Caric
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 03:35:06 +0100
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From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: [Sorta OT] A new game and advice
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In article <3.0.16.19970721204754.2da71078@*****.com>, Bull
<chaos@*****.COM> rambled on endlessly about [Sorta OT] A new game and
advice

<big snip>
>Anyways, here's the point of this post. What the hell do I do after that?
>It's been far too long since i ran AD&D, and more importantly, I want to
>eventually ween these players into more of a roleplaying atmosphere
>eventually. How would you suggest doing this? What would you do in a
>situation like this (Other than try to convice them to play SR. Maybe
>after the card game comes out I can transfer them from Magic, to SR CCG,
>then to SR RPG, but until them, this is what they want to play, and it's
>either this or play cards again...:)).

If you want to convert them from AD&D to SR, it's a relatively simple
process. I managed to convert three AD&D die hards that had no interest
at all in anything with even a slight SF inclination by telling them
Shadowrun ws AD&D with guns. After a while they cottoned on that it
wasn't. but they were having so much fun AD&D sort of got left by the
wayside never to be touched again.

Otrherwise just tell them you want a break from fantasy and how do they
fancy doing something completely different, but similar. Most people
are willing to try things at least once.


>Anyways, thanks, and feel free to take this private e-mail if the list
>feels this isn;t an appropriate topic...;]


It's not, but then it's you, and you haven't been inapropriate for at
least 8 hours, so...

:)

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 20:22:18 -0700
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From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Zero-G Combat
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---"J. Keith Henry" wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-07-18 05:18:13 EDT, schuett@*****.IVCC.EDU
(Court
> Schuett) writes:
>
> > BTW, what is Zero-G fighting? Must have
> > missed that. Is that in the Missions adventures? Is that any
good?
>
> I apologize, as Zero-G and Blind Fighting (the skill) are stuff that
have
> been developed here in response by the characters wanting to
function better
> in every situation.

Possible spoilers for Harlequin (the original) below...

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OK, not that it may tie into waht you guys are talking about here. But
if you remember, there is a scene on a suborbital in the Harlequin
campaign that deals with a fight during Zero-G and the required tests
to deal with it. If you haven't seen it, you might want to check it
out.

Thought it might be of interest, anyways.

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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 13:55:13 +1000
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From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.DIALIX.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
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>
> The US remake of "La Femme Nikita" was entitled "Point of No
Return", and
> it starred Bridget Fonda in the role of Nikita. Unlike most folks, I
> actually liked the remake quite a bit and felt it was well done. Also,

Hmmm... I thought it was called "The Assassin"? That's certainly what
it's titled in Australia.


Lady Jestyr

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